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| | + | == Victory of '68 == |
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| − | == More hats ==
| + | I did that bad? :( |
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| | + | Apologizing [[User:Mikado282|Mikado282]] ([[User talk:Mikado282|talk]]) 19:26, 2 April 2014 (PDT) |
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| − | I have more hats than you. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 21:13, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
| + | :Accepting of apology. --'''[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]]''' 19:29, 2 April 2014 (PDT) |
| − | :Smashman is quite humble [[User:Nineaxis|Nineaxis]] 21:16, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Let me [[User:En Ex#Boxes of Unique|axe]] you a question. -- [[User:En Ex|En Ex]] 21:58, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Allow me to make a [[User:Smashman#Community Knife|point]], En Ex. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 22:13, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
| + | == Odin Reference in War! == |
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| − | ::::Come ova here, I promise I vill ''[[User:Nineaxis#User Boxes|heal]]'' you. -- [[User:Nineaxis|Nineaxis]] 22:23, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
| + | In what way terrible? [[User:Mikado282|Mikado282]] ([[User talk:Mikado282|talk]]) 21:11, 17 April 2014 (PDT) |
| − | I haz double your hats --[[User:Firestorm|<font color=#FF6600><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></font>]] 19:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
| + | It was researched, referenced, and factual? |
| | + | :Do you disagree with the Odin reference? [[User:Mikado282|Mikado282]] ([[User talk:Mikado282|talk]]) 21:20, 17 April 2014 (PDT) |
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| − | ::How could you craft the Toque away, how :'( [[User:A Sassy Dog|A Sassy Dog]] 17:58, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
| + | Patiently permit me to restart (without the indenture). |
| − | :::I stopped using it once I got the Rag. Besides, I really wanted a Sniper hat and trading hadn't been announced.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 21:10, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
| + | I hope that you will reconsider my Odin trivia, at least in the core premise, or at least help me revise it to be acceptable. |
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| − | == Image categories ==
| + | I believe I can reasonably expect that you can recognize that the statue in WAR! is in reference to Odin. Perhaps the main Odin reference isn’t the problem. But let me back up a bit. |
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| − | It's good that you are putting in licensing information with uploads. You also need to add them to a proper category, like <nowiki>[[Category:Item name images/fr]]</nowiki>. You can copy that in the summary field before the upload. If you don't do it, I have to come along after you and fix it up. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 23:48, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
| + | When I first saw the MONOCULUS, it immediately reminded me of the [http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109250/2249285-ThorDurability19-Heat292.jpg Odin’s Eye] monster from ''The Mighty Thor'' series. I admit, the coincidence of one-eyed god and a one-eyed mercenary slipped past me at that time. I have read WAR! comic a few times, I’m embarrassed to say that I missed the that the statue is Odin for so long. And how fitting is it to place a god of war in a comic titled War!? But on page 14, they shove it in your face, eye-to-eye, as it were! |
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| − | You also need to put item name images licensed as public domain. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 23:50, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
| + | But then, why even place the shield with the statue? Ravens and spear? Yes. ''Ravens and spear'' is how you tell the reader that the statue is supposed to be Odin. But did Odin have a famous shield? I am not sure that he did. But even if he did, why put a MONOCULUS-like eye on the shield, when a symbol for the Eye of Odin (cross over a circle) resembles the TF2 trademark? |
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| − | :-sure thing--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 23:52, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
| + | OK, |
| | + | #A God of War statue in a comic titled WAR! Fitting, yes, but why? Wouldn’t any old statue do for the beheading demo? Why not a famous statue? Michelangelo’s David? Or Rodan’s Thinker? No. ''Who'' the statue is is important here. |
| | + | #Not Mars, not Ares, with their heads full of eyeballs, but the one-eyed boozer Odin. |
| | + | #Both Odin and Demoman have an eye removed. ''OK''. ''That'' explains the selection of Odin. |
| | + | #But wait, both of the removed eyes become giant flame/eye bomb shooting monsters!?!? |
| | + | #The inexplicable eye on the shield. '''WHY? ''' An eye on a shield is not an Odin thing. That shape of that eye is not a Norse or Medieval style. That eye looks like no eye in Heraldry; ''but'', it looks like MONOCULUS. |
| | + | So, I hope you can consider that, at the face of it, at least the placement of the Odin reference at Demoman’s house was deliberate. OK, comparing their notorious drinking habits, weak. But, were the publishers thinking of Odin's Eye and MONOCULUS at that time? Not absolutely certain, but the eye on the shield is at least an interesting coincidence. |
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| − | == Hidden attributes ==
| + | Thank you for your consideration. [[User:Mikado282|Mikado282]] ([[User talk:Mikado282|talk]]) 00:08, 18 April 2014 (PDT) |
| | + | :You are reading too far into things.--'''[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]]''' 13:32, 18 April 2014 (PDT) |
| | + | ::I should have thought "Reading into things" is part of the point of subtle references. Let's take a simpler point. Help me understand, how is it interpreted that the Odin reference of page any less noteworthy than the Meet the Spy references of page 1 or 2 or the gunboat pose of page 3? Was my first error that I didn't realize that most readers would have recognized Odin on their own but not Meet the Spy? [[User:Mikado282|Mikado282]] ([[User talk:Mikado282|talk]]) 15:50, 18 April 2014 (PDT) |
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| − | There are no "visible" hidden attributes. If a particular weapon has hidden attributes, such as the Backburner and it's inability to crit, it should be indicated in the article not the infobox. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 05:53, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
| + | == Undo == |
| − | :So far the hidden attribute feature is really just meant for the [[Ban Hammer]]. It's not for stuff like the Backburner not critting and things like that.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 05:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Ah, makes sense. Thanks. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 07:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Featured article ==
| + | Hmm why? That's a visible attribute now and appears in the game and steam inventory. — The preceding assigned comment was added by '''[[User:Tark|Tark]]''' '''{'''[[User talk:Tark|Finish Him!]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Tark|Contribs]]'''}''' 12:19, 12 July 2015 (PDT) |
| − | Please read over [[Team Fortress Wiki:Projects/Featured articles|this page]]. Thanks. -- [[User:En_Ex|En Ex]] {{bur}} <sub>([[User_talk:En_Ex|talk]])</sub> 01:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
| + | :Yeah I know, I checked.--'''[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]]''' 12:50, 12 July 2015 (PDT) |
| − | :Seb was the one who nominated it, but was told to wait until the 24th.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 01:05, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::I'm going based on what I'm seeing on the page I linked you to. I'll talk to Seb later. In any event, if that's the case, then changing the article would be Seb's job, or another admin's. I have no idea why that page wasn't protected. -- [[User:En_Ex|En Ex]] {{bur}} <sub>([[User_talk:En_Ex|talk]])</sub> 01:09, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Yeah most front page templates should be locked for cohesiveness. Luckily for you I brought this to your attention. ;)--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 01:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::What about [[:Template:Updates]] and [[:Template:Featured banner]] then? Guess I'll protect them too. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] {{adm}} 01:53, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::Good thinking, I was just going to suggest that.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 01:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC) | |
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| − | == Weapon damage stats == | + | == Context of quote on Strange page == |
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| − | Now that I see a lot of weapons use links to other weapons instead of showing stats directly, I'm unsure about what the policy is. I personally think all pages should have stats, which isn't that hard to maintain (it's not like there's 10 kinds of pistols and that they change its damage stats every week). Regardless, this shouldn't be an issue if/when we get SMW. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] {{adm}} 00:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
| + | Why did you remove the context I added on [[Strange]]? There's nothing wrong with it and it aids the reader's understanding of the Scout's question. [[User:Hail Fellow Well Met|Hail Fellow Well Met]] ([[User talk:Hail Fellow Well Met|talk]]) 16:28, 17 September 2015 (PDT) |
| − | :I, too, am unsure on the policy. But in the meantime I'd like to make it look consitant, so I added the stats to the sam&max weapons too.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 01:07, 1 September 2010 (UTC) | + | :Because the quote works fine without the flavor text, it doesn't need to have the context spelled out. --'''[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]]''' 23:00, 17 September 2015 (PDT) |
| − | ::Yes, that's how I noticed the inconsistency. [[Media:Heavy goodjob03.wav|You did well]] :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] {{adm}} 01:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | =="Forza della Natura"== | + | == Emergency wiki cap nomination meeting 1.0 == |
| − | Hi, just asking, did the unlockable old italian translations were resumed? When I updated the Scout page I saw that Force-a-Nature was not translated in the TF_ITALIAN.TXT file. Now I saw you put "Forza Della Natura" back. (BTW, are you italian?)--[[User:Kid Of The Century|Kid Of The Century]] 15:11, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
| + | A user hit 1 year in nomination queue due to lack of staff votes. We held an emergency meeting in IRC on Tuesday, May 17, and the result was [[Team_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Cap/Nominations#Emergency meeting 1.0|this]]. Piemanmoo, please provide some feedback! [[User:Darkid|'''<span style="color: #db9c1f">Darkid</span>''']] « [[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color: #75735F">Talk</span>]] — [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color: #BA0000">Contribs</span>]] » 22:13, 17 May 2016 (PDT) |
| − | :I'm not quite sure what you're asking. The Forza Della Natura name was based on the tf2items files. And yes I'm part italian, part canadian, so I am very hairy.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 18:41, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::AFAIK Valve removed the translated unlockable weapon names from the TF_ITALIAN.TXT file, getting rid of the odd names such as "Forza della Natura" "Karavaso" (jarate) and "Cipollotto Letale" (dead ringer) to name a few. I asked why put that back, and if Valve did reinstate them in recent update.--[[User:Kid Of The Century|Kid Of The Century]] 15:20, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Well the TF_ITALIAN file still references the unlockable names, both in achievments and by themselves, so that's why they were translated here.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 17:31, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Spanish audio == | + | == Message from Lagg: == |
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| − | # [[Hadouken/es]]
| + | Due to how long reviews are taking for Jew, ClockworkSpirit, and myself, we wants you to PM your review for him to be used as a proxy to move the voting process along. Contact him for details. --[[File:User Dr. Scaphandre Golden Ghastly Gibus.png|50px|link=User talk:Dr. Scaphandre]] [[User:Dr. Scaphandre|<font color="FFDF00"><big>''Dr. Scaphandre''</big></font>]] 19:55, 29 August 2016 (PDT) |
| − | # [[Killer's Kabuto/es]]
| + | :okay, I'll contact him on steam--'''[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]]''' 15:13, 30 August 2016 (PDT) |
| − | # [[Pyro/es]]
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| − | # [[Safe'n'Sound/es]]
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| − | [[User:Seb26|<font color="#0B61A4">'''seb26'''</font>]] [[User talk:Seb26|<span style="font-size:95%;">[talk]</span>]] 07:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I really thanks your help, but please, don't translate into spanish, normally I have to re-write the articles D: But anyway, thanks! Specially for the sounds.--[[User:Sr_Domi|Sr_Domi]] 21:47, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I'll tell you what, I'll just use text from tf_spanish.txt to translate the bulk of the pages, and any text that's directly not from in-game you'll be free to translate. No sense in either of us working too hard, right? Also, new comments stay at the bottom of talk pages. Thanks, and have fun editing!--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 21:54, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::I'm ok with that, but some hats, like [[Ze Goggles/es|Laz Gafaz]] has gramaticals errors that makes my eyes bleed. I dont want to annoy you, but the best you can do is nothing. Normally I hace to rewrite the 90% of your work. Sorry, but Im no kidding.--[[User:Sr_Domi|Sr_Domi]] 22:12, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Well, then you're welcome for me saving you that 10% ;). --[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 22:15, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::That was a Joke. The 99% of your work is wirng in too ways. Stop trying to translate: you are delaying my work. You have no idea. Cuando entiendas por ti mismo esta frase, ponte a traducir. No quiero ser molesto, ni fastidiarte ni nada. Pero es que, demonios, estas haciendo paginas y paginas con solo uno o dos cambios respecto a la version inglesa. Para ya, no es nada serio. Te lo agradeceria. {{unsigned|Sr Domi}}
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| − | :::::Please sign your comments with <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>. También, por favor venga a nuestro canal de IRC. --[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 19:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::Where? (oh, and that line in Spanish is wrong)--[[User:Sr_Domi|Sr_Domi]] 20:33, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Hey, I think that looking on how we translate, your spanish its a bit better! Thanks for fixing some words on the Sound'n'safe, this is the way that the thing needs to be doing :D--[[User:Sr_Domi|Sr_Domi]] 12:09, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Seriously, whats the point of creating new articles if you arent gong to work on it? Whats the point on editing if you dont have too much idea? I dont ge it. Its pointless. --[[User:Sr Domi|Sr Domi]] 11:26, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::You yourself said you wanted to be the one to translate the main text of the page, so I'm leaving that part so you can look over it yourself. Maybe if you spent more time translating and less time complaining they wouldn't be unfinished.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 19:46, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Sorry? For God's Sake, you dont have any idea of what I'm working on! I translate and edit a lot of articles every day, and Im the lider of a steam group translating the wiki, helping every time they need me, fixing his bugs or errors. Second, there is a lot of articles that need more attention than the main page. Third, if you spent more time doing things the right way and less time making problems, you wouldn't be "attacked". So, the next time, please, think, insteed of trying to be the one who is right. This is not a fight or a game: this is a serious proyect of translating. And it will be faster if you could do a good job on the spanish wiki. You cant do it right? Dont do it. Because... why I dont translate the french, japanese or korean wiki? Why only the spanish? Because is the thing that I can do it right: translating with some help. Can you say the same? --[[User:Sr Domi|Sr Domi]] 22:37, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Calm down.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 23:22, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Hello Piemanmoo. I am translating the spanish wiki and I would like to ask you two things, if you would let me to ^^ As Sr_Domi has requested, try not translating and opening new articles because it's going the wrong way. While I think you are doing it for good, it's actually not working very well because spanish is hard. For instance, I've found lots of errors related to gender and number agreement. I know that you want to help, so that is why I am asking you the second thing. Sr_Domi has told me that you have uploaded sound files and images, and that's how you can be TRULY useful for our project. Also, he told me that you've corrected some silly errors, and it would also be nice if you kept up with that.[[User:Leblinski|Leblinski]] 22:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :If that is how I can help, I'll be glad to do so. See, a little politness can go a long way.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 22:54, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Hi, im new in the Wiki, so I want to help to make articles in Spanish. Why?. Well, I live in country where Spanis is the natal language, so i want to help to do the new articles. If you speak spanish read more, is not, only ignore me.
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| − | Como no soy muy bueno hablando ingles y lo demuestra la parte de arriba, trate de hacer nuevos articulos en español basados en las traducciones del juego y unas mas. Pero me encontre con el serio problema de que los nombres de las armas en español no existen, asi que mi pregunta es. ¿que tipo de letra es esa de las armas y que tamaño?
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| − | Gracias [[User:Cabrakan|Cabrakan]] 1:00, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Hi,again. Firts thanks for the Lugermorfa's image for the name, so i want to request more images. I make three more articles in spanish: Pistola de jeringas, Blutsauger, Pistola médica. Also i modifique the weapons templete and the weapons main page.
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| − | gracias [[User:Cabrakan|Cabrakan]] 1:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Hi Piemanmoo, Can you tell me please where you got the term "grandes daños dispersión" for High Damage Falloff. This is clearly a literal translation of "big, hurt, dispertion" which babelfish and google translate do not understand, it doesn't work and it sticks out a mile. If you could please not provide literal translation when you are unsure of the correct term, further could you not provide curt alteration comments such as "what a mess". If it's a mess it's because it's in its draft stage and I'm saving it to go make myself a cup of tea. Something more constructive such as "swapped out translation of classes back to english", that would be more helpful.
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| − | [[User:UltimateTerabyte|'''''UltimateTerabyte''''']] 00:50, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Google translate and Bablefish are not reliable translation services, otherwise translating pages would be much much easier. The "what a mess" comment was in regards to the poorly formed wiki syntax and translations. Also, we use translations based on the in-game language files, so class names are always in english. If you have any questions about translating pages, let me know. --[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] {{mod}} 01:50, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Well don't that beat all. No, that totally didn't happen because you mentioned it in the OTFWH group chat. :D — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] {{adm}} 06:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I have <i>no idea</i> what you are talking about, good sir. ;) --[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] {{mod}} 07:24, 3 October 2010 (UTC) | |
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Victory of '68
I did that bad? :(
Apologizing Mikado282 (talk) 19:26, 2 April 2014 (PDT)
- Accepting of apology. --Piemanmoo 19:29, 2 April 2014 (PDT)
Odin Reference in War!
In what way terrible? Mikado282 (talk) 21:11, 17 April 2014 (PDT)
It was researched, referenced, and factual?
- Do you disagree with the Odin reference? Mikado282 (talk) 21:20, 17 April 2014 (PDT)
Patiently permit me to restart (without the indenture).
I hope that you will reconsider my Odin trivia, at least in the core premise, or at least help me revise it to be acceptable.
I believe I can reasonably expect that you can recognize that the statue in WAR! is in reference to Odin. Perhaps the main Odin reference isn’t the problem. But let me back up a bit.
When I first saw the MONOCULUS, it immediately reminded me of the Odin’s Eye monster from The Mighty Thor series. I admit, the coincidence of one-eyed god and a one-eyed mercenary slipped past me at that time. I have read WAR! comic a few times, I’m embarrassed to say that I missed the that the statue is Odin for so long. And how fitting is it to place a god of war in a comic titled War!? But on page 14, they shove it in your face, eye-to-eye, as it were!
But then, why even place the shield with the statue? Ravens and spear? Yes. Ravens and spear is how you tell the reader that the statue is supposed to be Odin. But did Odin have a famous shield? I am not sure that he did. But even if he did, why put a MONOCULUS-like eye on the shield, when a symbol for the Eye of Odin (cross over a circle) resembles the TF2 trademark?
OK,
- A God of War statue in a comic titled WAR! Fitting, yes, but why? Wouldn’t any old statue do for the beheading demo? Why not a famous statue? Michelangelo’s David? Or Rodan’s Thinker? No. Who the statue is is important here.
- Not Mars, not Ares, with their heads full of eyeballs, but the one-eyed boozer Odin.
- Both Odin and Demoman have an eye removed. OK. That explains the selection of Odin.
- But wait, both of the removed eyes become giant flame/eye bomb shooting monsters!?!?
- The inexplicable eye on the shield. WHY? An eye on a shield is not an Odin thing. That shape of that eye is not a Norse or Medieval style. That eye looks like no eye in Heraldry; but, it looks like MONOCULUS.
So, I hope you can consider that, at the face of it, at least the placement of the Odin reference at Demoman’s house was deliberate. OK, comparing their notorious drinking habits, weak. But, were the publishers thinking of Odin's Eye and MONOCULUS at that time? Not absolutely certain, but the eye on the shield is at least an interesting coincidence.
Thank you for your consideration. Mikado282 (talk) 00:08, 18 April 2014 (PDT)
- You are reading too far into things.--Piemanmoo 13:32, 18 April 2014 (PDT)
- I should have thought "Reading into things" is part of the point of subtle references. Let's take a simpler point. Help me understand, how is it interpreted that the Odin reference of page any less noteworthy than the Meet the Spy references of page 1 or 2 or the gunboat pose of page 3? Was my first error that I didn't realize that most readers would have recognized Odin on their own but not Meet the Spy? Mikado282 (talk) 15:50, 18 April 2014 (PDT)
Undo
Hmm why? That's a visible attribute now and appears in the game and steam inventory. — The preceding assigned comment was added by Tark {Finish Him! ▪ Contribs} 12:19, 12 July 2015 (PDT)
- Yeah I know, I checked.--Piemanmoo 12:50, 12 July 2015 (PDT)
Context of quote on Strange page
Why did you remove the context I added on Strange? There's nothing wrong with it and it aids the reader's understanding of the Scout's question. Hail Fellow Well Met (talk) 16:28, 17 September 2015 (PDT)
- Because the quote works fine without the flavor text, it doesn't need to have the context spelled out. --Piemanmoo 23:00, 17 September 2015 (PDT)
Emergency wiki cap nomination meeting 1.0
A user hit 1 year in nomination queue due to lack of staff votes. We held an emergency meeting in IRC on Tuesday, May 17, and the result was this. Piemanmoo, please provide some feedback! Darkid « Talk — Contribs » 22:13, 17 May 2016 (PDT)
Message from Lagg:
Due to how long reviews are taking for Jew, ClockworkSpirit, and myself, we wants you to PM your review for him to be used as a proxy to move the voting process along. Contact him for details. --
Dr. Scaphandre 19:55, 29 August 2016 (PDT)
- okay, I'll contact him on steam--Piemanmoo 15:13, 30 August 2016 (PDT)
