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| − | In the Last Will and Testament of Zepheniah Mann, he leaves his estate to his maidservant '''Elizabeth'''. However, Loose Canon has the Will being read as giving the estate (what's left of it, anyways) to '''Emily'''. They are doubtlessly the same person (See the images) so which name should be used on the page? Maybe Valve's just trolling, but the issue still exists. [[User:The Neotank|The Neotank]] 13:34, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Elizabeth must be Emily. Plus it has an image of her, looking all Administratory right there. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 14:30, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I spoke to Makani in person, and she told me that they are separate people, and the inclusion of the name "Emily" in Zephaniah's will was a mistake. Elizabeth, Emily, and Helen are, however, all related. [[User:Fawkes|Fawkes]] 06:39, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Investigation of the Adminstrator's ancestry ==
| + | - [https://www.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/619948-582864_20041110_057.jpg look, it's in Final Hours of Half-Life 2. Their similarity is very close.] The artist of the comic he appears in is Heather Campbell, the admin want me to contact Valve for confirmation, but Heather Campbell is the artist so she probably the one that knows. Heather Campbell isn't included on https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/people, so no contact. So I have ask another employee to ask another employee. Or I'll have to guess what their email is. Makes me wonder if some people make fake emails because of this. Makes me wish that video by Tyler McVicker stood up. The contact on their website doesn't even tell you their address. |
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| − | This wiki page depicts Elizabeth/Emily as Zepheniah Mann's hand servant and also the woman who spoke with Radigan Conagher.
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| − | According to [http://www.teamfortress.com/loosecanon/04.html this page] Elizabeth/Emily existed in the 1850s. However, [http://www.teamfortress.com/loosecanon/05.html forty years later] she appears [http://www.teamfortress.com/loosecanon/08.html younger] when she speaks with the Engineer's grandfather than she had in the previous page. Wouldn't the unnamed woman that spoke with Radigan Conagher be Elizabeth/Emily's daughter and the current Administrator's mother? [[User:TerminalGear|TerminalGear]] 21:02, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :True dat. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 17:49, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: So then, shouldn't we make the distinction between Elizabeth/Emily and the unnamed woman? Because right now, all the wiki pages have them labeled as the same person... [[User:TerminalGear|TerminalGear]] 19:03, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: Yeah, seems reasonable enough. At least unless Valve manage to link them in another way, such as the theory that she had the third life extender machine (but that's aside the point for now). [[User:Hackett|Hackett]] 19:05, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == 1890's BLU Team ==
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| − | According to Makani, the only actual historical figure to appear in the 1890's BLU team portrait is Abraham Lincoln. The Engineer, Sniper, Scout, and Heavy are modeled after Tesla, Crockett, Billy the Kid and John Henry Irons, but are not necessarily supposed to be them. Spy was styled as a Fu Manchu type of character. Demoman is simply a crazy prospector, and was not drawn to resemble the original Demoman concept art. Soldier and Medic were simply drawn in the style of Civil War-era soldiers and medics, and were not meant to be specific people. [[User:Fawkes|Fawkes]] 06:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Here's her blog post on the subject: http://makani.deviantart.com/journal/33304412/ [[User:Fawkes|Fawkes]] 15:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Should the identities of the original team be added to the 'Trivia' section of the class pages? Or should they be left out, as most of them are merely speculation? [[User:Darthmustache|Darthmustache]] 13:08, 21 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Radigan is a Hale? ==
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| − | Maybe the Engineer is a decendant of the Hale family?
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| − | Maybe Saxton is the grandfather, using his own life-prolonging machine nightly?
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| − | Hmm, but there was a Hale present at the will signing...
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| − | [[User:Michael|Michael]] 22:47, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Are you saying that because of the beefy appearance he takes as shown progressively by the hidden links of the engineer update? I think it's just an effect of Australium exposure. In any case, speculation I'd say — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 22:54, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ** Ah well, I can dream... [[User:Michael|Michael]] 23:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Tavish's Family ==
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| − | I seem to recall that the Soldier vs. Demoman comic mentions the Demoman's name is Tavish, and he had a full family (Mom and Dad) at one point. Should I type up a section under Groups on this, or is his family not quite big enough to fit under it? --[[User:ANormalUsername|ANormalUsername]] 19:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Well, it would be a tad superfluous, as Mrs. DeGroot already has her own section on the page. -[[User:The Neotank|<font color="#FF8C00">'''The Neotank'''</font>]] ({{mod}}<small> | [[User talk:The Neotank|Talk]]</small>) [[File:User The Neotank Signeotank.jpg]] 22:14, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::You could combine the Mrs DeGroot bit and add a Mr DeGroot bit then call it the DeGroot Family. In groups. If you'd like. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]]{{bur}} <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 22:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: Yeah, that sounds good. We have a section on the Sniper's parents and we don't even know what they look like. --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} [[File:User Firestorm Nuke Sig.jpg]] 22:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Does it mention how Mrs. Degroot lost her eyes? It can be safe to assume that she lost them because of them being Scottish Highlanders right? [[User:Kevschow|Kevschow]] 08:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :She didn't necessarily ''lose'' her eyes; she's just mentioned as blind. Could simply be due to old age, but considering the circumstances there probably is a link. —[[User:KarasuGamma|烏Γ]] ''<sup>([[User talk:KarasuGamma|kaw at me]])</sup>, 20:41, 8 January 2011 (UTC)''
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| − | == Vladimir Bananas ==
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| − | was poopy joe's soviet nemesis, can we write something about him under or in poopy joe's section? [[User:Guy|Guy]] 21:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :You can put it in. -- [[User:En_Ex|En Ex]] {{bur}} <sub>([[User_talk:En_Ex|talk]])</sub> 21:57, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Hippies ==
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| − | Hippies have been the punching bag of the game And has been mentioned quite a lot. I figured it might be nice to mention all the times Hippies has been mentioned in TF2. [[User:NumbersGuy|NumbersGuy]] 18:10, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Redmond in Red Manor ==
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| − | Added a section about how YM included Redmond in Red Manor, the location of his Artpass map. Since Valve have made the map official, that means Redmond's location is most likely canon. [[User:Omnomnick|Omnomnick]] 07:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I'm not sure we can call a community made map: "canon". And I'm not sure Redmond would allow a battle so close to his home. [[User:Danton|Danton]] 14:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Well I think ill have to correct you on that when valve accepts a 3rd party map it is then considered official therefore canon.--[[User:Smokeyford|Smokeyford]] 02:39, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::It's not that I don't believe you, its just I'm the kind of guy that needs proof before I believe most things. So if you can, supply some infromation that will prove your point, Smokey. [[User:Danton|Danton]] 18:46, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == The Sniper's parents ==
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| − | "Then he decides to tell his mom to tell his dad that he ''is'' a doctor now."
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| − | Is this correct? Seems like there's a parent too many in this sentence. Is it his mom or his dad?
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| − | [[User:Hassun|Hassun]] 18:48, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Look's okay to me? [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 18:51, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: 'Just tell dad I make more money than a doctor. In fact, tell dad I am a doctor now.' Basically, shorten it to 'As far as his dad knows, he is a doctor now.'--<span style="color:purple">'''''Focusknock'''''</span> [[Help:Group rights|<span class="burbg">s</span>]] 18:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. [[User:Hassun|Hassun]] 17:21, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Franklin D. Roosevelt ==
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| − | Where is he? He perfected the stairs in 1921 as said in the [http://www.teamfortress.com/war/victory/ Gunboats page] I think he should be placed in the "Historical Figures section in the Non Player Characters page [[User:Mardamien24|Mardamien24]] 03:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I think so too, so I'll add him. [[User:Tib|Tib]] 20:31, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == npc's and story characters==
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| − | npcs refer to in game characters not people mentioned in the comics story characters and npcs should be different things and only the ghost and the HHH should be here.[[User:Ares5566|Ares5566]] 04:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Kicasso ==
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| − | As I pointed out in [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Non-player_characters&diff=304207&oldid=304206 this edit], the fact that Kicasso went through a "Hunted in the Jungle" period may be more than a coincidence. Since the BLU Engineer is Kicasso's most prominent fan, and the BLU Engineer is "[[the Hunted]]", is there a link? —[[User:KarasuGamma|烏Γ]] ''<sup>([[User talk:KarasuGamma|kaw at me]])</sup>, 20:44, 8 January 2011 (UTC)''
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| − | == Francis the Talking France ==
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| − | Francis originated from Eric Wolpaw's website Old Man Murray. Should this be cited in the main article? [[User:Calzone|Calzone]] 23:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
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| − | The trivia says "He claims to be the inventor of the French terms "Mise en scene! Auteur! Avante-garde! Montage! Even cinéma!", doesn't he just mean that France invented those words, as in they are all French terms.[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 14:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == I don't think the mafia is an NPC ==
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| − | A casual mention on the blog in a very sarcastic tone doesn't make the entire mafia an NPC. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 07:11, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | *I don't think it was even supposed to be the Mafia, I thought the joke was they had gone to an Italian Resturant assuming, because they were Italian, they were mobsters and didn't bother to listen to them because they were to busy eating. Then later just made up alot of mostly incorrect terms they had vaguly heard in connection to thye mob.[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 14:00, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :: Uh. Someone outta take it down. --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 14:01, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::: done[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 14:09, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == poopy joe ==
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| − | ok so this is really evidence that portal II is in the TF2 universe. cave johnson mentions the 1968senate hearing on missing astronauts. poopy joe is a missing astronaut. COInCIDENCE???
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| − | [[User:The ASHPD|The ASHPD]] 14:14, 6 July 2011 (PDT)The_ASHPD
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| − | Coincidence? Yeah. [[User:Noizeblaze|Noizeblaze]] 14:37, 6 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | Still though, VALVe does throw a lot of references into their games. [[User:The ASHPD|The ASHPD]] 23:20, 8 July 2011 (PDT)The_ASHPD
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| − | I don't know if it's just me, but I'm just sitting here picturing Poopy Joe pooping in to a Portal and hitting Chell with his poop and I'm just laughing my ass off here. [[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 23:24, 8 July 2011 (PDT) | |
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| − | ASPHD, I think you're reading too far into this. Astronauts go missing all the time, have you never seen star Wars?
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| − | Noizeblaze, yeah.
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| − | ASPHD also a yeah.
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| − | SilverHammer... no. Please no. =/ '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|Blether]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|Contreebs]])</small> 19:27, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == The Mann Co. Gorilla ==
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| − | Anyone object to removing this section? It is an ''unnamed'' animal, of which I have seen around a dozen in the storyline that have not been put in this article. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] 23:10, 6 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :{{c|support}} Eh, go ahead, it really doesn't seem important at all, nor does it contribute to the canon in any way. [[User:Shane Alvarado|Shane Alvarado]] 23:30, 6 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Jerry, Giuseppe, Dublin Society? ==
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| − | These people only appear once in the storyline and in small portions that most rational human beings would forget in seconds, or not even notice. Are these really necessary? [[File:Painted_Vintage_Merryweather_803020.png|24px|link=User talk:Fyahweather]][[User:Flamborsia|<span style="text-shadow:orange 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Fyahweather'''</u></big></tt></font></span>]] 20:15, 8 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Historical Figures? ==
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| − | Why have half of them been deleted and the other half kept? What is the rational behind the half deletion?[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 07:47, 17 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :Someone decided, that they're not important. I actually am against that. Small historical facts were pretty funny. Hey, everyone else! Should we return not so important historical figures back? '''[[User:GordonFrohman|<span style="color:#32CD32;font-size:15px;font-family:'TF2 Build';text-shadow:#000000 1px 1px 0px;">Limie Pie</span>]]''' [[Image:Painted Sign of the Wolf's School 32CD32.png|25px|link=User:GordonFrohman]] 07:51, 17 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::What I didn't understand was why some were kept and some deleted. For instance, why was Isaac Newton deleted and Willaim Prescott kept? It just seemed arbitary.[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 03:48, 18 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Apple store manager is Steve Jobs? ==
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| − | I thought this was the joke in the comic? The fact that we don't see his face, the black turtleneck, the reference to "curvy" things... it seems pretty obvious that this was supposed to be the gag. I tried editing it last night, though, and it got reverted, so I thought I'd bring it up here. <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:ConcernedCitizen|ConcernedCitizen]]''' ([[User talk:ConcernedCitizen|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/ConcernedCitizen|contribs]]) 15:42, 22 October 2011</small>
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| − | :Speculation isn't exactly significant enough to put in a character's profile. [[User:CidTheNinja|CidTheNinja]] 23:19, 31 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::It's not really 'speculation' though, is it? It's clearly Steve Jobs, that's the entire point of the joke. He's wearing a black turtleneck. A normal Apple Store Manager would be unable to authorise the sale of the company. Saxton recognises him and his favoured mode of design, hence the 'curvy stink' line- unless this is a very, very elaborate joke and the manager is in fact Johnathan Ive. [[User:LordJusticeLeveson|LordJusticeLeveson]] 04:07, 23 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :::It is speculation. Don't add that to the article again. [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 04:12, 23 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | ::::I've no wish to get into an edit war here and you are clearly passionate about this, but you are way off the mark. Firstly, it isn't speculation to point out a clear reference. Next you'll be saying that the new 'Urban Professional' set has nothing to do with the film Leon, even though it is a clear reference to that film. Secondly, there's no need to threaten people, and there's no need to be unpleasant. Did you really need to write "(it's not external if it's part of the wiki, whoever added this should be punched in the face for ignorance)"? [[User:LordJusticeLeveson|LordJusticeLeveson]] 16:43, 27 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Bombinomicon doesn't qualify as a character? ==
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| − | He's a sentient talking book, so I think he should qualify as a character. [[User:CidTheNinja|CidTheNinja]] 23:19, 31 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | :It might be because a page about it/him already exists.[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 04:47, 1 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | == Merasmus ==
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| − | "When the RED Demoman was seven years old, his mother told him that the dead rose on All Hallow's Eve and would have work for him."
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| − | Uh... what is this sentence even trying to say?
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| − | [[User:Gold|Gold]] 09:35, 17 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :The dead rose, as in the dead did rise. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 10:01, 17 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Poopy Joe Main Article ==
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| − | Does it seem like Poopy Joe has accrued enough source material to merit and produce a full article from, considering the recent easter egg content? [[User:The Grand Karkasmolen|The Grand Karkasmolen]] 06:49, 27 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Zepheniah Mann ==
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| − | I don't get it, how come Zephieniah wrote the testament on his own skin? that's gross, but in the pic it looks like real paper, so i still don't get why it says that. [[User:MrGcCc|<span style="font-size:13px;line-height:16px;font-family:TF2 Build;sans-serif;" class="qua_vintage">Mr GcCc</span>]] 10:15, 27 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | Skin when prepared properly and dried resembles a cross between leather and paper. Haven't you ever seen skin bound books? [[User:Roaper|Roaper]] 10:55, 6 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Merging "Poopy Joe" Section with "Mann Co. Monkeynautics"? ==
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| − | I think that we could merge those sections, because they seem to say the same thing (about the Poopy Joe incident). [[User:Foxontherails|foxontherails]] 04:12, 7 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Gray ==
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| − | So clicking the stain on the Team Fortress 2 logo on their offical site takes you to this: http://www.teamfortress.com/gray/
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| − | So can we all declare now that the person ripped from the Mann Portrait is his third son Gray (the spectator) --[[User:André the Accelerator|André the Accelerator]] 19:13, 9 August 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :Seems like it--[[User:Godisme|Godisme]] 19:22, 9 August 2012 (PDT)
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| − | ::Patience Meriweather (midwife) sounds like a fitting name and role for the past version of Mrs. Pauling. [[User:Daisuke|Daisuke]] 19:30, 9 August 2012 (PDT)
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| − | Discussion point on theories: Should there or should there not be any theory based discussion on Gray Mann at this point? Currently there is a sentence proposing the man in the middle of the [http://www.teamfortress.com/screamfortress/family_portrait/ torn Mann family portrait] is Gray Mann which has survived multiple edits. However, attempts to add another theory that the third Life Extender Machine in [http://www.teamfortress.com/loosecanon/13.html Loose Canon] was built for Gray Mann have been removed. Both have evidence pointing to their possible credibility (the man in the photo is probably wearing gray, the first letter of the recipient of the Life Extender Machine is a G/C shape), but both are completely theoretical at this time. Long story short, should we remove both theories (and any additional ones until we get actual facts), or would it be permissible to add the theory regarding the Life Extender Machine back in?
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| − | :I don't know, but, still, it's getting more obvious that the person in the picture is Gray, but, still, the life extender machine ... well. idk. But I don't think we should add the theory about the Life Extender Machine. <span style="background-color:Silver; border: solid black; {{border-radius}}">[[User:Mio|<span style="color:Black" title="Mio">'''Mio'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Mio|<span style="color:Black" title="Talk?">Talk?!?</span>]] </sup>[[File:Killicon conniver's kunai.png]]</span> 19:44, 10 August 2012 (PDT)
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| − | ::Wasn't there a third Life Extender Machine built and given to an unknown recipient? Or maybe this is part of Mann vs Machine, where Gray could have built his own and his own Robotic Team to fight RED and BLU for control of their father's land? Maybe these Robots will be a neutral threat that will attack the nearest player of the other team? [[User:NeoSlith|NeoSlith]] 00:14, 11 August 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :::That's why I'm thinking that we shouldn't add the theory about the 3rd Life Extender machine. Too much theories. <span style="background-color:Silver; border: solid black; {{border-radius}}">[[User:Mio|<span style="color:Black" title="Mio">'''Mio'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Mio|<span style="color:Black" title="Talk?">Talk?!?</span>]] </sup>[[File:Killicon conniver's kunai.png]]</span> 08:41, 11 August 2012 (PDT)
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| − | Should we update the link to Zephenniah Mann's last will to match the latest version put out by Valve? http://www.teamfortress.com/mannwill/ -[[User:MartianSanta|MartianSanta]] 14:09, 11 August 2012 (PDT)
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