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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Sniper_emblem_GRN.png|x75px|link=User:EtherealT/Bry%27s_TF2_Ideas|Bry's TF2 Ideas]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[User:EtherealT/Dr._Pea%27s_Weapon_Balance_Ideas|Dr. Pea's Weapon Balance Ideas]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[User:EtherealT/Vror%27s_Massive_Rebalance|Vror's Massive Rebalance]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[User:EtherealT/GFL%27s_2Fort_Improved|GFL's 2Fort Improved]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[User:Msmeal18/Ideas#Red-X_the_Soldier.27s_Ideas|Red-X's Ideas]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Soldier_emblem_YLW.png|x75px|link=User:EtherealT/The_Pogging_Reptile%27s_Fan_Patch|The Pogging Reptile's Fan Patch]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Demo_emblem_YLW.png|x75px|link=TBA|I'm's Weapon Balance]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Heavy_emblem_YLW.png|x75px|link=TBA|Typical Colors 2]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Engineer_emblem_YLW.png|x75px|link=User:EtherealT/Void%27s_Change_Ideas|Void's Change Ideas]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Medic_emblem_YLW.png|x75px|link=User:EtherealT/Red5T65%27s_Mass_Rebalance_Series|Red5T65's Mass Rebalance Series]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[User:EtherealT/The_Pogging_Reptile%27s_Fan_Patch|The Pogging Reptile's Fan Patch]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[User:EtherealT/Tarluk%27s_TF2_Balance_Collection|Tarluk's TF2 Balance Collection]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[I'm's Weapon Balance]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[User:EtherealT/Void%27s_Change_Ideas|Void's Change Ideas]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[User:EtherealT/Red5T65%27s_Mass_Rebalance_Series|Red5T65's Mass Rebalance Series]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[DrafOrgg's TF2.0]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Scout_emblem_PRP.png|x75px|link=TBA|NotnHeavy's TF2 Rebalance]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Soldier_emblem_PRP.png|x75px|link=TBA|Jimbo's Takes On TF2 Weapons]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Pyro_emblem_PRP.png|x75px|link=TBA|Xayir's Weapon Balance Changes Ideas]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Demo_emblem_PRP.png|x75px|link=TBA|Volition Server's 2Fort Evolution+]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Heavy_emblem_PRP.png|x75px|link=TBA|BeefyC's TF2 Weapon Tweaks]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Engineer_emblem_PRP.png|x75px|link=TBA|Ashtray Games' Weirdmaps]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Medic_emblem_PRP.png|x75px|link=TBA|Luigi_Number1's The Time Sure Flies Update]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Sniper_emblem_PRP.png|x75px|link=TBA|Hell-Met's Fixing Beloved TF2]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Scout_emblem_ORG.png|x75px|link=TBA|Twunny's Ultimate Balance Doc]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Soldier_emblem_ORG.png|x75px|link=TBA|Demophone's TF2 Weapon Balances]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Pyro_emblem_ORG.png|x75px|link=TBA|Coming soon...]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Demo_emblem_ORG.png|x75px|link=TBA|Coming soon...]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Heavy_emblem_ORG.png|x75px|link=TBA|Coming soon...]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:User_EtherealT_Engineer_emblem_ORG.png|x75px|link=TBA|Coming soon...]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:Speech typing.png|x75px|link=User_talk:EtherealT|Talk]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:item_icon_wrench.png|x75px|link=User:EtherealT/My_Own_Balance_Doc|My own balance doc and scribbles]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[File:item_icon_bat.png|x75px|link=User:EtherealT/Red-X_The_Soldier%27s_Ideas|Sandbox 1]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[User:EtherealT/My_Own_Balance_Doc|My own balance doc and scribbles]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[User:EtherealT/Red-X_The_Soldier%27s_Ideas|Sandbox 1]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[User:EtherealT/CTF2W|Sandbox 2]]
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− | |style="width:10%" | [[User:EtherealT/Denied%27s_TF2_Reborn|Sandbox 3]]
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| = Summary = | | = Summary = |
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− | Returning tf2 player that enjoys collecting and reading balance takes and analyzing them.
| + | I am u/PrimalWinter322 or etherealtraveller on Discord, and since December 2021, I have been collecting balance documents, balance posts and balancemod changes in other to create a wiki or hub where balance ideas can be freely shared and feedback/discussions can be hosted over these proposals. As of 28th April 2023, I have collected 51 write ups across different websites, and met/talked with many balance authors and gradually expanded my views on balancing as well. |
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− | (Namely to pretend that there would be an upcoming update based on reading fan updates, tf2 update when)
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− | Still a huge WIP, will update with more links and decorate this page a bit more.
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− | = About this project and additional info =
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− | '''If you have any balance documents, please contact me on [https://steamcommunity.com/id/EtherealTraveller Steam] or Discord at SublimeW#6673'''
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− | '''I barely have any criteria for balance documents, so long as:'''
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− | 1) Your balance document/post/server must have at least 40 changes -- General class changes count as one change
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− | 2) The document itself should not have more than 70-75% custom weapons, in other words if you find your post being mostly custom weapons with minimal official changes, that's not a balance document but a custom weapon sheet instead, which would not be included
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− | 3) It must be finished basically -- Vague definition I know, but as long as every class has something, even if the document isn't final, it will be considered
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− | '''How I judge the quality of a balance document (As of 19th October 2022) is also largely based on a few factors:'''
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− | 1) Quality of the changes (Goes without saying)
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− | 2) Originality (While high quality ideas are fine, what I really enjoy reading are brand new takes on weapons no one (or barely anyone) has touched on this idea, even if it may sound silly or stupid -- it irks me when 20-30% of a page is a direct port from other people's ideas, even if these ideas are great)
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− | 3) Justification and reasoning (Can you explain why you made such changes? Even if your changes are questionable, so long as the reasoning is reasonable, its a decent concept)
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− | 4) Access to playtesting (While only a small proportion of my list have access to playtesting, having actual live combat data is always more impactful than simply writing theories and ideas on paper)
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− | 5) Personal bias (A bit petty but you might be knocked down a notch simply because I don't enjoy our interactions and conversations, but I try to be reasonable)
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− | A more detailed "mark scheme" is starting to be in development since 16th March 2023, will post here somewhere when its done.
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− | == Projects ==
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− | * Collecting and reading even more community mass balance changes
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− | ** Status: Ongoing
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− | * Porting over community balance changes into their own page within my profile
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− | ** Status: Ongoing
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− | * Porting over a list of custom weapons I've read over the years (with a few OC ideas by myself)
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− | ** Status: Ongoing
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− | == To-Do ==
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− | * Reorganize CTF2W, Denied's TF2 Reborn and Red-X's ideas page in my profile
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− | * Work on Void's page
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− | == Random doodles and notes ==
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− | * HiGPS = Hybrid
| + | One of the biggest struggles for balance document authors is that they struggle with getting feedback, and the odd comment they get is often negative and that’s discouraging. No more of that! I welcome all ideas and I encourage everyone to do the same by showing me their ideas and supporting me in developing a safe space for balance ideas. |
− | * KTBM = Hybrid
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− | * Sweddy = Casual
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− | * CTF2W = Casual
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− | * Jonatan = Comp (Last major update on MyM, on hiatus)
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− | * Inspector = Hybrid (But leaning towards comp focused)
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− | * Disco = Hybrid (But leaning towards comp focused)
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− | * Yazza = Hybrid
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− | * Derek = Casual
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− | * Jax = Comp
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− | * Builder = Casual
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− | * Graydient = Casual
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− | * Zethax = Casual
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− | * OlimarAlpha = Hybrid
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− | * Hotquakes = Hybrid
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− | * Echo = Hybrid (But leaning towards casual focused)
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− | * Denied = Hybrid
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− | * Topyke = Casual
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− | * SquimJim = Casual
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− | * Salt God = Casual
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− | * Dr. Pea = Casual
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− | * Vror = ??? (Author said its balanced around stock instead of casual or comp...?)
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− | * FSoaS = Casual
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− | * GFL 2Fort = Casual
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− | * Grapevine = Hybrid
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− | * Bry = Casual
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− | * Red-X the Soldier = Casual
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− | * Mann344 = Hybrid
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− | * Pogging Reptile = Casual
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− | * Tarluk = Casual
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− | * I'm = Casual
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− | * TC2 = Casual
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− | * Void = Hybrid (But leaning towards casual focused)
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− | * Red5T65 = Casual
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− | * DrafOrgg = Casual
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− | * ReadyToPlay = Casual
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− | * NotnHeavy = Casual (On hiatus)
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− | * Jimbo = Hybrid (But leaning towards casual focused)
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− | * Xayir = Hybrid
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− | * Volition = Casual
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− | * BeefyC = Casual
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− | * Ashtray = Hybrid
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− | * Luigi = Hybrid (But leaning towards comp focused)
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− | * Hell-Met = Hybrid
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− | * British = Casual
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− | * Twunny = Comp
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− | * DemoPhone = Hybrid (Last major update on MyM, on hiatus)
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− | This is just a what if thought, but after looking at another user (ShadowMan44)'s fake yearly updates, I'm somewhat inspired to write one down the road for a few pages (Namely Sweddy and Jax), but that'll probably not come till much later -- Let me know what you guys think in my talk page or DM me on Discord
| + | Now on [https://www.reddit.com/user/PrimalWinter322/comments/131sm1m/the_rebalancetf_project/ Reddit]! |