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-- WelcomeBOT (talk) 18:18, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Shortstop is not a pepperbox

(Also @User:GrampaSwood)

TF2 Ludicer, I understand the mistake.

The type is "peppergun" and some associate that with "pepperbox" gun. But that association is generally untrue.

• Peppergun is simply an alternate name for a shotgun, and each of Scout's primaries is a shotgun and the Shortstop fires buckshot in the game.

• Pepperbox is specifically an old type of revolver where the whole barrels rotate instead of just the chambers. The name pepperbox comes from the rotating barrel motion resembling a pepper grinder.

This means that Valve calling it a peppergun in no way means that it is a pepperbox. Repeat, the Shortstop has no resemblance to any pepperbox; Shortstop is a break action derringer.

• The creator originally intended a pistol, but Valve put the item into the Shotgun slot.
• The creator originally intended a pepperbox, but decided that a pepperbox was too antique for the game.
• The creator stated they switched from the pepperbox idea to a "Remington Elliot". The terminology is unclear, and here we get weird; some identify the Remington Elliot as a revolver and pepperbox, but most images show a break action Derringer, not a revolver.
• The Remington Elliots were in fact a range of barrel and break action designs, but the grip was generally consistent.
• The creator stated that they did not like the curvy grip of the Remington Elliots, and referenced other pistols (at least 10 different pistols) for their design.
• Someone once identified the Shortstop as a COP .357 Derringer. I agree that the barrel has features of the COP .357 Derringer, but the item has the ring trigger of the Elliot (functioning as guard rather than a trigger). The grip is from some other pistol all together. And Derringers really didn't have external hammers like the Shortstop.

Some of the creator's posts:

• ... I'm changing the Pepperbox to a remington Elliot which was used from the late 1800s to the early 1900s. This will enable me to keep the Scout's hand position the same. ....

• Like before, it's a modified Remington Elliot, 4 shot. The front will flip forward like the force of nature.

• ... I'm taking reference from 10 different guns atm and one of them is a derringer also. I like the style of the derringer, but the hand grip is too curved. I'm doing my best to match the original model proportions so it's a model swap. The dev team at valve wouldn't have to reposition his hand on the gun.

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (Contact Mikado282 (SM)) | (contribs) (Help Wanted!) 04:39, 19 September 2022 (UTC)