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== Added Phong on self-made's? ==
Can anyone confirm it as being false or correct, that self-made items also got extra phong? Or does that only apply to community vanilla unlocks? [[User:Benvil|Benvil]] 19:20, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
:The community phongboost is only rigged up in the VMTs for a selection of the stock weapons. So no Self-Made will possess this effect unless the creator knew of the effect and rigged it up pre-contribute. ~~ Ath 19:42, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

== Create this page? ==

With info about Vintage and Unusual etc? {{n}}[[User:Smashman|<span class="bur">Smashman</span>]]<sub>&nbsp;([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> {{bur}} 23:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:{{c|Support}}: Never heard of Unusual, though. -[[User:The Neotank|<font color="#FF8C00">'''The Neotank'''</font>]]&nbsp;({{mod}}<small> | [[User talk:The Neotank|Talk]]</small>) [[File:User The Neotank Signeotank.jpg]] 23:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
::{{c}} [[Crate]]. {{n}}[[User:Smashman|<span class="bur">Smashman</span>]]<sub>&nbsp;([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> {{bur}} 23:55, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:{{c|Support}} I say yes. There are quite a few different types now of rarity. Normal, common, uncommon/rare, community, valve, vintage, "Mann Co crate purple rare", and "Mann Co crate ultra rare". A handy style table would be lovely. [[File:User Infi^ Infisig.png|60x60px|link=User:Infi^|Infi^]] {{adm}} 23:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

There are alot of players wanting to get rid of their rare hats now, possibly due to having traded alot to apprehend them for themselves, be on the lookout if you want to get them yourselves.<small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:FPSAndy|FPSAndy]] ([[User talk:FPSAndy|talk]]) • [[Special:Contributions/FPSAndy|contribs]]) </small>

== Unusual effects ==

Reminder to self, create table with the different effects possible. ([http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1461352]) --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 23:41, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
::There's a currently unused particle effect "Circling Skull". I just thought I'd like to point that out [[User:Nanosheep|(nanosheep_inc)]] 12:29, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

== Unusual Hats Gallery ==

As you can probably tell, we don't have many images and the images are poor quality. If anyone who has an Unusual hat could send me a link to a high-quality picture of their Unusual hat, they will be immortalized on the Wiki! (It's awesome, honest). 

Before sending me a picture, be sure to check the page to make sure a better image isn't already on there.

For effects that only surround the hat, a head-and-shoulders picture on a blank background would be best. Taunts are fine as long as they don't obscure the effect.

For effects that surround the player, a full-body picture at a slightly downward angle of the class is best. Again, taunts are fine, but please make sure the effect is visible in front and slightly to the side, to show that it circles the class.

Send me the link either here, on my userpage or by sending me a steam message --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 20:34, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
:I'll take a screencap of my Unusual hat. :) -- [[User:En_Ex|En Ex]] {{bur}}  <sub>([[User_talk:En_Ex|talk]])</sub> 07:02, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Do you think we could be ambitious enough to document every ''possible unusual hat combination'' and post its image here? [[User:Nanosheep|(nanosheep_inc)]] 14:21, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Anyone consider greatly beefing up the Unusual Hat Section? I mean dicussing clipping problems with certain effects, having a much greater selection of hats to view, which hats can and can't have unusual effects and so forth? I'm too much of a wiki noob to do it myself, but I can certainly assist as I have alot of knowledge about the hats themselves.--[[User:The Blueberry Villain|The Blueberry Villain]] 18:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
:No, because that's not what this article is about. Quality is only meant to describe the actual quality itself, not the items it's attached to. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 20:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

== Random leveled weapons? ==

Perhaps a note about random leveled weapons. eg Period when they dropped, what they are etc...
--[[User:Riz|Riz]] 14:41, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:While they are rare, they don't have a unique item quality. The information on randomly leveled items can be found [[Item levels|here]]. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 14:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Can we get the effect's code numbers back? ==

When looking at someone's backpack on tf2items or other backpack examiners all you see is the number of the effect, not any sort of descriptor. I used to come here to find what the effect actually was, but suddenly it's just a number, not the actual code. (also, why does it start at 6?)<small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:FPSAndy|FPSAndy]] ([[User talk:FPSAndy|talk]]) • [[Special:Contributions/FPSAndy|contribs]]) </small>
:When I look on TF2Items, TF2B or OPTF2 I see the effect's name, not a number.  And the article does list the effects and their numbers, so I'm not sure what your comment is about.-[[User:RJackson|<span style="background-color:#FF0000;color:white;font-size:0.7em;padding: 0 2px;">RJ</span>]]{{mod}} 13:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

== Unusual Amount. ==

There are 63 Possible hats at the moment that can have Unusual Effects. Hatless and Ol' Snaggletooth are not 'Unusual Able'. There are also 14 effects currently in the game. I've corrected the number accordingly.
6*14=882
[[User:Spar13|Spar13]] 22:24, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

:Can we get a list of which hats are 'Unusual Able'? [[User:AileTheAlien|AileTheAlien]] 26:00, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:: anything but the Hatless and Ol' Snagletooth --[[User:Iaindude|Iaindude]] 11:14, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually, snaggle can be unusual.  Here's one pack that has one: http://tf2b.com/?id=76561198005260624 [[User:Weebletns|Weebletns]] 03:05, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Rare/Common/Normal Weapons ==

There are variants of developers weapons with rarity like "Rare", "Common" and "Normal" - should they be added here too? Should the [[Developer weapons]] page be merged with this page? [[User:BarnabasHale|BarnabasHale]] 11:08, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

==Standard Items section==
This section in regards to the quality + use of nametags is technically incorrect. The Items now viewable as part of the name-tag system are already assigned unique quality and are discrete items with their own definition indicies, aka "upgradable" weapons. "Standard" items (retaining their original quality) are still not present in backpacks.
Should this distinction be made, or would it be considered too technical for the purview of the article? [[User:Ath|Ath]] 22:15, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
: No, I agree completely and didn't notice this before. Thanks. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User:Lagg]] 12:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Failure" Crafting Two Unusuals... ==

I think it should state that any two unusuals crafted together yeild a Normal hat not an Unusual vice-versa with an unusual batters as its used with two bonks. [[User:Gamecrazy009|Gamecrazy009]] 09:15, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

== Gallery? In my Unusuals? ==

Should we keep adding Pictures of other unusuals not listed? or just the effects, ive got two friends with Bonk Helm Confetti and pananma energy :l [[User:Gamecrazy009|Gamecrazy009]] 21:51, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
:We have a picture of every effect. Don't think we need 896 pictures of every hat with every effect :P [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 22:05, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

== Unusual Hat Possibilities ==

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|beanie=yes
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|stash=yes
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|brain slug=yes
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|raincatcher=yes
|football helmet=yes
|ushanka=yes
|toque=yes
|hound dog=yes
|heavy duty rag=yes
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|cranium=yes
|mining light=yes
|ten gallon=yes
|hotrod=yes
|safe=yes
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|pickelhaube=yes
|tyrolean=yes
|mirror=yes
|gatsby=yes
|goggles=yes
|procedure mask=no
|trophy belt=yes
|panama=yes
|sola topi=yes
|bucket hat=yes
|yellow belt=yes
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|fedora=yes
|billycock=yes
|spy mullet=yes
|frenchmans beret=yes
|camera beard=no
|fez=yes
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So I thought it would be easier to keep track of which hats are 'unusual-able' and which are not in a table like this. Obtained means yes they can be found, unobtained means no they can't. From what I understand no unusual promo/misc/hatless hats can be found. The Horrific Headsplitter and Cadaver's Cranium I am not 100% sure about, but I see no reason logically why they can't be. As you can see, I believe there are currently 66 'unusual-able' hats. [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 19:22, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

:Impressive :D, but isnt the Texas Slim Unusual as well? ive seen someone with sunshine effect (lol) [[User:Gamecrazy009|Gamecrazy009]] 21:49, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
::I don't know I haven't seen an unusual hatless in game and I keep reading that they can't exist. I'd love to see some evidence otherwise. [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 23:42, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Trust me, they do not exist, I've been in the unusual trading game for a long time and I've never seen one in a trade window. There is a glitch that allows the effect to float over a players head without the hat, which may have lead to some of the confusion, but I can 100% guarantee there is no unusual hatless in the game. Just did a search on TF2TP for any unusual hatless and got nothing as well. I'll edit the article if necessary [[User:TheScoot|TheScoot]] 05:26, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
:Don't worry about it, that was a long time ago. We have a table [[Particle_effects#Checklist_of_possible_unusual_quality_hats|here]] now. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 05:28, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

== "Normal" items is incorrect ==
As we've seen ingame, in the backpack, "normal" items are called "stock" items. Given that that is a fact, should we change that bit of article to reflect this? [[User:TomReeds|TomReeds]] 01:12, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:I see your point but the first line of the 'Normal' section states 'Normal items are also called 'stock' items.' [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 01:15, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
: Calling them Normal is correct and this will not be changed. Internally the quality for normal/stock items is localized to "Normal", you simply don't see it in game. See http://optf2.com/item/from_schema/1 -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 01:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== What about not used types? ==
Sorry for my english, but what about "Rare" and "Common" rarity? (http://www.tf2items.com/id/jlesamiz?time=1256873790 ).
Will it mention in article? [[User:Darmarok|Darmarok]] 09:22, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
: This page is about qualities, and I believe what you are referring to as Common and Rare are already described under different names. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 09:27, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, Common and Rare were separate from Unique and Unusual and all that. Though they never seem to end up outside of Valve employees or the like. Usually had absurd stats, much like the Valve quality weapons, when they were first spotted. --[[User:Vaught|<span style="text-shadow:pink 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="	#FFA6C9"><tt><big>'''Vaught'''</big></tt></font>]]</span> 09:33, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::: I'm aware of that, but they are no longer in any of the localization files or the schema because they've been replaced by the normal and Valve qualities. There's no reason to document them if they no longer exist. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 09:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::: For history, maybe? [[User:Darmarok|Darmarok]] 10:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::They're removed now? Shame, would've been nice to have a syringe gun that shot pee darts. Anyway, if anything, it's trivia material, though I'm unsure if others would agree on that.--[[User:Vaught|<span style="text-shadow:pink 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="	#FFA6C9"><tt><big>'''Vaught'''</big></tt></font>]]</span> 10:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::: Attributes aren't necessarily related to quality, but yes it might be trivia material however I am rather protective of this page so it may be best to wait for more input before adding a trivia section. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 10:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::: We don't know what the future may hold, these qualities could easily be reused for other purposes at a later date. Better to leave them out until such time as they actually have use in-game if you ask me. [[User:Ath|Ath]] 11:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::: If they are used for other purposes they won't have the same meaning they had before they were removed. So there's no reason to document them in either case. Keep in mind that the identifier for them being present in the schema doesn't mean that they're going to be used again. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 19:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== Crafting an Unusual hat ==
Will result in a Unique hat. [http://agg.optf2.com/unusual_confirmation.png Here] is confirmation from Robin. Do not remove the relevant line from the page again. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 01:18, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Hatless/Headsplitter can't be unusual? ==

I know I've seen an unusual Hatless Sniper, so I don't think this is true. There really wouldn't be a reason these 4 hats wouldn't be able to be unusual. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]]

== "Unique Items" ==

I'm not really grasping the whole, "Unique" thing. Are they ever called that in the game or the game files? It seems misleading because there is nothing unique about the unlocks, but unlocks would also be a misleading title because not all items are "unlocked". Any thoughts? [[User:TheScoot|TheScoot]] 05:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
: It's in the game files, and it's been that way since I believe the classless updated. <3 [[User:TheMedik|TheMedik]] 05:30, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
:: They're called Unique in the listing of different qualities in both items_game and GetSchema to differentiate them from "Normal" items. On a more speculative level, the unlocks are probably referred to as Unique as Valve were at some point planning variable-stat varients of Normal weapons - thus making the unlockables Unique amongst the rest. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 16:05, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
:::So they're only called that behind the scenes and never in the game? Then I think we should change it, since "ingame" names should be preferred and also because unique is a straight up false description of what they are. Though I have to admit I can't come up with a good one. Unlock would be better, but still not correct. --[[User:CruelCow|CruelCow]] {{sta}} <sup>([[User_talk:CruelCow|talk]])</sup> 16:15, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
:::: We won't be changing this. They are unique because each one has it's own ID. It's as simple as that. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 16:48, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
::::: I personally find the term "unique" to be counter-intuitive and misleading. There's nothing unique about them, they're the most common item quality in the game. They may be unique compared to normal weapons, but they're anything but unique compared to vintage or unusual items, or items of any other quality for that matter. Calling the most common item quality "unique" just seems... wrong. I think "regular" or something would be more fitting. [[User:Zoon-li|Zoon-li]] 16:37, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::: They're Unique because that is what that quality level is denoted as in Valve's item system. There is a reason why they're called Unique, but ultimately the reasoning behind the name is irrelevant. This article is technical in nature and thus should accurately reflect what is, not what should be. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 16:42, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

== List of Vintage Hats ==

We need a list of hats labeled as Vintage because I'm having trouble finding out how many there are in the game and what else do I have left do get. <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:DennoCoil|DennoCoil]] ([[User talk:DennoCoil|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/DennoCoil|contribs]]) </small>
: Most of the hats that existed before the mannconomy update became Vintage. I think it would be a bit redundant, especially considering some promotional items became Vintage due to a bug. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 01:36, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
:: This is something probably better achieved by tf2stats.net. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 02:35, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
::: I've checked throughout that site and it doesn't tell a damn thing.  I'm going to make a vintage list on this Wiki wether you like it or not.  [[User:DennoCoil|DennoCoil]] 18:48, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::: No you're not. I've already explained why there is no point in doing it. Please show some respect to your fellow editors. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 18:50, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::: I've looked over this Wiki and tried to comb through the patches, there's no LIST that says what items are Vintage and what aren't.  Even the individual hat sections don't have a tag saying wether they can be found Vintage with other players or not.  There's no reason not to have it.  [[User:DennoCoil|DennoCoil]] 18:56, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::: Because a list is redundant for the reasons given above. If there was a list it would most likely be incorrect since several items not intended to have a Vintage quality have it due to a bug. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 18:58, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::: That doesn't make since, just add a asterisk with a note saying that they were given Vintage quality due to a bug.  That's still not a good reason to not have one.  [[User:DennoCoil|DennoCoil]] 19:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::: In addition to the reasons above any item can have any quality. So if we were to make a list of items that can be vintage that list would contain every single item in TF2, and if we were to do that we might as well make the same list for Unique, Unusual, Valve, Community, and Self-Made items. Which would also contain every single item in TF2. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 19:04, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::: Like how one of your buddies above this post made a huge board of hats that determine which are unusual and which aren't?  Looks like an efficient system, just add different colored symbols to show which can have specific qualities and which aren't.  [[User:DennoCoil|DennoCoil]] 19:10, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::: Not sure what "buddy" you're referring to but I suspect you are referring to Moussekateer's Unusual hat table. That is for showing what hats can be unboxed from a crate with an unusual effect. It's completely different from your proposal. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 19:15, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::: It's similar, a list can be something similar to that.  It's small, compartmentalized, and it would use up less space than the main article here. [[User:DennoCoil|DennoCoil]] 19:18, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::: One problem is that the number of hats that cannot be made Vintage through normal means will continue to increase while the number of hats that could have been Vintage through normal means will remain stationary. A list like one that Mousse made would actually become counterintuitive because it'd just grow to show that more stuff CANNOT be of the Vintage quality. -- [[User:Psychopath|Psychopath]] [[File:User_Psychopath_avatar.png|16px|link=User_talk:Psychopath]] 19:20, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::: Then how about a smaller list JUST posting Vintage items? [[User:DennoCoil|DennoCoil]] 19:23, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: tf2stats provides a per-hat breakdown of quality distribution, if there is no Vintages listed then there is your answer. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 19:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::::: Sorry to add to an already incredibly lengthy discussion, but I don't see what harm there is in having a list of all items that can normally be vintage, with a note that any vintage item not on this list is caused by a glitch of some sort. Granted, it's not something extremely useful that everyone wants to know, but some people might be interested in it, and not everyone has been playing since before the Mann-conomy update and therefore knows which hats came before it and which came after. So is there any particular reason ''not'' to include an article with all items that can be vintage by normal means? [[User:Zoon-li|Zoon-li]] 02:10, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::The list can be found [[Distribution of Item Quality|here]] now, although it is still a WIP. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 02:12, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

== WTH with vintage status ==
http://www.tf2items.com/id/SSaaMM_
Vintage Lid and Max. How is it possible? [[User:Darmarok|Darmarok]] 06:44, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
: Easily. Any quality can be assigned to any item. In this case, the items in question will have been returned to the owner after it being scammed or deleted. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 19:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:: How it can be assigned? <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:Darmarok|Darmarok]] ([[User talk:Darmarok|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Darmarok|contribs]]) </small>
::: Look in items_game.txt for the item_quality field. Anything shown in the qualities block can be assigned to it, for example you can change item_quality to "unique" on the headtaker and it would appear as a unique item (yellow text) in game. Please remember to sign your talk page lines with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 12:21, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
::: It is also note-worthy to know that there have been documented cases of Steam support offering the service of adding "vintage" attributes to certain items upon the "reasonable" request of an item owner. This has been fixed as of last month, however, and all items granted back by steam support here after are of only the same attributes as before it was lost/claimed.[[User:Roninsmastermix|Roninsmastermix]] 19:28, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:::: Well when I contacted Steam Support about not receiving a Cheater's Lament during the Mannconomy Update ''(as I was active before & after it)'', I was hoping they'd accidentally assign it Vintage quality. Alas, that didn't happen so I guess Steam Support has smartened up abit and has begun making sure the items have their proper quality. [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 21:13, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Genuine Rarity color is... ==

Dun dun dun.....the former "rarity2", as seen [http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6938670/tf2_colours.png here on this image]. I just received both RIFT items and the rarity color is that army green, not black. [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 02:53, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
:We know, it's already on the article? '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 02:54, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
::Uhhh....according to my browser (Firefox), it's Black. Hence why I posted this. [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 02:55, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Odd. Try clearing your cache a few times? '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 02:56, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
::::There we go. Now it's the proper color. I wonder what Valve will do with color #1 and #4.... [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 02:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
::For heaven's sake, I wish they used the orange rarity3 color instead of this one! It's green! I hope no scams occur involving name tags and trying to pass off "genuine" items as community/self-made items[[User:HellJumper|HellJumper]] 05:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I don't think anyone owns a Self-made Sun-on-a-Stick or Sharpened Volcano Fragment, and those are the only Genuine Items currently in existence (The Hat may be Genuine Quality too) so don't shicherself over that. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 11:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

== Also, a question about Community/Self-Made rarity color. ==

While I'm here, I may as well ask this: Are we sure that Community/Self-Made is #70B031 ? I loaded [http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6938670/tf2_colours.png this image] up into Photoshop, and eyedropped the Community/Self-Made quality colors. The hex code I saw when I checked was not #70B031, but #70B04A. So which is the correct one? Is the hex code listed somewhere in a TF2 file somewhere, like perhaps items_game.txt? [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 03:33, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
:It looks like someone messed up. I recorded it as #70B04A [[User:Pilk/Colours|here]] and that is the correct colour in ClientScheme.res. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 03:40, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
::I've encountered this issue before, screencapping and sampling with an eyedropper will result in slightly raised values. Use ClientScheme.res for accurate values, and if you're going to be using CSS you can just use rgb() notation too so you don't have to worry about converting to hex. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 04:26, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

== Wait is it really true that when you trade Genuine quality items does it really revert to Unique quality? ==
I saw it said something about that but then it got taken off?--[[User:OrangeRob|Mann Co. Orange is awesome]] 04:08, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
: It's most likely not true, the person that originally added that note did not provide proof and I have read several reports to the contrary. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 04:11, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
::no. genuine items are permanent.even when u trade them [[User:Awesomesauce|~awesomesauce~]] 04:13, 4 February 2011 (UTC)AWESOMESAUCE
:::Yep, see the sitenotice up top. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 04:16, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

== Genuine ==

Do you think that there will be any more items with "genuine" quality --[[User:Iaindude|Iaindude]] 11:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

:[[Media:Sniper_domination10.wav|It's only gonna get worse, mate.]] [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 11:45, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

:Take it to the forums. Talk pages are for discussion about the articles in question. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:NVis|<span style="color:#202020;">nVis</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:NVis|<span style="font-size:smaller;color:#40beef;">(talk)</span>]] 11:48, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

:: All future promotional items will  be untradable until the promotional period ends. Seems logical to assume that the genuine quality will continue to function in the same way (ie preorder and get genuine until after period where you can craft it).--<span style="color:purple">'''''Focusknock'''''</span> 11:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== Customized weapons ==

the article states that "Customized" quality is unused. I did see a customized item the other day. It was on a server where valve employees play often so it might've been a valve employee, but still. Can somebody back this up somehow? I'll see if I can find the guy's backpack. '''[ATG] Lord Melchior''' [[Image:Painted Trophy Belt FF69B4.png|22px]] ([[User:Lord Melchior|userpage]]|[[User_Talk:Lord Melchior|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Lord Melchior|contributions]]) -- 11:22, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
: I remember this mod, it uses a few of the unused qualities to signify custom attributes and such. For future reference though despite the fact that some mods use these qualities does not make the mod itself worth of mention on the quality page. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 09:38, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

== Genuine items and their lack of tradability ==

Shouldn't the "untradeable until release" nature of genuine items be noted in the article somehow? I know that the "tradeable" flag is separate from "quality", but this seems to be a pattern we will see with future genuine items. [[User:Ailure|Ailure]] 10:51, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think that is the sort of information this article should be documenting, the sections should list how/when said quality was introduced, roughly what said quality is "used" for and traits unique to that quality. The non-tradability of the Shogun items for instance are also conferred to their Unique variants. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 16:37, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
:: I agree, as I said on [[Talk:Item quality distribution|this discussion]], this page is for documenting qualities themselves. Not the items they are attached to. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 16:47, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

== Numbering quality ==

Officially numbering has been added to [[Particle_effects#Unusual_effects|Unusual effects]] (on standard file items_game), but not added to the quality. I think it is worth adding --<b>[[User:Nik9990|<font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#008000">Nik9990</font>]]</b> <font FACE="Times New Roman" color="#808080">[[User_talk:Nik9990|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nik9990|Cont]]</font> 10:37, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
:Inclusion in another article isn't good reasoning; Quality index isn't useful to the vast majority of users and is not particularly relevant to the scope of this article. While the index could be useful in an article of technical nature, said article is currently only a work in progress and not yet public. I plan to include the Quality index there when it is complete. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 16:55, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

== Page Move ==

I notice this page is listed under "Item Quality" on the front page, and the article itself links to articles such as Item Levels; for consistency and readability I propose we move this page to [[Item Quality]]. Thoughts? ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 15:37, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:{{c|Disagree}} I don't see any point in this. It's a bit obvious the qualities are for items. {{n}} [[User:Cructo|{{tf2b|text=Cructo|size=15px}}]] <span style="font-size:10px"><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User_talk:Cructo|T]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[Special:Contributions/Cructo|C]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></span> 15:43, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:{{c|Agree}} Quality is a little too general.  Quality of what?  Rename page. [[User:AGlassOfMilk|AGlassOfMilk]] 17:42, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
:{{c|Agree}} Needs to be more Specific.Would be better to move it. [[User:Awesomesauce|THE3STOOGES]] 22:39, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
:{{c|Agree}} Yeah, I think this should be moved. [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 21:49, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
::Done, thanks guys! --{{User:Firestorm/sig}} 15:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

== Normal And Unique Quality Distribution Table Links ==

Should they be added?  --[[User:AGlassOfMilk|AGlassOfMilk]] 01:33, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
:No. {{n}}[[File:User_Ohyeahcrucz_Sig.png|20px|sub]] [[User:Ohyeahcrucz|<span style="text-shadow:blue 0px 0px 0px;font-size:13px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="blue">Ohyeahcrucz]]</font></span>  <span style="font-size:10px;font-weight:bold;font-family: helvetica"><font color="black"><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User_talk:Ohyeahcrucz|T]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[Special:Contributions/Ohyeahcrucz|C]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></font></span> 01:34, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
::Absolutely not. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 02:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
::: Why not? All the other sections have an item distribution link.  Why not Normal items?  --[[User:AGlassOfMilk|AGlassOfMilk]] 02:12, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
:::: Perhaps because it's obvious enough that every stock item has the Normal quality. {{n}}[[File:User_Ohyeahcrucz_Sig.png|20px|sub]] [[User:Ohyeahcrucz|<span style="text-shadow:blue 0px 0px 0px;font-size:13px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="blue">Ohyeahcrucz]]</font></span>  <span style="font-size:10px;font-weight:bold;font-family: helvetica"><font color="black"><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User_talk:Ohyeahcrucz|T]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[Special:Contributions/Ohyeahcrucz|C]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></font></span> 19:56, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::While obvious to the people that edit the wiki, what about everyone else?  --[[User:AGlassOfMilk|AGlassOfMilk]] 20:29, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::: Still painfully obvious. Not that anyone would care enough in the first place, seeing as Normal items don't exist outside of Valve. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 00:33, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::: Even if people don't know, the article already explains that all stock items have Normal quality. {{n}}[[File:User_Ohyeahcrucz_Sig.png|20px|sub]] [[User:Ohyeahcrucz|<span style="text-shadow:blue 0px 0px 0px;font-size:13px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="blue">Ohyeahcrucz]]</font></span>  <span style="font-size:10px;font-weight:bold;font-family: helvetica"><font color="black"><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User_talk:Ohyeahcrucz|T]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[Special:Contributions/Ohyeahcrucz|C]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></font></span> 00:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
: The matter appears to be resolved.  --[[User:AGlassOfMilk|AGlassOfMilk]] 22:13, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Color Code Numbers ==

hey i was wondering what is the "code number"s for the name of the items like Hue, Red, Green, Blue, Sat, Lum? Any idea? im more interested in the numbers for the genuine quality but the others would be good to know too.--[[User:Awesome Weegee|Awesome Weegee]] 19:04, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
:They're at the [[Quality#Item name colors|bottom of the page]]. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 19:08, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
::ahh ok thank you. i was trying to get the RGB numbers, but well that was what google was for.--[[User:Awesome Weegee|Awesome Weegee]] 19:18, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
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