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| − | Every weapon is referred to by its group "like Rocket Launchers, Stickybomb Launchers" except for "the Rocket Launcher and Direct Hit" where weapons are named specifically.
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| − | Maybe change it to "like Rocket Launchers"?
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| − | Alternately, include each weapon type "Rocket Launchers, Sticky Launchers and Syringe Guns"?). This is assuming that these weapons do determine distance on impact.
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| − | This group of weapons is the same as that in the section on reduced ramp-ups, so maybe move this section to there? [[User:Mechlord|Mechlord]] 06:03, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
| + | Does anyone know the exact formula used for the distance modifier? I know it is a cubic function, but I want to know which formula results in that graph. If you have the one for splash that would be helpful as well, but it isn't needed. Answers appreciated! |
| − | : Kind of a related topic here, a lot of terms in this article (Rocket Launchers, Syringe Guns, Flamethrowers and so forth) are used to describe groups of weapons with similar properties. However, the links direct only to one weapon from those groups, usually the vanilla one. For example, "Rocket Launchers" links to the Soldier's default Rocket Launcher, thereby suggesting (incorrectly) that the Direct Hit and Black Box are not affected by these mechanics. I suggest creating disambiguation pages for the different "weapon categories", and linking to those instead. [[User:Zoon-li|Zoon-li]] 00:56, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Building damage/damage to buildings == | |
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| − | I feel that there should be some reference to Buildings and how they receive/deal damage, like a short blurb with a link to the Buildings main article. --[[User:Aranarth|Aranarth]] 00:28, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ==Hunstman & Crusaders Crossbow==
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| − | What type of damage do they do? [[User:The Unbeholden|The Unbeholden]] 07:10, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :AFAIK The Huntsman has no damage Ramp-up/Fall-off and The Crusader's Crossbow does reversed Ramp-up/Fall-off. (does more damage at long range, and less damage up close.) [[User:TheIgnorantMedic|TheIgnorantMedic]] 02:33, 2 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Practical example or video demonstration ==
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| − | I was wondering if a practical example (e.g. "''A Soldier on the Balcony of 2Fort fires a rocket aimed at a Scout in the middle of the bridge roof...''") or even better a video like the weapon demonstrations could help understand better the article for non-english readers (therefore helping the translation).--[[User:Kid Of The Century|Kid Of The Century]] 07:18, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == About the calculation of Damage vulnerability, resistance and blocking ==
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| − | In the final example, how does the last result come out (42.8% resistance to sentry bullets)? I'm bad at math, anyone can demonstrate the process for me? Thanks for help. [[User:Jcmbmhitacid|Jcmbmhitacid]] 08:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :#Start with taking 100% damage from an attack.
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| − | :#Tank Buster set: 20% resistance. 100% * (100% - 20%) = 80%
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| − | :#Pain Train: 10% weakness. 80% * (100% + 10%) = 88%
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| − | :#Battalion's Backup: 35% resistance. 88% * (100% - 35%) = 57.2%
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| − | :#Taking 57.2% of the damage from attack means you resist 42.8% of it.
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| − | :[[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] 11:22, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ==Damage type icons==
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| − | I think it might be useful to put some icons on weapon pages representing what types of damage they do, seeing as some of them are non-obvious. So I went through all the damage types in the Source engine and threw together [http://i53.tinypic.com/2uf9jcm.png this prototype]. Would this be helpful? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] 11:22, 23 July 2011 (PDT) | |
| − | :I'm confused. – [[User:Smashman|<font color=#507D2A>Smashman</font>]]<sub> ([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> 08:19, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::We ought to indicate which damage types (bleed, bullet, explosive, fire, melee, and typeless) each weapon deals. The bison seems to deal typeless damage, for example, which is a little odd. Toomai is suggesting that we come up with an icon system to indicate damage types, and use them on the weapon pages. I don't particularly like the icons provided, but I think it's a good idea. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 14:11, 5 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] 08:35, 24 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::: I think it's a good idea, particularly since some weapons don't deal the kind of damage you'd expect them to (like how melee damage was typed as bullet damage for a while). ==[[User:FaxCelestis|Fax Celestis]] <sub>[[User_talk:FaxCelestis|talk]]</sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/FaxCelestis|contrib]]</small><sup>[http://wiki.faxcelestis.net/ home]</sup> 08:52, 24 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::: I think it's fairly obvious what damage 'type' most weapons deliver. For the likes of the Bison, though, perhaps it should be specified on its page that it is a specialised type on its own.--<span style="color:purple">'''''[[User:Focusknock|Focusknock]]'''''</span> 08:03, 28 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::::: It certainly couldn't hurt. Add it, I say! [[User:Randomscripter|Randomscripter]] 13:03, 17 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::::::: I agree with Focusknock. But true it won't hurt to add more details. Maybe to put in on item infobox only. [[User:BenMQ|BenMQ]] 03:36, 12 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | :::::::: This is really important now with the [[Vaccinator]]. I believe the [[Syringe Gun]] does bullet damage, but I can't be sure. --[[User:Randomtagger|Randomtagger]] 10:06, 1 February 2013 (PST)
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| − | ::::::::: {{c|support}} This is absoulutly needed. in all honesty, this should have been around BEFORE the vaccinator was implemented. You know how some items (chargin' targe, candy cane) have resisitences and vulnerabilities? Exactly, Damage types. [[User:Superprototype|Super? Prototype]] 08:06, 19 April 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :It's been like 3 years now so I'll go out on a limb and say the answer is no. --'''[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]]''' 01:20, 8 June 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :{{c|support}} It might come '''VERY''' handy. [[User:DiamondCubeMiner|DiamondCubeMiner]] ([[User talk:DiamondCubeMiner|talk]]) 00:06, 27 January 2015 (PST)
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| − | ::Well, I have made some clean-y and with TF2 Style icons with the types: http://imgur.com/a/zcObX ~ Most of the pages list the weapon types on the table, though, the Bison and Pomson list as "Untyped", I need to test what type they're, they might be bullet type, or they can be a totally new one, which we can name as Laser Type (?). I also need someone to edit the infobox template to add these, I was thinking something like: "Weapon Damage Type: (Icon here) (Explosive/Bullet/Melee/Fire here)", and something for extra ones if needed (like the [[Team Captain]] team colors for each class), for additional information, such as the Cow Mangler critical effect, or the Atomizer third jump that is actually a bullet type damage. I want critics on the icon, I'm fairly new on vectoring (this was my second time vectoring things). If it gets supported, I'll investigate the few weapons that has no damage type listed on the table and get the job done with this, though, only thing that needs an infobox edit OR a dictionary for these (like the Quality list). [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 10:01, 25 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::The fire icon looks odd to me, and the color should be one of the [[Help:colors|colors]] used on the wiki. As far as types go, I believe the bison is actually typeless damage, as in there is no damage type associated with it. What do you plan to do for critical damage? I'd suggest a red background, similar to the one used in the killfeed.
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| − | :::Qualities use a dictionary because they display origin. This information (much like damage numbers) should probably be hard-coded into the page. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 11:15, 25 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :::: I didn't liked the fire icon either, I can try remaking it later. Making the icon #F3A957 and the background as #EEE8AA would be good? I was thinking to make an icon for special (A star) for those weapons that has no damage type associated. Also, do you think that 50x50 would be the image size for those (on the infobox)? So I save the vector directly as 50x50 to retain quality. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 11:33, 25 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | == Maximum Distance ==
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| − | Should there be a mention as to the maximum distance which bullets can travel? Cause there is a maximum distance that bullets can fly. Go to a ridiculously large map, and try to snipe something far away, you wont hit it.[[User:Nibelhim|Nibelhim]] 06:39, 27 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Mini-crits damage formula ==
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| − | On the 'Critical hits' article, it is mentioned mini-crits "ensure a weapon does at least 135% of its base damage". However, by the mini-crit damage formula given, it's not made clear if it really works that way. It gives the impression, at least to me, that if the attacker is 512 units or more away from his target, the damage done can be actually less than 135% of a weapon's base damage.
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| − | The reason is that, in such a case, the distance between the attacker and target is initially set to be 512 units, and so, by then applying the +- 153.6 distance modifier, there's a chance the game considers the attacker to be up to 153.6 units further than 512 units away. Only after these calculations it multiplies the final damage, which may be less than the base damage, by 135%.
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| − | Anohter issue is about the mini-crit damage listed on pretty much every weapon's infobox. It gives the base damage multiplied by 135% as the only possible value, when a mini-crit can deal more damage than that, going by the formula, and possibly less than that, if what I wrote before is correct. So, instead of a single value, shouldn't the mini-crit damage be given as "max value - min value"?
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| − | Yea, dunno if I got what I'm wondering thru, but still. [[User:Adreadline|Adreadline]] 15:15, 30 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Damage Resistances in Relation to Critical Hits ==
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| − | I was making a pointless argument on the SPUF site about the Vaccinator. I was making the argument that Resistances were factored prior to crits being multiplied
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| − | But, lo and behold, crits are factored after resistances are factored.
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| − | Here is the thread that I posted in that gives my math.
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| − | http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=34177566&postcount=32
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| − | https://www.dropbox.com/s/2g7c501ldz3iqmg/damage.dem
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| − | That dem file shows how much damage I received as a Heavy with the Fists of Steel.
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| − | Here, I see that the damage calculations are shown that resistances are calculated after the crit damage.
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| − | [[User:D Holland|D Holland]] 11:09, 11 April 2013 (PDT)
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