Talk:Meet the Spy

Facestab

Could the death of the Sniper be a ValvE tongue-in-cheek reference to facestabs? The Spy does reach over the Sniper and backstab him whilst stood in front of him. Aggregation 11:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

No he doesn't. The Sniper is turned around and the Spy stabs him with a backhand motion. It looks funny, but it's a backstab. -- - _{(talk | contribs)} -- 11:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. In the video VALVE can do a lot more wit the characters than the in-game fighting. He stabs the Sniper in the back therefore it is a backstab (in literal terms). Pierow 09:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)TC370

My edit removed?

I put down some signs to tell that the scout was a spy, why was it removed? Thespy 00:50, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Because it wasn't needed. Leave it to the viewer to work it out for themselves, much more satisfying that way. —Moussekateer·talk 00:53, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Cigarette Machine

There is at the beginning next to the door a cigarette machine, i saw it not noted, but i didn't see it good enough, can someone check if some cigarettes are listed or only the machine itself, thx. TheDoctor(without a small pic) 13:46, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

It looks just like a drinks/snack dispenser, and it says "Ciggy Stop" on it. That's about it. You can see it just after the Heavy smashes through the door, at about 0:25 in the video. --Cooper Kid (Blether · Contreebs) 01:45, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Where this takes place

Doesn't it take place on Doublecross? Right now we say it's 2Fort, but Doublecross has the entire light board and the pathway the BLU team ran getting to the intel room (which is presumably under the intel room of Doublecross). It seems far more likely the map is Doublecross in an earlier state, where the intel room may have been a lot different looking than it is now. It makes a lot more sense than the map being vaguely like 2Fort. Balladofwindfishes 19:14, 22 December 2011 (PST)

There was no Doublecross at the time Meet the Spy was released if I remember correctly. MogDog66 19:16, 22 December 2011 (PST)

I was certain that the general consensus on the matter that this takes place in an alternate version of 2Fort. Sven 19:22, 22 December 2011 (PST)

I'm just thinking maybe Valve was sitting on an early design of Doublecross, and made the movie using that map, but then changed the design to what Doublecross looks like now. I guess this a chicken or the egg situation. What came first (development wise, not when it shipped), Doublecross or Meet the Spy. The video itself only looks very vaguely like 2Fort, while Doublecross has large elements from Meet the Spy in it (either because MtS was on Doublecross, or Doublecross is influenced by MtS). Balladofwindfishes 19:28, 22 December 2011 (PST)

I don't think it necessarily takes place on any single map. They just want to make sure to use locales that work together artistically, and they have been known to create plenty of things that doesn't exist. If they used parts of an in-production Doublecross, then that would have saved them some time, but we already know that many of the things in the latest videos have been created [nearly] from scratch anyway, including some that look like they would fit right into existing maps. There's no question that most of the locations in Meet the Spy are supposed to be 2Fort, though. Just look at the entire red spy murder montage. My guess? They used 2Fort as much as they could, and then when certain jokes were required (control center, long hallway, passcode door), they created them to match. Then they put that into Doublecross. – fashnek _(talk·c) 19:35, 22 December 2011 (PST)

Notes versus Trivia

I started out writing this as a topic for the Trivia style guide, but things have shaped up such that this is partially a better place.

I had been thinking of a post on this subject for some time, but the edit by User:SteamID76561199099558497 has prompted this.

Over the years:

• I had noted variations on how Trivia was organized on Movies and Comics.
  • A particular structure on a few pages was separate Notes and Trivia sections.
  • We have a style guide for Trivia, but AFAIR, not a style guide specific to notes.
  • Within the past year, I have participated in a general clean up and consistent structure of trivia and notes, but without any aforesaid sanction or Notes style. (I don't think it is accurate to say Notes are Trivia.)

• In spite being rather observational, I had noted the popularity of continuity facts, which I assumed (as an outsider) was normal for fandom trivia. Continuity facts fell into two types, as I saw it
  • Continuity errors: (from page to page or comic to comic) e.g., wainscoting color changes and image mirroring. Continuity errors seem to be particularly popular and I have no recollection of ever seeing any continuity error being challenged on Trivia style.
  • Continuity linking: pointing out where plot elements in one scene are continuations or backgrounds of other scenes. While these continuity facts are actually observational, I have found them useful in following the Storyline.

• So, in my practice, I have particularly organized the Notes section for facts that are too observational for Trivia, but either highlight errors in the content, or link continuity across publications.

• As for the case of Meet the Spy, my interpretation is that is a holdover of the Notes section predates the Trivia heading convention.
  • On 19 October 2020, Gabrielwoj tagged the Notes (ni Trivia) section for removal of XofY. (My observation of the status the Notes at the time of tagging was they were observations rather than XofY.)
  • There were subsequently several back and forth edits.
  • As of this post (12 PM CST 11/8/2020), the tag was removed and only a couple of items (actual XofY) were removed.
  • SteamID76561199099558497's removals seemed, roughly, to be of the observational types, which I would think we either typically keep in Trivia or move to Notes, that is, they may be forgiven for having read the Trivia style guide and thinking that the seeming simple observations were style violations.

What is my point? I started out wondering what XofY non-trivia Gabrielwoj was tagging, but I figured it out by completely retracing the edits. However, Gabrielwoj's tagging seemed to draw attention to Notes/Trivia that border on simple observation:

• We love to observe "COPYRIGHT LOLOLOL"
• The Alarm-O-Tron 5000 is nothing but literal observation, but it is convenient to present it in the wiki; I have wondered before if it warrants it own article.
• I think we are settled that observing pre-release sightings of items count as Trivia.
• But, Engineer and Medic handedness transpositions are just observations of continuity errors.

So, were I to address this (any point? the tag was removed), I would work to move the Actual Trivia (e.g., "the language-specific trivia") into a Trivia section, leaving the more observational points in Notes, and maybe make an Alarm-O-Tron 5000 section or page somewhere not in Trivia section.

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