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== Begin ==

Added basics, don't know what to do with availability, will be uploading all the bp icons for the different counters soon, thanks. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 18:02, 22 March 2012 (PDT)

Anyone know how you get these? If so, we need to add that. --[[User:Nmolby|Nmolby]] 18:09, 22 March 2012 (PDT)

Are you sure that it is found in crates 41 and 42? --[[User:Nmolby|Nmolby]] 18:21, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
:Through discussions I have seen so far on the schema side of things. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 18:22, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
::Ok, its better than unknown. --[[User:Nmolby|Nmolby]] 18:22, 22 March 2012 (PDT)

Anyone know if you can take a counter and put it on another item if it has already been used? Also, when you trade it, if it has to stay with the item, does the extra counter go to?? --[[User:Nmolby|Nmolby]] 18:27, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
::Another note, this item has no level, it doesn't even have the line in the item panel, not sure how to leave that line blank in the backpack panel template. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 07:10, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

It they are all uncrated, then why don't we just say the only way to get them is from uncrating? --[[User:Nmolby|Nmolby]] 14:08, 24 March 2012 (PDT)

== Origins ==

Hmm, this is very similar to the kill counter that was shown in Meet the Engineer. However, this is probably speculation. [[User:Upgrade|Upgrade]] 18:29, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
:It does look very similar and i think they based this on it. --[[User:Nmolby|Nmolby]] 18:32, 22 March 2012 (PDT)

== Use ==

Got a "heavies Killed" strange part, haven't actually used it but found out that a strange weapon can only have three parts added, meaning a weapon with two counters already, like a Strange Jag, can potentially have five counters total.[[User:Alioramus|Alioramus]] 01:13, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

== Gib counter ==

Does it go up if the dead player has a Bombinomicon in his loadout? [[User:Pwnator|Pwnator]] 01:42, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

== Main image ==

Why was the main icon changed to headshots? I kept it as the heavies killed one because that's the one used for Strange Part in the catalogue. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 03:37, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

== Permitted weapons section ==
I added a table with the permitted combinations. Right now this is based on guesswork and common sense, so it needs to be verified and updated.

Some things I'm not sure about:
* Can the `Buildings destroyed' be added to an Electro Sapper (since this already counts destroyed buildings)?
* Can a Wrench have a Gibs counter (a level three Sentry can Gib, but a wrench by itself can't)? Same for the other wrenches, obviously. On the whole, the Gib counter is the one that needs the most testing, I think. For instance: Any Eyelander kill is a gib kill, so the gib counter would simply match the `normal' counter. Right now, I've just taken the list from the [[Gibs]] page. (For the gibbing taunt kills, I've added the required weapons, such as the equalizer and gunslinger)
* I added the flamethrowers to the Headshot posibilities, as you can headshot with reflected huntsman arrows. These combos need to be verified though.
* Do the Mantreads cause damage to buildings the player lands on? Can't find this on the wiki. For now I've assumed they don't. (and thus can't have a buildings destroyed counter)
* I've assumed that the medigun assist counters are not applicable to these counters.

Also, right now, this is a long table, It might be an idea to change it to a matrix, with the Strange Parts on top and the complete list of strange weapons on the left, and checkmarks indicating the possible combinations. However, if Valve adds more parts, this may become unwieldy (I expect at least 8 more, personally) Any thoughts on this?

Regards, --[[User:Itsacon|Itsacon]] 03:45, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
:The sniper can have the headshot counter added to it. I just tried it in-game and I can add it. I would edit the table but I'm an idiot and don't want to break it Proof: [http://i.imgur.com/xNKe9.png] Note: the huntsman in the screenshot isn't strange [[User:Alfie|Alfie]] 16:55, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
:Extracted the data from the schema? There's some oddities with what counter can be used with what, as expected. And as some tables on the wiki are much wider, perhaps make there be 2 columns of attributes. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 04:00, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
:: No, I didn't extract the data (no idea how I'd do that, frankly, feel free to enlighten me!). This is just common sense (headshot counter only on weapons that can headshot, kill counters only on weapons that can kill, etc). Just thought that this was the kind of info I'd look for in the wiki, so thought I'd give is a start. --[[User:Itsacon|Itsacon]] 04:06, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
: Is this table really needed? The combinations that are obvious (e.g., Headshots + Sapper) are... just obvious. The combinations that are not, should be checked first, or at least somehow marked in the table. And btw, I also suggest to make this table a multilanguage template, as it should be up to date in all language pages.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <span style="font-size:10px"><sup>[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white; background:#5B885B;padding:0 2px;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 04:09, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
:: It might be common sense, but as far as I understood it, some weapons were oddly tagged/untagged with certain counters that didn't make sense. Also there are a lot of common sense tidbits of info already present on the wiki, still getting people asking what can be used with what. Also [http://git.optf2.com/schema-tracking/commit/?h=teamfortress2] you'd be looking at "tags" for each weapon in the early sections of that page. As far as I understand it the tags are above the weapon. There are a few blanket tages, like I assume can deal damage allows airborne, heavies and buildings. Not all the headshotting sniper rifles have the headshot tag yet. But haven't trawled through it all to 100% make sure yet. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]]
::: Ok thanks, I went through the schemas a bit, and it's much clearer now. Looks like four attributes were added: `can_deal_damage', `can_headshot', `can_reflect_projectiles' and `can_deal_gib_damage'. The Strange Parts check on one of those. However, it looks like some things are not set, and some `impossible' combinations are possible. Examples:
:::* Not every sniper rifle is set yet for headshots (Currently only the Huntsman, Ambassador and Machina)
::::* So headshots with reflections can't be counted.
:::* Heavy, building and airborne kills all use `can_deal_damage', so to answer my own questions: 
::::* The Mantreads `can_deal_damage', so can count airborne kills, even though I doubt this is technically possible in the game.
::::* The Sapper can't, so can't count destroyed buildings twice.
:::* None of the festive weapons currently have the flags, so none of the Parts can be used on them
:::Also interesting: the only weapons currently able to gib are the rocket, grenade and sticky launchers, the Ullapool Caber and the Apoco-Fists (even though the latter is not yet available as strange)
:::I've updated the list with these changes. --[[User:Itsacon|Itsacon]] 05:06, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
::::Just one more note, festive stranges take the attributes from the base items, because I can apply my airborne kills part to all my festive stranges except the medigun, as you would expect. Don't think they have specific entires for the festives. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 06:06, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
::::: Thanks for the info. I've updated the table. --[[User:Itsacon|Itsacon]] 06:29, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
Added a table like paint cans for these because I feel like a lot more will be on the way soon, just wondering if the part table should be made shorter and/or combinted with the usage restrictions table. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 07:01, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
: I think combining the two tables into something like the tables on the [[Tools]] page would be best. Icon + name first, usage permissions/restrictions second and then availability. --[[User:Itsacon|Itsacon]] 07:36, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
: Don't really think it would ever become available for purchase or drop. Everything strange-related seems to be related to crates only.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <span style="font-size:10px"><sup>[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white; background:#5B885B;padding:0 2px;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 07:50, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
:: Possibly, but you still need a way on the page to show which crates each specific part is in. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 07:58, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

The Sandman hasn't been added to the 'Can Reflect Projectiles' and the' Can Deal Posthumous Damage' sections. I'm not sure about the first, since iirc the Sandman can only reflect balls, but the Wrap Assassin (and other projectile weapons) are in the second section while the Sandman isn't.

Also, should the Manmelter be added to the 'Can Extinguish' section? I know there is no strange for it yet, but still..

[[User:YPchicken|YPchicken]] 04:20, 29 April 2012 (PDT) 

:Weapons should not be added to the table as everything there has been taken directly from the item schema. The item schema determines which parts can be used with what, not the item's actual technical abilities. So the Sandman cannot use reflects and Mannmelter cannot be used with the extingish part even if there was a strange right now. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 04:47, 29 April 2012 (PDT)

== Bugs ==

Has anyone tested if it is true that the Headshot counter can't be applied to a Sniper Rifle or Bazaar Bargain? If it's true, should we add a `bugs' section to this page? --[[User:Itsacon|Itsacon]] 08:17, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
:Headshot kills can be applied to a Sniper Rifle, don't know about the Bazaar though. -[[User:Late|Late]] 03:56, 18 January 2013 (PST)

== Reflect counter ==

I added this to my degreaser

'''Counts:'''
*rockets
*flares
*cow mangler shot
*balls

'''Does not count:'''
*stickybombs
*grenades
*jars
*sentry gun rockets

[[User:Alioramus|Alioramus]] 22:24, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

::This kind of info is good, should probably add an extra info column in the table for this data or add a notes section to the page, like with the strange page. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]]
:::Does anyone else think adding a page per strange part is a good idea? Given that we're likley to see more and each will have unique mechanics?[[User:Alioramus|Alioramus]] 17:12, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
::::Definitely. It's a good idea to get this kind of thing sorted out now, before everything's cluttered together on one page. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 17:14, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
:::::Not unless we start to get complex counters, otherwise it's just all watered down information which would be much better in one strong article covering it all. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 17:16, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
:::::Well, we should probably break this article down into sections, or improve the table. I'm think another column with "will add to counter" or something like that? [[User:Alioramus|Alioramus]] 17:19, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
::Scrutanized my results, I think it's only projectiles that have already bounced that don't count. I think we can assume all projectiles that can be reflected will count. [[User:Alioramus|Alioramus]] 18:51, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
::More testing! ''Jarate, stock grenades, and sticky bombs'' do '''not''' increase the counter. Cow mangler shots, wrap assassain and huntsman arrows all do. [[User:Alioramus|Alioramus]] 21:44, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
:::Neither do any other stickies. [[User:Alioramus|Alioramus]] 21:49, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
:::Mad Milk, neither. I was also able to verify that reflected reflected flares count, so I'm assuming all others do. [[User:Alioramus|Alioramus]] 22:13, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
:::And neither do Sentry gun rockets, suprisingly. [[User:Alioramus|Alioramus]] 22:23, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

== Buildings Destroyed ==

The table says that Sappers don't count Buildings destroyed. Why is that? Is it a bug, or has anyone confirmed this? [[User:GianAwesome|GianAwesome]] 17:48, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
: It seems like they would count, the game treats them like buildings for achievements. Where did we find that they don't? [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 17:49, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
::It says that the Strange Part that counts Buildings Destroyed can't be added to it, which is because it already counts Buildings Destroyed. It would be the same as if they added an Assist Part which wouldn't be attachable to a Medi Gun. [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] 18:15, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
:::Sappers are simply not tagged as items that <code>can_deal_damage</code>. If it was, you would also be able to put on the Heavies Killed part as well as the other two generic kill-related ones as it stands now. On a very related note: since Sappers are sort of building themselves, I wonder if a Wrench with the Buildings Destroyed part would count destroying Sappers. —&nbsp;[[User:C2Talon|C2Talon]]&nbsp;(<i>[[Special:Contributions/C2Talon|c]]</i>/<i>[[User_talk:C2Talon|t]]</i>) 18:39, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
:::: Oh, I read this backwards, I thought it was if sappers count towards the building destroyed counter, if it's used on a weapon that can destroy sappers (Engy melee or Homewrecker). [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 18:42, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
::: Now that you mention it, it makes sense. Why have 2 counters for the same thing? Problem solved then, thanks everyone ^^ [[User:GianAwesome|GianAwesome]] 19:42, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

If you COULD add it, yous should sap a building, THEN add the counter, so it would be one off, and confuse everyone! [[User:Zews|Zews]] 10:27, 14 April 2012 (PDT)

== Naming convention ==

So we have a page named "Strange Parts" that contains a section called "Parts" that has a table with a column named "Strange Parts" that showcase "Strange Parts". Methinks it's a little redundant. [[User:Upgrade|Upgrade]] 02:03, 24 March 2012 (PDT)

== Parts limit... ==

Once a Strange has three strange parts, can you add one more at the loss of another? Or can you/do you have to get rid of all three?
I haven't checked if it gives you the option to "restore" weapons with strange parts.
[[User:TinyPenguininja|TinyPenguininja]] 14:43, 24 March 2012 (PDT)

== Level ==

The wiki shows this as Level 1 - 100 but the strange part does not have a level assigned! Can someone confirm / change this on the wiki? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Jamesingham|Jamesingham]]''' ([[User talk:Jamesingham|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Jamesingham|contribs]]) 18:12, 25 March 2012</small>

== Sappers As Buildings? ==

If you add destroyed buildings part to a wrench or the homewrecker, does the building tracker increase when destroying a sapper? Given that for achievements they're treated similarly, it seems like this would be the case. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 11:16, 25 March 2012 (PDT)
:I can buy a strange wrench and test it. For science. Should I? {{user:r4wrz0rz0r/sig/actual}} 11:48, 25 March 2012 (PDT)
::Well we won't for the homewrecker until they come out with a strange variant, plus I'd be suprised if that wasn't the default tracker on it by which it levels up. As for the wrench, may as well try since the game code has never treated sappers as much different than buildings before. --'''[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]]''' 12:34, 25 March 2012 (PDT)
::: Whoa, I was positive there was a strange homewrecker... :o [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 15:39, 25 March 2012 (PDT)
:::: Nope, there isn't a strange homewrecker right now. /me is crossing his fingers for one soon [[User:Calq|Calq]] 15:48, 25 March 2012 (PDT)
:Sappers do not count as buildings for the Strange Part: Buildings Destroyed.[[User:Mantid|Mantid]] 16:52, 5 April 2012 (PDT)
:Now there is a S. Homewrecker and oddly sappers DO increase the buildings destroyed part's counter.

== Improving the restrictions table ==

Should the parts remain in "release" order in the table or reduced so that they may share rows of applicable weapons and availability to reduce wasted duplicate data? Also should templates be made for weapon lists into a "cannot deal damage", "can headshot", "can gib" and "can headshot" to make the table much easier to add to in future? Because I can defintely see the can deal damage attribute being used again for a lot more new potential future parts. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 03:57, 27 March 2012 (PDT)
:It would probably be better to list them into the associated labels, then list the parts that apply to the labels. Considering there is a counter for just Heavies, the redundancy for the "can damage" counters is going to be staggering if and when the other 8 classes are added, let alone any other counters they add down the road. —&nbsp;[[User:C2Talon|C2Talon]]&nbsp;(<i>[[Special:Contributions/C2Talon|c]]</i>/<i>[[User_talk:C2Talon|t]]</i>) 13:50, 29 March 2012 (PDT)

== Gibs on flamethrowers? ==

Just checking to see if anyone knew whether or not you can place the Gib Kills part on flamethrowers. {{user:r4wrz0rz0r/sig/actual}} 09:56, 28 March 2012 (PDT)
: You cannot.  The Bugs sections reflects this. [[User:SS2R|SS2R]] 15:47, 28 March 2012 (PDT)
::I doubt it is a bug. It is an oversight at most (just look at the lack of headshot tags when this first came out) and a technical impossibility at worst (do reflect kills even count as kills for the flamethrowers yet? if not, then gibs and headshots are even less likely able to be counted), or possibly just a conscience decision on Valve's part. A bug would be if the schema labeled the flamethrowers as able to gib or headshot, but you could not apply the counters associated with them. —&nbsp;[[User:C2Talon|C2Talon]]&nbsp;(<i>[[Special:Contributions/C2Talon|c]]</i>/<i>[[User_talk:C2Talon|t]]</i>) 13:50, 29 March 2012 (PDT)

== Gallery Image---revealing a bug? ==

The prompt image in the gallery shows the strange weapon to be vintage because of the blue border. Is this normal or is this a bug? I haven't really given it much thought until now.Reverend 15:43, 28 March 2012 (PDT)

Addendum: Come to think of it, the image makes the Strange Part look like an item with genuine quality as well.Reverend 15:44, 28 March 2012 (PDT)

:This happens with all tools, the tool has green text and the item, blue text, in all these prompts when using a tool. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 15:46, 28 March 2012 (PDT)

Thanks for the clarification.Reverend 15:48, 28 March 2012 (PDT)

== strange gib counter on equaliser? ==

as the equaliser gibs players within radius when its taunt is used, would a gib counter be able to apply to a strange equaliser to count the kills it makes when it taunts? [[User:James2777787|James2777787]] 09:00, 5 April 2012 (PDT)

the equalizer is not exactly a explosive weapon, Its more of a melee weapon. Taunt kills shouldn't be included in strange parts because a bunch of weapons could probably fall under every category somehow. [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 17:25, 30 April 2012 (PDT)

== New Counter: Ubers Dropped ==

I already had plans to name my s. sniper rifle "The Uber Dropper" (I think you dropped something.).
I drop on average 5 ubers a day, so I thought it would be a good name.
Now that there are counters, I want to be able to count all of the ubers I drop! (Just to piss of the medics that drop them, or scare them into playing spy)
Anyone else think that this would be a good counter?
(Also, jokingly)
I would expect that one could add this to a medi-gun, and count how many ubers you drop.... just to piss off you team.... or something... funny?
[[User:Zews|Zews]] 10:06, 14 April 2012 (PDT)

* Dangit man, your prays have been heard XD - http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Strange_Part_Ubers_Dropped [[User:Sar-Shazarr|Sar-Shazarr]] ([[User talk:Sar-Shazarr|talk]]) 05:57, 20 June 2013 (PDT)

== "Redundancy" of Tags on non strange weapons ==

I have 2 issues I want to put up for input. The update has added these tags primarily used for strange part usage to both weapons that are not strange yet and a lot of the promo weapons.
-Should data for non strange weapons be put in the table yet? Because it's potentially confusing. (And what about the promos?)
-Should the template be renamed to something less strange part named just in case these tags are used elsewhere in a future update because these changes are a little "fishy". - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 14:26, 27 April 2012 (PDT)

==Additional info on template:strange part restrictions?==

I made an example for the first one, i think this would actually be of more use.

{{User:TheDoctor/Template:Test}} 

[[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 04:18, 28 April 2012 (PDT)

:I see no reason why not to do it. Adds useful information without clutter. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 04:24, 28 April 2012 (PDT)

== Enemies Gibbed ==

Don't know why it's taken me so long to notice, but it should be "Strange Part: Gib Kills". I understand where I should be looking for the proper name of a part now, so it should not happen again. But the text strings and icons need moving and renaming. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 04:56, 28 April 2012 (PDT)

== Can be Equipped by Soldier or Demo ==

This tag is in the Strange parts tags template, but has yet to show up in a strange part. Can someone clarify? [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 00:00, 1 May 2012 (PDT)

:It's present in the item schema, preping for possiblr future strange parts I suppose. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 04:55, 1 May 2012 (PDT)

== Medigun Allies Extinguished ==

I think that the Allies extinguished part should be able to add to a strange medigun/kritz/quick fix. Am I wrong, or does healing someone extinguish them faster than waiting for it to stop? [[User:Yuurg|Yuurg]] 13:57, 9 May 2012 (PDT)
:Yes,healing someone extinguishes them faster than waiting for it to stop.--[[User:Riancoady|Riancoady]] 12:27, 17 June 2012 (PDT)
:We don't have control over how the game works. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 12:20, 17 June 2012 (PDT)
Yeah, this confused me too, its a shame they haven't added this yet. [[User:Silverleaf81|Silverleaf81]] 22:25, 27 November 2012 (PST)
== Ordering of Parts in List ==

Alphabetical, by tag or as it is now in roughly "release" order? - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 04:36, 18 May 2012 (PDT)

== Sandman ==

Can someone test if the Sandman does Posthumous damage? I would assume it does (The Ball) but I would feel better if someone could double-check.
: It does not. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 18:52, 20 May 2012 (PDT)
: The tags list is there for a reason. But no, the posthumous part cannot be used with the Sandman at all, despite it technically being able to kill after death. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 08:43, 21 May 2012 (PDT)

== Wrench dominations and kills ==

I was wondering, since the main counter of any wrench (except for the Southern Hospitality) counts the Sentry Gun kills, if Demomen and Heavies kills are counted with Sentry kills, melee kills or both, and same for the domination/revenge kills. --{{tf2b|P|size=1.4em|color=blue}}{{tf2b|eppo o'|size=1.2em|color=blue}}{{tf2b|P|size=1.4em|color=blue}}{{tf2b|accio|size=1.2em|color=blue}} [[File:Killicon backstab.png|28px|User Page|link=User:Peppo_o'Paccio]] ([[File:Speech_voice.png|19px|Talk|link=User_talk:Peppo_o'Paccio]] / [[File:Tf2wiki_edit_icon.png|19px|Contributions|link=http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Peppo_o%27Paccio|Contributions]]) 03:58, 21 May 2012 (PDT)
:Both. [[File:Killicon_black_rose.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 04:14, 21 May 2012 (PDT)
::Has that been tested since it was last confirmed it only counted melee kills? Has it changed? - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 08:49, 21 May 2012 (PDT)

== Kills while explosive jumping ==

While Demo and Soldier are the most common forms of explosive jumping, some other classes can do that too. Engineer with wrangled level 3 sentry, Pyro with detonator or a skilled rocket airblast, any class with a pumpkin bomb, also any class that has been knocked into the air by an enemy explosive. [[User:Yuurg|Yuurg]] 06:58, 1 June 2012 (PDT)
:Well, the "Kills while Explosive Jumping" Strange part can only be attached to Soldier and Demo weapons. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 02:57, 2 June 2012 (PDT)

I believe that you have to still be in the air to get the kill to count, can anyone confirm this?--Awesome Weegee http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/d/d8/Login_Soldier.png 19:57, 21 July 2012 (PDT)

== Removing Parts ==

The page mentions that you can remove parts using Restore, but can you pick which ones to remove. Like, say my Rocket Launcher has 3 strange parts on it already, but I want to take off Heavies Killed and add Critical Kills instead. When you restore can you choose what to take off or does it just remove all of them? [[User:Redjarman|Redjarman]] 18:56, 29 June 2012 (PDT)
:Just click restore, then click no until it asks you to remove that specific strange part. [[User:Yuurg|Yuurg]] 05:13, 3 July 2012 (PDT)

== REMOVE BUGS ==

Active "bug": The "Allies Extinguished" Strange part cannot be applied to any of Medic's Medi Guns, despite the fact they can be used to extinguish burning allies. ; As an example. This is not a bug. It can't be applied because valve doesnt update the mediguns to allow that attribute. It's like paints and other tools. So if the option wasn't enabled by valve you can't apply any strange part to a weapon. So this specific bugs should be removed. Open for 1week, if no opposite reasons are posted i will just remove the "bad bugs". Thank you [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 19:52, 8 July 2012 (PDT)

Perhaps the fact that Valve hasn't added that attribute could be considered a bug itself? By your logic, the Strange Escape Plan not counting kills wasn't a bug, Valve just hadn't made it work yet. [[User:Redjarman|Redjarman]] 22:29, 11 July 2012 (PDT)

:This weapon itself dropped only because of valve duplicating items without applying all attributes to the new cloned weapon. [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 22:32, 11 July 2012 (PDT)

::This does not change the fact that it clearly wasn't working as intended, just like the "Allies Extinguished" part. [[User:Stocking|Stocking]] 18:27, 23 July 2012 (PDT)

:::Not apply-able weapons makes it not a bug. Valve just didnt unlocked it to be useable on that or this weapon. Even in the 20 july patch notes they just said that they allowed a weapon to be useable with this strange part. It is unlocked by hand for each weapon. Pls join the irc chat and discuss with the moderators about it. My discuss is very old and no moderator objected in this >2weeks. [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 18:46, 23 July 2012 (PDT)
::::Well apparently someone has decided that this constitutes 'trivia'. It is currently on the Medi Gun, Kritzkrieg, and Quick-Fix pages. I suggest that if such an issue is notable, it should be listed as trivia (or as a bug) on THIS page, and the list should be extensive. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Pencil Pusher.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Dangeresque, Too?.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 09:22, 24 July 2012 (PDT)
:::::Note in trivia is enough. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:32, 24 July 2012 (PDT)
:::::: Not a bug or trivia. Medigun doesn't use the same extinguish code the other items do, making it work would require a lot different way of doing it. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 09:40, 24 July 2012 (PDT)
:::::::While we're on the subject, the [[Manmelter]] isn't on the list either, and extinguishing is a major part of its function. I assume it's for the same reason, I just wanted to point out that the bug isn't restricted to Mediguns. [[User:Dendodge|<em style="color:darkblue">den</em>]][[User talk:Dendodge|<em style="color:darkred">dodge</em>]] 09:26, 25 July 2012 (PDT)

::::::::Let's talk about facts....Many weapons can extinguish player, no one objects that. Also some items can't use this or that strange part even if they could this or that action. Now here is the tricky part look at the [[July_20,_2012_Patch|20. july patch]], open up the items_game.txt file and see this: "can_deal_posthumous_damage" "1" . This clearly tells you that strange parts are either a 0 or a 1, and if valve doesnt add that for a weapon it can't be used, but only valve makes the call for that. If it is not doable because of the code is a discussion which leads to nothing, like the moon is out of cheese... Hopefully this will end the additions for the medigun not allowed to take extinguish part... [[User:TheDoctor|TheDoctor]] 15:20, 25 July 2012 (PDT)

: This also applies to the strange PDA - it tracks healing by dispensers, which are capable of extinguishing teammates in the same way as a medi gun, but it isn't possible to equip the relevant strange part, probably for the reason given by [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]]. As this sort of thing now affects several items, I've added an explanatory few lines. [[User:Kzig|Kzig]] 13:55, 19 May 2013 (PDT)

== Critical Kills Part ==
Hello, guys, it appears I am stupid as monkey as I clearly can not understand what's the criteria for weapon for strange part Critical kills could be applied on it. If it should deal random crits? Pff, how about Huntsman,Persian Persuader, Eyelander that don't deal random crits, though part is appliable (. However Soda Popper and Caber can't deal crits either and the part is not appliable on them. Some kind of bug or what? Stats for prove 
http://stats.teamfortress.org/item/6021/Strange_Part%3A_Critical_Kills - 215 persuaders with part, 49 eyelanders, 46 huntsmans with critical kills applied. [[User:Sar-Shazarr|Sar-Shazarr]] 00:36, 5 August 2012 (PDT)
Note: Weapons, that have special conditions to crit are not included (Market Gardener, Gunslinger - part is applied on them as usual.

I'm pretty sure it counts crits from boosts such as Kritzkrieg or flag-capture crits. The part never said they have to be random crits. As long as the weapon can crit in ANY way, it can be applied. [[User:Redjarman|Redjarman]] 13:43, 18 August 2012 (PDT)
*Then why not appliable to Ullapool Caber and Soda Popper - they do not deal random crits, though they can under crit buff. [[User:Sar-Shazarr|Sar-Shazarr]] 05:40, 24 August 2012 (PDT)

== MvM ==

I'm curious, do these track specific things in MvM? Like does Heavies Killed count kills on Heavy bots? Or heck, the spy can sap them, does Buildings Destroyed go up with every kill? [[User:Redjarman|Redjarman]] 13:46, 18 August 2012 (PDT)
*Unfortunately robots aren't counted on strange weapons at all [[User:Sar-Shazarr|Sar-Shazarr]] 05:39, 24 August 2012 (PDT)
:: With the obvious exception of the different ''Robots Destroyed'' parts, of course. --[[User:Itsacon|Itsacon]] 05:18, 30 October 2012 (PDT)

== Maximum Amount of Strange Parts? ==
I have been wondering, is there a maximum amount of strange parts allowed on a weapon?
[[User:Wunder|Wunder]] 23:47, 23 November 2012 (PST)
:Yeah... three parts per weapon.[[User:Ashes|Ashes]] 00:04, 24 November 2012 (PST)
Ah, I see, I was looking for where that is said in the notes section rather than the top.[[User:Wunder|Wunder]] 20:49, 24 November 2012 (PST)

== Strange Part information on respective weapons ==

Not sure if this is supposed to be here. Is it possible that we could add a small table to individual weapons for all the possible usable Strange Parts for that specific weapon?--[[User:SirMuffin|SirMuffin]] 06:15, 15 January 2013 (PST)
:Such a thing already exists - take a look at the "Strange Variant Information" table on each weapon's page - for example, [[Wrench#Strange variant|here it is on the Wrench page]]. Click the little "show" button on the right to expand it. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 06:57, 15 January 2013 (PST)
Sorry, thought it didn't, I'm still kinda new here. Anyways thanks for showing me that.--[[User:SirMuffin|SirMuffin]] 11:08, 15 January 2013 (PST)

== Bug with Strange Part: Full Moon Kills ==

While playing on a server that has tf_forced_ holiday 2, I noticed that my Strange Huntsman with said part applied got it's counter for full moon kills increased, although there is no full moon at the moment. (I'm sorry if I wrote this wrong or similar things like that, it's the first time I edit wikipages) [[User:Davjo|Davjo]] 04:46, 17 January 2013 (PST)

== Missing weapons ==

In the strange part tags table, shouldn't the [[Manmelter]] be listed under "Can Extinguish"? I has no strange variant yet, but it can extinguish allies none the less. Additionally, the [[AWPer Hand]] should be listed under "Can Headshot" --[[User:SpenceTheChef|SpenceTheChef]] 00:32, 10 February 2013 (PST)
:{{c|Done|Added}}, next time if you want to add by yourself, go to [[Template:Strange_part_tags|here]]. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 03:58, 10 February 2013 (PST)

== Long-Distance kills part ==

Can anyone tell/test/count exactly how many hammer-units does this part require attacks to be performed from to increase?

== Serious question!! ==
Have anyone really tested if killing a Medic with 2-4 Vaccinator charges grants you 2-4 points respectively on Ubers dropped counter? Or is it still counted as one? [[User:Sar-Shazarr|Sar-Shazarr]] ([[User talk:Sar-Shazarr|talk]]) 08:22, 24 June 2013 (PDT)

== Strange Flamethrowers with Underwater Enemies killed ==
I'm browsing this guys backpack, and he has three different Strange Flamethrowers with a tracker that says "Submerged enemies killed", which I'm pretty sure is underwater kills. He had a Strange Flamethrower, a Strange Degreaser, and a Strange Backburner, all with the tracker "Submerged enemies killed". Isn't this a bug, as any Flamethrower can not deal damage underwater? If you don't believe me, [http://steamcommunity.com/id/heartsman/inventory/#440_2_1540788748 here's a link to the backpack with the items in question.]
[[User:TheNoobThatWas|TheNoobThatWas]] ([[User talk:TheNoobThatWas|talk]]) 09:43, 28 July 2013 (PDT)
:You can still kill a player who is submerged by reflecting a rocket back at them. Uncommon, but possible. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 09:57, 28 July 2013 (PDT)
::I think this might be because flames act as particles. It's possible for you to fire and then go underwater, and then due to lag your flames hit the enemy while they are underwater, but appear not to be. Either that or the underwater detection is a bit dodgy. --[[User:Dabombber|Dabombber]] ([[User talk:Dabombber|talk]]) 00:38, 5 February 2014 (PST)

== Taunt Kills and Multi hit taunts ==

So... Noticed that the strange part taunt kills does not track properly on gunslinger. I am assuming the same thing on a s.knife but need some confirmation. I've already submitted a ticket to valve about the bug [[User:Nibelhim|Nibelhim]] ([[User talk:Nibelhim|talk]]) 08:16, 3 September 2013 (PDT)

== Taunt Kills ==

i found a small bug, where the taunt kills part is not able to be applied to the strange knife, even though it has the spy's fencing kill taunt.
 ([[User talk:TheAngelAzrael|talk]][[User:TheAngelAzrael|TheAngelAzrael]]) 09:51, 21 September 2013 (PDT)
: Yeah its a strange part bug. It is notable as it is quite odd that it wasn't allowed on that. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 09:52, 21 September 2013 (PDT)
== Projectiles Reflected Q ==

Hm, this may sound kinda dumb, but would a Proj. Refelected part count MvM projectiles?(i.e. Rockets, Flare Shots, Arrows) Thanks! :o --
[[User:KiddlesTheVolatileCat|KiddlesTheVolatileCat]] ([[User talk:KiddlesTheVolatileCat|talk]]) 17:16, 5 December 2013 (PST)
::The robots in MvM are bots so I guess stuff originating from them isn't counted, I know Sappers Destroyed doesn't work in MvM --[[User:Dabombber|Dabombber]] ([[User talk:Dabombber|talk]]) 00:24, 5 February 2014 (PST)

== Medics killed with full Uber on Pomson 6000 ==
Has anyone tested whether this part can be used with this weapon, and if so, whether the counter ever increments? I'm not sure whether the Pomson would kill the medic before draining uber or vice versa. [[User:Kzig|Kzig]] ([[User talk:Kzig|talk]]) 15:29, 21 September 2014 (PDT)
: I can't check to see if the counter increases or anything (seeing as I don't own either a Strange Pomson or the part for this), but I can't see anything in the schema that would block the part from being applied to the weapon. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 15:38, 21 September 2014 (PDT)
:: I now own a Strange Pomson with this part applied. No luck killing a medic at full uber with it yet - will let you know if it works [[User:Kzig|Kzig]] ([[User talk:Kzig|talk]]) 14:22, 25 September 2014 (PDT)
:: Confirmed - I got the counter on the 'Medics Killed With Full Ubercharge' part to increment, so presumably it deals damage before draining Uber. [[User:Kzig|Kzig]] ([[User talk:Kzig|talk]]) 14:58, 25 September 2014 (PDT)

== Cosmetic Part: Fires Survived on Pyro Cosmetics? ==
Does anyone know what would happen if you have this part on a cosmetic being worn by a pyro? Does it increment every time you are hit by a burst of fire? Or does it never increase? [[User:Boop|Boop]] ([[User talk:Boop|talk]]) 11:26, 5 November 2014 (PST)

== Appearance/Listing on items ==

I am just wondering, how are Strange Parts listed on items, by the order they were applied? By an ID number? Some other attribute? And additionally; is such a thing important enough to note on the page? - [[User:Tasty Salamanders|Tasty Salamanders]] ([[User talk:Tasty Salamanders|talk]]) 23:16, 25 February 2015 (PST)
: By the order they were applied. And I don't think this is notable enough for trivia or somewhere else on the page. [[User:Irvitzer|Irvitzer]] ([[User talk:Irvitzer|talk]]) 18:28, 4 March 2015 (PST)

== Detonator does Gib Kills with Detonations after Gun Mettle ==

It should be listed as a bug that the Gib Kills strange part doesn't work on Detonator. [[User:Sleight|Sleight]] ([[User talk:Sleight|talk]]) 17:35, 6 August 2015 (PDT)

== Strange Cosmetic Part: Fires Survived shouldn't be in the Strange Variant Information of weapons. ==

Title. 

I mean, seriously, who put that there? Can someone remove it? [[User:SpriteFan3|&#123; &#60;3 SpriteFan3 © &#125;]] ([[User talk:SpriteFan3|talk]]) 00:52, 18 July 2016 (PDT)
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