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== Wrong "Hit" Noises ==
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When you hit a team mate theres seems to be a chance that it makes a chain link fence noise. [[User:Meter1060|Meter1060]] 04:12, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Spy kill? Spy heal? Which one could it be?==
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As the title suggests, would it kill disguised spies or heal them? This is a bit confusing... if it has the same characteristics as the huntsman maybe the arrows act the same and kill the spy? I am confused x.x [[User:Vulturas|Vulturas]] 16:21, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Bolt vs Syringe ==
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PS: It should be noted if it does/does not kill spies.
 
  
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== Healing ==
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The description of the Crossbow refers to the projectiles as "special bolts" and it is a crossbow so that should be the correct term. The article refers them as syringes. So should the article refer to them as bolts or should it just remain as syringes? My vote would be bolt since that is what the actual item itself calls them. [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 11:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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The Crossbow is able to heal Soldiers that are equipping the Equalizer, is it a bug or an intended feature? --[[User:Rascalov|Rascalov]] 13:31, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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:Pretty sure that it's a feature of the weapon. But hey, if Valve doesn't like it, they'll patch it. [[User:Sven|Sven]] 18:16, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 
  
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==Arrow model==
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:I think either works, but neither is preferable. A crossbow projectile is called a bolt, but in this case the projectile is a syringe, so neither is incorrect and neither is more correct than the other.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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Shouldn't this get its own crossbow bolt model? Getting shot by hunstman arrows looks silly and is kind of confusing [[User:Anonynja|Anonynja]] 18:15, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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:It should, but it'll probably be awhile before it gets its own projectile. Crossbows don't show arros anyway, and it's confusing to the player if they see it coming if its a deadly huntsman arrow or a regular crossbow shot [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 20:23, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 
  
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==Trial info==
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:: If that's the case then it should probably use them a bit more interchangeably. Currently it seems like it's biased towards and prefers Syringe. 25 uses for Syringe vs 7 for Bolt. Obviously some of that is unavoidable because of the update history and such but a bit more bolt would not hurt and could spice it up a little. [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 13:33, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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Some testing results from myself and a helpful groupmate: [[User:Billy Mays|Billy Mays]]
 
  
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* Between 22.5 and 23 seconds for 10 shots
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:::I'm not sure that it's much of a problem, the strategy pages refer to them as bolts quite a bit too.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:55, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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* 26 shots fired in a minute's time
 
  
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This gives us a rough value of .434 shots per second. I'll be uploading these results into the article and marking them as rough and pending extensive testing.[[User:Techercizer|Techercizer]] 23:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
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== reloading when not active, really? ==
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:This means it beats the medigun's combat healing rate of 25hp per second. Interesting and game-changing, if you can hit your patients...[[User:Techercizer|<span style="color: Purple"><font face="Comic Sans MS">  '''Techercizer'''</font face></span>]]<sup> [[Medic|<span style="color: Red">('''Keep him alive''')</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Saxton Hale|<span style="color: Blue"> ('''Run''')</span>]]</sub> 23:50, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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We also determined that the bow fires from behind the medic's head.[[User:Techercizer|<span style="color: Purple"><font face="Comic Sans MS">  '''Techercizer'''</font face></span>]]<sup> [[Medic|<span style="color: Red">('''Keep him alive''')</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Saxton Hale|<span style="color: Blue"> ('''Run''')</span>]]</sub> 00:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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:It also fires from head-level while crouched, these mechanics are shared with the [[Huntsman]]. -- http://dl.dropbox.com/u/845393/mek.png [[User:Mechlord|Mechlord]] 01:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 
  
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Does it build/contribute to ubercharge? [[User:Nanosheep|(nanosheep_inc)]] 03:15, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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it only reloads the first shot in the clip
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:Nope. - [[User:SgtWoodsy|SgtWoodsy]] 03:18, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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so, if you get clip upgrades in MVM it doesn't reload the clip, just the first one in the clip.
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[[User:Keenan|Keenan]] ([[User talk:Keenan|talk]]) 18:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
  
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== Friendly Fire ==
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:IIRC that is the case, yes, but that would be considered a bug.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 18:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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With friendly fire enabled, the crossbow bolts will still heal teammates, rather than hurt them. I'm not sure whether this should be mentioned here, or in the Friendly Fire article. Anyone? [[User:InShane|InShane]] 10:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 
  
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Both I think [[User:Octaytse|Octaytse]] 02:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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::yeah, may have something to do with it being the only clip weapon that can reload while inactive AFAIK.<br>[[User:Keenan|Keenan]] ([[User talk:Keenan|talk]]) 19:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
  
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== Reflected bolt kill icon? ==
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:::Based on the game's code (game\shared\tf\tf_weapon_rocketlauncher.cpp:L704-705. Yes, this means the Crossbow is a modified Rocket Launcher) it only checks if the clip is 0, rather than a dynamic number that changes based on the max primary ammo.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
  
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I was reading SPUF and someone mentioned that there's actually a kill icon for a reflect crossbow bolt in the game. Is this true? [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 02:32, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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== trivia addition ==
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there should be an extra trivia mentioning how this is the only non-pyro weapon with the stat "This weapon will reload automatically when not active"
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[[User:Keenan|Keenan]] ([[User talk:Keenan|talk]]) 19:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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:This would break the [[XofY]] Trivia rule, comparing one item's characteristics to another's.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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::ah, didn't know that was a thing, thanks for informing me<br>[[User:Keenan|Keenan]] ([[User talk:Keenan|talk]]) 19:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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Bolt vs Syringe

The description of the Crossbow refers to the projectiles as "special bolts" and it is a crossbow so that should be the correct term. The article refers them as syringes. So should the article refer to them as bolts or should it just remain as syringes? My vote would be bolt since that is what the actual item itself calls them. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.png ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 11:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I think either works, but neither is preferable. A crossbow projectile is called a bolt, but in this case the projectile is a syringe, so neither is incorrect and neither is more correct than the other.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
If that's the case then it should probably use them a bit more interchangeably. Currently it seems like it's biased towards and prefers Syringe. 25 uses for Syringe vs 7 for Bolt. Obviously some of that is unavoidable because of the update history and such but a bit more bolt would not hurt and could spice it up a little. Mediarch User Mediarch PFP.png ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 13:33, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure that it's much of a problem, the strategy pages refer to them as bolts quite a bit too.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 13:55, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

reloading when not active, really?

it only reloads the first shot in the clip so, if you get clip upgrades in MVM it doesn't reload the clip, just the first one in the clip. Keenan (talk) 18:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

IIRC that is the case, yes, but that would be considered a bug.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 18:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
yeah, may have something to do with it being the only clip weapon that can reload while inactive AFAIK.
Keenan (talk) 19:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Based on the game's code (game\shared\tf\tf_weapon_rocketlauncher.cpp:L704-705. Yes, this means the Crossbow is a modified Rocket Launcher) it only checks if the clip is 0, rather than a dynamic number that changes based on the max primary ammo.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 19:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

trivia addition

there should be an extra trivia mentioning how this is the only non-pyro weapon with the stat "This weapon will reload automatically when not active" Keenan (talk) 19:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

This would break the XofY Trivia rule, comparing one item's characteristics to another's.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 19:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
ah, didn't know that was a thing, thanks for informing me
Keenan (talk) 19:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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