Difference between revisions of "Talk:Buffalo Steak Sandvich"

From Team Fortress Wiki
Jump to: navigation, search
(→‎Bugs are not bugs)
m (→‎Damage vuln. bug)
 
(29 intermediate revisions by 17 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
−
== Was this item made by Ruskeydoo? ==
+
{{Talk archive
 +
| arc1name = Archive 1
 +
| arc1link = Talk:Buffalo Steak Sandvich/Archive 1
 +
}}
  
−
I was browsing the Polycount entries and noticed Ruskeydoo's entry didn't actually have this item it in. He made a cactus for the Heavy to eat. [http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73181 See here.] So did he make this? Or was it made by another contributor, or was it made by Valve? [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 22:24, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
+
== Damage vuln. bug ==
−
:I searched the entire Polycount forums for the word "sandvich" and could not find a single post with this model anywhere, let alone made by Ruskeydoo. I think we should look into this more, as giving credit to the wrong person would be a no-no. --[[User:Tidmiste|Tidmiste]] 20:27, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 
  
−
==Community Testing==
+
The fact it doesn't stack with crits or mini-crits may be intentional. This is due to the fact it used to mark you for death, and changing it to a vuln. was a buff, but if it did stack with mini-crits then the situations where someone has guaranteed mini-crits (example being the buff banner) then you would end up taking MORE damage than the previous version, making it not a direct buff. [[User:Cheezcracker|Cheezcracker]] ([[User talk:Cheezcracker|talk]]) 20:19, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
−
[[User:Billy Mays|Billy Mays]] and I determined that a GRU heavy with steak effect runs slower than a scout but faster than an equalizer soldier at 12 HP. We've determined the speed of such a heavy to be approximately 390-395 Hammer Units per Second.[[User:Techercizer|<span style="color: Purple"><font face="Comic Sans MS">  '''Techercizer'''</font face></span>]]<sup> [[Medic|<span style="color: Red">('''Keep him alive''')</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Saxton Hale|<span style="color: Blue"> ('''Run''')</span>]]</sub> 01:06, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 
−
:GRU Steak heavy is exactly scout speed, at 400 hu/s -- http://dl.dropbox.com/u/845393/mek.png [[User:Mechlord|Mechlord]] 01:08, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 
−
::That it is! Thanks for fixing that.[[User:Techercizer|<span style="color: Purple"><font face="Comic Sans MS">  '''Techercizer'''</font face></span>]]<sup> [[Medic|<span style="color: Red">('''Keep him alive''')</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Saxton Hale|<span style="color: Blue"> ('''Run''')</span>]]</sub> 01:35, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 
  
−
== "Currently, eating the Steak Sandvich does not consume the Sandvich, no matter the health." ==
+
:Having damage vulnerability increase the damage of (Mini-)Crits is expected behaviour. I can't find anything in the code about exceptions either, if you find anything about it then I think we can reasonably call it intentional.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:37, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
  
−
I really think that this is intentional, since the Steak Sandvich doesn't even heal you. [[User:AbeX300|AbeX300]] 05:40, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
+
::I am confused, clearly there is code for an exception or else the "bug" would not exist. [[User:Cheezcracker|Cheezcracker]] ([[User talk:Cheezcracker|talk]]) 21:32, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
−
:Incorrect, removing. -- http://dl.dropbox.com/u/845393/mek.png [[User:Mechlord|Mechlord]] 05:46, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 
−
::Wait, but you are saying that this is not intentional that is not consumed, yet you said you are removing it, saying that it is intentional... Huh? [[User:AbeX300|AbeX300]] 05:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 
−
:::The Steak Sandvitch is consumed when not on full health. -- http://dl.dropbox.com/u/845393/mek.png [[User:Mechlord|Mechlord]] 05:55, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 
  
−
== Damnit ==
+
:::If it's a bug, then there wouldn't be code for it. I can't find any code for it, but if you do then feel free to reference it here following [[Team Fortress Wiki:Policies#Leaked content|leaked content policy]].<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
−
Why'd they have to fix the speedheavy trick :-( [[User:Untouch|Untouch]] 14:14, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 
−
:As disappointing as it is, this isn't a forum sorry. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 14:22, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 
−
::Indeed. Try [http://forums.steampowered.com this a'way]. &ndash; [[User:Smashman|<font color=#507D2A>Smashman</font>]]<sub>&nbsp;([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> 14:24, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 
  
−
== Bugs are not bugs ==
+
::::From what I can tell, there is no universal way to code vulnerabilities and resistances. Sometimes a vuln is just a resistance with a negative value (the pain train), sometimes they scale with ramp up and fall off differently (battalion's backup), and sometimes they just don't happen (the steak), so saying the steak is an exception to some sort of established method seems misleading. [[User:Cheezcracker|Cheezcracker]] ([[User talk:Cheezcracker|talk]]) 15:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
  
−
As I tried to point out on the page itself (and got rightfully reverted), I'll bring this here. 2 of the bugs are likely not actual bugs:
+
:::::I have no idea what you mean. I just said if you have some kind of proof that this is intentional then provide it, otherwise it's a bug. Even if the Pain Train is coded that way, any bugs that result from this (e.g. the [[Enforcer]] not doing extra damage to the [[Pain Train]] because it bypasses this resistance) are still listed as bugs.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:47, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
−
 
 
−
"Attempting to drop the Steak Sandvich will drop a normal Sandvich instead. It functions in the same way as a normal dropped Sandvich." - Unless they intended for others to pick up the steak with all its given effects, having it drop a normal Sandvich would make more sense. The steak doesn't heal, and there would have to be some other system for determining when players would pick it up and when they'd just walk over it, since it wouldn't count as a normal health pack. (Of course, it could just happen that they'd get all effects when walking over it no matter what, but since a dropped Sandvich is far less effective than an eaten Sandvich, they might want to find some way to nerf a dropped steak.)
 
−
 
 
−
"The remarks that the Heavy makes after consuming a Buffalo Steak Sandvich are identical to those after consuming a [[Sandvich]]." - This seems likely to stay this way, as the same thing happens with the Demoman (referring to all melee weapons as his "[[bottle]] of scrumpy") and nothing has ever been done about it; for example, no new lines were added in those cases and I doubt they will for the steak. Plus, this isn't nearly as much of an issue of consistency, since according to the name the Steak is still technically a Sandvich. (However, this issue over the Sandvich lines ''does'' apply to the [[Dalokohs Bar]], and since that's ''not'' a Sandvich, it's a logical issue, but it can still be explained away by the Bottle Clause.)
 
−
 
 
−
I'd suggest either finding an explanation or deleting them. —[[User:KarasuGamma|烏Γ]] ''<sup>([[User talk:KarasuGamma|kaw at me]])</sup>, 04:34, 14 January 2011 (UTC)''
 
−
 
 
−
: Your logic is flawed. Just because 'nothing has ever been done about it' does not make it any less significant. The purpose of the wiki is to inform players of relevant information pertaining to the game. If we follow your lead and bury our heads in the sand about these things, what good will come of it?
 
−
 
 
−
Lets say a player in game uses the Steak. After seeing that when he drops it it ''magically transforms'' into a bread sandwich, and that when eating it the Heavy eclaims it's made of bologna, the player will come to the wiki for answers. Currently, the wiki answers them with 'it's a bug/graphical error, it's not intentional, it will be fixed at some point.' And it's not just the wiki who believe this, but the Steam User Forums are littered with people noticing these 'bugs' and bringing them into the light. You, on the other hand, would answer these players with 'it's nothing, ignore it. Valve clearly intended it because it's been there forever'. Your answer does not give the whole picture, and only incites certain players to add it to the page anyway. So you accomplish nothing. --<span style="color:purple">'''''Focusknock'''''</span> 10:27, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 

Latest revision as of 15:47, 20 February 2024

Talk archives
Intel blu idle.png Archive 1

Damage vuln. bug

The fact it doesn't stack with crits or mini-crits may be intentional. This is due to the fact it used to mark you for death, and changing it to a vuln. was a buff, but if it did stack with mini-crits then the situations where someone has guaranteed mini-crits (example being the buff banner) then you would end up taking MORE damage than the previous version, making it not a direct buff. Cheezcracker (talk) 20:19, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Having damage vulnerability increase the damage of (Mini-)Crits is expected behaviour. I can't find anything in the code about exceptions either, if you find anything about it then I think we can reasonably call it intentional.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 20:37, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
I am confused, clearly there is code for an exception or else the "bug" would not exist. Cheezcracker (talk) 21:32, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
If it's a bug, then there wouldn't be code for it. I can't find any code for it, but if you do then feel free to reference it here following leaked content policy.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
From what I can tell, there is no universal way to code vulnerabilities and resistances. Sometimes a vuln is just a resistance with a negative value (the pain train), sometimes they scale with ramp up and fall off differently (battalion's backup), and sometimes they just don't happen (the steak), so saying the steak is an exception to some sort of established method seems misleading. Cheezcracker (talk) 15:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
I have no idea what you mean. I just said if you have some kind of proof that this is intentional then provide it, otherwise it's a bug. Even if the Pain Train is coded that way, any bugs that result from this (e.g. the Enforcer not doing extra damage to the Pain Train because it bypasses this resistance) are still listed as bugs.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 15:47, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Retrieved from "https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Buffalo_Steak_Sandvich&oldid=3633468"