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'''Griefing''' is the act of utilizing or abusing a game mechanic in ways originally unintended by the game's developers for the specific purpose of frustrating, angering, or otherwise negatively impacting the game experience of another player. Griefing can sometimes be difficult to pinpoint, because its defining subjective characteristic is the ''intent'' and not the action. An inexperienced player is not necessarily griefing unless their intention is to bother other players. Note that the lists below are non-exhaustive and do not capture every possible form of griefing.
  
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'''Griefing''' C'est d'abuser ou d'utiliser une mechanique de jeu qui sert à perturber l'experience des autres joueurs dans le jeu.
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Griefing is different from [[Hacking|cheating]]. Bug abuse and hacking can be griefing, but only when done specifically to disrupt another player's gameplay, and not when done simply to gain an unfair advantage.
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Griefing c'est bien différent "d'être un idiot." Une abusation d'un Bug peut être du griefing, mais seulement si ça gêne les autres joueurs, et pas seulemnt quand ça leur donne des avantages.
 
  
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== List of acts that are ''never'' griefing ==
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== Acts that do not constitute griefing ==
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*[[Camping]]. Camping les lieu comme les spawns, les teleporteurs et autres.
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The following are normal behaviors in the game and, while some of these are discouraged, should be considered as non-griefing strategies:
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* [[Camping]].
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* [[Turtling]].
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* [[Ambushing]].
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* [[Spy checking|Rooting out Spies]], [[Engineers]], or other classes hiding behind the team.
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* Killing the same player repeatedly in order to remove a tactical advantage gained by their presence from a defensive or exposed location.
  
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*[[Turtling]]
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== Acts that may be griefing ==
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The following are considered griefing when they are done to disrupt someone's enjoyment of the game:
  
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*[[Ambushing]]
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*[[Glitches|Glitch]]/[[Exploits|exploit]] abuse.
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*[[Cheating]]
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*Repeatedly stealing Teleports from slower or more vital [[classes]].
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*Blocking a [[Sentry Gun]]'s vision with other buildings.
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*[[Taunt]] spam.
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*[[Voice command]] spam.
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*Healing Spies on your team that are disguised as anything other than a Spy while near enemies.
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*Helping the other team without changing teams.
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*Intentionally being worthless to your team. For example, standing in the same place, only using melee weapons, running straight into enemy fire, or intentionally glitching into the [[reference pose]].
  
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*[[Spy-checking|Rooting out Spies]], Ingénieurs, ou autres classes qui sa cachent derriere les autres.
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== Acts that are almost always griefing ==
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The following items are almost always considered griefing, because it is generally the only reason to do them:
  
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*Killing the same player repeatedly in order to remove a tactical advantage gained by their presence from a defensive or exposed location
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=== Other/Generic/All class ===
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*Intentionally pushing teammates off ledges in order to kill them or force them to waste time getting back up.
  
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== List d'actes qui sont surement considérées comme du Griefing ==
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*Pushing teammates out of a Teleporter to make way for yourself, especially if you're a generally less important class. (e.g. a Sniper pushing a Medic out)
  
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Les suivants sont considéré comme du griefing puisque il gêne les joueurs qui profite du jeu:
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*Continuously obstructing a [[Sniper]]'s view by standing in front of them or using particlee effects (e.g. flames/smoke from disguising) to obscure their vision.
  
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*Mic [[Spamming|spam]]
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*Calling for Medic repeatedly while being at full health or overhealed, particularly when not playing an offensive class, i.e. a Sniper with the [[Razorback]] calling for Medic while at 125 health.
  
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*Text/call spam
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*Repeatedly killing the same player, and only the same player, in order to annoy them with no tactical reason for doing so.
  
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*abusation d'un Bug
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*Deliberately opening one-way gates to allow the enemy team to pour through and destroy an attacking Engineer's buildings, including the Teleporter, forcing him to start from scratch and delay teammates from getting to the front line.
  
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*[[Hacking]]
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*[[Exploit]]s that impair the ability of others to play the game, such as forcing doors closed.
  
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*Des [[Sprays]] choquants ou dire des choses offensives via le [[voice chat|speech]]
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*Attacking your own teammates for long stretches of time for no reason besides to annoy them, especially with the [[Frying Pan]].
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*Repetivement voler le tour des Teleporters pour les[[Classes]] vitaux
 
  
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*Following the same teammate around for no reason.
  
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== Liste des choses quisera toujours considéré comme le Griefing ==
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*Deliberately sending details to members of the enemy team of your team's defenses/weaknesses via private chat. This is also known as ghosting.
  
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Les objets suivants sont considérés comme du griefing:
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*Intentionally acting like a disguised Spy by avoiding spychecks and performing other suspicious actions.
  
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*Consciament soigner, ou [[ÜberCharge|ÜberCharging]], les[[Spy|Spies]] ennemis et alors ils seront capables de tuer vos coéquipiers.
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* Playing loud, disturbing or otherwise distracting sounds over the voice chat.
  
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*Consciament et répétivemnt [[Healing]] des spies déguisés en aliés pour qu'ils ne se fassent pas repérer.
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* Chat spam, with nonsensical or repetitive messages sent through the in-game text-based chat system.
  
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*Utiliser des [[Teleporter]]s pour pieger et bloquer vos coéquipier dans des endroits où on ne peut pas en sortir.
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* Offensive [[voice chat|speech]], text, or [[sprays]].
  
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*Placer délibérément des entrés de Teleporters dans des endroits inutiles où c'est presque impossible de ne pas les utiliser (généralment devant les spawns).
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* Impersonating a server admin.
  
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*Poser des sorties de téléporters dans des endroits où on peut pas en sortir ou des endroits qui sont inutiles pour les coéquipiers.
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* Calling useless votes.
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*Placer des téléporters dans des endroits inutiles.
 
  
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*Construire des sorties de téléporters dans votre propre base et placer des entrés dans la base ennemie, pour permettre aux Spies ennemis d'infiltrer votre base.
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* Actively hunting a specific player so that they can never complete their contract.
  
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*Consciament gacher la vue d'un Sniper en se mettant devant lui.
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* Constantly passing the [[intelligence]] to each other, causing spam in the killfeed about picking up the intelligence, and constantly playing the [[Administrator]]'s voice lines stating the intelligence has been picked up, could also cause lagging on low-end machines.
  
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*Les [[Exploit]]s, Comme marcher dans les airs dans [[Dustbowl]] (Stage 3, Point de Contrôle 2) dans l'idée d'enerver l'ennemi.
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* Announcing the disguise and location of friendly [[Spies]] to the enemy team.
  
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*Mettre des mitrailleuses et des distributeurs dans un endroit où il ne peut pas toucher l'ennemi; comme par exemple, Dans le respawn des BLU dans Gravel Pit.
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=== {{Class link|Pyro}} ===
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* Revealing disguised [[Spy]] teammates with the [[Flame Thrower]].
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* Air blasting enemies towards teammates.
  
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*Délibérément être inutile pour l'équipe. Comme exemple, rester sur place, utiliser seulement des armes de melée , Répétivement essayer de faire des taunt-kills, et courir sucidairement dans le feu de l'ennemi.
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* Constantly and purposefully killing themself with the [[Stickybomb Launcher]].
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* Revealing disguised Spy teammates purposefully with explosives.
  
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*Attaquer vos coéquipiers pendant longtemps pour aucune raison.  
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=== {{Class link|Heavy}} ===
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* Throwing [[Lunchbox]] items to enemies on purpose.
  
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*Suivre tout le temp le même coéquipier pour aucune raison.
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=== {{Class link|Engineer}} ===
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* Placing [[Teleporter]]s in bothersome locations
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**Using Teleporters to trap your teammates in inescapable locations.
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**Building Teleporters that lead into [[Hazard]]s.
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**Building Teleporters in between another Engineer's [[Sentry Gun]] and [[Dispenser]], so that they cannot stand in the ideal spot without being teleported away (usually backwards).
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**Deliberately placing Teleporters across vital exits and entryways so it is impossible to pass them without being teleported.
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**Placing Teleporters that lead to useless areas, or are just a few feet away from the entrance.
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**Building Teleporter exits in your own base and placing the entrance in the enemies', allowing for Spy infiltration.
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**Building Teleporters that lead to immediately dangerous areas, such as in front of Sentry Guns.
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**Building a Teleporter entrance/exit in the direct path of a Sniper's strafing route (such as the battlements in [[2Fort]]) that go backwards and/or are counter-productive.
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**Building a Teleporter entrance in front of another Engineer's exit, standing on top of the exit and pushing players towards the entrance, forcing players to re-take the teleporter.
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**Exploiting bugs allowing you to place Teleporter exits in areas that cannot normally be reached by the enemy team, allowing for an enemy player(s) to spawn kill your team.
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*Setting up Sentry Guns and Dispensers in areas that the enemy cannot reach in order to irritate your teammates; for example, at the BLU team's setup/respawn area in [[Gravel Pit]].
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*Wasting the metal from other Engineers' Dispensers by spamming the [[Widowmaker]] or [[Short Circuit]], or by simply building and destroying buildings multiple times.
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*Building in front of other Engineers' Sentry Guns, especially when used to steal kills, or sabotage a base.
  
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*Überer les autres de l'équipe pour aucune raison, comme Ûberer un Sniper qui ne sert pas à grand chose, Überer des partenaires dans le spawn etc.  
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=== {{Class link|Medic}} ===
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*[[ÜberCharge|ÜberCharging]] teammates for no reason, such as Übering a Sniper that is in no danger, Übering teammates in the spawn room, etc.
  
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*Quand on joue avec le Soldier, Inconsciament appeler le Medic avec l'[[Equalizer]] même quand vous êtes pas bléssé.
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*ÜberCharging a teammate with the sole purpose of taking the ÜberCharge away once they are in the middle of the enemy team.
  
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*Quand on demande et que l'on reçoit, Un Ûbercharge en étant Soldier avec le [[Rocket Jumper]] ou en Demoman avec le[[Sticky Jumper]] equipé, Avec l'unique intention de gaspiller son Ûbercharge.
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*Refusing to heal certain or all teammates.
  
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*Expoler les[[Pumpkin Bombs]] avec le huntsman, le Mad Milk ou le Jarate with avec l'unique intention de tuer les coéquipiers.
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*Intentionally [[healing]] and ÜberCharging enemy Spies to assist them in disrupting your team.
  
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*Prendre le drapeau ennemi et ne pas le capturer et faire en sorte que les ennemies capture le vôtre.
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*Standing in water and using the [[Meet the Medic (taunt)|Meet the Medic]] taunt (using the taunt in water will cause a loud splashing sound audible to everyone in the server).
  
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*Construire un dispenser devant une mitrailleuse d'un allié pour qu'il ne tire pas.  
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*Intentionally and repeatedly healing disguised friendly Spies in order to disrupt their cover.
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==Exemple de Greifing: Team Roomba ==
 
  
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Se sont quelques exemples de griefing, fait par la Team Roomba.
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*Healing teammates while in a dangerous spot, then stopping for no reason other than for them dying.
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=== {{Class link|Spy}} ===
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* Repeatedly and purposefully taking health packs away from teammates while disguised and at full health.
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==Detecting a griefer==
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Not all players are griefers. They could just be new players, or just not know proper gaming etiquette. Even so, it is still wise to know how to root out the untrustworthy percentage of the TF2 community. Some signs of griefers are:
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*Asking if there are any admins on the server.
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*Having names and/or avatars that may be offensive.
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*Some griefers use alternate accounts to avoid bans. If a player is using the default loadout, yet has a fair amount of skill, they may be using an alternate account.
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*Continuing the behavior when asked to stop
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** Being hostile and/or abusive to people who ask them to stop
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== External links ==
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*[[w:Griefer|Wikipedia article]]
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*[[w:Wikipedia:Griefing|Wikipedia essay]]
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*[http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/griefing Know Your Meme article]
  
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Latest revision as of 11:37, 7 October 2024

“
It's lads like you that give war a bad name!
Click to listen
— The Demoman chastising griefers
 ”

Griefing is the act of utilizing or abusing a game mechanic in ways originally unintended by the game's developers for the specific purpose of frustrating, angering, or otherwise negatively impacting the game experience of another player. Griefing can sometimes be difficult to pinpoint, because its defining subjective characteristic is the intent and not the action. An inexperienced player is not necessarily griefing unless their intention is to bother other players. Note that the lists below are non-exhaustive and do not capture every possible form of griefing.

Griefing is different from cheating. Bug abuse and hacking can be griefing, but only when done specifically to disrupt another player's gameplay, and not when done simply to gain an unfair advantage.

Acts that do not constitute griefing

The following are normal behaviors in the game and, while some of these are discouraged, should be considered as non-griefing strategies:

Acts that may be griefing

The following are considered griefing when they are done to disrupt someone's enjoyment of the game:

  • Glitch/exploit abuse.
  • Cheating
  • Repeatedly stealing Teleports from slower or more vital classes.
  • Blocking a Sentry Gun's vision with other buildings.
  • Taunt spam.
  • Voice command spam.
  • Healing Spies on your team that are disguised as anything other than a Spy while near enemies.
  • Helping the other team without changing teams.
  • Intentionally being worthless to your team. For example, standing in the same place, only using melee weapons, running straight into enemy fire, or intentionally glitching into the reference pose.

Acts that are almost always griefing

The following items are almost always considered griefing, because it is generally the only reason to do them:

Other/Generic/All class

  • Intentionally pushing teammates off ledges in order to kill them or force them to waste time getting back up.
  • Pushing teammates out of a Teleporter to make way for yourself, especially if you're a generally less important class. (e.g. a Sniper pushing a Medic out)
  • Continuously obstructing a Sniper's view by standing in front of them or using particlee effects (e.g. flames/smoke from disguising) to obscure their vision.
  • Calling for Medic repeatedly while being at full health or overhealed, particularly when not playing an offensive class, i.e. a Sniper with the Razorback calling for Medic while at 125 health.
  • Repeatedly killing the same player, and only the same player, in order to annoy them with no tactical reason for doing so.
  • Deliberately opening one-way gates to allow the enemy team to pour through and destroy an attacking Engineer's buildings, including the Teleporter, forcing him to start from scratch and delay teammates from getting to the front line.
  • Exploits that impair the ability of others to play the game, such as forcing doors closed.
  • Attacking your own teammates for long stretches of time for no reason besides to annoy them, especially with the Frying Pan.
  • Following the same teammate around for no reason.
  • Deliberately sending details to members of the enemy team of your team's defenses/weaknesses via private chat. This is also known as ghosting.
  • Intentionally acting like a disguised Spy by avoiding spychecks and performing other suspicious actions.
  • Playing loud, disturbing or otherwise distracting sounds over the voice chat.
  • Chat spam, with nonsensical or repetitive messages sent through the in-game text-based chat system.
  • Impersonating a server admin.
  • Calling useless votes.
  • Actively hunting a specific player so that they can never complete their contract.
  • Constantly passing the intelligence to each other, causing spam in the killfeed about picking up the intelligence, and constantly playing the Administrator's voice lines stating the intelligence has been picked up, could also cause lagging on low-end machines.
  • Announcing the disguise and location of friendly Spies to the enemy team.

Leaderboard class pyro.png Pyro

  • Revealing disguised Spy teammates with the Flame Thrower.
  • Air blasting enemies towards teammates.

Leaderboard class demoman.png Demoman

  • Constantly and purposefully killing themself with the Stickybomb Launcher.
  • Revealing disguised Spy teammates purposefully with explosives.

Leaderboard class heavy.png Heavy

  • Throwing Lunchbox items to enemies on purpose.

Leaderboard class engineer.png Engineer

  • Placing Teleporters in bothersome locations
    • Using Teleporters to trap your teammates in inescapable locations.
    • Building Teleporters that lead into Hazards.
    • Building Teleporters in between another Engineer's Sentry Gun and Dispenser, so that they cannot stand in the ideal spot without being teleported away (usually backwards).
    • Deliberately placing Teleporters across vital exits and entryways so it is impossible to pass them without being teleported.
    • Placing Teleporters that lead to useless areas, or are just a few feet away from the entrance.
    • Building Teleporter exits in your own base and placing the entrance in the enemies', allowing for Spy infiltration.
    • Building Teleporters that lead to immediately dangerous areas, such as in front of Sentry Guns.
    • Building a Teleporter entrance/exit in the direct path of a Sniper's strafing route (such as the battlements in 2Fort) that go backwards and/or are counter-productive.
    • Building a Teleporter entrance in front of another Engineer's exit, standing on top of the exit and pushing players towards the entrance, forcing players to re-take the teleporter.
    • Exploiting bugs allowing you to place Teleporter exits in areas that cannot normally be reached by the enemy team, allowing for an enemy player(s) to spawn kill your team.
  • Setting up Sentry Guns and Dispensers in areas that the enemy cannot reach in order to irritate your teammates; for example, at the BLU team's setup/respawn area in Gravel Pit.
  • Wasting the metal from other Engineers' Dispensers by spamming the Widowmaker or Short Circuit, or by simply building and destroying buildings multiple times.
  • Building in front of other Engineers' Sentry Guns, especially when used to steal kills, or sabotage a base.

Leaderboard class medic.png Medic

  • ÜberCharging teammates for no reason, such as Übering a Sniper that is in no danger, Übering teammates in the spawn room, etc.
  • ÜberCharging a teammate with the sole purpose of taking the ÜberCharge away once they are in the middle of the enemy team.
  • Refusing to heal certain or all teammates.
  • Intentionally healing and ÜberCharging enemy Spies to assist them in disrupting your team.
  • Standing in water and using the Meet the Medic taunt (using the taunt in water will cause a loud splashing sound audible to everyone in the server).
  • Intentionally and repeatedly healing disguised friendly Spies in order to disrupt their cover.
  • Healing teammates while in a dangerous spot, then stopping for no reason other than for them dying.

Leaderboard class spy.png Spy

  • Repeatedly and purposefully taking health packs away from teammates while disguised and at full health.

Detecting a griefer

Not all players are griefers. They could just be new players, or just not know proper gaming etiquette. Even so, it is still wise to know how to root out the untrustworthy percentage of the TF2 community. Some signs of griefers are:

  • Asking if there are any admins on the server.
  • Having names and/or avatars that may be offensive.
  • Some griefers use alternate accounts to avoid bans. If a player is using the default loadout, yet has a fair amount of skill, they may be using an alternate account.
  • Continuing the behavior when asked to stop
    • Being hostile and/or abusive to people who ask them to stop

External links

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