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== Unused upgrade station music ==
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Not 100% sure about it but it seems there's some unused music for the upgrade station in tf/sound/items/tf_music_upgrade_machine.wav Might want to add it to the page if it was intended for it. [[User:ErroR|ErroR]] 03:40, 20 August 2012 (PDT)
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:Unfortunately, we don't know exactly where the sound will be used, if ever. Pity really, it's quite catchy.
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:Also, please add new topics to the bottom of talk pages.[[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 03:49, 20 August 2012 (PDT)
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::Dang, sorry about that. Again. [[User:ErroR|ErroR]] 08:08, 20 August 2012 (PDT)
 
  
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== suggestion: different organization ==
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== Freaky Fair and this article ==
  
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just a suggestion but here is how I might do the whole page it if I knew proper wiki syntax
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I don't think we should cover anything from Freaky Fair in this article. This article is covering the mechanic in Mann vs. Machine, and restructing this entire article to constantly mention "In Mann vs. Machine" to make sure people know we don't mean Freaky Fair would be tiresome to read. I suggest we, instead, put an {{tl|Other uses}} on the article.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
  
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: I agree. Seems kinda silly to reword the whole page to shoehorn in Freaky Fair. I think {{tl|Other uses}} seems sufficient. [[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Mediarch'''}}]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[User talk:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Talk'''}}]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''My Edits'''}}]] 18:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
  
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=== CLASS-LESS UPGRADES ===
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::{{c|+|Agreed}} Makes sense to me, anything pertaining to the upgrade station and upgrades themselves on Freaky Fair should really just be on the Freaky Fair page itself given its unique to the one map.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 00:14, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
  
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:::{{pro}} Will make even less sense after halloween is over and it's relegated to community server play only (if at all). [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 08:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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== Icons? ==
  
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(exclude the metal regen one)
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Every upgrade has an icon that goes with it.  I say we include these, since we need as much information as possible.<br>[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 17:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
  
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:I don't think we need as much information as possible, that ends up in a bloated table. Most icons are achievement icons, so it's not much special. I'd have to see an example of what it would look like before judging.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
  
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=== BASIC WEAPON UPGRADES ===
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::Maybe add them to the Gallery, similar to the [[Freaky Fair#Gallery|Freaky Fair]] article (possibly with tabs)? - [[User:BrazilianNut|BrazilianNut]] ([[User talk:BrazilianNut|talk]]) 18:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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(divided into sections for each upgradable statistic, includes stats like damage or reload speed only)
 
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==== DAMAGE ====
 
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description of what upgrading this stat does, if it isn't obvious.
 
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INSERT BELOW a table like this, edited to include weapons this upgrade is available for
 
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{{Bullet hitscan weapons table}}
 
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In this case there are two separate damage upgrades for explosives and for scout/sniper/pyro, so there could be a second set of tables for that.
 
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=== CLASS/WEAPON SPECIFIC UPGRADES ===
 
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Here use a similar format but for upgrades like bullet penetration, destroy projectiles, medic & engineer upgrades, etc.
 
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sorry if this is hard to read, did my best.
 
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not sure if it's the best solution, it may be better just to say "soldier primary" or "jarate" but I felt like it would be great to know which weapons you could use which upgrades on
 
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[[User:Stripedy|Stripedy]] 02:44, 16 August 2012 (PDT)
 
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== Melee damage upgrade on demoknights ==
 
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Demoknights can upgrade melee damage as long as you have a targe equipped.
 
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Proof: http://imgur.com/UtF1h
 
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[[User:Rocketscience|Rocketscience]] 00:17, 17 August 2012 (PDT)
 
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It seems like it would be the more logical choice a user might search for when looking for MVM upgrades.
 
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Likewise, the guidebook specifically mentions Upgrade Stations and there is yet to be a page detailing it.
 
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[[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 03:26, 17 August 2012 (PDT)
 
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* '''MOVE''' I don't see anything wrong with the idea, as long as the gameplay page is changed accordingly. [[User:WhosAsking|WhosAsking]] 10:30, 17 August 2012 (PDT)
 
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* {{c|Yes}} Definitely! Upgrade Station flows much more naturally, too. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Horseless Headless Horsemann's Head.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Something Special For Someone Special.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 14:12, 18 August 2012 (PDT)
 
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== Upgrade info on each weapon page ==
 
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While its nice to have this one page to find info about upgrades, perhaps in addition to this it would be nice, and more convenient, to have upgrade info for each weapon on its specific page. I know that it doesn't 100% have to do with this page, but I figure I should ask before doing something so drastic.
 
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--[[User:Andodel|Andodel]] 06:36, 17 August 2012 (PDT)
 
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:There's some discussion over [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Team_Fortress_Wiki:Discussion#MvM_Weapon_Upgrade_.2F_Class_Upgrade_plan.3F here] regarding design and implementation. [[File:User_Upgrade_Signature.png|link=User:Upgrade]] 13:36, 21 August 2012 (PDT)
 
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== Heavy Primary penetration levels ==
 
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If I'm not mistaken, for the miniguns, there are three levels of target penetration available, not one. --[[User:Itsacon|Itsacon]] 05:07, 20 August 2012 (PDT)
 
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Does it actually have an upgrade to cover the entire team, or just duration? In all my play-time, its only been in a short area, not in an area wide enough to do as the strategy page encourages and spread out, none the less an area wide enough to count as "everyone". [[User:Sinez|Sinez]] 16:51, 21 August 2012 (PDT)
 
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== Max levels per upgrade ==
 
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Inside the script that handles the max levels for MvM, each level is decided by what the highest percentage an upgrade can obtain. For example, the Stickybomb Launcher's firing rate can be upgraded to have up to 40% faster with four levels max, but when you equip the Scottish Resistance, you'll notice this upgrade changes to only give it an additional +10% faster firing rate with only a single level.
 
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In the script the firing rate can only reach +40% ("0.6" in the script) from the default percent. By default, the Scottish Resistance has +25% firing rate (0.75), with the max upgrade only allowing it to +35%.
 
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What I'm trying to say is should the Wiki display this differently instead of being a flat number?
 
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(By the way, this script file can be found in GCF directory ''root/tf/scripts/items/mvm_upgrades.txt'')
 
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[[User:Hummus|Hummus]] 07:38, 25 August 2012 (PDT)
 
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== Certain bugs I've posted and undos to them ==
 
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Can someone please confirm these? I've written this up and posted it on the wiki, making sure to test them thoroughly before doing so, yet it has gotten undo'd without a real reason. I am completely confident these are real bugs, but I don't want to get into some undo war over this, so I'm putting it here to get more support.
 
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*Upgrades can be bought and sold after leaving the station only during the first wave. Every other wave afterward will prevent you from selling upgrades had you left the station after making the purchase.
 
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*By changing a weapon via [[Loadout#Loadout|load out]] before walking up to the upgrade station, then buying a single upgrade will prevent you from buying or selling any upgrades, including the one just bought.
 
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**In the case of the Chargin' Targe and Splendid Screen, using this glitch will remove all upgrades for them.
 
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*The '''+25% Blast Resistance''' upgrade reduces self damage taken from [[Jumping#Soldier jumps|rocket jumps]] and [[Jumping#Demoman jumps|sticky jumps]].
 
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For the last one, the blast resistance is surely a bug, as the Chargin' Targe's blast damage resistance doesn't save you from some the Grenade Launcher's self damage.
 
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I hope this can be sorted out. [[User:Hummus|Hummus]] 17:22, 25 August 2012 (PDT)
 

Latest revision as of 18:40, 30 October 2024

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Freaky Fair and this article

I don't think we should cover anything from Freaky Fair in this article. This article is covering the mechanic in Mann vs. Machine, and restructing this entire article to constantly mention "In Mann vs. Machine" to make sure people know we don't mean Freaky Fair would be tiresome to read. I suggest we, instead, put an {{Other uses}} on the article.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 17:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Seems kinda silly to reword the whole page to shoehorn in Freaky Fair. I think {{Other uses}} seems sufficient. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.png ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 18:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Pictogram plus.png Agreed Makes sense to me, anything pertaining to the upgrade station and upgrades themselves on Freaky Fair should really just be on the Freaky Fair page itself given its unique to the one map.
Kibblekip T | C 00:14, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Pictogram plus.png  Will make even less sense after halloween is over and it's relegated to community server play only (if at all). Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 08:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Icons?

Every upgrade has an icon that goes with it. I say we include these, since we need as much information as possible.
User Slimyboi500 Logo.png User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg Talk Speech voice.png Contribs Wrench IMG.png Steam Steam tray.png 17:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't think we need as much information as possible, that ends up in a bloated table. Most icons are achievement icons, so it's not much special. I'd have to see an example of what it would look like before judging.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 17:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Maybe add them to the Gallery, similar to the Freaky Fair article (possibly with tabs)? - BrazilianNut (talk) 18:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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