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| − | I think that this one is a bit funnier.
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| − | {{Quotation|'''The Soldier'''|Each and every one of you will be sent home to your momma in a box!|sound=Soldier_taunts11.wav}} | + | | arc1link = Talk:Mann Co. Supply Crate/Archive 1 |
| − | [[User:SShaDOhsS|[] /shadow/sShaD'OhsS]] 05:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :No. This is already used on the [[Black Box]] page. The wiki just seems vain if it uses the same quotes over and over again.--[[User:Focusknock|Focusknock]] 08:41, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|No}} I agree with Focusknock. That quote is already being used for the Black Box, and frankly it is better suited to that page. Also, "Hippo-crates" never gets old! -- [[User:Alex2539|Alex2539]] 08:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
| + | The quote at the top of the article is broken. Not sure how I would fix it. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 00:22, 18 November 2023 (UTC) |
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| − | == Description ==
| + | :Looks fine on my end.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 09:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC) |
| − | You need a [[Mann Co. Supply Crate Key]] to open this. You can pick one up at the [[Mann Co. Store]].
| + | ::For some reason, it might just be how the page loaded that day... [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 04:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC) |
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| − | "This crate contains one of the items listed in its description. To unlock the crate and retrieve the item, you must use a [[Mann Co. Supply Crate Key]], which can be purchased inside the [[ Mann Co. Store]]. These crates contain one of the rarest and most valuable items in the game, so cross your fingers before you unlock them!" Mann Co. Catalog
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| − | == How is it obtained? ==
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| − | Is it found through drops?--[[User:Jordan|Jordan]] 10:59, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Yes I just got one dropped. Now I just need a key... [[User:Dzjudz|Dzjudz]] 15:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::The crates drop randomly, the keys to open them are purchase-only. -[[User:RJackson|<span style="background-color:#FF0000;color:white;font-size:0.7em;padding: 0 2px;">RJ</span>]]{{mod}} 15:50, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == How is it randomized? ==
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| − | Does each item have the same chance of being uncrated, or is there a weighted system?--[[User:Gatherto|Gatherto]]
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| − | :Maybe we should put a percentage table on the page so people can post what they got?--[[User:Corrderio|Corrderio]]
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| − | :: I collected some data from SPUF based on that
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| − | ::From what we got so far(114 samples) there is
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| − | ::38.59% chance of getting an old weapon
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| − | ::21.05% chance of getting a hat
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| − | ::20.17% chance of getting a paint can
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| − | ::9.64 % chance of getting a name tag
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| − | ::7.89 % chance of getting a polycount weapon
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| − | ::2.63 % chance of getting an unusual hat --[[User:Banished one|Banished one]] 10:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I'm not so sure that the data should be on the page just yet. It's still new, can we confirm those observations? --[[User:Fragment of Nothing|Fragment of Nothing]] 10:10, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I currently have a thread on the Steam forums [http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1483294] where I'm tallying up what people have opened so far. Currently, a total of 326 crates. I just hope it helps with the statistics. --[[User:Toahpt|Toahpt]] 17:07 7 October 2010 (EST)
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| − | As of 22:41, 7 October, There's a total of 687 crates tallied on my thread. I'm sure the number will continue to grow. --[[User:Toahpt|Toahpt]]
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| − | No, but the page does say "It may contain content that is inaccurate or undocumented" at the top. I thought we should have some numbers to give people a vague idea about what to expect from a crate.--[[User:Banished one|Banished one]] 10:22, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Out of the eight I have opened, 2 gunslingers, 2 scottish resistance, 2 black paint, 1 white paint, 1 old guadalajero. Hope that helps at all.[[User:Rhonlore|Rhonlore]] 01:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == What does it drop like? ==
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| − | Does it have the same drop rate as an item, a hat, or its own drop rate?--[[User:Gatherto|Gatherto]]
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| − | i'm not sure if it has it's own drop rate but certainly it's not as rare as a hat.--[[User:Banished one|Banished one]] 10:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I'm led to believe that the drop rate is similar if not the same as weapons... {{n}}[[User:Smashman|<span class="bur">Smashman</span>]]<sub> ([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> {{bur}} 11:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Drop rate table ==
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| − | Would it be possible to have in this section of the talk page a freely editable drop rate table based on what users get in the crate? For example, this is the data I have so far:
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| − | {| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 90%; text-align: center;"
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| − | ! Vita-Saw
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| − | | 46
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| − | | 8.7%
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| − | !Gunslinger
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| − | | 63
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| − | | 12.6%
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| − | !Equalizer
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| − | | 57
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| − | | 10%
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| − | !Scottish Resistance
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| − | | 57
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| − | | 11%
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| − | !Old Guadalajara
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| − | | 57
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| − | | 10.94%
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| − | !Napper's Respite
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| − | | 58
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| − | | 10.2%
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| − | !Name Tag
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| − | | 65
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| − | | 12.6%
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| − | !An Extraordinary Abundance of Tinge
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| − | | 58
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| − | | 11.3%
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| − | !A Distinctive Lack of Hue
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| − | | 53
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| − | | 10.2%
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| − | !Exceedingly Rare Special Item!
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| − | | 10
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| − | | 1.92%
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| − | <small>* Odds accurate as of 11:56PM UTC October 7.</small>
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| − | Sorry for making possibly the world's worst looking table but I wanted to make sure to post this so I didn't forget. [[User:Binerexis|Binerexis]] 22:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Good idea! Added my Napper's Respite. {{n}}[[User:Smashman|<span class="bur">Smashman</span>]]<sub> ([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> {{bur}} 22:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Will suffer horribly from sampling error. Just saying. -[[User:The Neotank|<font color="#FF8C00">'''The Neotank'''</font>]] ({{mod}}<small> | [[User talk:The Neotank|Talk]]</small>) [[File:User The Neotank Signeotank.jpg]] 23:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I can add a bit more anecdotal data, if that'll help: 2 Vita-Saw, 3 Scottish Resistance, 1 Gunslinger, 4 Napper's Respite, 2 Old Guadalajara, 2 Name Tag, 2 Distinct Lack of Hue. [[User:RukiTanuki|RukiTanuki]] 06:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | If someone could add a 'total' row and work out the percentage drop rate for the data collected so far (maybe make the table look better while they're at it) then I would be very, very grateful. Would do it myself but just sneaking a peak at work. [[User:Binerexis|Binerexis]] 12:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Jeez Bin, you should work on your Wiki ninja editing skills more :P
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| − | :::Added my black paint. I'll open my other crate later and improve the table in a bit. '''[[User:TheChrisD|<font color="green" face="Verdana">TheChrisD</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Rants</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Edits</font>]]</sup> 13:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Added data for 67 unboxings that have occurred on my servers since saturday, 67 unboxed out of a total of 271 dropped (8% of drops, the highest amount out of any item).--[[User:Geit|Geit]] 22:27, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | added my white paint drop [[User:RiVenoX|RiVenoX]] 02:23, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Old Guadalajara in my second crate, added odds for the moment. Probably don't need to update them every time you add something, maybe every 20 or so added, recalculate. '''[[User:TheChrisD|<font color="green" face="Verdana">TheChrisD</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Rants</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Edits</font>]]</sup> 04:00, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::Just got a vita- saw, didn't fix up the odds yet, just changed the vitasaw and total count
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| − | ::::::Added the items I've got from my 3 crates so far: Scottish Resistance, Scottish Resistance, Old Guadalajara--[[User:KefkaticFanatic|KefkaticFanatic]] 01:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::Added the items I got last night. 2 Scottish Resistance. (rage) -- [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 02:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Added an Equaliser an unlucky friend of mine got and re-did the odds. [[User:Binerexis|Binerexis]] 11:56, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : I've added 29 items opened by someone I saw at reddit. The video proof and link is [http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/dne46/watch_some_guy_open_30_crates_in_a_row/ here]. -- [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 08:16, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::New data added from http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1483294 --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 01:32, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Are these statistics taken from my thread on the Steam forums? [http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1483294] --[[User:Toahpt|Toahpt]]
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| − | :I don't think they were until Firestorm may have added them though. '''[[User:TheChrisD|<font color="green" face="Verdana">TheChrisD</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Rants</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Edits</font>]]</sup> 02:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::I've put together a Google Docs Spreadsheet based on the data in Toahpt's Steam forums thread. You can find it here: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Al0wGfkwkDDydHB2RzI0TXh3QTI1SXY0Y0Q3R0hWRVE&hl=en&authkey=CMj2p8QE It includes a breakdown by the item as well as their respective type. Comments and suggestions are welcome here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1496714 [[User:Schmoe|Schmoe]] 21:45, 10 October 2010 (UTC) | |
| − | :::That's a pretty good idea actually. It'd be a good idea to maybe start adding more alternate sources other than SPUF and YouTube to that sheet, although I'm not sure if we can use data on this page unless it's sanitized, given that I think data already from the SPUF thread has been added. Nonetheless, I'll see what I can dig up and add the data when I get the chance. '''[[User:TheChrisD|<font color="green" face="Verdana">TheChrisD</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Rants</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Edits</font>]]</sup> 04:20, 12 October 2010 (UTC) | |
| − | :::: I try to verify unusual drops based on the SPUF poster's steam community page and tf2items.com. If I can't verify the item I will either add the drop to the Data tab with a comment or ignore the poster if the odds of dropping the item are out of line with what the statistics show. So far I haven't seen a lot of trolling. [[User:Schmoe|Schmoe]] 15:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::: We can also add another set of worksheets to the spreadsheet that would only include youtube sources, however I think the dataset would be a lot smaller though 100% verifiable. So far my spreadsheet doesn't fall far off mark, but it would be interesting to compare them. [[User:Schmoe|Schmoe]] 16:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Added new rows from crate series 2 and data from the past couple of days on my servers--23:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | If this drop table is added to the main page, I believe it should be simplified to Weapons, Hats, Tools, and Unusual Hats. Just a thought, though. --[[User:Toahpt|Toahpt]]
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| − | :With the addition of the Series 2 crate, the table should be changed to reflect that if we assume that the drop rate is the same in every crate (which seems to be a fairly safe solution). The alternative would be to have a Series 1 table and a Series 2 table. The data from both of them (as in specific items) should NOT be on the same table as the percent chances will not be reflective of individual crates but rather if all items available had a chance of coming from every crate dropped. [[User:Binerexis|Binerexis]] 13:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | The new drop rate table only takes into account server logs? What methodology did you use to separate rare Series 1 and Series 2 drops? All in all it falls in line with the stats collected by the steam forum pages, but I think it assumes that rare drops are equally likely to occur in either series. Actually it looks like the SPUF posters must have overstated their Series 2 hat drops which falls in line with my expectations of human behavior. For example a user that opened 5 crates could have reported only one of the crates which the user was proud of. Same goes for rare items which is why I added another column for verified drops. Maybe I should extend it to more than just rare drops. [[User:Schmoe|Schmoe]] 16:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : I dug up Luigi30's SPUF post regarding this data. He was unable to account for how rare items dropped according to series. Could be minor, but it makes a large assumption. I've added a note regarding rare items to the drop rate table section. http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17708725&postcount=866
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| − | :: Also added a note regarding the assumption that crates drop uniformly across all series. In other words are series #1 dropping less often than #2? Does the server logs account for this? [[User:Schmoe|Schmoe]] 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Does series 1 still drop? ==
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| − | Does series 1 still drop? -[[User:Ravedave|Ravedave]] 01:53, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I just found one, but it seemed like it just hadn't propagated into my backpack correctly until I did a trade. Can somebody else confirm? --[[User:Qpingu|Qpingu]] 00:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Series 1 still drops. Not sure if this is a bug or if it is intentional. --[[User:Qpingu|Qpingu]] 00:27, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I have received series 1 crate today via the drop system[[User:Nooch|Nooch]] 04:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::[http://www.tf2items.com/id/noochman9?time=1286856089 Series 1 Crate]
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| − | Whenever I open a crate and then return to the game, the chat reads 'has unboxed', not 'has uncrated' as stated on this page. Is uncrated even a word?--[[User:Focusknock|Focusknock]] 08:42, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :It should be "unboxed", uncrated is probably a mistranslation. --[[User:Banished one|Banished one]] 19:36, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::The yellow text in the introduction is very ugly to read on a white background. Apparently the Font Color template doesn't work on the TF2 wiki. (at least, according to it failing on me) --[[User:AileTheAlien | AileTheAlien]] 21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Crate drops use a different distribution system ==
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| − | "Dropped crates do not count as part of the weekly drop cap, but are instead part of a different distribution system." Is there a source or reasoning for this?--[[User:Mechlord|Mechlord]] 00:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | -I believe there was an email from Robin regarding this, in which he stated it was on a different drop system, so those who rely on drops for items weren't left in the cold. [[User:Zombie James|Zombie James]] 16:37, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I would love to see a link to this email. It'll be informative and a good addition to the wiki. [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 02:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Doesn't this seem a bit odd? ==
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| − | It seems a bit odd that in Series #1, the two hats are the most commonly gained items, when hats are normally rare via the drop system... [[User:AbeX300|AbeX300]] 04:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Based on the data in the table above, it does seem that the new hats drop at a fair rate but the data isn't from the entire population of TF2 or even from a representative sample, it's just from people who have very kindly submitted their data. The more people we can get to submit data, the better. [[User:Binerexis|Binerexis]] 13:13, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Crates can drop crates? ==
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| − | See [http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1499362 SPUF thread]. The only report I've come across. Any confirmation?-[[User:RJackson|<span style="background-color:#FF0000;color:white;font-size:0.7em;padding: 0 2px;">RJ</span>]]{{mod}} 12:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :No crate has ever dropped a crate on my server. [[User:LuigiThirty|LuigiThirty]] 01:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Series 2 Drop Table ==
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| − | !L'Etranger
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| − | !The Black Box
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| − | !The ShortStop
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| − | !The Black Box
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| − | !Pugilist Protector
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| − | !Chieftain's Challenge
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| − | !Australium Gold
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| − | !A Deep Commitment to Purple
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| − | Please edit this table for any Crate Series 2 results you get. If it turns out that the odds in this table are similar to that in the Series 1 crates then we'll merge the data together to get percent chances of Weapon, Hat, Paint, Action Item and Unusual Hat. [[User:Binerexis|Binerexis]] 13:26, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Have there been any yet? [[User:Scatmanjohn|Scatmanjohn]] 14:21, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : No --[[User:Firestorm|<span style="text-shadow:orange 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}}</span> 14:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Drop rates and their factuality... ==
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| − | I really don't think we should rely on community feedback for the drop rates of items in crates. I just think a) the sample sizes are way too small to run a proper statistical analysis on, and b) it's too easily manipulated. I'd like to have a discussion on it, but '''my proposal is to disregard these unofficial statistics completely, as wiki editors'''. ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|t]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|c]])</sup> 03:31, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I added stats based on logs directly from my server (with a 5000+ crate sample size) and plugged them instead. The numbers look a lot more consistent now. [[User:LuigiThirty|LuigiThirty]] 01:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
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