View source for Template talk:Allweapons Nav/Archive 1

{{Discussion close|begin|elsewhere=no}}
==Jag?==
I think that the [[Jag]] should be edited in. [[User:SShaDOhsS|&#91;&#93; /shadow/sShaD&#39;OhsS]] 20:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:It is not a official weapon. This Template only features official weapons, and not concepts such as [[Ludmilla]]. &nbsp; '''''[[User:Jeff Andonuts|<font color="#004F21">Jeff Andonuts</font>]]''[[File:User_Jeff_Andonuts_Signature.png‎ | JEFF used Bottle Rocket!]]''' 03:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

==Frying pan==
[[Frying pan]] should be added to soldier and demo weps [[User:Stripedy|Stripedy]] 00:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Rocket Jumper?==
I think that the Rocket Jumper should be in the list. [[User:SShaDOhsS|&#91;&#93; /shadow/sShaD&#39;OhsS]] 22:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

=="Craft" rather than "Drop"==
Could the word "Craft" be more appropriate than "Drop" in the sub-row? After all, all the unlockables are also obtainable by random drop, while the others (Pain Train, Homewrecker, etc.) can be crafted with a specific blueprint.--[[User:Kid Of The Century|Kid Of The Century]] 07:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
: Perhaps Craft/Drop -[[User:Firestorm|<font color=#FF6600><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></font>]] 07:48, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Makes it clearer, the ''Drop'' term is just what I made up when I ran roughshod over the template one night as well as all the weapon pages. --[[User:Org|Org]] 12:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

==Organization?==
Is it possible to make the chart a little cleaner? It's hard to distinguish what is an unlock, and what are drops/crafted. Perhaps alternating highlighted lines? The demoman's section, for example, is not easy to distinguish. --[[User:ManaTree|ManaTree]] 02:06, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Golden Wrench ==

[[Golden Wrench]] should be in "special" section, not "promotion". --[[User:SandeProElite|SandeProElite]] 21:57, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
: It was promoting the Engineer update -- [[User:Benjamuffin|'''Benjamuffin''']] [[File:BenjamuffinSig.png|Om nom nom!]] 22:08, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::''Promotion'' in the sense that it was given as a gift to promote the purchasing of a different product, like Bill's Hat for L4D2 and the Sam and Max weapons. I'll fix it up. [[User:Seb26|<span style="color:#A60000;">'''seb26'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Seb26|talk]]) 22:15, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::: I understood the terminology. I wouldn't be a member of any wiki if I couldn't grasp such a thing. I was simply thinking of practicality. Regardless of the intention of the category, the Golden Wrench fits fine given the reason above. There's no need for a whole new category. -- [[User:Benjamuffin|'''Benjamuffin''']] [[File:BenjamuffinSig.png|Om nom nom!]] 22:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I wasn't criticising you, it's just promoting the Engineer update seemed like a bit of a stretch with the term promotion. I went ahead and changed it anyway as it really is only minor. If there is a promotional melee weapon coming out then we'll just change it back. No hassle :) [[User:Seb26|<span style="color:#A60000;">'''seb26'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Seb26|talk]]) 22:32, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Ah I didn't mean to come across harsh in any way so I apologize if it did. Fair enough on the choice, but to further poke a dead horse as it were, I thought this might help:

"Promotion keeps the product in the minds of the customer and helps stimulate demand for the product. Promotion involves ongoing advertising and publicity" -- [[User:Benjamuffin|'''Benjamuffin''']] [[File:BenjamuffinSig.png|Om nom nom!]] 22:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Also I owe you a smile. :) -- [[User:Benjamuffin|'''Benjamuffin''']] [[File:BenjamuffinSig.png|Om nom nom!]] 22:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::lol k. [[User:Seb26|<span style="color:#A60000;">'''seb26'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Seb26|talk]]) 22:40, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== Unlock/Drop distinction intentional ==

I think we discussed previously that you don't "unlock" community made weapons therefore they get their own distinction as "drop" weapons. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 22:32, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
:"Unlock" meaning through random drops, or through achievements, because it can work both ways. Distinguishing between weapons that can be unlocked through the latter seems unnecessary to me. It seems better to just keep all non-standard weapons together. Agree / disagree? [[User:Seb26|<span style="color:#A60000;">'''seb26'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Seb26|talk]]) 22:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
::We've discussed this at length before. The consensus was to distinguish between them. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 22:44, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
::: Yep, it's been discussed a lot before
:::*Unlock = Can be unlocked through achievements, dropped or crafted. 
:::*Drop = Cannot be unlocked through achievements and must be either found or crafted.   --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 00:27, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

== "Craft" rather than "Drop" redux ==

Since it looks like the [[Weapons]] page, and the individual weapon pages have had the term 'Drop' changed to 'Craft', should this template be updated as well?  --[[User:Org|Org]] 05:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== GRU/Showdown ==

According to the [[Gloves of Running Urgently]] page, it uses the Showdown taunt. Anyone want to add that in?--[[User:SAJewers|SAJewers]] 13:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Battalion's Backup ==
Backup, not Back-up. [[User:Erebus|Erebus]] 04:34, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Sets ==

Maybe we shoud add information about sets? [[User:AAT|AAT]] 15:00, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Demo's slots ==
The Stickybomb Launcher and its replacements are Primary Weapons despite being in slot 2 in-game. The inverse is true of the Grenade Launcher. Anybody with permission care to change it or grant me permission? [[User:Rebmcr|Rebmcr]] 12:08, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:We already went over this in the past and stuck with the former. -- [[User:Vi3trice|<font color=#771d6d>'''Vi3trice'''</font>]] {{adm}} <sub>([[User_talk:Vi3trice|talk]])</sub> 12:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::In consideration of this issue (and in accordance with our [[Help:Style guide#Unique cases|Style guide]]) I've changed instances of "Primary" and "Secondary" to "Slot 1" and "Slot 2", respectively, when referring to lists of weapons that cover all classes. People can still use the terms "primary" and "secondary" for most individual cases, but when the terms apply to demoman or spy (which is the case for a table like this, which includes all weapons), Slot # is much less disagreeable and confusing. '''~[[User:G-Mang|G-Mang]]'''<small> ([[User talk:G-Mang|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/G-Mang|C]])</small> [[Help:Group rights#Content Administrators|<span class="admbg">a</span>]] 22:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::That's good. People that need to know whether they are primary or secondary for crafting can see the table on the crafting page anyway. Also, should we rename "Standard" to "Stock" since that's what Valve calls them now? [[User:MK|MK]] 04:57, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Polycount sub-row ==

I think that a Polycount sub-row would be useful. --[[User:Goozer|Goozer]] 13:47, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not until more Polycount Packs will be released. [[User:Shock394|Shock394]] 22:15, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

== Sticky Jumper ==

I think the Sticky jumper is in the wrong group, supposed to be in the Craft Section. [[User:Shock394|Shock394]] 00:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== New PNatI Weapons ==

Heavy
Iron Curtain

Spy
Enthusiast's Timepiece

== "Standard" label ==

Ah, I pointed this out on the [[Talk:Weapons#Labeling_inconsistency|Weapons]] page itself previously; I didn't notice that the template shared the labeling issue. For the sake of consistency throughout the wiki, I propose that the 'Standard' label be changed to 'Stock', so that it does not contrast with the likes of the [[Weapons]] page and individual weapon pages. [[User:Disaster|Disaster]] 00:08, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:They changed it due to Valve always refer them as Stock. [[User:Shock394|Shock394]] 04:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
::Well if Valve themselves calls the original weapons 'Stock' weapons, and a majority of other wiki pages label them as 'Stock' weapons, then the obvious action to take would be to label the weapons as 'Stock' weapons here as well, no? [[User:Disaster|Disaster]] 00:09, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

== Lugermorph is in, but Iron Curtain and Enthusiast's Timepiece is Not ==

Both of those are technically promotional items as well, as they are given through the purchase of a game and progress in the game, similar to that of the Alien Swarm Parasite. Should they be added to Heavy's and Spy's Promotional weapon unlocks? [[User:Tidmiste|Tidmiste]] 05:11, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:Lugermorph and Big Kill are already ingame whereas the ones you listed are NOT. [[User:Psychopath|Psychopath]] 05:09, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
::The Lugermorph is currently in the game though, we should wait for the official release of the other two weapons, also, Don't forget to sign each post with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Nixshadow|Nixshadow]] 05:11, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Ok, just making sure. [[User:Tidmiste|Tidmiste]] 05:13, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
::::...well, they're in the game ''now''. Even if the proper method of obtaining them isn't out until Monday, people ''have'' been successfully crafting them. So... I guess now we can add them to the list? --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 16:09, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::No, add them until it is officially released. [[User:Shock394|Shock394]] 18:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::Technically, they ''are'' officially released. The portal pin is in the misc template, these two weapons need to be added [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 00:48, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Poker Night is now officially realsed. The poker night items should now be put into the template [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 00:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Iron Curtain is added, but Enthusiast's Timepiece is still missing from the nav. [[User:Bluh Bluh|BLUH]] 14:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Just a note, someone added them sometime, but not me. [[User:Scalene|Scalene]] 10:51, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

== A few minor nitpicks ==

Between the PDA2 and Taunts lines, the divider line is in the wrong spot. In addition, the PDA2 row does not have the rows within it alternate in background color, an inconsistency from the other rows. [[User:Psychopath|Psychopath]] 06:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
:Just came here to note the line issue. It seems to have been made when the Promotion row was added without increasing the rowspan of the PDA2 box. Fixing that and the alternating row colors will be easy once someone gets around to it. [[User:MK|MK]] 10:49, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

== Not working in translated pages? ==

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Homewrecker/pt-br

It's not working in pt-br pages anymore, it redirects to the english pages. How do i fix it? -- [[File:User Swordz Swordz.png|25px]][[User:Swordz|<font color="green"><tt><big><u>'''Swordz'''</u></big></tt></font>]]{{mod}}[[File:User Swordz Swordz.png|25px]] 14:52, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
:Language not supported. Shock394 03:38, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

== Candy Cane: craft, "uncrate", or promotion? ==

The [[Candy Cane]]: I put it under "craft" items but according to its own page it's only available from the winter crate? Should it stay under "craft", be moved to promotions, or put in a new "uncrate" category? -[[User:Gekiganger3|Gekiganger3]] 04:20, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:At the moment, the only way to get the weapons from the Festive Crates is from the crates; in a few days they will be added to the drop system and given recipes. [[User:MK|MK]] 08:17, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

== Healing Melody? ==
Should the amputator taunt be included in the taunts section? The kritzkrieg is already there.[[User:Gametheorist|Gametheorist]] 20:58, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:I think so. [[User:MK|MK]] 01:31, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

== So I got bored and made this. ==

What do you think? [[User:MK|MK]] 01:33, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
{{User:MK/Weapon}}

== Righteous Bison: Promo or not? ==

Should we have the [[Righteous Bison]] as a promo item, or just a crafteable item? It was distributed via the WETA booth at Comicon, but that gun has no differences from a store bought version. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 08:12, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
: The Conic-Con promo item is craftable, but not tradable, ''afaik''. A store-bought version would be nether craftable nor tradable. Even so, we should keep it under the Craft header, as weapons in this template are always listed under the simplest, most guaranteed way of obtaining at least one version of them. [[User:Mainman|<span style="text-shadow:#0099FF 0px 0px 3px;color:steelblue;font-size:95%;font-weight:bold" title="Mainman"><u>Mainman</u></span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Mainman|Talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Mainman|Contribs.]])</sup> 08:33, 22 July 2011 (PDT)

== This nav is REALLY bad looking ==

All the names just sort of meld together. Can anyone fix this? --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 02:56, 13 August 2011 (PDT)

== Purity Fist ==

I noticed that the Purity Fist is on the Weapon list it should be taken off. [[User:Milte345|Milte345]] 13:00, 22 August 2011 (PDT)
:I don't see it there. {{n}}[[File:User_Heffebaycay_stslogo.png|link=]] [[User:Cructo|<span style="font-weight:bold;font-family: Segoe UI"><font color="black">Cructo]]</font></span>  <span style="font-size:10px;font-weight:bold;font-family: helvetica"><font color="black"><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User_talk:Cructo|T]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[Special:Contributions/Cructo|C]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></font></span> 13:02, 22 August 2011 (PDT)
::It was removed earlier on today, perhaps try clearing your cache? '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 13:03, 22 August 2011 (PDT)

== New section ==

Do we need one for the conscientious objector as it is not available by crafting? [[User:BASEBALLFURIES|BASEBALLFURIES]] 00:07, 17 January 2012 (PST)

== Slot 1/2 ==

Suggesting it be changed to Primary/Secondary since Valve's removed the ambiguity on the Grenade Launcher, Sticky Launcher, and Revolver. -[[User:FlaminSarge|FlaminSarge]] 10:45, 9 July 2012 (PDT)
{{Discussion close|end|elsewhere=no}}