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Chemistry Set

This demonstration has been reserved: Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 11:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Status: Review needed

Old discussion (2020)

Hi, just made a vid demonstration about Chemistry kit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2uEkaw6Jbs&feature=youtu.be What should i do next? ~ Fokus 03.06.2020 16:50 GMT+2

Hi there,

You now have to wait for WindPower to respond. He usually does this every week on Sundays, though he's very busy nowadays.

My advice on your video is: Don't start in the Main Menu, start in the backpack (first page) instead. Make sure your backpack's page is also clear of other stuff, so when you finished using the chemistry set it doesnt go to the third page and you'll have to drag it from there. Show yourself using the Chemistry Set, too, it's part of its functionality. Your video also seems to have a delay between sound and the video.

It also lacks editing.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

> he's very busy nowadays

You give me too much credit. — Wind 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for tips. I fixed the video, now it should be much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fgON6QQ6Mk&feature=youtu.be

Fokuskii (talk) 23:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

The same problem applies with the backpack. It should start on the first page (that's empty except for the required items). The section where you hover over the chemistry set is too long, perhaps make it 1 or 2 seconds. The same thing applies to the end, show the strangifier being applied. It also lacks fading (A lot of these things can be fixed with simple editing, but I think the pages thing will have to be done with a new one :\)
GrampaSwood (talk) 13:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

The video should also be 1080p (your first version was 1080p but the second version is 720p). Agreed with all other comments — Wind 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I have both an alt and a professor speks chemistry set for this demonstration, I just have yet to find the password to the account...
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 21:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Hey, was wondering if this was still open? I can do a possible version with a collector chemistry kit but not sure if it matters if it's strangifier or collector's. God'sWrath (talk) 01:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

It's still open, although a collector's kit may be too large as it would require showing all 100 items added.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 11:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, alright so what if I show a strangifier first and add a section for the collector's where I only put 1 in but I put disclaimer stating it's x amount of x items and not 1 item for a collector's kit? So video doesn't drag out. God'sWrath (talk) 03:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Just pick a simpler, cheaper chemistry set like in the first video · Ashe (talk) 05:15, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I've reserved this but I've been thinking it over and I'm not sure if it's really necessary. The Strangifier demonstration shows the exact same process of completing a chemistry set to acquire a strangifier and then applying it to the item. Both demonstrations would bassically be the same. Do we really need two demonstrations showing the exact same thing? Or what should this demonstration do to be different from the Strangifier demonstration? Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 22:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm about to craft some of my handshake chem sets. I have two clean ones but I'd rather not craft them and use my partial ones instead. One of these partial ones requires 198. I am thinking I can show a clean one, open it, fill in the first page (drag half, double click half) then do a fade cut where I've swapped to the 198 one on the last page with all the other pages filled in and actually craft that one instead. Within the crafting window there would not be any difference since the input page count for both is 17, there is just 6 on the last page instead of 8 but you would not notice this unless you did the math. If this is acceptable, do you want me to showcase the 4 pages of handshakes required for crafting it or just the 1st page with the chem set and 49 shakes? Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 03:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

A demonstration would have to show each individual one being dragged in. However, if you can smoothly transition the clips in a way that makes it seem like all were filled in on the same one and there's no difference, then that would be fine too, as long as the illusion of it being one chemistry set is there.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 12:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Double click doesn't even work, don't know why I thought it did. Will probably get to this in 2 weeks after my finals. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 11:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Example of transition previously described https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ROeqQWSgU Would obviously craft in the real thing and hover over the item in my first page. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 05:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Double click indeed does not work. However, I think you should show every single one being filled in. I get you want to use your mostly-crafted one already, but I think the way to go here would be to try and transition mid-craft, rather than fading like that. This way, it requires a precise setup and some editing, but it can be done.

For this reason, I think you should try and get the transition approved first. The way I would do this is film the backpack + dragging in, then at a certain page (preferably one where you need to click on the next page of Handshakes as you're filling it out) you stop. Then you take your partially-filled one, record yourself with the exact same mouse position (you can do this using autoclicker, for example, which has a built-in "click at location" button) clicking to the next page of Handshakes, then once you've finished putting them all in drag your mouse off-screen and wait ~0.5 seconds. This way, you can simply do the actual crafting part afterwards, once we approve this transition.

If done right, this should look like one seamless take, but not use your other clean chemistry sets.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 00:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlDW77LISq0 Transition is between 39s and 42s Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 09:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good, though the video lags a bit around that time as well, so it would have to be re-recorded.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 21:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Something Special For Someone Special (Tool)

This demonstration has been reserved: Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 00:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Status: No demonstration submitted

Old discussion (2019)

Hi. I know this item is quite expensive for someone to make a demonstration, but I was thinking, a video showcasing how the item works (which the purchaser's choose they person), and then, on the same video, showing the chosen player's screen perspective, showing the option to accept the proposal, and after that, showing the notification on the Main Menu for the accepted proposal.
Considering the high cost that would be making this demonstration, I wonder if Valve could gives us a hand and supply one for our demonstrations purposes, as long we delete both rings after doing the full video.
It seems that the process is mostly the same as the Gift Wrap, but I have no idea how are the things when someone receives that Gift. We also lack a proper Gift Wrap video, apparently. - ▪ - 19:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Keep dreaming, valve won't even fix server issues much less give us free items. If you are planning to make a demonstration though, better ask windpower for some super detailed instructions to make sure it's right the first time. Naleksuh (talk) 21:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Well, they have the ability to both give and delete items, it could work? Yes. Will it happen? We don't know. If there's anything we can do, is ask for someone who plans on buying one legitimately and asking them for help. Last time that the item got in 50% off, a lot of people bought one, so.

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20:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

If you give it some time, I could save up to get it and try to make it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

I offer to give a 50 USD Steam gift card to anyone who has already gotten an item demonstration video approved and uploaded in order to make this demonstration, and then another 50 USD Steam gift card upon video approval. I'm not sure what the price of the item is in other currencies but I'll also match that if possible as long as it's not too much more expensive. Please make sure to record both sides (sender account and receiver account). — Wind 23:00, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Well, I guess we should start discussing how should it be done. Firstly, I think the Gifter should be named "Scout" and the Recipient be "Miss Pauling". Scout has the Scout avatar (184x184 version from Steam), while Miss Pauling can use this. I think the name could be something along what Scout would say, my suggestion, name it as "You are really frickin' sweet". That'd go nice, eh?

Secondly, I don't know who's going to be the Recipient. Should we create a Steam account just for that, or should we rely with another Video Demonstration Creator to do a collab?

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23:55, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

well how about we can hit two birds with one store and do the ring and the Upgrade to Premium Gift from the same two account?, First the two account would demostrate the Upgrade to Premium Gift which the sender should buy it from the store and send to the receiver who don't have premium. them Recycle the same account to do the ring. We could make a story out of it as well from friendship when a user gifted the premium to the other use then after few days they both got engaged via the sender would give the ring. It won't end up a awkward situation. but for this situation we need 4 people to do the ring tho 2 sender reciever, 2 regular tf2 player to recieved the message one in the tf2 main menu and the other while in-gameJomarcenter (talk) 14:27, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

That's a cute story, but let's keep the demonstration to just one item (the ring), not the Upgrade to Premium Gift on top of it. — Wind 22:17, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't know what you're talking about, wind. Story time is clearly more important than the actual video. (but in all seriousness the two accounts would be okay to reuse right?) Naleksuh (talk) 04:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, it would just be two separate videos — Wind 23:39, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

I kind of thought the role playing names were unnnecessary to begin with, and could also cause confusion as to whether or not those texts always appear in game. But if WP or thed feels that's the best way to do it without commercializing it then oh well for me.

The two steam accounts would be kinda hard to sync up (and would also be a waste of $100), i'm willing to be proposed to if no one else will :) Naleksuh (talk) 01:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

No need for roleplaying. It's cool if you want to do it but totally optional. — Wind 06:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

I guess I should give an update on this. I'm still up for doing this one. The plan was to do it with Cheddar but currently a lot of the community wanted to boycott spending money on the game because of the bot situation so Cheddar wanted to delay this until....idk when. Valve just banned the majority of the bots and new bot hosting accounts are getting banned as they're being created so I think now is as good as time as any to do this demo. But I can't do it by myself so I need to talk with Cheddar_ and see if he's still available for it or I need an assistant who's willing to help with it. Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 11:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I get that you don't agree with the decision but the sassy "delayed until Idk I guess" comments are pretty annoying. No one can see in the future as to when stuff like this will cool down. If I say something like "do it in a week" and it's still an issue in a week, you would've been upset too.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 11:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be sassy. I'm not complaining. Sorry if it comes off that way. That's not my intention. It's just been nearly two full months with zero communication about the status of the demonstration. Reservations are technically only valid for two weeks so I simply wanted to make sure that everyone knew that I was still planning to do it. Mediarch

♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 12:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I could be of assistance. It seems that all of the bots are gone, so might as well do it now before anything else happens again.

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Steam

03:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Mannpower powerups

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Demonstrate all powerups.
Show you can switch to the Grappling Hook under the effects of the Knockout powerup.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Hello, I had a question about preforming/recording this demonstration. Mannpower has a domination mechanic (Not to be confused with dominations), this mechanic works by when a player has many more kills than other players on the enemy team, and so that player gets nerfs on their power ups. I'm guessing I would have to demonstrate this in the video, however I do not know how to activate it. I have not been able to activate this on myself in tr_karma, however even if I did, the player who is dominating does not get the message on their screen showing that they are dominating. The only effects the player who is dominating sees is they are marked for death if they have a power up, and a nerf on that power up for that player. I don't know how I would go about demonstrating the effects of domination mechanic, considering the viewer wouldn't know that being marked for death with a power up means you are dominating. If I were to get the domination mechanic to work, should I just show the class as marked for death, or something else? Andrew360 01:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

This does sound hard to demonstrate. If you enable third-person mode, do you see the skull icon above the player's head in the 3D world (not on the HUD)? If so, here's a structure that might work:

Spawn enough enemies on the map such that you can reach domination status, and still have enough enemies left over to show that the effect isn't about killing *all* other enemies.
Start the demonstration in first-person mode.
Switch to third-person mode.
Kill enough enemies such that domination status appears.
Highlight the correlation between the third-person skull icon and the HUD one, for example by zooming in on both at once, or drawing a red box around both or something.

Now you've established that "skull on HUD" = "having killed enough enemies".

Now, demonstrate each powerup one by one. For each powerup, do a split-screen, with the left being non-dominating, and the right being already-in-dominating status. Pick up the powerup on both clips and demonstrate the effect. The skull icon being visible on the clip on the right should be enough of a hint that this is the cause. If not obvious enough, you can draw attention to it at the beginning of the clip, such as by drawing a red box over it or something.

Hope this helps. I suggest doing a test demo with just one or two powerups demonstrated and posting it here first before doing all the work it would take to get this all done for all powerups, as there are a lot. (Perhaps each powerup should have its own video? That's a separate question...)

— Wind 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

I might try my hand at this, but only after I finish my other demonstrations and receive feedback and corrections for them. Po1yb1ank (talk) 23:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Enchantment: Eternaween

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Status: No demonstration submitted

Action

Fancy Spellbook

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Same as above, with the exception that the particle effects that emit on the hand are different.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Fireproof Secret Diary

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Same as above, with the exception that the particle effects that emit on the hand are different.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Kritz or Treat Canteen

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Status: No demonstration submitted

Match outcomes

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Status: No demonstration submitted

So there's a bit of a problem with showing the other angles with this demonstration, as you can't actually rotate the camera. Despite it being in third person, you cannot change the angle of the camera nor use +left or +right to make only the camera move. Any attempt to move the camera either doesn't work or makes the character move along with the camera. My original plan for this demonstration was the following:

Show a split screen with a player on RED team on one screen and player on BLU team on the other screen
- The RED player would capture the intelligence on 2Fort, and the other screen would show the BLU player in humiliation after they lose
  - This part would repeat for each class
It would then cut to tr_karma where I would rotate the camera around the class when they're standing, crouching, running, etc
After this I would move on to the next class until all of them are done

However I can't do this because I can't rotate the camera, does anyone have any ideas on how to rotate or have other ideas of how to demonstration and show the different angles?
Andrew360 22:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

How about just use the RED player to see the BLU humiliation animation. Like:

RED player is the main camera, BLU player is a bot/a smaller pip/split screen in the video

BLU player stands beside the intel point
RED player captures the intel and win the game
BLU player enters humiliation
RED player look at the BLU player
BLU player moves around to show off the humiliation animation.

I feel like this also shows off the concept of "match outcomes", make the whole story connected via one team wins and see another team loses with humiliation animations. Do we have to use tr_karma map for demonstration? Is this demonstration video about "match outcomes" or "humiliation animations"?--Alex┋T 03:19, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Simply using thirdperson_mayamode it would be possible to show off these animations from a stationary angle (turning your character rather than camera, although tr_karma/tr_target have no winning objective, so you'd need a different map for it (I suggest Thunder Mountain and standing in first BLU's spawn so it's still somewhat related to the tr_target map, using mp_bonusroundtime to extend the time at the end and just capping the first point).
GrampaSwood (talk) 11:01, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused on what you mean on the capping part, as you say to stay in BLU spawn, but also cap the point to win which would make BLU would win and RED would be in humiliation. Do you mean to make the time run out so RED wins instead?
Andrew360

23:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Either works. Just any way to make the classes go into the humiliation pose. I personally wouldn't mind it that much if RED was in BLU spawn, but it's up to you.
GrampaSwood (talk) 12:33, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I went in game to test out thirdperson_mayamode, and it does not work, as for some reason the losing animation isn't considered as in "thirdperson" by the game I think. Does anyone else have any other ideas? Only other way I can think of is using SourceTV, however I don't know how to set that up.
Andrew360

01:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Taunts

Crushing Defeat

This demonstration has been reserved: Decimate (talk) 10:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Demonstration link

Status: Review needed

I would say it is a little bit too fast, but this is just my opinion, let the moderators decide.
Talk Contribs Steam 17:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Peace Out

This demonstration has been reserved: Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 16:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Demonstration link

Status: Review needed

Commending Clap

This demonstration has been reserved: Talk Contribs Steam 17:13, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
Demonstration link

Status: Review needed

The transitions between classes need a little work. You can see the inventory including the other taunts like Conga and Killer Joke when you first click on the taunt for a couple frames. For the outro I usually fade out the game audio so the ambient noise fades as the screen fades out. Other than that I think it looks good but I'm not a mod or anything just my two cents. Also, I would probably wait for the taunt to be tradable just so the text isn't on there. Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 22:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Punchline

This demonstration has been reserved: Cheddar • Talk • Contribs 16:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Demonstration link

Status: Review needed

Need to be redone

Fortified Compound

This demonstration has been reserved: GrampaSwood 15-10-2024 18:00
Update to use post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage (4 dmg/tick for 7.5 seconds, previously 3 dmg/tick for 10 seconds).

Status: No demonstration submitted

Crusader's Crossbow

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Ubercharge gain rate is reduced in the same way that the Medi Gun's healing (and therefore, Ubercharge build rate) is - it is based on the last time the target was in combat.
Does not show that if you try to heal up an enemy Spy, Über is not built.
Does not show that if you heal an enemy player through a Pyro's reflect, Über is built.

Status: No demonstration submitted

I removed the clip from the previous demonstration when the medic is building his übercharge with the crossbow, the actual changes make it way too long. Video — Thedop (talk) 14:44, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

The picture-in-picture clip is too large and covers the center of the main video's vision. So when the heavy/spy turns to see the medic, it just doesn't show up on the screen. Please decrease the size of the picture-in-picture — Wind 00:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Second try — Thedop (talk) 06:45, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

The Minigun is still hiding the medic when he's firing... — Wind 00:07, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

*sigh* Thedop's demonstration has been in hiatus for two years. Maybe I can make my own demonstration if Thedop doesn't mind. — Exaskliri _(they/them) (talk | contribs) 06:43, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Demonstration reservations are only valid for 2 weeks. If the reservation tag remains on a video and no action has happened since, you can ignore the reservation and replace it with a reservation of your own. — Wind 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way, don't forget to add a demonstration of healing afterburn (probably the most common type of status effect). Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Definitely doable for making an entry about using Crossbow at point blank range to both hit enemies and heal teammates. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 21:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to at least make an attempt at this since the last discussion regarding the Crossbow demonstration was two years ago. Any advice would be appreciated, since this is my first wiki contribution. (And yes, I know how to edit) Jk6419 (talk) 02:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Due to IRL responsibilities that have recently popped up, I am removing my reservation. My apologies. Jk6419 (talk) 04:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Holiday Punch

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Does not demonstrate that disguised spies do not laugh from Holiday Punch.
Does not demonstrate interaction between cloaked spies and Holiday Punch crits.

Status: No demonstration submitted

I kind of felt Holiday Punch could possibly be redone such that it demonstrates its interaction with cloaked and disguised spies. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 08:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Not very practical, but sure, if anyone's up for it — Wind 04:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Not sure if I have to create a new section for the Holiday Punch or add information on an already existing one, but there's several things that probably should also be demonstrated:

Demonstrate that enemies underwater doesn't laugh on the back / critical hits, which therefore, they don't receive damage (The map used for demonstrations does not have water, though)

Demonstrate that punching an enemy at the back / doing a critical hit on an enemy that is jumping / is on the air, has no effect, and does no damage

Demonstrate that it's possible to tickle enemies that are being Ubercharged, possibly include both the patient and the Medic being tickled

Tickle the patient first, show that it's still in the effects of Uber, and tickle the Medic second, that would probably be more ideal, so it shows that when a Medic is tickled, his target loses the healing / ubercharge
Perhaps also demonstrate the Quick-Fix ubercharge, since it mentions it blocks "movement-impairing effects", which isn't the case for the Holiday Punch (I'm pretty sure you can still get tickled with the Quick-Fix uber)

Demonstrate that a Scout with the effects of Bonk! can be tickled

Demonstrate that a Soldier with the Battalion's Backup active, as well his teammates receiving the Backup effect, can still be tickled

A few other ones that I am unsure about:

Demonstrate that it's not possible to tickle robots and giant robots on MVM (I don't think we often make MVM-related stuff on these demonstrations, unless it's an unique mechanic like the Projectile Shield)

Demonstrate that an enemy who is taunting does not get tickled, and that it receives no damage on critical hits

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The tr_karma_rc1 map has water (see Sydney Sleeper demonstration here). I use that map for demonstrations, as it is preferred (according to the Weapon Demonstration page). — Exaskliri _(they/them) (talk | contribs) 09:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

No to the Quick-Fix + Bonk + Battalion's Backup things; as the project page states, non-stock item interactions are usually not demonstrated, in order to avoid having a full explosion of weapon interactions to demonstrate. The Quick Fix one also sounds like a bug, so usually that isn't worth demonstrating either because it has marginal utility and may eventually get patched, which would just create more video work later down the line. But all the other points are good to demonstrate, so +1 that a redo is in order for this one — Wind 04:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

I have an idea on how the new video might be represented:

Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic, Spy)

Do the same actions as was done in the original video

Part 2: Basic Interactions Do the same actions as was done in the original video, demonstrating Kritzkrieg on Soldier (via friendly Medic) and Jarate on Demoman (via friendly Sniper), plus another for Medic interactions.

Part 2a:

Approach friendly Kritzkrieg Medic, who has full charge
Get charged with the Kritzkrieg buff
Keep punching the enemy Soldier until the buff wears off
Punch again while the buff is off, and keep doing it until the Soldier dies

Part 2b:

Approach friendly Sniper holding Jarate
Let the Sniper throw Jarate at the enemy Demoman
Attack the Demoman normally while he is Jarated
Attack the Demoman from behind while he is Jarated
Kill the Demoman normally again while he is Jarated

Part 2c:

(This is where the new stuff begins) Approach an enemy Medic who is healing a ~~friendly~~ enemy Scout with his Medi Gun
Attack the Scout from the front and behind
Enemy Medic activate Medi Gun invulnerability
Do the same as Step 2 onto Scout except while Übercharged
Do the same as Step 4 except on Medic

Part 3: Versus Mittens Heavy

Approach the enemy Mittens Heavy
Attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. Watch him laugh.
Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. Watch yourself laugh.
Mittens Heavy will swap out Holiday Punch for Minigun.
Attack the Heavy with your Holiday Punch.
Swap your Holiday Punch for the Shotgun
Mittens Heavy will swap out Minigun for Holiday Punch
Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch.
(This is where the new stuff begins) Jump, and while mid-air let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
Go behind the Mitten Heavy's back
Let the Mittens Heavy jump, and attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.

Part 4: Spy Interactions View from the Heavy's and Spy's points of view, with a smaller video on the top-right (or something like that) for the Spy's point of view.

Approach the enemy Spy
Let the enemy Spy cloak
Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.
Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)
Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.

Part 5: Taunts and Water

Let the enemy Engineer taunt from his Shotgun. It should be the one where he dances around.
While the enemy Engineer is taunting, attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
Repeat Steps 1 and 2 except attack him from the front.
The enemy Engineer runs to the water. Follow him into the water.
Attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.

Part 6: Robots

Approach an enemy Robot, preferably the Holiday Punch Heavy Robot.
Attack him with your Holiday Punch from the front, and then attack him from behind. There should be no laugh.

~~Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)~~ ~~Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC)~~ Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 10:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Very detailed, nice. — Wind 22:48, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

By the way, I also think that it would be helpful to add a section dedicating to observing a duration comparison for all Schadenfreude taunts. I have a feeling that the length of the taunt has an impact on gameplay of the Holiday Punch. So maybe we could do a section where 9 Holiday Punch Heavies simultaneously attack one of each class, which demonstrates the time it would take to get out of the forced animation. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 01:41, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Might be cool if only for the comedy of it all. — Wind 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

On "Part 4 - Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)", why not make the Spy disguise as the Heavy, and make sure that the Holiday Punch is active? The Spy won't be able to laugh, but I wonder if you (the player), would laugh. In case that happens, then it would be important to also showcase trying to punch the Spy from behind without having him with the Holiday Punch active.

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03:19, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Actually, never mind. For some reason I thought you also laughed with who you just punched that is also wearing the mittens (it commonly happens when both Heavies hold their left clicks after being tickled). But, the Spy wearing the Holiday Punch may be the best scenario here, so it shows that the disguise is not lost (although make sure to show also without the mittens active, and, when the mittens is active for Spy, punch him from the back, then punch him from the front).

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Power Up Canteen

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Doesn't show Canteen Specialist upgrades like Battery Canteens demo does

Status: No demonstration submitted

I feel like I can do a demonstration for this one. But my canteen is a crafted version so it has my username on it. Is that acceptable ? Kaezle (talk) 04:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

If you right click on it you should be able to remove that. Naleksuh (talk) 06:22, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

I think the stock version (Normal quality) should be used over the Unique one, considering all players have it.

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Chargin' Targe , Tide Turner , and Splendid Screen

This demonstration has been reserved: Cheddar • Talk 13:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Should be redone to show that charging with the shields remove debuffs
Demonstration link

Status: Review needed

Should these be redone to show that they remove debuffs such as Jarate, bleeding, afterburn, etc.? If so, which effects should I specifically show?
GrampaSwood (talk) 08:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the effects that should show are just some of them, not all

Soaking, Jarate is preferable as it make the screen yellow tint.
Fire, simple burn from Flamethrower.
Bleeding, from Southern Hospitality?
Mark for death, from Fan O'War

I think those are all.

Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 12:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that would all be good. — Wind 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I think the Eyelander clip should probably be synced up better, or go one after another. I think the flame stuff should be done using the Flamethrower instead, as getting killed shows "Pyro carrying Cheddar's", try to also get a clip with a Pyro firing their Flamethrower and you charging through it, showing that if you get hit after the charge starts the debuffs don't get removed. Otherwise, looks good.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 13:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Looks good, only missing the clip with the mid-charge debuff being applied. You can do this using Jarate too if you find that easier (since it has splash).

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good, the only thing I would change (if the demo needs other changes) is to have the Jarate in the second Jarate clip be thrown on you mid-way through the charge, rather than at the start (but after you already started charging).

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

The fire overlay doesn't appear in the fire clip · Ashe (talk) 03:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Quick-Fix

This demonstration has been reserved: No one

Status: No demonstration submitted

Old reservation (29 April 2021)

What I've done in addition to the existing one (the timestamp in the parentheses are the old/new ones):

(1:14/1:24) On the first scene demonstrating the Quick-Fix's basic functions, I did the same as the old one, plus damaging myself and the patient Heavy while being Ubered, demonstrating that the Quick-Fix's Uber doesn't reduce incoming damage. I also damaged myself (the Medic) twice instead of once.
(2:09/2:39) When demonstrating the Quick-Fix's heal rate in comparison to the stock Medi Gun, while mostly the same, I used a recently-injured Heavy, so that the heal rate (for each medigun) is at the slowest. I used an offscreen pistol Engineer (hence why the starting HP is 14), teleport commands, and r_cleardecals, so it should look neat.
(2:17/3:01) I demonstrated the knockback immunity from Quick-Fix's Uber the same way, but now there's health and Ubercharge HUD.
(2:56/3:47) I did the "mirror blast jumping" part outdoors, although it might not look neat. I'm sorry.
(3:26/4:17) I demonstrated crit healing (after the recipient doesn't take damage for 10-15 seconds) with the Quick-Fix's Uber in addition to the non-Uber Quick-Fix. Yes, the 3x healing rate Uber stacks with the crit heal.
(3:53/6:56) I redid the "Uber build rate comparison on different HP threshold" because the old one didn't have the Quick-Fix as the second healing beam, hence it doesn't explain if the second healing beam alone would slow down the Quick-Fix's Uber build rate (the Quick-Fix has 125% maximum overheal, lower than the usual Uber build rate penalty at 142.5% overheal).
(4:26/5:06) I demonstrated the Quick-Fix maximum overheal limit and decay rate on Scout vs. Heavy as well as comparing it to the stock Medi Gun's overheal in addition to the "maintain overheal above 125%" that the old video demonstrated. For the last part, I only used one Heavy, as the aforementioned added demonstrations make up for that, and I maintained the overheal above and below 142.5% overheal (Uber build rate comparison) as well as healing the Heavy when the overheal goes down below 125%.
(4:46/8:32) For the "healing disguised Spy" part, I have two enemy bots (Heavy and Demoman) so that the Spy doesn't disguise as a Demoman named "Medic". Both bots are injured, so my disguise will be healed, too.

The new ones (the timestamps refer to the new demonstration):

(7:39) Demonstrating stock Medi Gun's Uber vs. Quick-Fix's Uber (the latter doesn't reduce incoming damage, but prevents incoming knockback unlike the former) and the fact that they have same duration (barring the stock's lingering effect). Also has Quick-Fix's Uber without incoming rockets to demonstrate that the duration is the same.
(7:58) Ubering multiple teammates at the same time drain faster than Ubering a single teammate alone. Also, only the aforementioned Ubering multiple teammates drains Uber faster; Ubering an injured teammate drains at the same rate as Ubering a healthy teammate (fully overhealed) and not healing someone when Ubered.

I did the "Uber draining when dropped" part, but both mediguns show "Dropped by Exaskliri." Is it allowed? I gave the bot the Quick-Fix via bot_mirror command. https://youtu.be/0ZlwvHZrjdU Exaskliri (talk) 04:27, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Nothing you can do about that, that's just how it shows. Shouldn't be too noticeable and there's no point in going through the trouble of setting up a server and getting a buddy to join only so it doesn't show. Though the confusion on where the quick-fix actually is should be redone so it doesn't look like you are looking for it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I just did the "mirroring the explosive jump" part, though I don't think it looks neat. Is it OK? https://youtu.be/NQo1iTxQSEA Exaskliri (talk) 03:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Just finished the whole demonstration. I just need to attach the segments. Exaskliri (talk) 15:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Just finished ~~uploading~~ re-uploading the new Quick-Fix demonstration video to YouTube and MediaFire.

Exaskliri (talk) 08:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't see any problems, except for the the explosive jumps scenes, that looks a bit laggy, and in general the quality, that seems to be more like a rendering issue, though shouldn't be a problem · Ashe (talk) 04:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm fixing the video right now (quieting projector sound, incorrect fade out time, etc.). Gotta reupload soon. Exaskliri (talk) 10:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Just uploaded the fixed version of the Quick-Fix demonstration video. Exaskliri (talk) 13:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

This is spectacular work, thanks a lot! Just two comments, none of which should require a lot of work to fix hopefully:

Video quality also seems to have the same artifacts as the Winger demonstration. Please increase the bitrate. Unlike the Winger demonstration, I understand that a demonstration this long could take forever and use a lot of bandwidth to upload twice (to YouTube and to MediaFire), so if the video quality is approved for the Winger demonstration is good enough and you've used the same settings for re-rendering this demonstration, feel free to just upload the higher-quality Quick Fix demonstration to MediaFire only, in order to avoid having to upload the huge file twice.
There is an audio/video glitch at 9:56 - 9:57.

— Wind 05:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

You finally responded! Thank you so much. The video/audio glitch is from the .dem recording, so I had to conduct another play, especially since it involves another player. Exaskliri (talk) 15:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Alright. Can you upload the new version? — Wind 04:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Kritzkrieg

This demonstration has been reserved: Talk Contribs Steam 22:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Does not show that Kritz Über does not prevent capping or carrying the Intelligence.
Does not show health of patients, overheal is not shown properly.
Demonstration link

Status: Review needed

I think I'll take this one! Greenfox (talk) 20:51, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Please sign your comments using ~~~~.
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

sorry! Greenfox (talk) 06:27, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Could anyone give me advice on how to do this demo? For one thing, this part of the video isn't possible with the new map, and I am not sure what to do.

Talk

Contribs

Steam

00:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Off the top of my head, you could use the wooden separator near the back of the room. So long as its clear the beam disconnects because something is physically between you and the healing target, it shouldn't matter.
Kibblekip ^{T | C} 01:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, I'm trying to make a script to make the bots move, like in the part where the soldier is Übercharged, for example.

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Contribs

Steam

18:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

It's easier to just ask someone for help.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 18:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I am asking for help.

Talk

Contribs

Steam

19:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I believe they mean asking someone to join the server to make some clips easier to get.
Kibblekip ^{T | C} 05:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

What map should I use to demonstrate capping the points?

Talk

Contribs

Steam

03:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Every other Medi Gun demonstration uses Badlands, so just use that.

EDIT: Clarification, Badlands (Control Point) specifically should be used, not the KOTH version.
Kibblekip ^{T | C} 12:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Trading demonstration

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Doesn't show the "Requires Steam Guard verification" window

Status: No demonstration submitted

We can make the same Medic and Heavy conversation joke.

Alright, it seems that Steam won't allow me to change the Trading window language for some reason, so i'm leaving this to a English-speaker user · Ashe (talk) 04:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't think we should redo this just for this reason; there may be more UI changes to that process in the future, and it seems unnecessary. — Wind 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

I think it's necessary. It's the little things that count anyway. If I could do it, should I record the footage of me verifying the trade on my phone?

Talk

Contribs

Steam

03:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Teleporters

This demonstration has been reserved: GrampaSwood, 7-8-2024 17:03 CEST
Needs to show the updated metal cost.

Status: No demonstration submitted

I think the current demo is a bit messy, so I'm making a new order: First clip (showing basic things, requires 3 people):

Build entrance (no speeding up), watch it fully unfold.
Build exit (speeding it up). Take Teleporter once it's fully built.
Fully upgrade to level 3 using 3 pre-spawned full ammo boxes. Upgrade to Level 2 on the Exit, and upgrade to Level 3 on the Entrance (showing both sides share upgrades).
Friendly takes the Tele, enemy player (non-Spy) tries to take the Tele, then an enemy Spy tries to take the Tele (undisguised).

Second clip:

Third screens: left screen shows Tele Entrance being selected from PDA, middle screen shows Tele being selected from PDA, right screen has Tele pre-built and picks it up. All 3 put it down, left stares at it, middle hits it, right stares at it (showing off build speed vs wrench hitting vs redeploying).

Third clip (requires 2 people):

Third screens: Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right. Shows friendly player getting teleported, then walks back to entrance and waits for another teleport. Do this for 3 teleports in total. Alternatively, we take another 2 people. They stand in a line and take Teleporter as I watch. Tele brings them to an off-screen place, and I (Engineer) stop on it last. Both teammates look at the Engi, say a thank you voice line. The last bit is only for a bit of humour, so I can understand if we just take the first option only.

Fourth clip:

Either a single screen (my preference) or one-third screens: Spy walks on Tele undisguised, gets teleported. Walks back to Entrance, disguises, gets teleported. Walks back to Entrance, takes Disguise off, then cloaks and stands on Tele.

Fifth clip:

Spy saps Tele Exit, stand on Tele (showing no teleporting), remove Sapper, repair Tele (shows both sides get healed at the same time). Switch sides, Spy saps Entrance, remove Sapper.

Sixth clip:

Third screens: Spy saps Tele, wait until it dies. Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right.

Seventh clip (requires 2/3 people):

Enemy Heavy stands on Tele Exit, I go through (killing him). I walk back in front of Entrance, Medic with Über pops it on patient (who walks on Tele), I go through (killing him). Medic stands on Exit (with Über still), I kill him. If possible, the first Übered player should have respawned by now as a Spy, noclipped out of frame, then walks onto Tele entrance, going through and telefragging me (Engi).

Optional extra clips: Eureka Effect clip:

Half screen: left has stock, right has Eureka Effect. Both build Tele, grab one of the 2 large ammo boxes in front of them, and start upgrading their Teles. Eureka Effect finishes first as it only needs 200, Stock requires 400.

Setup time clip:

Shows extra fast upgrading of Teles.

If I missed anything, let me know, but this should be all.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 15:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I think this covers pretty much all there is for teleporters.
Cheddar • Talk 15:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Amputator

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Does not show damage against players vs stock

Status: No demonstration submitted

I recorded most of this but medic's health regen is completely random as far I can tell. I can't get the clips to line up so I can properly demonstrate the increased health regen so I'm removing my reservation for the time being. I might try again some other time to brute force it but it doesn't seem promising Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 18:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Not having them be synced up is fine as long as it's clear that the Amputator goes faster.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 18:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

That's not the issue I'm having. It's the part where you're showing that it only regenerates faster while you are actively holding the amputator itself. The original video has a 3-way splitscreen with the left side being Amputator, the middle having the Amputator equipped but switched to hold the medi gun, and the right holding the stock bonesaw. I can't the medi gun side and bonesaw side to sync up so it looks like one of them is slightly faster than the other. One of the two is always slightly faster or slower which makes it really difficult to properly demonstrate that part. Even the actual health you gain each tick is slightly variable from what I can tell. I had 6 different clips and synched them all up and they all finished at different times and would have different health values despite all other variables being equal. All 6 clips started at the same time but all 6 of them have different HP https://imgur.com/3NVTjSG. My only thought for a fix is I could try to cheat and essentially just crop the health bar from one of the clips and paste it onto the other so that way they are perfectly synced up. It'd have to be a seamless edit though which is pretty hard to do. Mediarch

♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 19:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

I'd argue that so long as there is a reasonably larger difference in time between when the Amputator while held reaches full health to the Bonesaw and Medi-Gun clips, even with a minor difference between the latter two the point should get across. Syncing them up would be difficult unless you used a config file to automate the clip upon spawn, as AFAIK Medic regenerates health based on a set timer even while at full health, meaning health can start being restored seemingly inconsistent to when he takes damage.
Kibblekip (talk) 00:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Thermal Thruster

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Video doesn't show the increased knockback while using the item

Status: No demonstration submitted

This video was created when the rule was just "at least 30 fps". Now, the knockback clips are a bit random and doesn't properly show the actual effect. Maybe the demonstrator can show it by placing a pyro aiming upwards and make it airblast them. The clips would be in badwater roof, the left clip without the thermal just falling off from it and the right clip, jumping with the thermal onto the pyro. · Ashe (talk) 17:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Natascha

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Needs to show that when an enemy is being healed by a medi gun or other source (like a dispenser) they're immune to the slowdown.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Ubersaw

This demonstration has been reserved: Myrmxa 19:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Needs swing speed penalty compared to stock.

Status: No demonstration submitted

I don't think it's necessary to show the Spy stabbing you during the Über, I would change that to just holding out the Ubersaw and watching it drain. It looks a bit awkward running into the Spy attacking like that. I also can't tell if the video is too low FPS or if it's just Google Drive, so Ashe will have to be the judge of that. Other than that, looks good.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks like the FPS is good, I do think the ÜberCharge bit should be changed, however.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 20:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Added updated ver. Myrmxa (talk) 19:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

The sound is very quiet. In the first clip, I would wait until the entire ÜberCharge is over before doing the taunt (hold out the Ubersaw to watch the liquid drain). Another clip already shows that you hitting someone mid-ÜberCharge extends the duration.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Machina , Shooting Star

This demonstration has been reserved: Cheddar • Talk 15:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Does not show fully charged damage vs stock.
Machina Shooting Star

Status: Review needed

Might as well add in the Shooting Star too. If possible, during the fully charged damage segment, show side-by-side that the Machina can't fire while unscoped. Andreng (talk) 13:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Looks good.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not convinced to the dmg comparison clip. I think it would be better if you make a comparison with a Demo instead. To make the Machina kill the demo with one shot, try to damage it with one shot of the smg · Ashe (talk) 20:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Ap-Sap , Snack Attack , Red-Tape Recorder

This demonstration has been reserved: Dessensce (talk) 06:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Does not show Sapped Sentry Guns take 33% less damage from the Spy who applied the Sapper.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Battery Canteens

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Needs Canteen Specialist's time bonus for canteens shown.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Classic

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Does not demonstrate damage comparison compared to stock. [Both quickscope and fully charged]
Does not demonstrate jumping while scoping.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic)

Start with the Pyro, Soldier, and Medic, plus the enemy Sniper as shown in the current video.

Inspect the rifle
Scope the rifle without manually charging. Pause for a few seconds.
Charge the rifle to full while scoped. Pause for a few seconds.
Let go of the charge while scoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
Pause for a few seconds and unscope.
Charge the rifle to full while unscoped. Pause for a few seconds.
Let go of the charge while unscoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
Shoot the Pyro with a quickshot bodyshot at the middle of his body, where there is little chance of accidentally hitting the headshot hitbox. Specifically, aim at his middle flame grenade.
Move the crosshair to Pyro's head.
Shoot the Pyro's head with a quickshot "headshot".
Shoot the Pyro's head again, but with a partially charged "headshot".
Aim at Soldier's head, and kill him with a fully charged unscoped headshot.
Aim at enemy Sniper's head, and kill him with a fully charged scoped headshot
Aim at Medic's head, and attack him with a scoped partially charged "headshot"
Move the crosshair to Medic's body, specifically slightly to the left of his lower visible button right above his glove.
Kill the Medic with a fully charged scoped bodyshot.
Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a non-scoped headshot.
Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a scoped fully charged headshot.
Taunt.

Part 2 – Sniper Movement 1

Three split videos of Sniper, left and middle with Classic, right with Sniper Rifle. This will demonstrate that charging slows down the player.

Begin charging the middle Classic. Also begin charging the normal Sniper Rifle.
Move forward to the garage door.

Part 3 – Sniper Movement 2

Two split videos of Sniper, both with Classic. This will demonstrate that releasing a charge returns the speed back to normal.

Begin charging the right-hand side.
For the right-hand camera, release the charged shot by shooting at anywhere in front.
Move forward to the garage door, with no charged shots on either of them.

Part 4 – Scope and Cancelling

Be at a tall location, enough for room to jump up and down. When doing the switching of weapons, make sure the weapon switch menu is visible, not just performing a quickswitch.

Aim straight.
Charge the Classic to full, and then switch to the SMG. Switch back to the Classic.
Repeat Step 2 but switch to the Kukri, then back to the Classic.
Scope and jump.
Unscope the Classic.
Charge the Classic and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
Charge the Classic to full and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
Charge the Classic while scoped and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.

Part 5 – Fall, Land, and Shoot

At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy once you're on the ground.

Charge the Classic.
Fall while still charging.
Shoot at the Heavy while you are on the ground, still with your charged shot ready. If done correctly, Heavy should be able to be dealt more than 50 damage.

Part 6 – Fall and Mid-Air Shoot

At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy mid-air.

Charge the Classic.
Fall while still charging.
Attempt to shoot at the Heavy while in mid-air. If done correctly, Heavy shouldn't be shot because the bullet was not actually shot.

Part 7 - Damage Comparisons, Non-Charged

Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic quickscope bodyshot, top-right is Classic quickscope "headshot", bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope "headshot".

Start from the "natural" aiming position, and specifically point towards the head if the clip is a quickscope "headshot".
Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.

(Heavy is chosen because, unlike the Pyro, the 45 versus 50 damage actually makes a difference to who dies first; Pyro dies in four shots with both rifles for quickscope bodyshots, as opposed to Heavy who dies in 6 with 50 damage and 7 with 45 damage.)

Part 8 - Damage Comparisons, Charged

Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic full bodyshot, top-right is Classic full headshot, bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle full headshot.

(Heavy is chosen because he is killed with three shots from Classic full bodyshots, but two shots with normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshots.)

Scope from all rifles and charge them immediately (or automatically in the case of normal Sniper Rifle)
Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.

For the damage comparisons, Medic could also be used, as a normal quickscope bodyshot takes 3 hits to kill him, or 4 with Classic quickscope bodyshots, and for full bodyshots just either 1 or 2 hits. The light classes won't work, neither for the moderately bulky classes like Pyro and Demo. Soldier also doesn't work for the full bodyshot stage, as he dies in 2 shots for both types.

There's also the interaction with cancelling a charge in water, but not sure if that specific interaction is necessary to demonstrate.

Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Reserve Shooter

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Needs to show damage against targets launched airborne via their own explosives, Thermal Thruster and Grappling Hook.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Forgot to add this here after checking the existing demonstration for reference on how best to handle the Direct Hit's airshot clips on tr_karma_wiki, only to see some clips were also absent for this weapon too.
Kibblekip ^{T | C} 07:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Battin' A Thousand

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Show the taunt with Scout's different melees similar to the Roar O'War demonstration.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Southern Hospitality

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Update to show post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Noticed this while watching the existing demonstration. Currently it shows afterburn inflicts 3 damage per tick (4 with SH), when it is now 4 damage per tick (5 with SH).
Kibblekip ^{T | C} 00:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Invis Watch , Cloak and Dagger

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Update to show post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Quäckenbirdt

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Needs to include afterburn time and damage comparison.

Status: No demonstration submitted

While I was checking over the invis watches to see which ones included the updated afterburn damage, I realized this demonstration was missing the comparison entirely.
Kibblekip ^{T | C} 01:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Warrior's Spirit

This demonstration has been reserved: Scorchshotgaming
Does not show damage against players vs stock

Status: No demonstration submitted

Question, how exactly should I show the damage difference? Scorchshotgaming (talk) 17:48, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

The same way other damage penalty/bonus weapons do.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 17:52, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I am still having the bug where my game freezes. Maybe I can’t do this demo after all. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 18:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Team Fortress Classic

Crowbar (Classic) Crowbar (Classic)

This demonstration has been reserved: Lolimsogreat21
Demonstrate damage and maximum range

Status: No demonstration submitted

Nailgun (Classic) Nailgun (Classic)

This demonstration has been reserved: Lolimsogreat21
Demonstrate damage at close, mid and long range
Demonstrate accuracy and the effects of recoil

Status: No demonstration submitted

Questions and Proposals

Note: This section is for questions and proposals that aren't specific to a single weapon. If you think a demo ought to be remade, then make an entry for it in the Need to be Redone section above and it will be dealt with.

Zombie Infection Zombies

Zombies have different abillities than normal players.

Hello, I am Slimyboi500. I will be doing the demostrations for each zombie in Zombie Infection.

Why, you may ask? Unlike normal gamemodes, the BLU team (or in this case, the zombies), have different abillities than normal:

Scout: Speed Demon
Soldier: Pounce
Pyro: Hellspawn
Demoman: Blast Charge
Heavy: The Tank
Engineer: EMP Grenade
Medic: Heal
Sniper: Spit
Spy: Reveal

They also have different effects, like different amounts of health and speed. The zombies only can use melee attacks however, which makes it harder to kill.

Let me know if it's a good idea or not.

Slimyboi500 (talk) 17:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

If we're doing this, I think there should be a demonstration made for each gamemode, rather than just Zombie Infection. Although ZI has gotten an introduction video now that shows off the mode pretty well, so I don't believe it is necessary.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 17:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

The introduction is missing a few key details, such as not showing the Soldier or Heavy's abilities. I feel like it would be a good idea. Such as like there should be a demo for VSH.

----Slimyboi500 (talk)

18:12, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't show each ability, but it does overall show the gamemode very well and I think does a sufficient job. Although, again, if we are making demonstrations for this, I think one should be made for each gamemode.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 18:18, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I think there should be one for each gamemode.

----Slimyboi500 (talk)

19:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Remember to also indent your signature and to keep your answers above the hidden comment.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 19:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Still, is that a yes on the idea?

----Slimyboi500 (talk)

20:28, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I'm voting no, but other people might be in favour of it. Profiteer was, for example, so I'm waiting for more input.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 20:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I vote yes for the Zombie Infection zombies (as well Saxton Hale on VSH), but not for other gamemodes. I consider these zombies kinda like "new weapons". They all have different abilities, passives, first-person views, etc. I'm not quite sure if there needs to be a demonstration regarding the human part (only if demonstrated humans being infected by zombies upon dying), and perhaps the only thing related to humans would be that zombies drop small healthkits (because it's related to them, the zombies). A showcase of each zombie class, its ability, and some human interactions like being infected by them, and, killing them as humans, would probably be a nifty video package.

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22:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm all in for ZI and VSH demos, but a significant issue would be future balance patches to the modes. Each balance patch so far has significantly changed the zombies, and if we had already made the demo, we would have to redo the video for each one of these updates, which would result in multiple uploads of the same video over and over again and a lot of work (and given how we can barely keep up with the current demos in the backlog...). Maybe instead of a gamemode demonstration, we could simply do a "zombie class demonstration" ("Zombie Sniper", etc.) and a "mechanics demonstration" (weapon modifications, gamemode-specific elements). This way, if a zombie is changed, we wouldn't have to redo the entire video. — Tark 22:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I will do the demo as soon as I get enough votes for it

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18:42, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Voting yes for the demo, ZI and VSH seems stable...for now at leastProfiteer（奸商）the tryhard (talk) 11:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Voting yes for ZI and VSH videos. Videos per zombie for ZI is a good idea. Now, we'll have to wait for the upcoming ZI update, in which I think will be the last one with gameplay changes? · Ashe (talk) 23:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

The only issue is that the maps aren't fitted well for demos, and I can't find out how to turn into zombies on normal maps. The same goes for VSH too.

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00:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ The VScript would have to be ported over, as well as all the assets. Alternatively, doing all of this on an existing map of those game modes.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 00:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Flippin' Awesome and Skullcracker in VSH

When Saxton Hale used Flippin' Awesome or Skullcracker, the other mercenary participating the taunt will be taunt killed, is this something worth remaking the taunt demonstration? Or we just keep the current taunt demonstration, but add this feature into the VSH demonstration? --Alex┋T 18:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I think a VSH demonstration would be better, as it may be confusing why Saxton Hale is suddenly there when he's not normally playable.

| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 19:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, a demonstration regarding VSH, showing all Hale's abilities, and some unique taunt interactions, would be the most ideal (including his default taunt kill). That one would probably be more lengthy, and some things would probably require to be discussed beforehand. Like Mercs being able to wall climb (which is applied to even stock weaponry), should that be shown too?

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20:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I think maybe a demonstration for every game mode could be in order, as a sort of semi-tutorial created by us. A VSH one would fit that too.

| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 08:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Configs for partner taunt demonstrations

I've created some configs for partner taunt demonstrations. It automatically spawns 2 bots, places you in the starting position, and has another small command ("teleport") to input after it to teleport both the bots to the right position. It binds H and J to the bots performing taunts, H = BLU bot does taunt, J = RED bot does taunt. They're all class-specific and automatically kick any other bots there. There's no way (right now) that I know of to update the weaponref.zip, so if anyone needs it I can forward you a zip of the files. Just let me know on my talk page (or if you know of a way to update weaponref).
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 23:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

New tr_karma and requirements

I've been working in the past week in fixing some issues tr_karma has and some new guidelines. The changes to tr_karma are:

Increased lightmap quality in the interiors
Fixed a "checkerboard" texture in the gas cylinder, the ceiling fan and the cardboard boxes
Added chat scripts to enable noclip (!n in the chat), regenerate (!r), spawn an ammo pack (!am) and enable demonstration server settings (!demo) (these commands are available also in the new tr_karma_basic.cfg)
Fixed the func_buttons in the wood targets only working once, thus displaying the hit particle once
Removed Tough Break cases and the Gargoyle prop as they didn't fit the ambience
Removed the mining cart prop in the rails due of a lighting issue
Repacked the map, reducing the map size from ~91 MB to ~18 MB

The link to the download and new proposed guidelines are here. Check them out and give feedback · Ashe (talk) 16:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Issues with tr_krama and tr_krama_event

When I start a local server and load tr_krama/tr_krama_event, it won't load (probably because it doesn't exsit) lights/shadow making the map super bright, this only happens on 2 krama maps, I tried to download a modified version of tr_krama on workshop and it worked perfectly, pretty sure something is missing in the map file from weaponref.zip.Profiteer the tryhard (talk|contribute) 05:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

It works fine on my end.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 10:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Join the IRC to help you @Profiteer · Ashe (talk) 21:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

@Profiteer do you have HDR enabled? · Ashe (talk) 16:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Question about 2D and 3D player models

A question I've had for a while about weapon demonstrations is, is there a specific reason that 2D player images in the HUD are standard rather than the 3D player model (be it for performance, consistency, or any other reason), also considering that 3D player models are enabled by default? The 3D model could also generally be more useful for certain cosmetics or demonstrations. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 16:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

they're buggy, eat up frame rate on a lot of systems, and aren't really necessary. I don't think they really add anything of value to the videos so my vote would be to keep them disabled. Mediarch

♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 16:50, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know, there's no real reason that we prefer one over the other. 3D models are enabled by default, but it may have just been something that was done for a while and became the standard.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 16:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Fair point, it would obviously be a massive hassle to redo every demonstration with a 2D player model. Also for some people I suppose keeping them off improves framerate. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 19:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's because when they were added to the game, it caused lag to a lot of people. The recent 64 bits update fixed the 3d character using a lot of cpu and now it shouldn't affect fps (although i guess modern pcs didn't have issue with it anyways) · Ashe (talk) 15:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Mastercomfig question

I am planning to make a demonstration, and the recommended requirements state that Mastercomfig High/Ultra is preferrable. However, I highly doubt my PC is able to run Mastercomfig High/Ultra properly and all the other high graphics settings. Is it acceptable if I use Mastercomfig Medium High and use average graphics settings? May look slightly lower quality than a typical reservation, but I don't think much will be affected. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 21:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Ultra is preferable, but setting your game to all max settings should suffice.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 21:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, I'll look through some configurations, and if I find one that looks high enough quality without sacrificing my computer's performance I will use it (my PC is not too high spec, to say the least). My demonstration is for the Cleaner's Carbine; once you review it tell me your thoughts. For me this is especially important because I will need to screen record this too. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 21:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Closed Captions/Subtitles

Random thought today for a low priority task: creating subtitle files to explain what is being demonstrated during the videos. Potentially beneficial for new players; for example, and what made me think of this, during the pomson video we're shown a spy POV getting hit by the pomson to demonstrate the cloak drain, which is only noticed if the player is looking at the cloak HUD element, which is pretty easy to miss (imo), especially if you're new and have no idea what's going on and are just looking at the engie firing the shot.

Looking at youtube supported formats I'd reckon TTML is probably the way to go since it supports positioning (important imo) and styling (not very important imo). I've found this open source editor which supports TTML and offers a built in video-from-url import for syncing. - After messing around for a bit, positioning seems very disconnected between the previews in that app and actually uploading the files to youtube, although once the proper settings are found it should be a breeze to copy paste the templates before submitting, might investigate after finals done next week if I can remember.

On the admin side of things, seems like it's about 5 clicks to add a subtitle file. Subtitle editor permissions exist so it doesn't have to only be one person officially implementing these (which is what uploads appears to be if I'm not mistaken). Potentially the actual subtitle file contents could be put into this project's page as subpages e.g. Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000 Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000/es and then create a category to mark them as ready to upload/update. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 19:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Investigation has been made, a combination of the subtitling software aegisub and a corresponding converter app work wonderfully. No positioning nonsense like all the other editors I could find and they offer style + positional templates so everything can be standardized. I've uploaded an example for half of the pomson demo (creating templates and finding the software wore me out too much to finish it rn). 240p bc I have .1kbps upload and can't be arsed waiting to upload HD. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 06:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The issue is actually uploading the subtitles. I've actually uploaded subtitles for all intro videos back when we uploaded the zombie infection one and it was such a pain... I took me days. YouTube has a way to bulk upload them, but it seems limited to business accounts, which we are not and can't apply for.

A request that is very frequent, and something that I've done a few times, is adding timestamps for when something happens in a video (c this video - a commenter asked to add timestamps for each minigun). I think we could do that more often out of courtesy (it actually does help), but not as a requirement for demos. — Tark 17:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

As mentioned, there is a separate permission for subtitles. Seems like you can also upload the subtitles from an API. Potentially this can be combined with the subtitle page idea and have a bot with a subtitle permission yt account to automatically upload them from the wiki. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 18:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I personally don't like the idea of describing it with text, as I'm afraid we or the people might get reliant on it, rather than the textless demonstration. Plus, it'll likely become outdated very fast.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 19:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Achievement Demonstrations on the official TF Wiki YouTube channel

Weapon demonstrations are very helpful in letting newer players know how a weapon fires or how an unlock's attributes affect standard gameplay, while keeping older players up-to-date on balance changes. But what if we assisted players of all kinds in learning how to earn TF2's 520 achievements? Introducing Achievement Demonstrations! (Video)

"Why demonstrate achievements?"

TF2 has hundreds of achievements, with many having rather vague descriptions. Thus, actively attempting to earn them may seem daunting to many players. Demonstration videos would provide clarity and encouragement to both newcomers and achievement hunters alike.

"How should achievements be demonstrated?"

Any achievements showcased should be earned in intended ways, utilizing simplest methods. This page should serve as a general guide. Weapon unlocks and cosmetics should be avoided unless essential to earning the achievement. General achievements that are earnable by any class should feature the Scout by default. Demonstrations should be primarily versus bots, though versing another player will be necessary at times.

Taunt kill and Deathcam-related achievements: Should feature the victim's Deathcam perspective of the player earning the achievement.
Achievements involving performance of a repetitive task over a lengthy period of time: Should be presented with a fade effect representing a time lapse, with only the start and earning of the achievement needed to be shown.
Milestone achievements: Could be accomplished with either a brief compilation of the prerequisite achievements being earned, or with a simple showing of only the final achievement popup, along with the associated achievement item being claimed from the notifications menu.
Achievements requiring Steam friends: These will require alt accounts or coordination amongst contributors.
Unobtainable achievements (ie certain Replay achievements): Should be presented with a note informing watchers the achievement is currently unable to be earned.
Joke achievements: A demonstration should not be necessary for these.

"Where should achievements be demonstrated?"

Achievements should generally be showcased on tr_karma_wiki, tr_karma_event_wiki, or a variant edited in Hammer with altered bot spawn locations.

Arena achievements: arena_karma_wiki.
Capture the Flag achievements: ctf_karma_wiki.
Control point achievements: cp_karma_wiki.
King of the Hill achievements: koth_karma_wiki.
MvM achievements: mvm_karma_wiki. Can utilize custom waves.
Payload achievements: pl_karma_wiki.
Map-specific achievements: The official map associated with the achievement. MvM maps can utilize custom waves.
Event-related achievements: tr_karma_event_wiki or an edited variant.
Replay achievements: Should only use replays taken from one of the maps listed above.

$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 19:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Con My personal vote on this would be a no. I just don't see the need and it would feel spammy. The majority of achievements are pretty self explanitory. The few that are vague are thouroughly explained in the "Obtaining Achievements" type pages. This would be a massive ammount of work to produce and aprove all of these for what feels like very little to no gain in my opinion. Producing hundreds of videos explaining basic things feels like a huge waste of energy. I could maybe see an argument for making "official guides" for some of the more convoluted achievements but the wiki definitely shouldn't be making hundreds of videos covering basic stuff like "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances". Mediarch

♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 20:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Time and energy are non-factors as I am entirely willing to solo produce these if needed. And even basic achievements have their nuances. Per your example, does "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances" include ones that are being constructed? What about ones that are being sapped? Do destruction assists count? Et cetera. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 20:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I've heard that quite a few times about different projects, this is not something you will finish, trust me. I personally don't believe these add much value, some achievements are very self-explanatory, and the how-to is exactly why we have these pages. It's a neat idea, but there's too much that would go into these (including needing to pretty much reset all your achievements each time). If a project is going to be made, it needs to be accessible for everyone, or at least more than a few people willing to reset all their achievements.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 22:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

It took only a few hours to make/edit the 5 example videos, the rest of the time I spent working on this project was spent planning and mapping (I had to learn how to use Hammer). Realistically, it would only take a few months for me to complete them all, and that's just with one person working on them. As for resetting achievements, Steam Achievement Manager is a facilitative way to modify your Steam achievement progress at will. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 23:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

And to refute the idea that a lot of the achievements are "too basic," this same logic could apply just as much to any other demonstrations: weapons can simply be playtested by anyone booting up the game and firing them a few times, taunts can be freely previewed in the Mann Co. Store, all the cosmetic videos exist simply to show they can earn assists, and so on. Meanwhile, a great deal of achievements are rather specific or obtuse in how to actually earn them and would greatly benefit from a video demonstration. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 23:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘There is no real refuting here, this is people giving their opinion. The issue is that, yeah, it's possible to do this on your own, but if you're going to have to make 520 videos you're going to give up at some point. As for Steam Achievement Manager, that's an outside program that may or may not be considered a cheat by Valve (at the very least, we don't wanna rely on this program to have to reset specific achievements). Weapons can be playtested, unless you don't have them. Taunts can be previewed in the store, except it doesn't show off M1/M2, and doesn't show off a full taunt (intro, loop, exit). Cosmetic demonstrations aren't being made anymore because they're all the same, so we scrapped them.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 23:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

SAM is moreso a debugging tool than a cheat. I'm certain most people use it to earn bugged achievements that wouldn't activate for them for whatever reason. That argument aside, I am more than willing to continue working on this project if given a greenlight, or in the case the greenlight only comes after a certain trust is built, I'd still be working on it until then. I'll provide updates, including more videos, more maps, thumbnails, etc. The only achievements I might need outside help with are the ones which require multiple Steam friends. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 00:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

It's not much of a debugging tool, but there are in-game features to reset achievements, too, which is what we would use instead. The Wiki being official means if we officially require people to use that program, it's a form of endorsement, which is not something we want. Many achievement demonstrations would also simply not be interesting or very hard to demonstrate (winning 142 rounds of a map, collect 1 million MvM credits/killing 1 million robots, destroying 100 enemy stickybombs with the Scottish Resistance). Some would also not be a proper demonstration: Winning a map without losing a control point on Hydro or winning a round of Well within 5 minutes would just consist of either regular gameplay or an empty server where you run on control points. The former is too much for a demonstration, and the latter is not demonstrating anything. Also note, this is the last message I'll leave here (but I will still watch the conversation) as I don't want the convo being stopped by a constant back-and-forth and possibly have people not engage in the conversation because of it.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 00:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I can see the rationale behind wanting to use the more 'official' means of resetting achievements, and I will aim to utilize that from now on. As far as whether or not an achievement is demonstrated "properly," this is entirely subjective, as achievements can be earned in a variety of ways outside the intended/idealistic means; I merely wish to provide an example of the most basic methods which anyone can reliably follow. Whether or not a demonstration is "interesting" is also subjective. I appreciate the earnest provision of your viewpoints and criticisms, and I too shall disengage from this back-and-forth to allow more opinions to be shared. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 00:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I really don't see the issue with using SAM or any other tool to lock/unlock the achievements as needed for the demo... The argument that we'd be endorsing it is quite absurd, this would be behind-the-scenes stuff.

That said, it is unreasonable to make over 500 videos and some achievements would be hard to demonstrate (progress ones, for example). I wouldn't be against making a "walkthrough" for some very specific achievements like the Merasmus TV one, but that wouldn't really fall under this project (it would just be an addition to the strategy page). — Tark 17:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I've updated the Achievement Demonstrations folder with better organization and 50 more demonstrations! This took a little under 2 weeks. All newly-added demonstrations have been listed in changelog.txt. Feel free to give them a glance! (Note: all future project updates will be addressed via the changelog until project completion.) $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 21:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Update status on the Team Fortress Classis demonstration project

Some of you here may remember when two years ago, a user by the name of @Anonymus0 decided to make a proposal about doing Weapon Demonstration videos about the Team Fortress Classic weapons. Although the wiki had no such infrastructure to support the newfound idea (Tfc demonstration maps, guidelines, rules etc.) the proposal still received mass support; thus prompting me, as well as a number of other editors, most notably Yossef, to collaborate together on turning this young idea into reality. However, despite some early success in recording, due to Yossef's family situation coupled with my vanning interest in the wiki, the project died down....up until now.

Because now, I would like to announce that the first major hurdle in making Tfc demonstration weapons, namely that of getting a proper demonstration map, has been overcome! For that reason, I will present you 4 different demonstration maps that I had created. Why 4, you may ask? Well I knew that as a very much novice map maker, I could not possibly make a good demonstration map from the first try; so I decided to make multiple different maps and ultimately let you, *the community*, collectively decide which of the presented maps should be used for demonstrations. This of course means that any criticism, praise, suggestions and comments about the upcoming maps is very much appreciated and wanted. It must also be noted that many of the maps shown here are not complete. In fact, this is a deliberate choice, as I first wanted to get community feedback about the overall layout and "feel" of the map, before decorating them with details and whatnot. Anyway, here are the maps:

1st map is called Wind_tunnel, and its demonstration video can be found here. 2nd map is called backup_final (keep in mind that these names are only temporary, the chosen map will be renamed into tr_lolim) and its demonstration video is here. 3rd map's name is tr_karma, which you can see here. And finally, the 4th one is called tr_lol_test_tfc and can be found here. The maps are chronologically ordered, meaning that the first map Wind tunnel is oldest/earliest one that I created, while tr_lol is my final one. As you can see, Wind tunnel and Backup final are the most completed maps, featuring an outdoors obstacle course section, a pit, as well as a grenade testing range. However, the other two maps shouldn't be judged for their lack of such things, since the outdoors part can easily be copied from the other two and added on. Of much, much greater importance to me is knowing whether the main testing chamber/firing range, as well as the overall layout/architecture is of satisfactory enough quality to be used for a professional and official setting like the Team Fortress Wiki. Further more, here are the wireframe overviews of some of the maps listed: (Wind Tunnel), (tr_karma), (tr_lol)

Once again, I leave it up to the community to decide which of these maps is the most valuable one; or if my mapping skills are that bad, if none of them are worth while, in which case I will happily scrap all 4 maps and start over again. This time, hopefully, it wont take me 2 years to finish a new batch :D. As for download links, I didn't provide them since once again; the maps are not finished and are expected to undergo many revisions, both as I and the community see fit. However, if someone really wants to see/edit these early maps for themselves, they can contact me in private and I can provide both the .bsp and the .quark (the map making engine) file.

Anyway, although the largest hurdle for this project has hopefully been overcome, there are still more technical problems that prevent me from just pumping out TFC demonstrations, they are as follows:

Lack of proper bot programs: It is true that online, you can find many bot programs compactable with tfc, however none of them can be used for demonstration purposes. Namely, all of those programs are combat bots. The ones which move around and shoot you. Even worse, except for the command to spawn them and change their difficulty, they cannot be in anyway controlled or manually manipulated. I eventually took one of these programs and delved into its files, where I erased the waypoints the bots use to move around. This fixed the problem of them moving around, since now when they spawn, they get permanently locked into place. However they still lock on and target hostile bots and players, and they keep trying to "escape" their prison by constantly hopping in place. I'm contemplating picking up programming and simply creating a bot program myself, but that will certainly take time.
No damage indicators: Tfc doesn't display any damage numbers when you damage someone. I haven't found any mods that seem to add them, meaning that the only way to know the damage you dealt is to use the console. However, I do not know could this be presented in a video format.

That seems to be it. While I wait for community feedback, I will continue to try and find workarounds/fixes for these problems. Thank you for your attention :D! Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 09:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

I'm not going to lie, this project has been entirely stagnant so there's clearly not much interest from anyone actually involved in the project. It's easy to say "yeah this is a great idea", but then when it comes to actually doing it, others have to figure it out. The maps were the least of our worries, as they can be made easily, and definitely not the biggest hurdle. The bots and damage numbers will most likely require game modification to work, or at least a good knowledge of the game (for the bots). Otherwise, it'll always have to be two people, which requires servers too. This just seems like way too much work to figure it out, so I think if this hasn't been solved in 3 months I might just indefinitely shut it down.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 13:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

As fascinating as it is, and the work is appreciated, I feel as if it's just far too much work from a recording an editing standpoint, especially without damage numbers and everything that TF2 has its gonna be pretty hard to record any sort of demonstration unless you go through the whole process of manually adding numbers to the video to indicate damage. Unfortunately I don't believe most would be able to cope with all that work.
Cheddar • Talk 13:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I can see that the general outlook on this project is quite pessimistic, which I can understand perfectly. However, there have been more developments that I've made this week, which could bring this proposal one more step closer to realization. Namely, the Foxbot bot program, which almost certainly isn't intended for the purposes I'm trying to shoehorn it into, is actually quite a bit more flexible then I initially thought and reported to you. Turns out that with some careful and delicate usage of the waypoint system, it is possible to (crudely) manipulate and somewhat exert control over the bots. Couple this with the skilfull usage of something called waypoint tags, and I managed to actually bug out the bot's navigation, to the point where they become completely docile and unmoving, ready to be used for demonstration purposes. Finally, the command botsdontshoot ensures that they won't target me, allowing me to even control the direction they are facing. While this setup cannot be saved, meaning that every time I load a map I need to do the whole procedure again, it works perfectly and looks something like this

Only minor issue still remaining is that when the bots get killed, they will respawn back into their "unbugged" state and start jumping and moving about. Since the command mp_respawn_time doesn't work, and there is no way to stop them from respawning, I simply solved the issue by disabling chat messages and then binding one of my keys to the kick command and immediately kicking the bot upon death; if I'm fast enough they wont even get to respawn. (In the video they did, hence the loud obnoxious sound in the background). Finally, the Foxbots have a couple of tricks up their sleeves over their tf2 counterparts, namely the botcam command, which allows me to see from the pov of the bots, which could be immensely useful in demonstrations, but I've yet to do extensive testing on it.

I consider the bot issue solved, leaving only the damage numbers remaining, however things got complicated here. Turns out, I was wrong in believing that the console shows damage received by other players, or if it does, I don't know how to get it do that. This not only means that there are no damage numbers shown during the actual testing, but there is no record kept of the damage another player received at a given moment, from which damage numbers could then be extrapolated and edited in during the post production. This is actually fine for most weapons. There is no damage falloff in tfc, meaning that a single shot from, say the nailgun, will always do the exact amount of damage at all ranges. Meaning that as long as all shots hit their target, I can simply count the amount of ammo a weapon consumed and then add in damage numbers. The real trouble makers are the Shotguns and the Assault gun, who fire multiple pellets/buletts per single ammo, and have a wide spread, making it impossible to know the exact damage dealt unless at extremely close ranges, where every shot is expected to connect. I'll still looking for a solution to this, so wish me luck. Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 22:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

This sounds like a ton of effort, and definitely not worth it nor easy to get into for the average person. It's possible, but having to rely on the bots being bugged out and having to do this every single time to do something. This is just too much effort, unless it can be done easily I don't see much of a point.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 23:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Well If ease of demonstration is such a problem, there might be a way to remedy it quite easily. Checking out the Foxbot download site, it seems that a botdontmove command, which is something that would drastically cut down on the setup process, is actually on the developer's to-do list. And since the last update to foxbot came out in July of this year, it isn't out of the question that the next update could also arrive relatively soon, at least sooner then your 3 month deadline... However, in my opinion, there is no reason to wait any further. I have the maps, I have the (semi-functioning) bots and I can demonstrate 12 out of the 19 weapons (not counting the grenades) by simply guessing the damage numbers with reasonable accuracy. So unless someone gets any army of alternative accounts, or multiple players are willing to come together for a demonstration (which clearly won't happen and is very expensive), then this is the way the cookie will crumble. Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 11:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

Unforutnately, the way the cookie will crumble is the project being scrapped. Damage numbers are is the biggest thing to show here, if they're based on a guess and not going to be natively supported, the project will just be scrapped instead. The reason to wait is because the whole purpose of these videos is to show off the weapons, if you can't show off the damage properly with damage numbers that are entirely accurate instead of a "guess with reasonable accuracy" then we're not doing it yet. Even if you know the damage entirely, having to individually add these for each weapon is way too much effort.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 12:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Alright alright, I can see that I didn't express myself clearly enough/forgot to say something important, so forgive me please. Namely, there is a way to see how much damage you've dealt someone in tfc, and that is to hop into the spectator team and hover over other players, which will display their armour and health. So in theoryyyyy (say when demonstrating the shotgun); you can pop one shot into the opponent, hop into spectator and see how much health is left and then go back to blue team, use some kind of autoclicker/script in order to return to the same mouse position, and repeat the whole process again. Afterwards, you can simply cut out the whole "you checking the bots' health" in order to make it appear as if the shotgun was firing continuously, and use the knowledge to add in damage numbers (simply extrapolate the damage by seeing how much of bot's health was left in every incriment of firing from their base health). Is this very difficult to do, yes. But like all the other things in this project, what matters is that it's possible, atleast to me. Now, is this a genuine and native demonstration? No. Does it involve pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes? Yes. But judging from the talk at demonstration for Chemistry set, it seems that the wiki is fine with using illusions in order to make something appear to happen rather then actually happen. So I see no problem with it.

Anyway, here is the prototype of the first Nailgun demonstration, damage numbers and all included. [1] Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 20:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘There's a difference between "pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes" to save on costs, and having to manually add in each damage number, move each of them, and do that for every single time there's damage. The font and music don't really match up, as they're both meant for TF2. As much as I'd like this to succeed, having to (after EVERY shot) hop into spectator to find out how much damage was done and writing it down to then edit it is too much effort. Even if something is possible, like I've mentioned a few times, if it requires as much tedious work as having to shoot once, go to spectator, view health, note down health, return back to position, and repeat it's just not worth it. We've seen this with cosmetic items that had Pyroland assists, no one wants to do them, it piles up, and eventually we just scrapped them entirely.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 21:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Timestamps on all videos

As the name suggests I'm interested in providing new/updated timestamps for the majority of the existing wiki videos where it may be applicable, as well as making any new ones when new videos get uploaded. I would create a doc with all videos listed along with timestamps written down for each of them.
-- Nemesis07 (talk) 23:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Timestamps could be good. However, the weapon demonstration videos don't really have a structured order so it could be tedious to make timestamps for those videos. I only added them to some videos like the medic mvm shield · Ashe (talk) 03:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I sorta agree with Ashe. I don't think timestamps are really necessary for most videos. The majority of demonstrations are really short (2:00 or less in most cases) so I don't think there would be a big benefit to timestamps for every single segment. Seems like more work than it would be worth for most demonstrations. Mediarch

♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 14:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Getting existing playlists up-to-date and adding new ones

Currently the channel only has a couple of playlists that doesn't include all of the videos, I'm interested in helping create additional playlists for all of the videos to potentially make it easier to find certain videos.
-- Nemesis07 (talk) 23:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

People dont' really use playlists, and the ones that currently exist are for group of "unique" videos. Making a playlist for all the weapons or per-class wouldn't make sense · Ashe (talk) 03:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

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+== {{Demo Header|Chemistry Set}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = review needed
+ | reservation = [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 11:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC) <!-- Due to the more "special" status of this chemistry set, this reservation lasts indefinitely until the user themselves or a weapon reviewer removes it. -->
+ | changes =
+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FnZhpTuOcL4AZ88gamf0nqwYCA4qRdqm/view?usp=sharing
+}}
-== Demonstrating item sets ==
+<div class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:100%">
+Old discussion (2020)
+<div class="mw-collapsible-content" style="width:100%; text-align:left">
+Hi, just made a vid demonstration about Chemistry kit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2uEkaw6Jbs&feature=youtu.be
+What should i do next? ~ Fokus 03.06.2020 16:50 GMT+2
-Here's an idea: demonstration for item sets. Demos of stuff like:
+:Hi there,
+: You now have to wait for [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] to respond. He usually does this every week on Sundays, though he's very busy nowadays.
+: My advice on your video is: Don't start in the Main Menu, start in the backpack (first page) instead. Make sure your backpack's page is also clear of other stuff, so when you finished using the chemistry set it doesnt go to the third page and you'll have to drag it from there. Show yourself using the Chemistry Set, too, it's part of its functionality. Your video also seems to have a delay between sound and the video.
+: It also lacks editing.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 15:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
+:::> he's very busy nowadays
+:::You give me too much credit. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
-*Scout with 125 HP gets hit. Set Scout with 150 HP hets hit.
+::Hi, thanks for tips. I fixed the video, now it should be much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fgON6QQ6Mk&feature=youtu.be <br />
-*Soldier gets hit by sentry. Set Soldier with set gets hit by sentry and survives longer.
+::[[User:Fokuskii|Fokuskii]] ([[User talk:Fokuskii|talk]]) 23:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
-*Pyro runs, get killed by boolets. Set Pyro runs faster, get killed by boolets faster.
-*Demo gets hit by fire. Set Demo gets hit by fire and takes less damage.
-*Heavy gets hit by crits. Set Heavy gets hit by crits and survives longer (?)
-*Medic takes damage, recovers health. Set Medic takes damage, recovers health faster.
-*Sniper gets headshooted. Set Sniper gets headshotted and survives.
-*Spy cloaks, decloaks, bumps into someone. Set Spy decloaks with no sound, bumps into someone too.
-And stuff like that. Of course, that would require people to have the set hats. -- [[User:OluapPlayer|<font color="red">'''OluapPlayer'''</font>]] <sub>([[User_talk:OluapPlayer|t]])</sub> {{adm}} [[File:User OluapPlayer Sig.png|Howdy, pardner!]] 21:56, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
+:::The same problem applies with the backpack. It should start on the first page (that's empty except for the required items). The section where you hover over the chemistry set is too long, perhaps make it 1 or 2 seconds. The same thing applies to the end, show the strangifier being applied. It also lacks fading (A lot of these things can be fixed with simple editing, but I think the pages thing will have to be done with a new one :\)<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 13:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
-:{{c|Support}} Yes, I like dis weapons. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:57, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
+:::The video should also be 1080p (your first version was 1080p but the second version is 720p). Agreed with all other comments — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
-:{{c|Oppose}} According to the project page, the point of this project is to "To demonstrate how weapons work (duh); firing animation, reloading animation, projectile trajectory, speed, damage, and simply viewmodel". I feel like demonstrating sets doesn't apply to 6/7 of those objectives. IMHO, the set bonuses are quite simple and self explanatory in comparison to some of the weapons --[[User:natemckn|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:deeppink">Nate</span>]] <sup>([[User_talk:natemckn|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/natemckn|C]])</sup> 23:17, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
-:{{c|Support}} If you're sticking strictly to the objectives, then all non-projectile weapons and melee weapons each disobey one of the seven. Plus there's no reason not to show it; for example, some people might want to see just how well a tank-busting Soldier can stand up to a Sentry. Either way, if we do make these videos, I'd suggest putting them on the pages for the set hats rather than the main [[Item sets]] page - BUT the Demo and Medic sets don't actually include hats, so that might be a problem. Ideas? —[[User:KarasuGamma|烏Γ]] ''<sup>([[User talk:KarasuGamma|kaw at me]])</sup>, 02:06, 16 January 2011 (UTC)''
-:{{c|Support}}I think this is a good idea. I've always been curious has to how much the sets do, like for the Tankbuster I don't know how big of a deal 20% is. I say go for it. [[User:KingofKoopas|KingofKoopas]] 04:00, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
-:{{c|Support}} I was just going to suggest this, I guess we'd put the demo videos on the stat bonus page. I have all the set bonuses, so if this gets approved I can help with it. Perhaps for the resistance ones we could have a 3rd person perspective showing the decrease of health differing or something of the sort. [[User:Raptor Llama|Raptor Llama]] 21:07, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
-:{{c|Support}} Videos are fun. Also, they'll show players exactly how much the bonus matters. If we do make them, we ought to put them on the pages of all the items that comprise the set. If we need to, we could make them a sub-category of weapon demonstrations. -[[User:Armisael|Armisael]] 20:17, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-:{{c|Support}} It's probably going to be a leetle tricky to make the Heavy set bonus perceptible, but if someone can do it, it's us! &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:NVis|<span style="color:#202020;">nVis</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:NVis|<span style="font-size:smaller;color:#40beef;">(talk)</span>]] 18:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-::As far as I can tell, there are two good choices for the heavy demonstration. Obviously, both heavies have to have the claws equipped. There's only one weapons that is neither streaming nor has a bleed/fire/explosion effect associated with it: the L'étranger (3 critical hits vs. 4). If the set heavy eats the steak, and takes minicrits, there are more options. [[User:Armisael|Armisael]] 19:18, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::I was thinking about shooting a crocket at the Heavies. Crockets do 270 damage, so both would survive. -- [[User:OluapPlayer|<font color="red">'''OluapPlayer'''</font>]] <sub>([[User_talk:OluapPlayer|t]])</sub> {{adm}} [[File:User OluapPlayer Sig.png|Howdy, pardner!]] 19:25, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::That's the problem with almost every weapon in the game; they don't distinguish between a set heavy and a non-set heavy with the claws. A quick scroll down the weapon page makes it seem as if the bats (basher excepted) are the only thing added by the minicrits. The chart below shows the ranges that the base weapon damage has to be in; they're absurdly tight, and absurdly rare.
-{| class="wikitable grid" align="Left" style="text-align: center;margin-bottom: 10px"
+I have both an alt and a professor speks chemistry set for this demonstration, I just have yet to find the password to the account...<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
-! class="header" | Number of Hits to non-set kill
-! class="header" | Full Crit Range
-! class="header" | Minicrit Range
-|-
-|align="left"|'''One'''
-|94-98
-|208-219
-|-
-|align="left"|'''Two'''
-|47-49
-|104-109
-|-
-|align="left"|'''Three'''
-|32 (L'étranger)
-|70-72
-|-
-|align="left"|'''Four'''
-|24
-|52-54
-|-
-|align="left"|'''Five'''
-|19
-|42-43
-|-
-|align="left"|'''Six'''
-|16
-|35-36 (bat)
-|-
-|align="left"|'''Seven'''
-|14
-|30-31
-|}
-<br clear="all" />
-Overanalyzed for this conversation? Probably. -[[User:Armisael|Armisael]] 19:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-:{{c|Comment}} I got L'etranger, Your Eternal Reward, and Familiar Fez (Saharan Spy) so if this thing goes through, I could deal with that. Maybe Cloak myself and the Spy Bot and make to hit each other a couple times or something. If it matters, I also have Ullapool Caber (1/2 of Expert's Ordnance) and Holy Mackerel (1/4 of Special Delivery). Well, I have spares of those 2 Weapons anyway, but I also have Bushwacka (1/4 Croc-o-Style), Brass Beast (1/3 Hibernating Bear), and Degreaser (1/3 Gas Jockey) available if push comes to shove. I got other Polycount Weapons, but those are Store-bought and therefore, not tradable (Without Gift Wrap). [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 10:10, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
+Hey, was wondering if this was still open? I can do a possible version with a collector chemistry kit but not sure if it matters if it's strangifier or collector's. [[User:God&#39;sWrath|God&#39;sWrath]] ([[User talk:God&#39;sWrath|talk]]) 01:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
-::You can just edit items_game.txt to give yourself all the items you want, so availability is not a problem here — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:00, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-== Scottish Resistance ==
+:It's still open, although a collector's kit may be too large as it would require showing all 100 items added.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
-I wanted to try my hand at weapon demonstration, so I reserved a gun. Only afterwards did I realize that the Resistance requires a ton of stuff to be shown:
+::Ah, alright so what if I show a strangifier first and add a section for the collector's where I only put 1 in but I put disclaimer stating it's x amount of x items and not 1 item for a collector's kit? So video doesn't drag out. [[User:God&#39;sWrath|God&#39;sWrath]] ([[User talk:God&#39;sWrath|talk]]) 03:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
-* Faster firing speed
+:::Just pick a simpler, cheaper chemistry set like in the first video · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 05:15, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
-* Maximum placed stickies
+</div></div>
-* Slower arm time
-* Selective detonation
-** Sticky jumping still possible
-* Breaking stickies
-These are what I'm going to try to demonstrate later. If anyone thinks of stuff to add beforehand, go ahead - I'll check the page before I start recording. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:NVis|<span style="color:#202020;">nVis</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:NVis|<span style="font-size:smaller;color:#40beef;">(talk)</span>]] 00:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
-Be sure to show that stickies det if they're near you, whether you're looking at them or not. [[User:Armisael|Armisael]] 01:06, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
+I've reserved this but I've been thinking it over and I'm not sure if it's really necessary. The [[Strangifier]] demonstration shows the exact same process of completing a chemistry set to acquire a strangifier and then applying it to the item. Both demonstrations would bassically be the same. Do we really need two demonstrations showing the exact same thing? Or what should this demonstration do to be different from the Strangifier demonstration? [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 22:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
-:I had some trouble with codecs and syncing the audio, but eventually managed to get it working after several attempts: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gDyGDO6Q7U Scottish Resistance v1]. It demonstrates most of what I wanted it to, but it doesn't exactly follow the proposed format. I'm pretty happy with the timing, though. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:NVis|<span style="color:#202020;">nVis</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:NVis|<span style="font-size:smaller;color:#40beef;">(talk)</span>]] 23:31, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
+:I'm about to craft some of my handshake chem sets. I have two clean ones but I'd rather not craft them and use my partial ones instead. One of these partial ones requires 198. I am thinking I can show a clean one, open it, fill in the first page (drag half, double click half) then do a fade cut where I've swapped to the 198 one on the last page with all the other pages filled in and actually craft that one instead. Within the crafting window there would not be any difference since the input page count for both is 17, there is just 6 on the last page instead of 8 but you would not notice this unless you did the math. If this is acceptable, do you want me to showcase the 4 pages of handshakes required for crafting it or just the 1st page with the chem set and 49 shakes? [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 03:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
-::[http://www.mediafire.com/?d2j3t2qco268e01 Here] is the original AVI file, just in case. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:NVis|<span style="color:#202020;">nVis</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:NVis|<span style="font-size:smaller;color:#40beef;">(talk)</span>]] 00:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
+::A demonstration would have to show each individual one being dragged in. However, if you can smoothly transition the clips in a way that makes it seem like all were filled in on the same one and there's no difference, then that would be fine too, as long as the illusion of it being one chemistry set is there.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
-:Not bad for a first attempt~ But some things should be improved.
-* Always reload at the end of a clip (before taunting, and after jumping on 2fort)
-* The main purpose of the scottish resistance is the ability to detonate stickies in an arbitrary manner, and I think this video fails to demonstrate this properly. For instance, show how the outlines become blue depending on cursor position, make a sticky carpet and explode it progressively, etc; this would show it better than by making clusters.
-* Faster firing speed should be demonstrated by split-screen: have two demoman firing 8 stickybombs as fast as possible (don't forget to reload)
-* You should also show arming time with a split-screen, by having them fire a sticky and exploding as soon as possible
-* This clip shows what happens when you drop more than 14 stickybombs at 0:51. This is a good thing to show, keep it in (just saying this in case it was unintended)
-— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 02:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-:Thanks for the feedback. <del>Here's</del> a version with a different bombing approach and split screen views to illustrate the differences (<del>download</del>). &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:NVis|<span style="color:#202020;">nVis</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:NVis|<span style="font-size:smaller;color:#40beef;">(talk)</span>]] 10:42, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
+:::Double click doesn't even work, don't know why I thought it did. Will probably get to this in 2 weeks after my finals. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 11:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
-::I noticed that my last video had a slight problem with one of the fadeouts, and was missing ammo counts during the firing speed comparison (a pretty significant flaw). I ended up using a panning motion to reveal the ammo counts in a hopefully non-distracting way. The arm time comparison doesn't display them, but only two bombs are fired, so it shouldn't be necessary. Uploaded on [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjnSf83p9a4 YouTube] and [http://www.mediafire.com/?iec90ehnj3rkn8n MediaFire]. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:NVis|<span style="color:#202020;">nVis</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:NVis|<span style="font-size:smaller;color:#40beef;">(talk)</span>]] 14:32, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
+::::Example of transition previously described https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ROeqQWSgU Would obviously craft in the real thing and hover over the item in my first page. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 05:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
-Good job with the Stickybomb-Scottish Resistance comparison, but...
+:::::Double click [https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5216 indeed does not work]. However, I think you should show every single one being filled in. I get you want to use your mostly-crafted one already, but I think the way to go here would be to try and transition mid-craft, rather than fading like that. This way, it requires a precise setup and some editing, but it can be done.
-* Premature loading at 0:50 before Taunt. Let your Clip empty before reloading.
+:::::For this reason, I think you should try and get the transition approved first. The way I would do this is film the backpack + dragging in, then at a certain page (preferably one where you need to click on the next page of Handshakes as you're filling it out) you stop. Then you take your partially-filled one, record yourself with the exact same mouse position (you can do this using autoclicker, for example, which has a built-in "click at location" button) clicking to the next page of Handshakes, then once you've finished putting them all in drag your mouse off-screen and wait ~0.5 seconds. This way, you can simply do the actual crafting part afterwards, once we approve this transition.
-** Considering you fully loaded before taunting, it may have been recommended to use editing Software to plant that part at the end.
+:::::If done right, this should look like one seamless take, but not use your other clean chemistry sets.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 00:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
-* Bots not killed in order. Not a big problem that needs a re-take though.
-* Might be a good idea to put a SR Bomb behind an obstacle on purpose to show you can still see its Aura. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 16:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-:0:50 is not a premature reload; always reload before taunting/when clip is over. Bot order is a worthy sacrifice to make because that way it makes it easier to show how stickies can be exploded selectively. Agree about the aura thing though. On to my analysis~
-* Reshoot the clip at 0:41: We should be able to see the Demoman firing his stickies, otherwise they're not obviously visible. Since the stickies shouldn't be all clustered in one single place, you should have a friend drop them, or using bot_mimic with some clever bot_mimic_yaw_offset value. Also, we don't properly see the Demoman's behind when taunting; move a bit toward the fence before taunting.
-* The panning to show the ammo count isn't necessary. It looks kind of disturbing (non-natural camera movement) and doesn't bring much value (they know that both weapons have 8 stickies already)
-— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:55, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-:Alright, I've uploaded [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-8aSDmQ6Ag version 4] ([http://www.mediafire.com/?dc2xzl8vsm9a950 download]). I added a scene that demonstrates detonating stickies through a wall, reshot the sticky destroying part, and removed the admittedly disorienting panning effect. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:NVis|<span style="color:#202020;">nVis</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:NVis|<span style="font-size:smaller;color:#40beef;">(talk)</span>]] 15:59, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
+:::::: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlDW77LISq0 Transition is between 39s and 42s [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 09:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
-::Thank you~ Will be uploaded 22:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-== As promised ==
+:::::::Looks good, though the video lags a bit around that time as well, so it would have to be re-recorded.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
-*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHCdHfFs-UA '''Backburner''']
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh8zqVpcNQY '''Minigun''']
-*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSUq5qNxrXo '''Iron Curtain''']
-*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N98hitCTviY '''Gunslinger''']
-Any thoughts about showing the crit-negating effects of the battalion's backup? The current video doesn't show it, but it ought to be shown. Having a friend kritz a bot could certainly work, but if anyone can think of a simply solution that would be nice.
+== {{anchor|Ring}}{{Demo Header|Something Special For Someone Special}} (Tool) ==
-[[User:Armisael|Armisael]] 01:16, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry
-:Have a splitscreen with a sniper trying to headshot you, maybe? - [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 20:53, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
+ | begin
-::No, it is not obvious to see that he was aiming for the head. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 02:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
+ | status = nodemo
-:Both Minigun and Iron Curtain continue playing for some time after the video has ended, but that can be fixed easily. Aside that, I couldn't find anything else wrong with them. Well done. [[User:20xx0|20xx0]] 10:28, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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-That has been fixed. [[User:Armisael|Armisael]] 13:30, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
+<div class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:100%">
-:You are quite right about the battalion's backup. Kritz medic seems to be the best solution, and the most obvious one when demonstrating things with critical hits involved (like the heavy set bonus effect).
+Old discussion (2019)
-:As for the videos, I only got a problem with the Backburner one, when demonstrating damage on the Soldier: Are you sure the minimum amount of damage possible when puffing is 5? Try going backward just a little bit and see. Also, when demonstrating the closest-possible damage, we can't see the damage number. All other videos are good, thanks a lot :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 02:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
+<div class="mw-collapsible-content" style="width:100%; text-align:left">
-::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdMSUlRSEqs '''Backburner'''] redone. I'm at the maximum range, as demonstrated in the video. I suspect that 4s are possible, becuase I think I saw some, but I couldn't reliable produce them. [[User:Armisael|Armisael]] 03:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
+Hi. I know this item is quite expensive for someone to make a demonstration, but I was thinking, a video showcasing how the item works (which the purchaser's choose they person), and then, on the same video, showing the chosen player's screen perspective, showing the option to accept the proposal, and after that, showing the notification on the Main Menu for the accepted proposal.
+<br>Considering the high cost that would be making this demonstration, I wonder if Valve could gives us a hand and supply one for our demonstrations purposes, as long we delete both rings after doing the full video.
+<br>It seems that the process is mostly the same as the [[Gift Wrap]], but I have no idea how are the things when someone receives that Gift. We also lack a proper Gift Wrap video, apparently. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 19:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
+: Keep dreaming, valve won't even fix server issues much less give us free items. If you are planning to make a demonstration though, better ask windpower for some super detailed instructions to make sure it's right the first time. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 21:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
+::Well, they have the ability to both give and delete items, it could work? Yes. Will it happen? We don't know. If there's anything we can do, is ask for someone who plans on buying one legitimately and asking them for help. Last time that the item got in 50% off, a lot of people bought one, so. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 20:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
+:::If you give it some time, I could save up to get it and try to make it. <br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 20:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
+:I offer to give a 50 USD Steam gift card to anyone who has already gotten an item demonstration video approved and uploaded in order to make this demonstration, and then another 50 USD Steam gift card upon video approval. I'm not sure what the price of the item is in other currencies but I'll also match that if possible as long as it's not too much more expensive. Please make sure to record both sides (sender account and receiver account). — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:00, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
+::Well, I guess we should start discussing how should it be done. Firstly, I think the Gifter should be named "Scout" and the Recipient be "Miss Pauling". Scout has the [https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/c7/c718b0c234a3f5ff5fc8f0b99c3f64f0de4ccefe_full.jpg Scout avatar] (184x184 version from Steam), while Miss Pauling can use [https://i.imgur.com/bBLbzuP.png this]. I think the name could be something along what Scout would say, my suggestion, name it as "You are really frickin' sweet". That'd go nice, eh?
+::Secondly, I don't know who's going to be the Recipient. Should we create a Steam account just for that, or should we rely with another Video Demonstration Creator to do a collab? [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 23:55, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
+::<br> well how about we can hit two birds with one store and do the ring and the Upgrade to Premium Gift from the same two account?, First the two account would demostrate the Upgrade to Premium Gift which the sender should buy it from the store and send to the receiver who don't have premium. them Recycle the same account to do the ring. We could make a story out of it as well from friendship when a user gifted the premium to the other use then after few days they both got engaged via the sender would give the ring. It won't end up a awkward situation. but for this situation we need 4 people to do the ring tho 2 sender reciever, 2 regular tf2 player to recieved the message one in the tf2 main menu and the other while in-game[[User:Jomarcenter|Jomarcenter]] ([[User talk:Jomarcenter|talk]]) 14:27, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
+::::That's a cute story, but let's keep the demonstration to just one item (the ring), not the Upgrade to Premium Gift on top of it. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:17, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
+:::: I don't know what you're talking about, wind. Story time is clearly more important than the actual video. (but in all seriousness the two '''accounts''' would be okay to reuse right?) [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 04:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
+:::::Yeah, sure, it would just be two separate videos — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:39, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
+:::<br> I kind of thought the role playing names were unnnecessary to begin with, and could also cause confusion as to whether or not those texts always appear in game. But if WP or thed feels that's the best way to do it without commercializing it then oh well for me.
+::: The two steam accounts would be kinda hard to sync up (and would also be a waste of $100), i'm willing to be proposed to if no one else will :) [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
+::::No need for roleplaying. It's cool if you want to do it but totally optional. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 06:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
+</div></div>
-== Build/Destroy PDAs ==
+I guess I should give an update on this. I'm still up for doing this one. The plan was to do it with Cheddar but currently a lot of the community wanted to boycott spending money on the game because of the bot situation so Cheddar wanted to delay this until....idk when. Valve just banned the majority of the bots and new bot hosting accounts are getting banned as they're being created so I think now is as good as time as any to do this demo. But I can't do it by myself so I need to talk with Cheddar_ and see if he's still available for it or I need an assistant who's willing to help with it. [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 11:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
+:I get that you don't agree with the decision but the sassy "delayed until Idk I guess" comments are pretty annoying. No one can see in the future as to when stuff like this will cool down. If I say something like "do it in a week" and it's still an issue in a week, you would've been upset too.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
+:: I'm not trying to be sassy. I'm not complaining. Sorry if it comes off that way. That's not my intention. It's just been nearly two full months with zero communication about the status of the demonstration. Reservations are technically only valid for two weeks so I simply wanted to make sure that everyone knew that I was still planning to do it. [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 12:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
+:::I could be of assistance.  It seems that all of the bots are gone, so might as well do it now before anything else happens again.
+:::[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 03:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-Seemed simple enough. I could shave five seconds off the video by not killing the Spy and I was wondering, should hauling buildings be demonstrated with this? It's not specific to the PDA but the PDA allows for building construction, and those buildings can be hauled, so...
+== [[File:Mannpower Powerup King.png|16px|link=Mannpower]] [[Mannpower]] powerups ==
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-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7IqeHmjlyE [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 11:16, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
+Hello, I had a question about preforming/recording this demonstration. Mannpower has a domination mechanic (Not to be confused with [[Domination|dominations]]), this mechanic works by when a player has many more kills than other players on the enemy team, and so that player gets nerfs on their power ups. I'm guessing I would have to demonstrate this in the video, however I do not know how to activate it. I have not been able to activate this on myself in tr_karma, however even if I did, the player who is dominating does not get the message on their screen showing that they are dominating. The only effects the player who is dominating sees is they are marked for death if they have a power up, and a nerf on that power up for that player. I don't know how I would go about demonstrating the effects of domination mechanic, considering the viewer wouldn't know that being marked for death with a power up means you are dominating. If I were to get the domination mechanic to work, should I just show the class as marked for death, or something else? [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 01:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
-:Don't kill the Spy indeed. It's interesting to show that you can't destroy a building though. But are you using the pldx particles again? The buildings explosion seem to use custom particles.
-:: Oops, pldx particles on by accident from recording non-wiki footage, my bad. What about hauling buildings though? Should I demonstrate that? [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 13:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC) (forgot to sign, sorry)
-:::I don't think so. I think there'll be Buildings Demonstrations later so they should be shown there. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-New version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay8jQFfUePE [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 17:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-:It's good, save one annoying thing: The demolition PDA's animation doesn't show. I believe it always shows if you go from shotgun to demolition PDA or if you press 5. Could you fix that? It's a bit awkward when it just flashes on screen right away — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-::I've been conducting some testing and it doesn't appear to play the animation regardless of which weapon you switched from. I'll just keep re-recording the demos and see, via trial and error, if I get a clean, fully animated run. This will take time, unless somebody can fix the model/animation for me. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 13:14, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::If it takes too long, keep the version where it works most of the time — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:00, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-Sorry for the delay. Here's the best version I could muster, only two faulty pda switchings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSoFea5xg2U [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 16:53, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
-::::Alright, just needs a smoother sound cut at the end (or a fade, that's fine too) and it'll be perfect~ Then upload the original. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:10, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
-Aaand... done. Youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PQCJHZv7yI Mediafire upload: http://www.mediafire.com/?5lxd3d8ofzvdbon
-:Thanks :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:02, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
-== Equalizer  ==
+:This does sound hard to demonstrate. If you enable third-person mode, do you see the skull icon above the player's head in the 3D world (not on the HUD)? If so, here's a structure that might work:
-[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcnHBPdX1hA Equalizer on YouTube]
+* Spawn enough enemies on the map such that you can reach domination status, and still have enough enemies left over to show that the effect isn't about killing *all* other enemies.
-Backburner will be later.
+* Start the demonstration in first-person mode.
-:Wrong aspect ratio, Equalizer not equipped in loadout screen.[[User:20xx0|20xx0]] 22:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
+* Switch to third-person mode.
-::What 20xx0 said, plus:
+* Kill enough enemies such that domination status appears.
-* Is in Russian D: (You probably already knew that one)
+* Highlight the correlation between the third-person skull icon and the HUD one, for example by zooming in on both at once, or drawing a red box around both or something.
-* Should show when you have about ~150 HP if possible
-* Try taking damage from the enemies (press F to make them fire) instead of self-damage
-— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 02:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-::Tell me, please, how to start game in English. I tried to set language in Steam, but changes only voice commands. [[File:User-Gringo_Perm.jpg|40px|link=User:Gringo_perm]] [[User:Gringo perm|<span style="text-shadow:black 1px 2px 2px;"><font color="#F00000">Gringo perm</font></span>]] 05:10, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::Well that's... weird... Maybe change the language and then reinstall TF2? (But you probably don't feel like doing that, I'm guessing). Otherwise, try overwriting tf_russian.txt with the contents of tf_english.txt. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 06:57, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::F@$# yeah! I've set English language of Steam, and game was translated automaticly! [[File:User-Gringo_Perm.jpg|40px|link=User:Gringo_perm]] [[User:Gringo perm|<span style="font-size:13px; line-height:16px;<!--
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-:::::I've redone video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX3t_0pfgW0 - here it is! [[File:User-Gringo_Perm.jpg|40px|link=User:Gringo_perm]] [[User:Gringo perm|<span style="text-shadow:black 1px 2px 2px;"><span style="font-size:13px; line-height:16px;<!--
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-::::::Still the aspect ratio is wrong, and don't rotate the model in loadout screen while already recording. [[User:20xx0|20xx0]] 11:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::I have small monitor (15') with maximum resolution 1024x768. [[File:User-Gringo_Perm.jpg|40px|link=User:Gringo_perm]] [[User:Gringo perm|<span style="text-shadow:black 1px 2px 2px;"><span style="font-size:13px; line-height:16px;<!--
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-::::::::Well, then I'm afraid you can't do weapon demonstrations :( The minimum is 720p, which at 16:9 means 1280x720. D: The video demonstration content is good though — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::: Hmm... FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!! Excuse me... I NEED AT LEAST 200$ TO MAKE VIDEO DEMONSTRATION!!! I HAVE NO MONEY AT ALL!!! Excuse me, again. THAT'S UNFAIR!!! I don't know WTF is happend with me... [[File:User-Gringo_Perm.jpg|40px|link=User:Gringo_perm]] [[User:Gringo perm|<span style="text-shadow:black 1px 2px 2px;"><span style="font-size:13px; line-height:16px;<!--
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-::::::::::Yes, I'm sorry, but this does discriminate people based on hardware. This is a necessary evil in order to maintain a consistent quality. :( — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:45, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::::::Well, I'll try to repair my old 32' TV on next weekend and, maybe, will make videos for another weapons. [[File:User-Gringo_Perm.jpg|40px|link=User:Gringo_perm]] [[User:Gringo perm|<span style="text-shadow:black 1px 2px 2px;"><span style="font-size:13px; line-height:16px;<!--
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-This Vid should show the Kamikaze Taunt both with and without the Lumbricus Lid to show how it affects both the Taunt's Volume, and the kill icon in the kill feed. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 22:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
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-:::I haven't got this one! <br/> Video is redone! Now it's in 720p! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgW9NKslK24 [[File:User-Gringo_Perm.jpg|40px|link=User:Gringo_perm]] [[User:Gringo perm|<span style="text-shadow:black 1px 2px 2px;"><span style="font-size:13px; line-height:16px;<!--
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-::::The Lumbricus Lid is a hat for the Soldier that changes the Equalizer taunt (adds a new sound and a different kill icon), so it has to be demonstrated as well. You can give yourself a Lumbricus Lid by editing items_game.txt; ask if you need help with that. On to the rest of the video:
-* The audio and video are glitched from 0:23 to 0:31. I think your computer slowed down or something while you were recording, because the audio sounds weird in that part and the video is not smooth. So you should probably re-record that part (make sure to close all other applications in the background).
-* Try to have the Rocket Launcher fully loaded before the demo (when you equip it at 1:04, it has only 1 rocket loaded for some reason)
-* Don't look at the Spy after killing the Medic at 0:46; only look at him when you are ready to tauntkill him
-* You should also demonstrate that you cannot get UberCharged when you have the equalizer equipped. To do that, charge the Medic to almost 100% before the demo. Wait for the overheal points to fade, then start recording. Once you get to the healing part, show first that you cannot get healed by the Medic, then make him fire his Uber (you can use <code>bot_forceattack2 1</code> to make him launch it, and <code>bot_forceattack2 0</code> to make it stop)
-Other than that, the video is looking pretty good :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:20, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
-::Thanks for the comment, I'll work on the video. And what about lags from 0:23 to 0:31 : I recorded this video on my notebook, that has not so powerfull hardware. I'll make graphics a bit lower. [[File:User-Gringo_Perm.jpg|40px|link=User:Gringo_perm]] [[User:Gringo perm|<span style="text-shadow:black 1px 2px 2px;"><span style="font-size:13px; line-height:16px;<!--
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-:::Make sure it doesn't look like crap either (No less than medium settings) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:48, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
-== Oh no, YOU I do not forget... ==
+Now you've established that "skull on HUD" = "having killed enough enemies".
-Hey Guys, I'm just about to have a go at The Sandvich Demonstration. Just warming up Fraps now so...yeah, I guess I'm reserving The Sandvich. I've read the plan so I know what to do (Assuming I can pull it off). [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 10:46, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
+Now, demonstrate each powerup one by one. For each powerup, do a split-screen, with the left being non-dominating, and the right being already-in-dominating status. Pick up the powerup on both clips and demonstrate the effect. The skull icon being visible on the clip on the right should be enough of a hint that this is the cause. If not obvious enough, you can draw attention to it at the beginning of the clip, such as by drawing a red box over it or something.
-:Aspect ratio is off, (black borders cutting off the video) Shock394 18:37, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-::Yeah I don't know why/how to resolve that. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 19:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-Sorted 'n' Uploaded. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saecu2ED58w Here you go]! [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 14:17, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
+Hope this helps. I suggest doing a test demo with just one or two powerups demonstrated and posting it here first before doing all the work it would take to get this all done for all powerups, as there are a lot. (Perhaps each powerup should have its own video? That's a separate question...)
-::Sorry but this is still not 16:9 D: (has black borders around it), the framerate is low, it's not HD, and it is not antialiased. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::How the hell do I fix said problems? I ain't done crap like this before... [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 20:42, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::Anti-aliasing and ratio are settings in options->video. Make sure that your ratio is at least 1280x720. The frame rate? Well...that's a matter of squeezing more power out of your computer. If push comes to shove, you can take a demo at really low settings, then use fraps on a playback of that (at high settings). [[User:Armisael|Armisael]] 20:46, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::Well I never knew what anti-aliasing did and I didn't spot Aspect Ratio. My Monitor Supports 1280X1024 (Native Resolution) so it should have no problem with that. Framerate I can't seem to boost, don't know about getting HD, but thanks for the Info. I'll see what I can do... [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 20:52, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::::Videos must be 16:9, so pick "16:9" under the "Aspect ratio" menu (in TF2's video options) and pick any resolution that is equal or larger than 1280x720. As for the framerate, type <code>cl_showfps 1</code> in console to have an idea of what framerate you're getting, then start the recording. Fraps will "take away" frames from you (so if your card gets 45 fps, and you set Fraps to record at 30 fps, you will only see 15 fps, and Fraps will record the 30 other ones). The objective is to have 30 frames recorded or more every second. If you can't seem to reach that, then you probably have to use the source recorder and merge videos to include the backpack view... Which is quite a bit harder. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:16, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::Actually, the source recorder does display the backpack view if you go into into it. I have no idea if this is new, and if it is, when it was implemented, but I did use it in my battalion's backup and backburner videos. [[User:Armisael|Armisael]] 03:17, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::::Hold on, what's the optimal anti-aliasing variable to use? [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 13:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::2x is the minimum required, higher is better — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:01, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::Alright, I've done a second take, but Youtube's saying it'll take roughly 1.5 - 2K Minutes to upload, lol. But unlike my other ones, this actually heeds the technical stuff such as aspect ratio, anti-aliasing (Since I was unsure what amount, I did 4x and now I can see that was a bit excessive) and I think I got it in HD, which may explain why it's taking so long. Frame Rates is something for you to look at when YT finishes, however. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 21:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::::Well, you can already get a rough idea of the framerate by simply playing the video on your computer and comparing its feeling of smoothness to one of the uplaoded video demonstrations (which, truth to be told, is actually how I measure framerate) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::::Can you post a link to that video? Just to see if it is good enough regarding technical requirements — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:00, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::::::Weird, it's saying I can't upload 0 Byte Files, but I checked it in my Explorer, and it reports a 5 GB File. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 22:12, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::::::The uploader might consider it too big; compress it with a decent video codec. :3 --[[File:User spyonce hearts.png]][[User:Spyonce|Spyoncé]] 22:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::::::::What Compressor would you suggest? [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 22:19, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::::::YouTube caps uploads at 2 GB, even using their "advanced uploader" which claims to go unlimited but it does cut yoru upload at 2 GB anyway (learned that the hard way). Anyway, there's no way your video is 5 GB if you encoded it using x264vfw — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::::::::I don't think I found the option to compress at x264 then, or at least the right option...Doggone it! Fraps, Sony Vegas, and I can't pull off something like this? This is gettin' embarrassing... [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 22:19, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::::::::It's in in Template -> Custom -> Video -> Configure in Vegas — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::::::::::Got it! Thanks for the Patience. Re-rendering with this Codec, then I'll have a go at re-uploading or finding some way to show you. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 23:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::::::::::Yeah, it Uploaded the Video in like 10 Minutes (Shock 'n' Horror, YT has never done dat for me! Remind me to use that Codec more often). However, it then said they are now processing the Video...2 Hours later, it still is. And you can't view the Vid 'til it's done Processing. Am I cursed? [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 00:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::::::::::It finally finished Processing. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it2aEtFkpmM Take 2]! [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 01:07, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::::::::::Well, it is still not 16:9 (has black bars on top and bottom) and looks stretched (as if it were recorded at 16:9, shrinked to a shorter size, then scaled up again to 1080p, then slapped black bars on). Framerate is also not as smooth as it should be (except from 0:36 to 0:39 for some reason) D: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 03:23, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::::::::::::Well I did set the Aspect Ratio to 16:9 in-game as suggested, and the Resolution was 1280X720 as well. I don't understand how I can select the settings as requested and it still doesn't meet the standards. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 11:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::::::::::::The problem is probably in Vegas's settings, not in the recording. Look at the project property or in the custom profile for the video size setting, and adjust it to the same size as the recording (1280x720) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 13:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::::::::::::Well I hope this solves the problem now, we're running out of spaces with these Colons. I might do a take on something else or whatever. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 15:39, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
-[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHg_inr-at8 Take 3]! [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 21:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
+— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
-Question: If this Vid does get accepted, where else do I upload it to? [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 18:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
+:I might try my hand at this, but only after I finish my other demonstrations and receive feedback and corrections for them. [[User:Po1yb1ank|Po1yb1ank]] ([[User talk:Po1yb1ank|talk]]) 23:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
-:Nope, still has problems :( This time I'll also go into the content problems:
-* Biggest problem is low framerate; it seems to get better as the video progresses, but the first 30 seconds are quite hard to watch. I again encourage you to compare the smoothness of the video against one of the uploaded demos to see the difference
-* Video seems upscaled to 1080p. No need to do this, it increases filesize without increasing the quality
-* No antialiasing (or perhaps this is an artifact resulting from upscaling the video)
-* Hovered "Sandvich" twice in backpack view
-* Can't really see what is happening from 0:25 to 0:31 due to all the props being in the way blocking the view
-* 0:35: Where does that sandvich come from? Should show the heavy being killed
-* Should show Scout getting more health from it
-* Should show that you can pick up your own sandvich for a quick 150 HP
-* Show that medkits give back Sandvich; maybe this will need to be shown on another map if medkits spawned by <code>ent_create</code> don't do this
-I'd work on fixing the first 3 problems first before doing a whole other take with all the other problems fixed. Just make a small video where those 3 are fixed~ If using Fraps, stop all other applications, save your demos on a fast (non-busy) partition, record at 30 fps, run the game in non-windowed 1280x720 (even if it looks ugly on your screen). If that doesn't fix it, you'll probably have to resort to using Source Recorder and merging with the backpack view — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:53, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
-::I don't understand framerates. it seems the higher I set it on Fraps, the better the framerates, but you make it sound like it should be the opposite. Upscale I don't remember doing. Maybe it was sub-conciously done. As for the double hover, that was where my Mouse Spasmed. *Perfect* time to do that. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 21:06, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::Well, if you recorded at 1280x720, and YouTube shows a 1080p video (1920x1080), then the video has been scaled up at some point... As for Fraps, Fraps's framerate settings is the number it takes away from your game. If your game can render 45 frames per second and you set Fraps to 30 fps, the recording will be 30 frames per second and you will only see (on your screen) 45-30 = 15 frames per second. So higher Fraps framerate means smoother recording but harder-to-perform because your visible framerate is lowered. The issue isn't there though, it's simply that this video doesn't have 30 frames per second. This is either due to your game not being able to render enough frames in the first place (in which case using Fraps is pretty hopeless), or if Fraps cannot write the video file to disk quickly enough. Disks are the slowest piece of hardware in a computer, and more frames per second for Fraps means more data to write to disk per second, which, if your disk is too slow, means too many lost frames because they can't be written on the disk in time. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:24, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::Major protip that I picked up about game recording: If you have two or more physical hard drives (not one drive partitioned into two logical ones, actual physical disks), set Fraps/CamStudio/whatever to output to the drive that the game files are ''not'' on. So if Steam is installed on C:, you record to E: or whatever. The reason is that the drive with the game files is using all its capability and data transmission rate to send the level and other data to the rest of the system. If you're also trying to put video data onto that same drive, the upstream and downstream transfer rates are cut in half or worse. Result: horrible lag in both the game and the resulting video. Recording to a second drive means that one of them can focus on the game data, and the other can focus on the video data. And as far as I know, it applies regardless of drive type (mechanical, USB, SSD...) This is irrelevant, however, if you use the can't-buy-recording-software method of Demo-to-AVI, as the game won't let you specify an output directory, and it's already focusing on converting demo data into AVI frames, so it doesn't matter how slow it processes, the resulting video will still be smooth.
-::::By the way, does it really have to be non-windowed for recording? My 4:3 monitor will only allow 16:9 in windowed mode. It also seems to lag less in a window. [[User:WackoMcGoose|WackoMcGoose]] 19:29, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::Nope, you can record in windowed mode just fine. Even better with the ''-noborder'' launch option. :3 - [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 23:46, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::::Doesn't have to, no, but fullscreen mode should be faster and smoother because in real fullscreen (not -noborder'd fullscreen), the graphics card has access to the whole screen without going through the window manager. When ran in windowed mode, the window manager needs to apply compositing effects, etc. which can only make the program slower — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 03:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::Huh. I guess I got used to windowed because in fullscreen, Alt-Tab creates horrifying lag, especially during map transitions when I like to lurk on SPUF. [[User:WackoMcGoose|WackoMcGoose]] 21:16, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf4791sD9aM Take 4 (+ 9000)]! [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 14:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-:Sorry, but this isn't better :(
-* Wrong ratio, black bars on top and bottom
-* Low framerate, especially from 0:07 to 0:10 (or whenever there is projectiles on the screen). It's an improvement but it's not enough yet. If you can't make it any higher, use the Source Recorder (that way, you also won't have to re-record everything)
-* The whole demonstration is very chaotic: bots firing everywhere (see <code>bot_forcefireweapon</code>), things happening right when the transition occurs (wait a few seconds)
-* When I said to show the Heavy, I mean have a Heavy standing there and kill it, not be the Heavy and get killed. Transitions usually mean "everything has changed" for the viewer, so what happens in one clip should not be related to what happened in another one
-* Needs to show that the Sandvich can be thrown on the ground for a bit longer than that
-* Chat text visible at 0:43
-As I said before, do ''not'' fix the "content" problems before the technical ones are worked out. That way footage doesn't go to waste, and you don't have to re-record everything again :( I am only listing the content ones so that you know what to fix once the technical problems have been solved. Record only a few seconds of footage (like the first ten seconds), render that, and upload it — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-::I don't believe the "Wrong Ratio" thing again. I set it to the recommended "1280X720" Resolution in SV for render output and it's just gone and letterboxed it unlike the "1080" version.
-:::Well, I'm sorry, but it does have black bars around it on YouTube :( — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:52, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
-::Framerates are only an issue while up close with prjectiles. The Rocket for example, leave a trail, which generates heaps of tiny entites and slows down the Computer, on the whole which is irritating.
-:::Well, this has to be fixed anyway. Try rendering using Source Recorder, that'll be smooth. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:52, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
-::I tried that "bot_forcefireweapon" thing and nothing happened. I'll try it again!
-:::You need to figure out the exact weapon name, which can be tricky — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:52, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
-::I don't have a Sandvich-wielding Heavy I can show being killed, only myself.
-:::I guess you'll need to ask a friend. But, as I said before, do not worry about that for now. Worry more about getting the technical details fixed first — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:52, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
-::Not technically Chat Text, but still annoying, much like the kill notice was as well.
-::I swear to the 4 Corners of Holy *Hell* that I'll get this demonstration right, even if another one gets accepted before I'm done! [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 21:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::Well, I sure like to see such enthusiasm :) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:52, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
-This is not the Demonstration. This is a 15-Second Test to see if the problems have been properly solved. I recorded the same Vid twice - Once with 60 FPS, and once with 30 FPS for comparison reasons. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d83ChLSnpI 60 FPS] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9xzFbOJ-xM 30 FPS]. Which should be preferred for use (If either)? [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 18:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
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-:Neither of these is satisfactory, as both have the same effectively recorded framerate. You'll have to use Source Recorder :( — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:48, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
-::How 'bout [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r-_gtHJHSw now]?
-:::I slowed down your video 4 times and did a frame-by-frame count to show why it (and all the others before) are not satisfactory: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_H83fDfjsk Link]. It doesn't matter what settings you use to record, what matters is the resulting frames per second D: (Note: I did not count certain frames in the video above, because they were basically a combined versions of the frame before and the frame after them, rather than real frames. Even if they were counted, though, the FPS is still low) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
-::::<Light Growl> Framerates screw me over every single time. I just don't know anything more to do to fix it. I record at 30 FPS it sucks. Same with 60 FPS, and even when rendering with those settings. Worst of all, I used Source Recorder and went over it with Fraps. I just don't know why or how it's going wrong anymore, but something isn't working right in this thing. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 00:58, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
-:::::I don't either :( Did you set host_framerate when recording with Source Recorder? Does Vegas limit the output to 15 FPS or something? — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:08, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
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-:Very nice! Nice work showing the Backburner critting from behind. Just a couple petty things I would've added: The Backburner having no Compression Blast (Soldier's Rockets will work) and said Backburner shown doing slightly more damage than the Flamethrower. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 11:09, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
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-:::It is a good weapon demonstration but has the wrong aspect ratio :( In the meantime, Armisael has done his own Backburner video, so I think it'll be used. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::: *WALL*. I think, when I'll buy new monitor, all demonstration videos will be allready created =((( Hmm... Wait a sec, I have an old 32' TV with DVI cable jack. It have a resolution 1280*720... I'll try to switch on and connect it to my computer, when I'll have free time. [[File:User-Gringo_Perm.jpg|40px|link=User:Gringo_perm]] [[User:Gringo perm|<span style="text-shadow:black 1px 2px 2px;"><span style="font-size:13px; line-height:16px;<!--
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-:::::Don't be silly, at the rate VALVe is going, there may be more stuff to demonstrate than what's on the list right now. I'm sure you'll find something. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 14:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-== Not so smart with your Brains OUTSIDE your head are ya? ==
+= Action =
+== {{Demo Header|Fancy Spellbook}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
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+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Same as above, with the exception that the particle effects that emit on the hand are different.}}
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-I just came up with a suggestion for the Razorback Video. What you could do is hide RED Spy behind the Player and empty his Revolver Ammo so he's using his Knife. Then have BLU Sniper pick off RED Pyro and RED Soldier, then RED Spy breaks his Razorback (via Bot Commands). BLU Sniper spins round and dispatches RED Spy before finishing with RED Medic. It might also be a good idea to have a shot from RED Spy's Point of View as to show the Knife being disabled and RED Spy being unable to do anything until his Knife cools down. It's a random plan I just thought of for the Vid. Whaddya say? [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 16:45, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-:Well, there already is a [[Razorback]] demonstration (the only problem with it is the aspect ratio). It uses a third-person view to show the sniper, and a picture-in-picture thing to show the spy's first-person perspective. I don't think the Sniper should be "busy" with other targets, as it distracts attention from the main purpose of the demonstration: the Razorback. However, I agree that it should contain the sniper's first-person perspective while scoped in, to show that it makes the Sniper unscope. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
+== {{Demo Header|Fireproof Secret Diary}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Same as above, with the exception that the particle effects that emit on the hand are different.}}
+ | video =
+}}
-==Crit-a-cola==
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijmdr7jFSLw <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:Innolarp|Innolarp]] ([[User talk:Innolarp|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Innolarp|contribs]]) </small>
-:Not bad, but there are things to modify.
-* Technical prolems: It is letterboxed (has black bars on all sides), and the in-game audio is low compared to the music
-* Music isn't long enough; pick a longer song. It's okay if it's longer than the video, as long as you add a fadeout at the end
-* Since damage is based on distance, you're actually doing less damage to the Soldier with the Crit-a-Cola than to the Pyro without the Crit-a-Cola. To fix this, shoot both once, drink, then shoot both again.
-* The Crit-a-Cola also makes the wearer take mini-crit instead of regular shots. The video needs to show this, preferably using a split-screen of showing the damage you get from a rocket while under the effect and while not under the effect
-— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 02:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-:{{c|Agree}} - about music: use cp_steel music, becasue it's the longeas training_*.mp3, and it's easy to cut it in audio redactor.[[File:User-Gringo_Perm.jpg|40px|link=User:Gringo_perm]] [[User:Gringo perm|<span style="text-shadow:black 1px 2px 2px;"><span style="font-size:13px; line-height:16px;<!--
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-thanks i'll do that [[File:Information.png|25px]] <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:Innolarp|Innolarp]] ([[User talk:Innolarp|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Innolarp|contribs]]) </small>
-== Buildings ==
+== {{Demo Header|Kritz or Treat Canteen}} ==
-So, what's the plan with these? How are we going to show their backpack pages (are we at all)?
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | video =
+}}
-The way I see it, the videos should show the following:
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-*Build time (unwrenched)
+== [[File:Heavyhumiliation.png|16px|link=Match outcomes]] [[Match outcomes]] ==
-*Health at each level
+{{DemoEntry
-*Upgrading
+ | begin
-*Hauling buildings/move speed
+ | status = nodemo
-*Damage at each level (sentries; perhaps just put it in the player box and let it kill everything? Is the mini tall enough for that?)
+ | reservation =
-*Heal rate/metal recharge rate at each level (dispenser only)
+ | video =
-*Recharge rate at each level (teleport)
+}}
-*Telefragging, in all it's glory (teleport, obv.)
-Any others?
+So there's a bit of a problem with showing the other angles with this demonstration, as you can't actually rotate the camera. Despite it being in third person, you cannot change the angle of the camera nor use +left or +right to make only the camera move. Any attempt to move the camera either doesn't work or makes the character move along with the camera. My original plan for this demonstration was the following:
-- [[User:Armisael|Armisael]] 19:02, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
+* Show a split screen with a player on RED team on one screen and player on BLU team on the other screen
+** The RED player would capture the intelligence on 2Fort, and the other screen would show the BLU player in humiliation after they lose
+*** This part would repeat for each class
+* It would then cut to tr_karma where I would rotate the camera around the class when they're standing, crouching, running, etc
+* After this I would move on to the next class until all of them are done<br>
+However I can't do this because I can't rotate the camera, does anyone have any ideas on how to rotate or have other ideas of how to demonstration and show the different angles? <br>[[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 22:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
-I'm not sure the Combat Mini-Sentry Gun is big enough for that. You may hafta Mount it on the Desk/Boxes for it to kill something. It should be small enough to fit on there. Though maybe the Mini-Sentry should fall into the Gunslinger Demonstration seeing as they cannot be used without it. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 21:34, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
+::How about just use the RED player to see the BLU humiliation animation. Like:
-:I think putting it in the player box is a bad idea, as it prevents showing sentry rotation speed properly. The Gunslinger demonstration already contains the Mini-Sentry stuff (can't be upgraded etc), but it still deserves a place in a demonstration video (perhaps merged with the Sentry Gun one, unless it gets too long). Should also show the Wrangler too, cause that's part of Sentry functionality. Should show Sentry jumping perhaps... Some people have been asking for that one on the youtube comments.
+::''RED player is the main camera, BLU player is a bot/a smaller pip/split screen in the video''
-:I'm not sure how to demonstrate building health without doing silly comparison (like killing a Soldier and a sentry gun side by side wit the same weaponry) or using a custom HUD that shows them. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
+::#BLU player stands beside the intel point
-::Considering ''how'' buildings are usually destroyed in normal gameplay, maybe the obvious thing to show would be how many rockets or stickies are enough to destroy them on every upgrade level and how much time it takes for a sapper to drain their health completely? Also it seems logical to make three videos (sentry, dispenser, teleporters) instead of one, or else it will be too long. :3 Maybe you can use this time to more thoroughly demonstrate some non-obvious features, such as:
+::#RED player captures the intel and win the game
-*Critical hits being ineffective on buildings.
+::#BLU player enters humiliation
-*Your teammates being able to pass through sentries and dispensers while yourself and the enemies (spies in particular) can't, this makes you able to jump onto them and\or use them as stepping stones.
+::#RED player look at the BLU player
-*Sentry rotation speed being slow enough so that most classes can outrun it at point blank.
+::#BLU player moves around to show off the humiliation animation.
-*Level 3 dispensers (not sure about the earier levels) providing enough health to stay underwater withtout drowning and enough metal for heavies and pyros to fire continuosly without running out of ammo.
+::I feel like this also shows off the concept of "match outcomes", make the whole story connected via one team wins and see another team loses with humiliation animations. Do we have to use tr_karma map for demonstration? Is this demonstration video about "match outcomes" or "humiliation animations"?--[[User:AlexT|<span style="background:linear-gradient(#D1EEFC, #81F3FD);border:1px #99F3FD solid;color:#007FFF;border-radius:8px">'''Alex'''</span>]]┋[[User talk:AlexT|<span style="color: #FF6600;">'''T'''</span>]] 03:19, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-Not sure if those are really worth demonstrating, just some suggestions. :3 - [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 22:58, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
-== Sandvich ==
+:Simply using {{code|thirdperson_mayamode}} it would be possible to show off these animations from a stationary angle (turning your character rather than camera, although tr_karma/tr_target have no winning objective, so you'd need a different map for it (I suggest [[Thunder Mountain]] and standing in first BLU's spawn so it's still somewhat related to the tr_target map, using {{code|mp_bonusroundtime}} to extend the time at the end and just capping the first point).<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 11:01, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-About that sandvich demo I reserved earlier. Originally I planned it like this:
-*A heavy gets damaged by a soldier from full health to ~4 hp, eats his sadvich, and picks up a medkit to show that the sandvich recharges
-*A heavy drops his sandvich for a damaged friendly heavy
-*A damaged heavy kills an enemy sandvich-wielding heavy and picks up his sandvich for 50 hp (who said 150? dropped enemy sandviches heal 50 hp)
-*A damaged scout does the same for 75 hp
-But then I ran into some problems. Long story short, it turns out I can't both spawn medkits and control bots at the same time (has to do with dedicated servers and plugins), so in part 1 I can't be shot at by the bot and pick up the medkit simultaneously. The solution would be either to start part 1 at 1 hp without the enemy soldier, or to spawn the medkit in part 2 and pick it up after tossing a sandvich to a teammate. Which one is more preferrable? Also, should I show the sandvich taunt, and if so, when? - [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 23:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
-:Do you have a [[Candy Cane]]? Killing a bot with it in a suitable location before starting the recording should do the trick. I'm wondering about the taunt, though - as it's identical to eating the Sandvich, how would you make it obvious? By the way, dropping the Sandvich for a friendly Medic instead of a Heavy would set a nice example for new players (''Zank you!''). &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:NVis|<span style="color:#202020;">nVis</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:NVis|<span style="font-size:smaller;color:#40beef;">(talk)</span>]] 23:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
+::I'm a bit confused on what you mean on the capping part, as you say to stay in BLU spawn, but also cap the point to win which would make BLU would win and RED would be in humiliation. Do you mean to make the time run out so RED wins instead? <br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 23:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-:Stuff~
-* It really needs to show that you can eat your own dropped sandvich, because it is a viable tactic and is often way more practical than full nomming
-* Show that you don't lose your sandvich if you're already at full health
-* Taunt at the end, which will nom the sandvich regularly, yes, but Valve is lazy like that. It can also be merged with the above: taunting at full health won't lose the sandvich
-* Don't drop a sandvich for a friendly heavy, it makes it look like only heavies can use it. Drop it to some other class, preferably a Medic because that's the most common choice. Might also wanna set that Medic on fire to show that it acts like a healthpack and extinguishes the fire
-* Previous attempts at the demo showed the sandvich being thrown directly at the other person, without touching the ground. The demo needs to show that the sandvich can stay on the ground for a while (3 seconds is enough)
-That's all I can think of right now — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:28, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-:Even if you do find a suitable spot to kill a Bot, the body tends to stay until either the ragdoll limit is reached or that Bot dies again. Even then, you may have taken so long the bonus disappears. I learnt that when shooting Take 2 just after giving a BLU Sniper a Sandvich (Wasn't on Fire though, might need a re-take if it's that big a problem) that had been lying around for a bit. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 09:07, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
+:::Either works. Just any way to make the classes go into the humiliation pose. I personally wouldn't mind it that much if RED was in BLU spawn, but it's up to you.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 12:33, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
-:P.S., If it turns out to be THAT big a problem, we could do a colab with me working Incognito (Backstage stuff an' crap), seeing as I'm working on this one too, and have not 1, but 2 Candy Canes. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 09:12, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-::Oh, I forgot to tell you - I already tried the candy cane, and the medkits spawned by it do not refill the sandvich gauge. Look's like it's the same bug as with the medkits droppes in medieval mode. Thanks for the aforementioned advices, namely about igniting the medic on fire and picking up own dropped sandvich, I'll do that. - [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 15:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::If you need to spawn healthkits, I have a config that can do that for you. It's one that I scripted to help me in my videos, hope you find it useful. http://pastebin.com/f3JhawHY [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 11:18, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::Thanks, you're a lifesaver. :3 - [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 12:19, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
-[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdqjen0FkCg Here's the sandvich demo, first version.] A sincere thank you to [[User:I-ghost|I-ghost]] and an angry glance to those wiki editors who didn't fell it necessary for the ent_create command to be included into the wiki list of console commands. :3 - [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 13:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::Wow, I really don't know how I repeatedly missed that one, sorry.
-* Healthkit sound is very delayed at 0:39
-* Not sure you should be a Heavy when killing the other Heavy to show +50 HP. It's 50 HP for all classes except the Scout, right? It would probably be wasteful to demonstrate health gain for all classes, but at least pick a different class than Heavy to demonstrate the +50 HP part. Otherwise, it would look like the Heavy is the special case to someone who doesn't know
-* Reloading guidelines mean you should reload the Scattergun in the Scout clip (and reload whatever weapon you will use for the previous clip with the non-Heavy, non-Scout class)
-— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:19, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
-== Buffalos ==
+::::I went in game to test out thirdperson_mayamode, and it does not work, as for some reason the losing animation isn't considered as in "thirdperson" by the game I think. Does anyone else have any other ideas? Only other way I can think of is using SourceTV, however I don't know how to set that up. <br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 01:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-Shouldn't the [[Buffalo Steak Sandvich]]'s video be redone showing the new plate model? The old video doesn't even shows that you can throw it. -- [[User:OluapPlayer|<font color="red">'''OluapPlayer'''</font>]] <sub>([[User_talk:OluapPlayer|t]])</sub> {{adm}} [[File:User OluapPlayer Sig.png|Howdy, pardner!]] 13:19, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
+= Taunts =
-:Affimartive. It needs to especially show how the Steak has healing properties if "served" as opposed to the Mini-Crit, + Speed, etc. properties. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 13:27, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
+== {{Demo Header|Crushing Defeat}} ==
-:{{c|Support}} Heck yeah.avi — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:00, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry
-[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIiE7WY7_E Bufffalo steak demo, version 1.] :3 — [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 21:14, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
+ | begin
-:Pretty good, but you need to show that it doesn't heal when you nom it manually. A lot of people don't know that. All the rest is good~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:36, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
+ | status = review needed
-::Thanks! :3 So at the end of the first cut, instead of dropping the steak, I should eat it, right? Should I also include a different, new cut where I pick up my own steak? Or does the part where the medic picks it up suffice? And also, what about the sandvich vid? — [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 21:50, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
+ | reservation = [[User:Decimate|Decimate]] ([[User talk:Decimate|talk]]) 10:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
-:::It should include both, to highlight the inconsistency in that it heals you when you pick it up, but doesn't when you eat it. Preferably, those two things should be demonstrated close together (one right after the other) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 01:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lp002wgm5LqejROByLUDs8phSj7XLH7o/view?usp=sharing
-[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCRvzNlqH_Q Version 2.] :3 Again, what about the sandvich? — [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 22:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
+}}
-::::There is a transition glitch at 0:50 :( The 3 Soldier rockets part is also probably better demonstrated split-screen (synchronize the timing of the three rockets) Also (obvious one) it lacks music. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:52, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
+I would say it is a little bit too fast, but this is just my opinion, let the moderators decide.<br>[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 17:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
-[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWNCpTp8XdM Version 3.] I'm having trouble synchronizing the soldier's rockets for some reason, that's the best I could manage without video editing. :3 What about the sandvich demo? — [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 02:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-:Just keep holding F so that the Soldier fires his rocket at the maximum rate, then it should be easy to synchronize~ All the rest is perfect. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:19, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
-== Sentry gun ==
+== {{Demo Header|Peace Out}} ==
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUoEaspacds
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = review needed
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+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Xy0hruZYyu6Sn3X6AAsh_SXTAzyDhHm3/view?usp=sharing
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-There are obviously some problems here. It doesn't show how much metal it costs to reload rockets at all, and the backpack view is rather aimless. Comments, please. -[[User:Armisael|Armisael]] 17:08, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
+== {{Demo Header|Commending Clap}} ==
-:The Backpack view is needed to show that you don't need any special weapons to create the Sentry Gun. As for Ammo, you should try and show how much Metal it costs to replace one of each. So showing how Much Metal it costs to reload one shell and again to show how much for one Rocket Salvo. It might be a good idea to do this with the Wrangler off-stage, so record using the Wrangler to fire one shell (Only one) and then you hitting the Sentry Gun to replace said shell. Then again, but with 1 Rocket Salvo to show how much metal that costs.
+{{DemoEntry
-:It might be necessary to trim out the parts where the Wrangler (And its Shield effect) can be seen before rendering. Make sure to use a LV 3 Sentry Gun for both of these. Common misconception is to use a lower-level Sentry Gun with the Shell experiment 'cause it can use those, but the Wrench will use 25 Metal to try and upgrade it as well as replace the Shell. You get the idea, I hope. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 17:56, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
+ | begin
+ | status = review needed
+ | reservation = [[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 17:13, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WKJM8eyVsJ2SmWnZHpNT5eqpziRvbiqh/view?usp=drive_link
+}}
-== Natascha/Buff Banner(redone) ==
+The transitions between classes need a little work. You can see the inventory including the other taunts like Conga and Killer Joke when you first click on the taunt for a couple frames. For the outro I usually fade out the game audio so the ambient noise fades as the screen fades out. Other than that I think it looks good but I'm not a mod or anything just my two cents. Also, I would probably wait for the taunt to be tradable just so the text isn't on there. [[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Mediarch'''}}]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[User talk:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Talk'''}}]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''My Edits'''}}]] 22:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
-Natascha got reserved two weeks ago but nothings come up yet so I decided to re-do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cz-VofzJTo
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Punchline}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = review needed
+ | reservation = [[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Contribs'''</font>]] 16:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rU0tPt9mXMDmFYOszNOdW9KKiuTyUtd1/view?usp=sharing
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+= Need to be redone =
+== {{Demo Header|Fortified Compound}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation = [[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] 15-10-2024 18:00
+ | changes = {{c|Update to use post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage (4 dmg/tick for 7.5 seconds, previously 3 dmg/tick for 10 seconds).}}
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Crusader's Crossbow}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Ubercharge gain rate is reduced in the same way that the Medi Gun's healing (and therefore, Ubercharge build rate) is - it is based on the last time the target was in combat.}}<br>{{c|Does not show that if you try to heal up an enemy Spy, Über is not built.}}<br>{{c|Does not show that if you heal an enemy player through a Pyro's reflect, Über is built.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+I removed the clip from the previous demonstration when the medic is building his übercharge with the crossbow, the actual changes make it way too long. [https://youtu.be/Ssaodg-dl7g Video] — [[User:Thedop|Thedop]] ([[User talk:Thedop|talk]]) 14:44, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
+:The picture-in-picture clip is too large and covers the center of the main video's vision. So when the heavy/spy turns to see the medic, it just doesn't show up on the screen. Please decrease the size of the picture-in-picture — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
+::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6asv69_x0o&feature=youtu.be Second try] — [[User:Thedop|Thedop]] ([[User talk:Thedop|talk]]) 06:45, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
+:::The Minigun is still hiding the medic when he's firing... — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:07, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
+::::''*sigh*'' Thedop's demonstration has been in hiatus for two years. Maybe I can make my own demonstration if Thedop doesn't mind. — [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] <sub>(they/them)</sub> ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Exaskliri|contribs]]) 06:43, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
+:::::Demonstration reservations are only valid for 2 weeks. If the reservation tag remains on a video and no action has happened since, you can ignore the reservation and replace it with a reservation of your own. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
+::::::Oh, and by the way, don't forget to add a demonstration of healing afterburn (probably the most common type of status effect). [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 23:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
+::::::: Definitely doable for making an entry about using Crossbow at point blank range to both hit enemies and heal teammates. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 21:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
+I'm going to at least make an attempt at this since the last discussion regarding the Crossbow demonstration was two years ago. Any advice would be appreciated, since this is my first wiki contribution. (And yes, I know how to edit) [[User:Jk6419|Jk6419]] ([[User talk:Jk6419|talk]]) 02:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
+:Due to IRL responsibilities that have recently popped up, I am removing my reservation. My apologies. [[User:Jk6419|Jk6419]] ([[User talk:Jk6419|talk]]) 04:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Holiday Punch}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Does not demonstrate that disguised spies do not laugh from Holiday Punch.}}<br>{{c|Does not demonstrate interaction between cloaked spies and Holiday Punch crits.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+I kind of felt Holiday Punch could possibly be redone such that it demonstrates its interaction with cloaked and disguised spies. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 08:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
+:Not very practical, but sure, if anyone's up for it — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
+::Not sure if I have to create a new section for the Holiday Punch or add information on an already existing one, but there's several things that probably should also be demonstrated:
+::{{c|Demonstrate that enemies underwater doesn't laugh on the back / critical hits, which therefore, they don't receive damage}} (The map used for demonstrations does not have water, though)
+::{{c|Demonstrate that punching an enemy at the back / doing a critical hit on an enemy that is jumping / is on the air, has no effect, and does no damage}}
+::{{c|Demonstrate that it's possible to tickle enemies that are being Ubercharged, possibly include both the patient and the Medic being tickled}}
+::* Tickle the patient first, show that it's still in the effects of Uber, and tickle the Medic second, that would probably be more ideal, so it shows that when a Medic is tickled, his target loses the healing / ubercharge
+::* Perhaps also demonstrate the Quick-Fix ubercharge, since it mentions it blocks "movement-impairing effects", which isn't the case for the Holiday Punch (I'm pretty sure you can still get tickled with the Quick-Fix uber)
+::{{c|Demonstrate that a Scout with the effects of Bonk! can be tickled}}
+::{{c|Demonstrate that a Soldier with the Battalion's Backup active, as well his teammates receiving the Backup effect, can still be tickled}}
+:: A few other ones that I am unsure about:
+::{{c|Demonstrate that it's not possible to tickle robots and giant robots on MVM}} (I don't think we often make MVM-related stuff on these demonstrations, unless it's an unique mechanic like the Projectile Shield)
+::{{c|Demonstrate that an enemy who is taunting does not get tickled, and that it receives no damage on critical hits}} [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 04:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
+:::The <code>tr_karma_rc1</code> map has water (see [[Sydney Sleeper]] demonstration [https://youtu.be/95qD-3XF8ws?t=132 here]). I use that map for demonstrations, as it is preferred (according to the Weapon Demonstration page). — [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] <sub>({{gender:Exaskliri|he/him|she/her|they/them}})</sub> ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Exaskliri|contribs]]) 09:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
+:::No to the Quick-Fix + Bonk + Battalion's Backup things; as the project page states, non-stock item interactions are usually not demonstrated, in order to avoid having a full explosion of weapon interactions to demonstrate. The Quick Fix one also sounds like a bug, so usually that isn't worth demonstrating either because it has marginal utility and may eventually get patched, which would just create more video work later down the line. But all the other points are good to demonstrate, so +1 that a redo is in order for this one — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
+I have an idea on how the new video might be represented:
+'''Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic, Spy)'''
+*Do the same actions as was done in the original video
+'''Part 2: Basic Interactions'''
+Do the same actions as was done in the original video, demonstrating Kritzkrieg on Soldier (via friendly Medic) and Jarate on Demoman (via friendly Sniper), plus another for Medic interactions.
+'''Part 2a:'''
+# Approach friendly Kritzkrieg Medic, who has full charge
+# Get charged with the Kritzkrieg buff
+# Keep punching the enemy Soldier until the buff wears off
+# Punch again while the buff is off, and keep doing it until the Soldier dies
+'''Part 2b:'''
+# Approach friendly Sniper holding Jarate
+# Let the Sniper throw Jarate at the enemy Demoman
+# Attack the Demoman normally while he is Jarated
+# Attack the Demoman from behind while he is Jarated
+# Kill the Demoman normally again while he is Jarated
+'''Part 2c:'''
+# '''(This is where the new stuff begins)''' Approach an enemy Medic who is healing a <s>friendly</s> enemy Scout with his Medi Gun
+# Attack the Scout from the front and behind
+# Enemy Medic activate Medi Gun invulnerability
+# Do the same as Step 2 onto Scout except while Übercharged
+# Do the same as Step 4 except on Medic
+'''Part 3: Versus Mittens Heavy'''
+# Approach the enemy Mittens Heavy
+# Attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. Watch him laugh.
+# Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. Watch yourself laugh.
+# Mittens Heavy will swap out Holiday Punch for Minigun.
+# Attack the Heavy with your Holiday Punch.
+# Swap your Holiday Punch for the Shotgun
+# Mittens Heavy will swap out Minigun for Holiday Punch
+# Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch.
+# '''(This is where the new stuff begins)''' Jump, and while mid-air let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
+# Go behind the Mitten Heavy's back
+# Let the Mittens Heavy jump, and attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
+'''Part 4: Spy Interactions'''
+View from the Heavy's and Spy's points of view, with a smaller video on the top-right (or something like that) for the Spy's point of view.
+# Approach the enemy Spy
+# Let the enemy Spy cloak
+# Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.
+# Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)
+# Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.
+'''Part 5: Taunts and Water'''
+# Let the enemy Engineer taunt from his Shotgun. It should be the one where he dances around.
+# While the enemy Engineer is taunting, attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
+# Repeat Steps 1 and 2 except attack him from the front.
+# The enemy Engineer runs to the water. Follow him into the water.
+# Attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
+'''Part 6: Robots'''
+# Approach an enemy Robot, preferably the Holiday Punch Heavy Robot.
+# Attack him with your Holiday Punch from the front, and then attack him from behind. There should be no laugh.
+<s>[[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 02:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)</s> <s>[[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 02:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC)</s> [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 10:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
+:Very detailed, nice. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:48, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
+::By the way, I also think that it would be helpful to add a section dedicating to observing a duration comparison for all [[Schadenfreude]] taunts. I have a feeling that the length of the taunt has an impact on gameplay of the Holiday Punch. So maybe we could do a section where 9 Holiday Punch Heavies simultaneously attack one of each class, which demonstrates the time it would take to get out of the forced animation.  [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 01:41, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
+:::Might be cool if only for the comedy of it all. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
+::::On "Part 4 - Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)", why not make the Spy disguise as the Heavy, and make sure that the Holiday Punch is active? The Spy won't be able to laugh, but I wonder if you (the player), would laugh. In case that happens, then it would be important to also showcase trying to punch the Spy from behind without having him with the Holiday Punch active. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 03:19, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
+:::::Actually, never mind. For some reason I thought you also laughed with who you just punched that is also wearing the mittens (it commonly happens when both Heavies hold their left clicks after being tickled). But, the Spy wearing the Holiday Punch may be the best scenario here, so it shows that the disguise is not lost (although make sure to show also without the mittens active, and, when the mittens is active for Spy, punch him from the back, then punch him from the front). [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 13:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Power Up Canteen}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|doesn't show Canteen Specialist upgrades like Battery Canteens demo does}}
+ | video =
+}}
+I feel like I can do a demonstration for this one. But my canteen is a crafted version so it has my username on it. Is that acceptable ? [[User:Kaezle|Kaezle]] ([[User talk:Kaezle|talk]]) 04:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
+: If you right click on it you should be able to remove that. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 06:22, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
+::I think the stock version (Normal quality) should be used over the Unique one, considering all players have it. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 04:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Chargin' Targe}}, {{Demo Header|Tide Turner}}, and {{Demo Header|Splendid Screen}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = review needed
+ | reservation = [[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 13:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
+ | changes = {{c|Should be redone to show that charging with the shields remove debuffs}}
+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P9-IDAoG6cQU53pGsFpNgGPxK3Di9uP-/view?usp=sharing
+}}
+Should these be redone to show that they remove debuffs such as Jarate, bleeding, afterburn, etc.? If so, which effects should I specifically show?<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 08:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
+:{{c|yes}}, the effects that should show are just some of them, not all
+:* Soaking, Jarate is preferable as it make the screen yellow tint.
+:* Fire, simple burn from Flamethrower.
+:* Bleeding, from Southern Hospitality?
+:* Mark for death, from Fan O'War
+:I think those are all. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 12:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
+::Yes, that would all be good. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
+I think the Eyelander clip should probably be synced up better, or go one after another. I think the flame stuff should be done using the Flamethrower instead, as getting killed shows "Pyro carrying Cheddar's", try to also get a clip with a Pyro firing their Flamethrower and you charging through it, showing that if you get hit after the charge starts the debuffs don't get removed. Otherwise, looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
+:Looks good, only missing the clip with the mid-charge debuff being applied. You can do this using Jarate too if you find that easier (since it has splash).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
+::Looks good, the only thing I would change (if the demo needs other changes) is to have the Jarate in the second Jarate clip be thrown on you mid-way through the charge, rather than at the start (but after you already started charging).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::The fire overlay doesn't appear in the fire clip · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 03:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Quick-Fix}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes =
+ | video =
+}}
+<div class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:100%">
+Old reservation (29 April 2021)
+<div class="mw-collapsible-content" style="width:100%; text-align:left">
+{{c|What I've done in addition to the existing one (the timestamp in the parentheses are the old/new ones):}}
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=74 1:14]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=84 1:24]) On the first scene demonstrating the Quick-Fix's basic functions, I did the same as the old one, plus damaging myself and the patient Heavy while being Ubered, demonstrating that the Quick-Fix's Uber doesn't reduce incoming damage. I also damaged myself (the Medic) twice instead of once.
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=129 2:09]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=159 2:39]) When demonstrating the Quick-Fix's heal rate in comparison to the stock [[Medi Gun]], while mostly the same, I used a recently-injured Heavy, so that the heal rate (for each medigun) is at the slowest. I used an offscreen pistol Engineer (hence why the starting HP is 14), teleport commands, and <code>r_cleardecals</code>, so it should look neat.
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=137 2:17]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=181 3:01]) I demonstrated the knockback immunity from Quick-Fix's Uber the same way, but now there's health and Ubercharge HUD.
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=176 2:56]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=227 3:47]) I did the "mirror blast jumping" part outdoors, although it might not look neat. I'm sorry.
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=206 3:26]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=257 4:17]) I demonstrated crit healing (after the recipient doesn't take damage for 10-15 seconds) with the Quick-Fix's Uber in addition to the non-Uber Quick-Fix. Yes, the 3x healing rate Uber stacks with the crit heal.
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=233 3:53]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=416 6:56]) I redid the "Uber build rate comparison on different HP threshold" because the old one didn't have the Quick-Fix as the second healing beam, hence it doesn't explain if the second healing beam alone would slow down the Quick-Fix's Uber build rate (the Quick-Fix has 125% maximum overheal, lower than the usual Uber build rate penalty at 142.5% overheal).
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=266 4:26]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=306 5:06]) I demonstrated the Quick-Fix maximum overheal limit and decay rate on Scout vs. Heavy as well as comparing it to the stock [[Medi Gun]]'s overheal in addition to the "maintain overheal above 125%" that the old video demonstrated. For the last part, I only used one Heavy, as the aforementioned added demonstrations make up for that, and I maintained the overheal above and below 142.5% overheal (Uber build rate comparison) as well as healing the Heavy when the overheal goes down below 125%.
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=286 4:46]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=512 8:32]) For the "healing disguised Spy" part, I have two enemy bots (Heavy and Demoman) so that the Spy doesn't disguise as a Demoman named "Medic". Both bots are injured, so my disguise will be healed, too.
+{{c|The new ones (the timestamps refer to the new demonstration):}}
+# ([https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=459 7:39]) Demonstrating stock [[Medi Gun]]'s Uber vs. Quick-Fix's Uber (the latter doesn't reduce incoming damage, but prevents incoming knockback unlike the former) and the fact that they have same duration (barring the stock's lingering effect). Also has Quick-Fix's Uber without incoming rockets to demonstrate that the duration is the same.
+# ([https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=478 7:58]) Ubering multiple teammates at the same time drain faster than Ubering a single teammate alone. Also, only the aforementioned Ubering multiple teammates drains Uber faster; Ubering an injured teammate drains at the same rate as Ubering a healthy teammate (fully overhealed) and not healing someone when Ubered.
 <br>
-http://www.mediafire.com/?n1uvxc1h77gu9ra - if its good to go. [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 09:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
-:Also tried re-doing the Buff Banner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qHdwcgKrNY [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 11:00, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
+:I did the "Uber draining when dropped" part, but both mediguns show "Dropped by Exaskliri." Is it allowed? I gave the bot the Quick-Fix via bot_mirror command. https://youtu.be/0ZlwvHZrjdU [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 04:27, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
-:Natascha video needs to show that now, slowdown is based on distance. So you should do multiple takes for slowdown. Buff Banner is good but it'd be nice if it had more teammates in it, so that you can more easily show that they all get the buff. I know the current one doesn't do that, but it'd be nice still. Oh, and you also need to tell us how you make your videos so smooth :o — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:53, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
+::Nothing you can do about that, that's just how it shows. Shouldn't be too noticeable and there's no point in going through the trouble of setting up a server and getting a buddy to join only so it doesn't show. Though the confusion on where the quick-fix actually is should be redone so it doesn't look like you are looking for it.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 10:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
-::Okee-dokee, tried again at the buff banner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfBar6iKDSw And my videos are so smooth because my computer can record w/ fraps at 150fps and I then render it into 60 :>. [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 02:58, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
+:# I just did the "mirroring the explosive jump" part, though I don't think it looks neat. Is it OK? https://youtu.be/NQo1iTxQSEA [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 03:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
-:::That can't be right, because YouTube re-cuts it to 30 frames per second in the end D: Do you merge frames to 30 fps? Anyway, Buff Banner taunt needs to show the flag like the Battalion's Backup demo does. Just taunt a bit earlier~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
+:# Just finished the whole demonstration. I just need to attach the segments. [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 15:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
-::::Alright, tried again. Got the flag in for about 2 seconds with everything I had to demonstrate(I hope thats enough ;_;). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf89szS1Czc And ya, youtube scales down to 30 fps but all that matters is the source footage. 150fps rendered to 60 will have the rendered version show what 150fps would look like at 60fps without actually looking like 60fps, if that makes sense, and so on. That's how it works(I think). [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 08:10, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
+:# Just finished <s>uploading</s> re-uploading the new Quick-Fix demonstration video to YouTube and MediaFire.
-:::::Is good, please upload~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:40, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
+::# https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U
-::::::http://www.mediafire.com/?4snf6s0x2kqts7k [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 02:14, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
+::# https://www.mediafire.com/file/kx7kbaik5vwpwyj/Quick-Fix_Weapon_Demonstration_Video.mp4/file
+:::[[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 08:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
+:::: I don't see any problems, except for the the explosive jumps scenes, that looks a bit laggy, and in general the quality, that seems to be more like a rendering issue, though shouldn't be a problem · [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] ([[User talk:Ashe|talk]]) 04:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
+: I'm fixing the video right now (quieting projector sound, incorrect fade out time, etc.). Gotta reupload soon. [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 10:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
+: Just uploaded the fixed version of the [[Quick-Fix]] demonstration video. [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 13:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
+::This is spectacular work, thanks a lot! Just two comments, none of which should require a lot of work to fix hopefully:
+* Video quality also seems to have the same artifacts as the Winger demonstration. Please increase the bitrate. Unlike the Winger demonstration, I understand that a demonstration this long could take forever and use a lot of bandwidth to upload twice (to YouTube and to MediaFire), so if the video quality is approved for the Winger demonstration is good enough and you've used the same settings for re-rendering this demonstration, feel free to just upload the higher-quality Quick Fix demonstration to MediaFire only, in order to avoid having to upload the huge file twice.
+* There is an audio/video glitch at 9:56 - 9:57.
+— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
+:::You finally responded! Thank you so much. The video/audio glitch is from the .dem recording, so I had to conduct another play, especially since it involves another player. [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 15:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
+::::Alright. Can you upload the new version? — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
+</div></div>
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Kritzkrieg}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = review needed
+ | reservation = [[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 22:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
+ | changes = {{c|Does not show that Kritz Über does not prevent capping or carrying the Intelligence.}}<br>{{c|Does not show health of patients, overheal is not shown properly.}}
+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QdVc1nL_l3qRdnedua3f7UX96dMA4wj5/view?usp=drive_link
+}}
+I think I'll take this one! [[User:Greenfox|Greenfox]] ([[User talk:Greenfox|talk]]) 20:51, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
+:Please sign your comments using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 20:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
+sorry! [[User:Greenfox|Greenfox]] ([[User talk:Greenfox|talk]]) 06:27, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
+:Could anyone give me advice on how to do this demo?  For one thing, [https://youtu.be/PbByxTR2c5s?t=69 this] part of the video isn't possible with the new map, and I am not sure what to do.
+:[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 00:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
+::Off the top of my head, you could use the wooden separator near the back of the room. So long as its clear the beam disconnects because something is physically between you and the healing target, it shouldn't matter.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 01:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::Also, I'm trying to make a script to make the bots move, like in the part where the soldier is Übercharged, for example.
+:::[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 18:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
+::::It's easier to just ask someone for help.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 18:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::::I am asking for help.
+:::::[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 19:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
+::::::I believe they mean asking someone to join the server to make some clips easier to get.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 05:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
+:What map should I use to demonstrate capping the points?
+:[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 03:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
+::Every other Medi Gun demonstration uses Badlands, so just use that.
+::'''EDIT''': Clarification, [[Badlands (Control Point)]] specifically should be used, not the KOTH version.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 12:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== Trading demonstration ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Doesn't show the "Requires Steam Guard verification" window}}
+ | video =
+}}
+We can make the same Medic and Heavy conversation joke.
+:Alright, it seems that Steam won't allow me to change the Trading window language for some reason, so i'm leaving this to a English-speaker user · [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] ([[User talk:Ashe|talk]]) 04:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
+:I don't think we should redo this just for this reason; there may be more UI changes to that process in the future, and it seems unnecessary. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
+::I think it's necessary.  It's the little things that count anyway.  If I could do it, should I record the footage of me verifying the trade on my phone?
+::[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 03:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Teleporters|icon=RED Teleporter.png}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation = [[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]], 7-8-2024 17:03 CEST
+ | changes = {{c|Needs to show the updated metal cost.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+I think the current demo is a bit messy, so I'm making a new order:
+First clip (showing basic things, requires 3 people):
+* Build entrance (no speeding up), watch it fully unfold.
+* Build exit (speeding it up). Take Teleporter once it's fully built.
+* Fully upgrade to level 3 using 3 pre-spawned full ammo boxes. Upgrade to Level 2 on the Exit, and upgrade to Level 3 on the Entrance (showing both sides share upgrades).
+* Friendly takes the Tele, enemy player (non-Spy) tries to take the Tele, then an enemy Spy tries to take the Tele (undisguised).
+Second clip:
+* Third screens: left screen shows Tele Entrance being selected from PDA, middle screen shows Tele being selected from PDA, right screen has Tele pre-built and picks it up. All 3 put it down, left stares at it, middle hits it, right stares at it (showing off build speed vs wrench hitting vs redeploying).
+Third clip (requires 2 people):
+* Third screens: Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right. Shows friendly player getting teleported, then walks back to entrance and waits for another teleport. Do this for 3 teleports in total. Alternatively, we take another 2 people. They stand in a line and take Teleporter as I watch. Tele brings them to an off-screen place, and I (Engineer) stop on it last. Both teammates look at the Engi, say a thank you voice line. The last bit is only for a bit of humour, so I can understand if we just take the first option only.
+Fourth clip:
+* Either a single screen (my preference) or one-third screens: Spy walks on Tele undisguised, gets teleported. Walks back to Entrance, disguises, gets teleported. Walks back to Entrance, takes Disguise off, then cloaks and stands on Tele.
+Fifth clip:
+* Spy saps Tele Exit, stand on Tele (showing no teleporting), remove Sapper, repair Tele (shows both sides get healed at the same time). Switch sides, Spy saps Entrance, remove Sapper.
+Sixth clip:
+* Third screens: Spy saps Tele, wait until it dies. Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right.
+Seventh clip (requires 2/3 people):
+* Enemy Heavy stands on Tele Exit, I go through (killing him). I walk back in front of Entrance, Medic with Über pops it on patient (who walks on Tele), I go through (killing him). Medic stands on Exit (with Über still), I kill him. If possible, the first Übered player should have respawned by now as a Spy, noclipped out of frame, then walks onto Tele entrance, going through and telefragging me (Engi).
+Optional extra clips:
+Eureka Effect clip:
+* Half screen: left has stock, right has Eureka Effect. Both build Tele, grab one of the 2 large ammo boxes in front of them, and start upgrading their Teles. Eureka Effect finishes first as it only needs 200, Stock requires 400.
+Setup time clip:
+* Shows extra fast upgrading of Teles.
+If I missed anything, let me know, but this should be all.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
+:I think this covers pretty much all there is for teleporters. <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 15:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Amputator}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Does not show damage against players vs stock}}
+ | video =
+}}
+I recorded most of this but medic's health regen is completely random as far I can tell. I can't get the clips to line up so I can properly demonstrate the increased health regen so I'm removing my reservation for the time being. I might try again some other time to brute force it but it doesn't seem promising [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 18:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
+:Not having them be synced up is fine as long as it's clear that the Amputator goes faster.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 18:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
+:: That's not the issue I'm having. It's the part where you're showing that it only regenerates faster while you are actively holding the amputator itself. The original video has a 3-way splitscreen with the left side being Amputator, the middle having the Amputator equipped but switched to hold the medi gun, and the right holding the stock bonesaw. I can't the medi gun side and bonesaw side to sync up so it looks like one of them is slightly faster than the other. One of the two is always slightly faster or slower which makes it really difficult to properly demonstrate that part. Even the actual health you gain each tick is slightly variable from what I can tell. I had 6 different clips and synched them all up and they all finished at different times and would have different health values despite all other variables being equal. All 6 clips started at the same time but all 6 of them have different HP https://imgur.com/3NVTjSG. My only thought for a fix is I could try to cheat and essentially just crop the health bar from one of the clips and paste it onto the other so that way they are perfectly synced up. It'd have to be a seamless edit though which is pretty hard to do. [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 19:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
+:::I'd argue that so long as there is a reasonably larger difference in time between when the Amputator while held reaches full health to the Bonesaw and Medi-Gun clips, even with a minor difference between the latter two the point should get across. Syncing them up would be difficult unless you used a config file to automate the clip upon spawn, as AFAIK Medic regenerates health based on a set timer even while at full health, meaning health can start being restored seemingly inconsistent to when he takes damage.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 00:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Thermal Thruster}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Video doesn't show the increased knockback while using the item}}
+ | video =
+}}
+This video was created when the rule was just "at least 30 fps". Now, the knockback clips are a bit random and doesn't properly show the actual effect. Maybe the demonstrator can show it by placing a pyro aiming upwards and make it airblast them. The clips would be in badwater roof, the left clip without the thermal just falling off from it and the right clip, jumping with the thermal onto the pyro. · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Natascha}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Needs to show that when an enemy is being healed by a medi gun or other source (like a dispenser) they're immune to the slowdown.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Ubersaw}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation = [[User talk:Myrmxa|Myrmxa]] 19:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
+ | changes = {{c|Needs swing speed penalty compared to stock.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+I don't think it's necessary to show the Spy stabbing you during the Über, I would change that to just holding out the Ubersaw and watching it drain. It looks a bit awkward running into the Spy attacking like that. I also can't tell if the video is too low FPS or if it's just Google Drive, so [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] will have to be the judge of that. Other than that, looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
+:Looks like the FPS is good, I do think the ÜberCharge bit should be changed, however.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
+Added updated ver. [[User:Myrmxa|Myrmxa]] ([[User talk:Myrmxa|talk]]) 19:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
+:The sound is very quiet. In the first clip, I would wait until the entire ÜberCharge is over before doing the taunt (hold out the Ubersaw to watch the liquid drain). Another clip already shows that you hitting someone mid-ÜberCharge extends the duration.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Machina}}, {{Demo Header|Shooting Star}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = review needed
+ | reservation = [[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 15:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
+ | changes = {{c|Does not show fully charged damage vs stock.}}
+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/13gRuCMB48SoDTubbzI04_syOSzdxwACT/view?usp=sharing
+ | video-text = Machina
+ | video-extra = [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1z5PQoM1oHC1676HDUSMlYvpmuqhBMi7_/view?usp=sharing Shooting Star]
+}}
+Might as well add in the Shooting Star too. If possible, during the fully charged damage segment, show side-by-side that the Machina can't fire while unscoped. [[User:Andreng|Andreng]] ([[User talk:Andreng|talk]]) 13:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
+:Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
+::I'm not convinced to the dmg comparison clip. I think it would be better if you make a comparison with a Demo instead. To make the Machina kill the demo with one shot, try to damage it with one shot of the smg · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 20:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Ap-Sap}}, {{Demo Header|Snack Attack}}, {{Demo Header|Red-Tape Recorder}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation = [[User:Dessensce|Dessensce]] ([[User talk:Dessensce|talk]]) 06:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
+ | changes = {{c|Does not show Sapped Sentry Guns take 33% less damage from the Spy who applied the Sapper.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Battery Canteens}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Needs Canteen Specialist's time bonus for canteens shown.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Classic}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Does not demonstrate damage comparison compared to stock. [Both quickscope and fully charged]}}<br />{{c|Does not demonstrate jumping while scoping.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+'''Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic)'''
+Start with the Pyro, Soldier, and Medic, plus the enemy Sniper as shown in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2tK4HASL-I the current video].
+# Inspect the rifle
+# Scope the rifle without manually charging. Pause for a few seconds.
+# Charge the rifle to full while scoped. Pause for a few seconds.
+# Let go of the charge while scoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
+# Pause for a few seconds and unscope.
+# Charge the rifle to full while unscoped. Pause for a few seconds.
+# Let go of the charge while unscoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
+# Shoot the Pyro with a quickshot bodyshot at the middle of his body, where there is little chance of accidentally hitting the headshot hitbox. Specifically, aim at his middle flame grenade.
+# Move the crosshair to Pyro's head.
+# Shoot the Pyro's head with a quickshot "headshot".
+# Shoot the Pyro's head again, but with a partially charged "headshot".
+# Aim at Soldier's head, and kill him with a fully charged unscoped headshot.
+# Aim at enemy Sniper's head, and kill him with a fully charged scoped headshot
+# Aim at Medic's head, and attack him with a scoped partially charged "headshot"
+# Move the crosshair to Medic's body, specifically slightly to the left of his lower visible button right above his glove.
+# Kill the Medic with a fully charged scoped bodyshot.
+# Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a non-scoped headshot.
+# Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a scoped fully charged headshot.
+# Taunt.
+'''Part 2 – Sniper Movement 1'''
+Three split videos of Sniper, left and middle with Classic, right with Sniper Rifle. This will demonstrate that charging slows down the player.
+# Begin charging the middle Classic. Also begin charging the normal Sniper Rifle.
+# Move forward to the garage door.
+'''Part 3 – Sniper Movement 2'''
+Two split videos of Sniper, both with Classic. This will demonstrate that releasing a charge returns the speed back to normal.
+# Begin charging the right-hand side.
+# For the right-hand camera, release the charged shot by shooting at anywhere in front.
+# Move forward to the garage door, with no charged shots on either of them.
+'''Part 4 – Scope and Cancelling'''
+Be at a tall location, enough for room to jump up and down. When doing the switching of weapons, make sure the weapon switch menu is visible, not just performing a quickswitch.
+# Aim straight.
+# Charge the Classic to full, and then switch to the SMG. Switch back to the Classic.
+# Repeat Step 2 but switch to the Kukri, then back to the Classic.
+# Scope and jump.
+# Unscope the Classic.
+# Charge the Classic and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
+# Charge the Classic to full and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
+# Charge the Classic while scoped and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
+'''Part 5 – Fall, Land, and Shoot'''
+At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy once you're on the ground.
+# Charge the Classic.
+# Fall while still charging.
+# Shoot at the Heavy while you are on the ground, still with your charged shot ready. If done correctly, Heavy should be able to be dealt more than 50 damage.
+'''Part 6 – Fall and Mid-Air Shoot'''
+At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy mid-air.
+# Charge the Classic.
+# Fall while still charging.
+# Attempt to shoot at the Heavy while in mid-air. If done correctly, Heavy shouldn't be shot because the bullet was not actually shot.
+'''Part 7 - Damage Comparisons, Non-Charged'''
+Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic quickscope bodyshot, top-right is Classic quickscope "headshot", bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope "headshot".
+# Start from the "natural" aiming position, and specifically point towards the head if the clip is a quickscope "headshot".
+# Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.
+(Heavy is chosen because, unlike the Pyro, the 45 versus 50 damage actually makes a difference to who dies first; Pyro dies in four shots with both rifles for quickscope bodyshots, as opposed to Heavy who dies in 6 with 50 damage and 7 with 45 damage.)
+'''Part 8 - Damage Comparisons, Charged'''
+Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic full bodyshot, top-right is Classic full headshot, bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle full headshot.
+(Heavy is chosen because he is killed with three shots from Classic full bodyshots, but two shots with normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshots.)
+# Scope from all rifles and charge them immediately (or automatically in the case of normal Sniper Rifle)
+# Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.
+For the damage comparisons, Medic could also be used, as a normal quickscope bodyshot takes 3 hits to kill him, or 4 with Classic quickscope bodyshots, and for full bodyshots just either 1 or 2 hits. The light classes won't work, neither for the moderately bulky classes like Pyro and Demo. Soldier also doesn't work for the full bodyshot stage, as he dies in 2 shots for both types.
+There's also the interaction with cancelling a charge in water, but not sure if that specific interaction is necessary to demonstrate.
+[[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 06:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Reserve Shooter}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Needs to show damage against targets launched airborne via their own explosives, Thermal Thruster and Grappling Hook.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+Forgot to add this here after checking the existing demonstration for reference on how best to handle the Direct Hit's airshot clips on tr_karma_wiki, only to see some clips were also absent for this weapon too.
+<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 07:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Battin' A Thousand}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Show the taunt with Scout's different melees similar to the [[Roar O'War]] demonstration.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Southern Hospitality}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Update to show post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+Noticed this while watching the existing demonstration. Currently it shows afterburn inflicts 3 damage per tick (4 with SH), when it is now 4 damage per tick (5 with SH).<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 00:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Invis Watch}}, {{Demo Header|Cloak and Dagger}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Update to show post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Quäckenbirdt}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Needs to include afterburn time and damage comparison.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+While I was checking over the invis watches to see which ones included the updated afterburn damage, I realized this demonstration was missing the comparison entirely.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 01:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Warrior's Spirit}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation = [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]]
+ | changes = {{c|Does not show damage against players vs stock}}
+ | video =
+}}
+Question, how exactly should I show the damage difference? [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 17:48, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
+:The same way other damage penalty/bonus weapons do.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:52, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+::I am still having the bug where my game freezes. Maybe I can’t do this demo after all. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 18:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
+= [[Main Page (Classic)|Team Fortress Classic]] =
+== [[File:TFC Crowbar.PNG|16px]]{{Demo Header|Crowbar (Classic)}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation = [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]]
+ | changes = {{c|Demonstrate damage and maximum range}}
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== [[File:TFC p nailgun.png|16px]]{{Demo Header|Nailgun (Classic)}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation = [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]]
+ | changes = {{c|Demonstrate damage at close, mid and long range}} <br /> {{c|Demonstrate accuracy and the effects of recoil}}
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+=Questions and Proposals=
+'''Note: This section is for questions and proposals that aren't specific to a single weapon. If you think a demo ought to be remade, then make an entry for it in the [[Team_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Weapon_Demonstration#Need_to_be_redone|Need to be Redone]] section above and it will be dealt with.'''
+== [[File:Item icon Voodoo-Cursed Heavy Soul.png|20px|link=Zombie Infection]] [[Zombie Infection]] Zombies ==
+{{c|Zombies have different abillities than normal players}}.
+Hello, I am Slimyboi500.  I will be doing the demostrations for each zombie in Zombie Infection.
+Why, you may ask?  Unlike normal gamemodes, the [[BLU]] team (or in this case, the zombies), have different [[Zombie_Infection#Zombie_abilities|abillities]] than normal:
+*[[Scout]]: Speed Demon
+*[[Soldier]]: Pounce
+*[[Pyro]]: Hellspawn
+*[[Demoman]]: Blast Charge
+*[[Heavy]]: The Tank
+*[[Engineer]]: EMP Grenade
+*[[Medic]]: Heal
+*[[Sniper]]: Spit
+*[[Spy]]: Reveal
+They also have different effects, like different amounts of [[health]] and [[speed]].  The zombies only can use melee attacks however, which makes it harder to kill.
+Let me know if it's a good idea or not.
+----[[User:Slimyboi500|Slimyboi500]] ([[User talk:Slimyboi500|talk]]) [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px]] 17:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
+:If we're doing this, I think there should be a demonstration made for each gamemode, rather than just Zombie Infection. Although ZI has gotten an introduction video now that shows off the mode pretty well, so I don't believe it is necessary.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
+::The introduction is missing a few key details, such as not showing the Soldier or Heavy's abilities.  I feel like it would be a good idea.  Such as like there should be a demo for VSH.
+::----[[User:Slimyboi500|Slimyboi500]] ([[User talk:Slimyboi500|talk]]) [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px]] 18:12, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
+:::It doesn't show each ability, but it does overall show the gamemode very well and I think does a sufficient job. Although, again, if we are making demonstrations for this, I think one should be made for each gamemode.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 18:18, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
+::::Yes, I think there should be one for each gamemode.
+::::----[[User:Slimyboi500|Slimyboi500]] ([[User talk:Slimyboi500|talk]]) [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px]] 19:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
+:::::Remember to also indent your signature and to keep your answers above the hidden comment.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
+::::::Still, is that a yes on the idea?
+::::::----[[User:Slimyboi500|Slimyboi500]] ([[User talk:Slimyboi500|talk]]) [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px]] 20:28, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
+{{Outdent|6}} I'm voting no, but other people might be in favour of it. [[User:Profiteer|Profiteer]] was, for example, so I'm waiting for more input.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
+:I vote yes for the Zombie Infection zombies (as well Saxton Hale on VSH), but not for other gamemodes. I consider these zombies kinda like "new weapons". They all have different abilities, passives, first-person views, etc. I'm not quite sure if there needs to be a demonstration regarding the human part (only if demonstrated humans being infected by zombies upon dying), and perhaps the only thing related to humans would be that zombies drop small healthkits (because it's related to them, the zombies). A showcase of each zombie class, its ability, and some human interactions like being infected by them, and, killing them as humans, would probably be a nifty video package. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 22:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
+:: I'm all in for ZI and VSH demos, but a significant issue would be future balance patches to the modes. Each balance patch so far has significantly changed the zombies, and if we had already made the demo, we would have to redo the video for each one of these updates, which would result in multiple uploads of the same video over and over again and a lot of work (and given how we can barely keep up with the current demos in the [[#Need_to_be_redone|backlog]]...). Maybe instead of a gamemode demonstration, we could simply do a "zombie class demonstration" ("Zombie Sniper", etc.) and a "mechanics demonstration" (weapon modifications, gamemode-specific elements). This way, if a zombie is changed, we wouldn't have to redo the entire video. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] 22:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
+::: I will do the demo as soon as I get enough votes for it
+::: ----[[User:Slimyboi500|Slimyboi500]] ([[User talk:Slimyboi500|talk]]) [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px]] 18:42, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
+::::Voting yes for the demo, ZI and VSH seems stable...for now at least[[User:Profiteer|Profiteer（奸商）the tryhard]] ([[User talk:Profiteer|talk]]) 11:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
+:::::Voting yes for ZI and VSH videos. Videos per zombie for ZI is a good idea. Now, we'll have to wait for the upcoming ZI update, in which I think will be the last one with gameplay changes? · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 23:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
+::::::The only issue is that the maps aren't fitted well for demos, and I can't find out how to turn into zombies on normal maps.  The same goes for VSH too.
+::::::[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 00:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
+{{Outdent|6}} The VScript would have to be ported over, as well as all the assets. Alternatively, doing all of this on an existing map of those game modes.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 00:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
+== Flippin' Awesome and Skullcracker in VSH ==
+When Saxton Hale used [[Flippin' Awesome]] or [[Skullcracker]], the other mercenary participating the taunt will be [[VS_Saxton_Hale_Mode#cite_ref-10|taunt killed]], is this something worth remaking the taunt demonstration? Or we just keep the current taunt demonstration, but add this feature into the VSH demonstration? --[[User:AlexT|<span style="background:linear-gradient(#D1EEFC, #81F3FD);border:1px #99F3FD solid;color:#007FFF;border-radius:8px">'''Alex'''</span>]]┋[[User talk:AlexT|<span style="color: #FF6600;">'''T'''</span>]] 18:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
+:I think a VSH demonstration would be better, as it may be confusing why Saxton Hale is suddenly there when he's not normally playable.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=Wiki Cap]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 19:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
+::Yes, a demonstration regarding VSH, showing all Hale's abilities, and some unique taunt interactions, would be the most ideal (including his default taunt kill). That one would probably be more lengthy, and some things would probably require to be discussed beforehand. Like Mercs being able to wall climb (which is applied to even stock weaponry), should that be shown too? [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 20:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
+:::I think maybe a demonstration for every game mode could be in order, as a sort of semi-tutorial created by us. A VSH one would fit that too.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=Wiki Cap]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 08:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
+== Configs for partner taunt demonstrations ==
+I've created some configs for partner taunt demonstrations. It automatically spawns 2 bots, places you in the starting position, and has another small command ("teleport") to input after it to teleport both the bots to the right position. It binds H and J to the bots performing taunts, H = BLU bot does taunt, J = RED bot does taunt. They're all class-specific and automatically kick any other bots there. There's no way (right now) that I know of to update the weaponref.zip, so if anyone needs it I can forward you a zip of the files. Just let me know on my talk page (or if you know of a way to update weaponref).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
+== New tr_karma and requirements ==
+I've been working in the past week in fixing some issues tr_karma has and some new guidelines. The changes to tr_karma are:
+* Increased lightmap quality in the interiors
+* Fixed a "checkerboard" texture in the gas cylinder, the ceiling fan and the cardboard boxes
+* Added chat scripts to enable noclip (!n in the chat), regenerate (!r), spawn an ammo pack (!am) and enable demonstration server settings (!demo) (these commands are available also in the new tr_karma_basic.cfg)
+* Fixed the func_buttons in the wood targets only working once, thus displaying the hit particle once
+* Removed Tough Break cases and the Gargoyle prop as they didn't fit the ambience
+* Removed the mining cart prop in the rails due of a lighting issue
+* Repacked the map, reducing the map size from ~91 MB to ~18 MB
+The link to the download and new proposed guidelines are [[User:Ashe/Sandbox2|here]]. Check them out and give feedback · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 16:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
+== Issues with tr_krama and tr_krama_event ==
+When I start a local server and load tr_krama/tr_krama_event, it won't load (probably because it doesn't exsit) lights/shadow making the map super bright, this only happens on 2 krama maps, I tried to download a modified version of tr_krama on workshop and it worked perfectly, pretty sure something is missing in the map file from weaponref.zip.[[User:Profiteer|<font color="8470FF">Profiteer]] the tryhard ([[User talk:Profiteer|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Profiteer|contribute]])</font> 05:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
+:It works fine on my end.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 10:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
+::Join the IRC to help you @Profiteer · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 21:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
+:::@Profiteer do you have HDR enabled? · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 16:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
+== Question about 2D and 3D player models ==
+A question I've had for a while about weapon demonstrations is, is there a specific reason that 2D player images in the HUD are standard rather than the 3D player model (be it for performance, consistency, or any other reason), also considering that 3D player models are enabled by default? The 3D model could also generally be more useful for certain cosmetics or demonstrations. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 16:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
+: they're buggy, eat up frame rate on a lot of systems, and aren't really necessary. I don't think they really add anything of value to the videos so my vote would be to keep them disabled. [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 16:50, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
+::As far as I know, there's no real reason that we prefer one over the other. 3D models are enabled by default, but it may have just been something that was done for a while and became the standard.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 16:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
+:::Fair point, it would obviously be a massive hassle to redo every demonstration with a 2D player model. Also for some people I suppose keeping them off improves framerate. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 19:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
+::::I'm pretty sure it's because when they were added to the game, it caused lag to a lot of people. The recent 64 bits update fixed the 3d character using a lot of cpu and now it shouldn't affect fps (although i guess modern pcs didn't have issue with it anyways) · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 15:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
+== Mastercomfig question ==
+I am planning to make a demonstration, and the recommended requirements state that Mastercomfig High/Ultra is preferrable. However, I highly doubt my PC is able to run Mastercomfig High/Ultra properly and all the other high graphics settings. Is it acceptable if I use Mastercomfig Medium High and use average graphics settings? May look slightly lower quality than a typical reservation, but I don't think much will be affected. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 21:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
+:Ultra is preferable, but setting your game to all max settings should suffice.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
+::Well, I'll look through some configurations, and if I find one that looks high enough quality without sacrificing my computer's performance I will use it (my PC is not too high spec, to say the least). My demonstration is for the Cleaner's Carbine; once you review it tell me your thoughts. For me this is especially important because I will need to screen record this too. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 21:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
+== Closed Captions/Subtitles ==
+Random thought today for a low priority task: creating subtitle files to explain what is being demonstrated during the videos. Potentially beneficial for new players; for example, and what made me think of this, during the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzaDV6NNHXs pomson] video we're shown a spy POV getting hit by the pomson to demonstrate the cloak drain, which is only noticed if the player is looking at the cloak HUD element, which is pretty easy to miss (imo), especially if you're new and have no idea what's going on and are just looking at the engie firing the shot.
+<strike>Looking at [https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2734698?hl=en#zippy=%2Cadvanced-file-formats youtube supported formats] I'd reckon TTML is probably the way to go since it supports positioning (important imo) and styling (not very important imo). I've found [https://github.com/SubtitleEdit/subtitleedit this open source] editor which supports TTML and offers a built in video-from-url import for syncing.</strike> - After messing around for a bit, positioning seems very disconnected between the previews in that app and actually uploading the files to youtube, although once the proper settings are found it should be a breeze to copy paste the templates before submitting, might investigate after finals done next week if I can remember.
+On the admin side of things, seems like it's about 5 clicks to add a subtitle file. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnKOX2PaQZY Subtitle editor permissions] exist so it doesn't have to only be one person officially implementing these (which is what uploads appears to be if I'm not mistaken). Potentially the actual subtitle file contents could be put into this project's page as subpages e.g. [[Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000]] [[Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000/es]] and then create a category to mark them as ready to upload/update. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 19:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
+:Investigation has been made, a combination of the subtitling software [https://aegisub.org/ aegisub] and a corresponding [https://github.com/arcusmaximus/YTSubConverter converter] app work wonderfully. No positioning nonsense like all the other editors I could find and they offer style + positional templates so everything can be standardized. I've uploaded an [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_7Nhmng61c example] for half of the pomson demo (creating templates and finding the software wore me out too much to finish it rn). 240p bc I have .1kbps upload and can't be arsed waiting to upload HD. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 06:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
+:: The issue is actually uploading the subtitles. I've actually uploaded subtitles for all intro videos back when we uploaded the zombie infection one and it was such a pain... I took me ''days''. YouTube has a way to bulk upload them, but it seems limited to business accounts, which we are not and can't apply for.
+:: A request that is very frequent, and something that I've done a few times, is adding timestamps for when something happens in a video ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN-cAG3kW2I&lc=Ugzg0JWOWoTusUnnkqJ4AaABAg.9x1ptkjgJ8x9y19le2sD_i c this video] - a commenter asked to add timestamps for each minigun). I think we could do that more often out of courtesy (it actually does help), but not as a requirement for demos. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] 17:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
+::: As mentioned, there is a separate permission for subtitles. Seems like you can also upload the subtitles from an [https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/docs/captions/insert API]. Potentially this can be combined with the subtitle page idea and have a bot with a subtitle permission yt account to automatically upload them from the wiki. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 18:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
+::::I personally don't like the idea of describing it with text, as I'm afraid we or the people might get reliant on it, rather than the textless demonstration. Plus, it'll likely become outdated very fast.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
+== Achievement Demonstrations on the official TF Wiki YouTube channel ==
+Weapon demonstrations are very helpful in letting newer players know how a weapon fires or how an unlock's attributes affect standard gameplay, while keeping older players up-to-date on balance changes. But what if we assisted players of all kinds in learning how to earn TF2's 520 [[achievements]]? Introducing [https://www.drive.google.com/drive/u/5/folders/1yN_aq-13yxwwgsZrs0LbnkKCk1f3YZfE Achievement Demonstrations]! ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJGNf5H5IRU Video])
+=== ''"Why demonstrate achievements?"'' ===
+TF2 has '''hundreds''' of achievements, with many having rather ''vague'' descriptions. Thus, actively attempting to earn them may seem daunting to many players. Demonstration videos would provide clarity and encouragement to both newcomers and achievement hunters alike.
+=== ''"How should achievements be demonstrated?"'' ===
+Any achievements showcased should be earned in intended ways, utilizing simplest methods. [[Strategy#Achievement_strategies|This page]] should serve as a general guide. Weapon unlocks and cosmetics should be avoided unless essential to earning the achievement. General achievements that are earnable by any class should feature the [[Scout]] by default. Demonstrations should be primarily versus [[bots]], though versing another player will be necessary at times.
+* '''''[[Taunts#Kill_taunts|Taunt kill]] and [[Deathcam]]-related achievements:''''' Should feature the victim's Deathcam perspective of the player earning the achievement.
+* '''''Achievements involving performance of a repetitive task over a lengthy period of time:''''' Should be presented with a fade effect representing a time lapse, with only the start and earning of the achievement needed to be shown.
+* '''''[[Achievement_items|Milestone achievements]]:''''' Could be accomplished with either a brief compilation of the prerequisite achievements being earned, or with a simple showing of only the final achievement popup, along with the associated achievement item being claimed from the notifications menu.
+* '''''Achievements requiring Steam friends:''''' These will require alt accounts or coordination amongst contributors.
+* '''''Unobtainable achievements (ie certain [[Replay_achievements|Replay achievements]]):''''' Should be presented with a note informing watchers the achievement is currently unable to be earned.
+* '''''[[Achievements#Joke_achievements|Joke achievements]]:''''' A demonstration should not be necessary for these.
+=== ''"Where should achievements be demonstrated?"'' ===
+Achievements should generally be showcased on tr_karma_wiki, tr_karma_event_wiki, or a variant edited in [[Valve_Hammer_Editor|Hammer]] with altered bot spawn locations.
+* '''''[[Arena]] achievements:''''' arena_karma_wiki.
+* '''''[[Capture the Flag]] achievements:''''' ctf_karma_wiki.
+* '''''[[Control point]] achievements:''''' cp_karma_wiki.
+* '''''[[King of the Hill]] achievements:''''' koth_karma_wiki.
+* '''''[[Mann_vs._Machievements|MvM achievements]]:''''' mvm_karma_wiki. Can utilize custom waves.
+* '''''[[Payload]] achievements:''''' pl_karma_wiki.
+* '''''[[List_of_maps|Map]]-specific achievements:''''' The official map associated with the achievement. MvM maps can utilize custom waves.
+* '''''Event-related achievements:''''' tr_karma_event_wiki or an edited variant.
+* '''''[[Replay]] achievements:''''' Should only use replays taken from one of the maps listed above.
+[[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 19:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
+: {{c|con}} My personal vote on this would be a no. I just don't see the need and it would feel spammy. The majority of achievements are pretty self explanitory. The few that are vague are thouroughly explained in the [[Obtaining General achievements|"Obtaining Achievements"]] type pages. This would be a massive ammount of work to produce and aprove all of these for what feels like very little to no gain in my opinion. Producing hundreds of videos explaining basic things feels like a huge waste of energy. I could maybe see an argument for making "official guides" for some of the more convoluted achievements but the wiki definitely shouldn't be making hundreds of videos covering basic stuff like "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances". [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 20:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
+:: Time and energy are non-factors as I am entirely willing to solo produce these if needed. And even basic achievements have their nuances. Per your example, does "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances" include ones that are being constructed? What about ones that are being sapped? Do destruction assists count? Et cetera. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 20:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
+:::I've heard that quite a few times about different projects, this is not something you will finish, trust me. I personally don't believe these add much value, some achievements are very self-explanatory, and the how-to is exactly why we have these pages. It's a neat idea, but there's too much that would go into these (including needing to pretty much reset all your achievements each time). If a project is going to be made, it needs to be accessible for everyone, or at least more than a few people willing to reset all their achievements.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 22:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
+::::It took only a few hours to make/edit the 5 example videos, the rest of the time I spent working on this project was spent planning and mapping (I had to learn how to use Hammer). Realistically, it would only take a few months for me to complete them all, and that's just with one person working on them. As for resetting achievements, [https://github.com/gibbed/SteamAchievementManager Steam Achievement Manager] is a facilitative way to modify your Steam achievement progress at will. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 23:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
+:::::And to refute the idea that a lot of the achievements are ''"too basic,"'' this same logic could apply just as much to any other demonstrations: [[weapons]] can simply be playtested by anyone booting up the game and firing them a few times, [[taunts]] can be freely previewed in the [[Mann Co. Store]], all the [[Cosmetic_item|cosmetic]] videos exist simply to show they can earn assists, and so on. Meanwhile, a great deal of achievements are rather specific or obtuse in how to actually earn them and would greatly benefit from a video demonstration. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 23:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
+{{Outdent|5}}There is no real refuting here, this is people giving their opinion. The issue is that, yeah, it's possible to do this on your own, but if you're going to have to make 520 videos you're going to give up at some point. As for Steam Achievement Manager, that's an outside program that may or may not be considered a cheat by Valve (at the very least, we don't wanna rely on this program to have to reset specific achievements). Weapons can be playtested, unless you don't have them. Taunts can be previewed in the store, except it doesn't show off M1/M2, and doesn't show off a full taunt (intro, loop, exit). Cosmetic demonstrations aren't being made anymore because they're all the same, so we scrapped them.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
+:SAM is moreso a debugging tool than a cheat. I'm certain most people use it to earn bugged achievements that wouldn't activate for them for whatever reason. That argument aside, I am more than willing to continue working on this project if given a greenlight, or in the case the greenlight only comes after a certain trust is built, I'd still be working on it until then. I'll provide updates, including more videos, more maps, thumbnails, etc. The only achievements I might need outside help with are the ones which require multiple Steam friends. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 00:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
+::It's not much of a debugging tool, but there are in-game features to reset achievements, too, which is what we would use instead. The Wiki being official means if we officially require people to use that program, it's a form of endorsement, which is not something we want. Many achievement demonstrations would also simply not be interesting or very hard to demonstrate (winning 142 rounds of a map, collect 1 million MvM credits/killing 1 million robots, destroying 100 enemy stickybombs with the Scottish Resistance). Some would also not be a proper demonstration: Winning a map without losing a control point on Hydro or winning a round of Well within 5 minutes would just consist of either regular gameplay or an empty server where you run on control points. The former is too much for a demonstration, and the latter is not demonstrating anything. Also note, this is the last message I'll leave here (but I will still watch the conversation) as I don't want the convo being stopped by a constant back-and-forth and possibly have people not engage in the conversation because of it.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 00:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
+:::I can see the rationale behind wanting to use the more 'official' means of resetting achievements, and I will aim to utilize that from now on. As far as whether or not an achievement is demonstrated ''"properly,"'' this is entirely subjective, as achievements can be earned in a variety of ways outside the intended/idealistic means; I merely wish to provide an example of the most basic methods which anyone can reliably follow. Whether or not a demonstration is ''"interesting"'' is also subjective. I appreciate the earnest provision of your viewpoints and criticisms, and I too shall disengage from this back-and-forth to allow more opinions to be shared. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 00:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
+:::: I really don't see the issue with using SAM or any other tool to lock/unlock the achievements as needed for the demo... The argument that we'd be endorsing it is quite absurd, this would be behind-the-scenes stuff.
+:::: That said, it is unreasonable to make over 500 videos and some achievements would be hard to demonstrate (progress ones, for example). I wouldn't be against making a "walkthrough" for some very specific achievements like the Merasmus TV one, but that wouldn't really fall under this project (it would just be an addition to the strategy page). — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] 17:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
+:[https://drive.google.com/drive/u/5/folders/1yN_aq-13yxwwgsZrs0LbnkKCk1f3YZfE I've updated] the Achievement Demonstrations folder with better organization and 50 more demonstrations! This took a little under 2 weeks. All newly-added demonstrations have been listed in '''''changelog.txt'''''. Feel free to give them a glance! (''Note: all future project updates will be addressed via the changelog until project completion.'') [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 21:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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-==I am coming for you, again!==
+== Update status on the Team Fortress Classis demonstration project ==
-After looking back on the other Demonstrations, I noticed some things out of placed or missing some stuff that would be useful in demonstration. For example, the KGB's could do with demonstrating the Crit Buff after the kill rather than just flashing the other Weapons for half a second. Also, Music was rather out of place, such as starting late (Notably in Fists of Steel and Wrench), though this isn't as big a problem. Irregardless, it might be a good idea to go over and polish the already performed Weapon Demonstrations. Before resuming work on the others. Better to do a full-assed job with half the work done than a half-assed job with all the work done. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 20:15, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
-:The music starting late is okay as long as it's only the backpack view that doesn't have any music. In the [[Fists of Steel]] and [[Wrangler]] case, the demo is ~1:03 long, while the longest training music is about a minute long, so it's normal that it starts a bit late. You're right about the KBG, and the backpack view isn't even correct (cursor isn't on the weapon slot when the video starts) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:30, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
-::To fully demonstrate the KGB's crit boost you'll have to spawn 5 bots and kill them all in a row, isn't that too crowded? :3 Namely, first goes the regular KGB kill, then a crit-boosted KGB kill, a critical shotgun kill, another regular KGB kill for one more boost and finally a minigun kill. You could probably bring this number down to 4 bots by firing the critical shotgun only once and at a healthier class like the heavy, but still. I'd ask Wind or Natemckn on the opinion on that one. - [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 23:13, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::Made an attempt to re-do the KGB demonstration http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2pGzniYpPs. Thought it would be better to post here than make a new section. [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 21:22, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::You're gonna hate this, but this doesn't follow the reloading guidelines D: (Shotgun isn't reloaded). Fix that, and it'll be all good~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 03:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVTPO1VzIww, http://www.mediafire.com/?4b8bkuha85oolz7 [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 23:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::::That's... the same, shotgun isn't reloaded. Reload it before switching away from it, that is all — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 01:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::Oh I thought you meant that the shotgun wasnt fully loaded. First vid only had 4/6 shells loaded when I first took the shotgun out so I thought thats what the problem was. Well, good thing I saved a script for all those bot placements. [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 02:36, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::Ok! Should be good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r6QCG0mjs8, http://www.mediafire.com/?94e643o29i78cxp [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 04:02, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::Sorry, it's all perfect, but there appears to be a quite noticeable audio glitch at 0:36 (crit sound during the fire Shotgun shot) D: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:37, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::::hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PprXXdfddJY, http://www.mediafire.com/?2sp2j83b4hw5jtk [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 20:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::::Very good, thank you :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:52, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
-I guess since the KGB is done with then, we can go back to discussing other demonstrations that need improvement. Specifically the Grenade Launcher. The current demonstration fails to show splash damage, juggling, and grenade jumping. Should the Demonstration be remade to include these? [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 06:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
-:Sure, feel free to move weapons from the "Done" section as long as you have a good reason to (and this is a good reason) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 08:07, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
-::Indeed. I've also noticed some Petty Issues such as the Ambassador Vid - The Camera does not return to First Person before the Vid finishes). Also, may I suggest for the Sapper Vid that you show the Buildings working properly (i.e. Teleporter transporting enemies or Sentry Gun targeting Team-mates) until they are Sapped, after which they are shown not to be functioning properly until an Engineer removes said Sappers. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 12:17, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
-:::Among other things with the Ambassador Demonstration, are that the player model preview isn't aligned correctly in the beginning, then is rotated. Also the viewmodel_fov is set too high.
-:::The Sapper demonstration itself seems like it should be a lot more complicated than it is. Other than what it shows now:
-:::*It could use what Lancer said about targeting team mates
-:::*Showing they can be broken by the Homewrecker
-:::*Showing how long sappers take to destroy buildings uninterrupted (questioning this one, might make the demo too long to demonstrate every level)
-:::*Showing sappers destroyed on teleporters get destroyed on both sides
-:::These are of course all questionable though as these could be demonstrated in the building demonstrations once they're made. [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 03:08, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
-::::Okay for all of those ("Showing sappers destroyed on teleporters get destroyed on both sides" is already demonstrated in the current video) except the "time to destroy buildings uninterrupted" things, because that is building-specific, thus better placed in the buildings demonstrations. Not sure about the Homewrecker; its demonstration does show that already, but I guess it's fine to demonstrate it here too... — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:48, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
-:::::Hmm, I guess the only real problem with the sapper demonstration then is what Lancer pointed out. Also I was going to try to re-do the Ambassador demonstration but when I was aiming at the bots their name plates were showing even as I was undisguised(not sure if its supposed to be like that), while in the current demonstration the name plates are off so I'm not quite sure on how I should re-do this. Anyway I took a shot at re-doing the Grenade Launcher, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nts40TxND6Q. [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 00:27, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
-::::::Is good! Let Wind decide. As for the Ambassador, the Plates were switched on in the Mann-conomy Update I believe, which means weapons such as L'etranger and Your Eternal Reward would display the Plate. I also think the Knife demonstration displays them too. It might just be best to go with it. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 00:34, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::That is good and pretty consistent with the Rocket Launcher demo. Please upload the original~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::http://www.mediafire.com/?hxsvbnp2f6uc16h [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 01:27, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
-:::::::::And I guess since we were on the topic of re-doing the Ambassador, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb5jEEC1AR8. And a FaN re-do as an extra bonus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJR1oxOBbGc. [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 07:24, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
-::::::::::Ambassador demo is good, please upload~ FaN demo is not, because:
-* The shooting part shouldn't always be maximum speed. From the looks of it, it looks like this weapon can only be fired in double-shot mode
-* It should demonstrate forcejumping vertically (the current one does), a lot of people don't know about it.
-— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:04, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
-:Ambassador, http://www.mediafire.com/?7z318fg4m5x944j FaN, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8kK6QV8n8s  [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 10:35, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-::And concerning a few other demonstrations:
-*I was wondering if the other spy weapons need to be redone considering that enemy name plates now always show?
-*If the Black Box/Direct Hit should be redone in a similar fashion to how I made the Rocket Launchers Demo, as in also showing RJing, juggling, reflection?
-*If any weapon that has a reflect-able projectile should be re-done to show that(although I'm more partial to keeping it to major reflect-able projectiles like rockets and grenades).
-*Although pretty minor, if the Ullapool Caber demo should be redone to show its explosive attack's splash damage?
-*If the Brass Beast demo really needs to be remade? Comparing the sound it makes in the current demonstration and what it sounds like now I really couldn't find a difference (If need be, I could re-make it very quickly though).
-* I guess I should re-make the Grenade Launcher demo again too...(forgot to show reflection!) [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 11:01, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-:::FaN is good, but the twitch-aiming when jumping is a bit confusing. Players need to know the angle they need to be shooting at in order to achieve maximum height or maximum horizontal flight, and twitch-aiming doesn't let them see that very well. You should keep looking at the angle at which you are going to shoot fur the duration of the jump, I think... Anyway, 2 other people have submitted FaN demos, so I opened a vote at the bottom of this page to determine the demonstration to use.
-* I don't think redoing Spy weapons is worth it just for the name plates... If you're up for it, sure, but that's really not major
-* Black Box / Direct Hit: Probably, yes
-* Again, if you're up for it
-* Ullapool Caber would be kind of hard to show. Would you need to keep looking downward all the time to show the damage numbers?
-* I haven't used the Brass Beast in-game so I don't know if there's actually new sounds, but the [[February 3, 2011 Patch]] does say "Updated sounds for the Brass Beast."
-* You may redo the Grenade Launcher demo, especially if you still have all the original video files for the other segments, so that it'll be quick
-What I'm worried about here is that there is many "retakes" while not all weapon demonstrations are done in the first place. It is better to focus on the weapons that have no demos at all before fixing minor things in the existing ones — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-:Yeah good point, I'll worry about all the minor things later then. I'll just work on the BB/DH for now then. Anyway here's the FaN http://www.mediafire.com/?8a7ve4rmr46rbml. Sorry about the twitch aim, happens naturally from playing so much competitive. [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 20:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-::Can you fix the twitch aiming anyway? From the vote below, it seems your demonstration is going to be selected, so it'd be nice if it didn't have it. It'll get in regardless, but if you're up to changing that, it'd be nicer — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:00, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-==Some general suggestions==
+Some of you here may remember when two years ago, a user by the name of [[User:Anonymus0|@Anonymus0]] decided to make a proposal about doing Weapon Demonstration videos about the Team Fortress Classic weapons. Although the wiki had no such infrastructure to support the newfound idea (Tfc demonstration maps, guidelines, rules etc.) the proposal still received mass support; thus prompting me, as well as a number of other editors, most notably [[User:Yossef|Yossef]], to collaborate together on turning this young idea into reality. However, despite some early success in recording, due to Yossef's family situation coupled with my vanning interest in the wiki, the project died down....up until now.
-I see that a large amount of users keep making the same mistakes, so I thought that it would be appropriate to outline these moments right on the project page to avoid further repetition:
-*You can make only the desired bot instead of all the bots fire his weapon by using the bot_forcefireweapon (weapon name) commmand.
-*You can spawn health kits and ammo boxes by using the ent_create (entity name, such as item_ammopack_small or item_healthkit_full) command. Credit for this one goes to [[User:I-ghost|I-ghost]].
-*You shouldn't rotate the model in the loadout screen when the recording is already running. I believe people keep makig this mistake because there's a phrase "Rotate the loadout preview to show off the weapon" in the instructions to the ''preparation'' for the recording.
-*Lastly, this is a bit of a stretch, but the behaviour of some weapons is affected by water. I'm alien to map-making, but if someone could expand the tr_target_weaponref map to include a small water basin, that would solve this problem without resorting to using other maps with water for the demonstration. The added length of the map with the basin would also be useful for demonstrating the sandman's maximum stun range. Just lenghtening the map and adding a body of water while keeping everything else untouched doesn't sound too hard, but then again, I have no experience in mapmaking, so I'm in no position to judge. :3 - [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 23:55, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
-:I've done a bit of mapmaking. I could probably remove the Fence behind the Target Range so you can run back there and get some distance. As for a Water Basin, that'll require Carving into the Floor of the Map and making sure you can leave the Basin as well so that'll be a bit more trickier. Altering the Map will not be an easy Task, but with proper time, tools, and patience, it can be done. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 14:28, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
-::{{c|Oppose}} I vote against map altering, all the videos have already been shot on a waterless map; one of the goals for these videos was consistency. Taking an excursion to a different map is good because it allows players to apply it to real play better - like the water in 2Fort of my Jarate video; the Jarate only gets washed off when you're totally submerged, not when you're knee deep. Or my Sandman video, it demonstrated the maximum range for the Sandman stun/Home Run kill whilst giving a good real world example - on 2Fort where that stun can only be achieved in the way I did it in the video (diagonal as opposed to straight on). And on a different note, I'll be writing a small guide on how to achieve a good quality recording and detailing the limitations of bots etc. - it'll be posted on my user page soon™, if I can ever figure out wiki markup. <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:I-ghost|I-ghost]] ([[User talk:I-ghost|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/I-ghost|contribs]]) </small>
-:::Does that mean that other weapons whose behaviour is heavily based on the distance to target (chargin targe, for example) are also being better to demonstrate on actual gameplay maps? - [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 00:08, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-:I'm fine with modifying the map (there's several places that are never seen on demonstration videos where new content can be added, like the doorway on the right of the starting point). The thing is, the map's source file has been given to me because I asked for it, and I am not sure if I am allowed to redistribute it (I asked but got no answer, so I'd rather not). As such, if any map altering needs to be done, it needs to be done by me — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 03:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-Continuing with suggesting suggestions, I think it would be quite handy to put up a section with a list of console commands useful for weapon demonstrations right on the project page, so that beginners won't have to browse a long and possibly incomplete list of commands on this wiki and other sites in search of the particular one they need. I believe our list should include at least the following: ''hurtme'', ''getpos'', ''setpos'', ''setang'', ''ent_create'' (for spawning medktis and ammo, as stated earlier), ''changelevel tr_target_weaponref'' (to quickly get rid of blood, bodies and bullet marks), ''mp_waitingforplayers_cancel 1'' (To get rid of the "Waiting for players" countdown. If this can be included into weaponref.cfg, all the better.), ''bot -class -team -name'', ''bot_teleport'', ''bot_mimic'', ''bot_forcefireweapon''. I'll add more when they come to my mind. :3 - [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 16:21, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-:The project page isn't locked, feel free to add to it (as long as it's in another section at the bottom or something) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-I've got some doubts againts the new edits, namely:
-:"''Note: If you want to perform scripting on bots with spaces in their names, you must create a separate config file containing instructions for that bot, which you then exec in the console.'"
-::I didn't quite understand that. Does it mean that bots with spaces in their names can't be controlled via the console? They can, as long as you wirte their names in quotation marks, like "Friendly Heavy 1".
-:::Not tested, but I'm pretty sure you're right — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:08, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
-:"''Similarly, you must use the mimic command to make Engineer bots rotate buildings.''"
-::I'm pretty sure that engineer bots can't build stuff, at least with the mimic command, let alone rotate it. Can someone recheck that please? — [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 20:01, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
-:::Oh, that they certainly can (see Sapper demo). Just use <code>bot_command Engineer "build 0 0"</code> (change the building ID correspondingly) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:08, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
-Some clarification:
-*"''Note: If you want to perform scripting on bots with spaces in their names, you must create a separate config file containing instructions for that bot, which you then exec in the console.'"
-**What I meant was, you can't alias or bind a bot action if the bot name has spaces (Source Engine cannot nest quotes). Sure, you can type it into the console every time, but when you need to automatically reset a scene on demand on a key press, it's not an option; especially when you have very complex scenes (see my invisibility watch demos). So instead of <code>alias action "bot_teleport Friendly Spy x y z x y z"</code>, you have to do <code>alias action "exec do_action.cfg", where do_action.cfg would contain "bot_teleport Friendly Spy x y z x y z"</code>, do you see?
-*"''Similarly, you must use the mimic command to make Engineer bots rotate buildings.''"
-**Bots can build stuff in two ways. You can perform the keystrokes whilst in mimic mode, or you can issue a <code>bot_command build # #</code>. In any case, you cannot get them to rotate using <code>bot_forceattack(2)</code>, you need to enable mimic whilst they have the toolbox ready, then press mouse2 yourself for however many times you want them to rotate it. It's tedious, but it's the only way. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 18:29, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
-== Erectin a Dispencer.mp4 ==
+Because now, I would like to announce that the first major hurdle in making Tfc demonstration weapons, namely that of getting a proper demonstration map, has been overcome! For that reason, I will present you 4 different demonstration maps that I had created.  Why 4, you may ask? Well I knew that as a very much novice map maker, I could not possibly make a good demonstration map from the first try; so I decided to make multiple different maps and ultimately let you, *the community*, collectively decide which of the presented maps should be used for demonstrations. This of course means that any criticism, praise, suggestions and comments about the upcoming maps is very much appreciated and wanted. It must also be noted that many of the maps shown here are not complete. In fact, this is a deliberate choice, as I first wanted to get community feedback about the overall layout and "feel" of the map, before decorating them with details and whatnot. Anyway, here are the maps:
-Dispenser is done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGDLIpa5mak [[User:Tryer|Tryer]] 22:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
+st map is called Wind_tunnel, and its demonstration video can be found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-JTrTQfCJY here]. 2nd map is called backup_final ''(keep in mind that these names are only temporary, the chosen map will be renamed into tr_lolim)'' and its demonstration video is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls2gSuL8UeA here]. 3rd map's name is tr_karma, which you can see [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmQq4fRJy4U here]. And finally, the 4th one is called tr_lol_test_tfc and can be found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJu0naNRJNc here].
+The maps are chronologically ordered, meaning that the first map ''Wind tunnel'' is oldest/earliest one that I created, while ''tr_lol'' is my final one. As you can see, ''Wind tunnel'' and ''Backup final'' are the most completed maps, featuring an outdoors obstacle course section, a pit, as well as a grenade testing range. However, the other two maps shouldn't be judged for their lack of such things, since the outdoors part can easily be copied from the other two and added on. Of much, '''much''' greater importance to me is knowing whether the main testing chamber/firing range, as well as the overall layout/architecture is of satisfactory enough quality to be used for a professional and official setting like the Team Fortress Wiki.  Further more, here are the wireframe overviews of some of the maps listed: [[File:User Lolimsogreat2 tfc1.png|15px]] (Wind Tunnel), [[File:User Lolimsogreat21 tfc2.png|15px]] (tr_karma), [[File:User Lolimsogreat21 tfc3.png|15px]] (tr_lol)
-If I'm gonna be nit-picky about hings, it would be the Camera Panning for instance when showing the Metal and Health Increase. It's unnatural Camera movement and looks kinda disturbing...Oh yeah, and you assigned no background Music. Use one of the <code>training_vid_*.mp3</code> Files in your TF2 VPK. Another thing is changing to RED Team. You can spawn Bots by using <code>bot -name <Class Name> -team blue -class <Class Name></code>. Finally, try and show all 3 levels as they give health and metal at higher rates on higher levels. I think those you'll need to work into a re-take. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 23:03, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
+Once again, I leave it up to the community to decide which of these maps is the most valuable one; or if my mapping skills are that bad, if none of them are worth while, in which case I will happily scrap all 4 maps and start over again. This time, hopefully, it wont take me 2 years to finish a new batch :D. As for download links, I didn't provide them since once again; the maps are not finished and are expected to undergo many revisions, both as I and the community see fit. However, if someone really wants to see/edit these early maps for themselves, they can contact me in private and I can provide both the .bsp and the .quark (the map making engine) file.
-Wow I am missing alot. Just to clear some other stuff up, the camera panning is to put emphasis on the ammo and health, red team was to heal the bots I damage. I guess ill remake it tomarrow. [[User:Tryer|Tryer]] 23:34, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
+Anyway, although the largest hurdle for this project has hopefully been overcome, there are still more technical problems that prevent me from just pumping out TFC demonstrations, they are as follows:
-:But the Camera Panning is non-natural movement and can be distracting. Besides, people know the Dispenser provides Health and Ammo. And as stated above, you can spawn BLU Bots to show healing. Especially since you can order RED to fire upon them and hurt them without you needing to spend any ammo or time on it. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 23:57, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
+* '''Lack of proper bot programs''': It is true that online, you can find many bot programs compactable with tfc, however none of them can be used for demonstration purposes. Namely, all of those programs are combat bots. The ones which move around and shoot you. Even worse, except for the command to spawn them and change their difficulty, they cannot be in anyway controlled or manually manipulated. I eventually took one of these programs and delved into its files, where I erased the waypoints the bots use to move around. This fixed the problem of them moving around, since now when they spawn, they get permanently locked into place. However they still lock on and target hostile bots and players, and they keep trying to "escape" their prison by constantly hopping in place. I'm contemplating picking up programming and simply creating a bot program myself, but that will certainly take time.
-:Alright, here are the things that are wrong for the video right now:
+* '''No damage indicators''': Tfc doesn't display any damage numbers when you damage someone. I haven't found any mods that seem to add them, meaning that the only way to know the damage you dealt is to use the console. However, I do not know could this be presented in a video format.
-* Engineer has 156 health? wtf?
-* Chat text during the first 6 seconds
-* No panning please, it looks unnatural and makes it look like the two phenomenons (ammo+health) are happening separately
-* Not following reloading guidelines at 1:03
-* No need to pan for the Soldier thingy
-* No taunting, the Dispenser has no taunt
-:Now, it also needs to demonstrates a lot of things:
-* Dispenser levels (upgrading)
-* Wrench'd building time vs non-Wrench's building time (same as Wrench demonstration)
-* Ability to move it
-* Metal meter mechanic
-* Ability for Spies to regen cloak and health from enemy dispensers
-* Abiltiy to take metal from other Engineer's dispensers
-* Difference between levels:
-** Health regen rate (do a 3-way split-screen)
-** Ammo regen rate, if it is different (not sure)
-** Metal regen rate (40 to 60 a sec), metal giving rate (40 to 60 per "serving")
-** Sapping time/number of rockets required to destroy (also split-screen)
-There's probably more, but that's all I can think of right now (And yes, that's a really long demo) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 03:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-:Don't fret, not everyone gets it right first time. Look at me! I'm still working on The Sandvich. Which reminds me... [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 14:44, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-::It certainly is hard D: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-the 156 health is because I did it in tf2 beta, My tf2 is too heavily modified. Should I just turn off the hud?
+That seems to be it. While I wait for community feedback, I will continue to try and find workarounds/fixes for these problems. Thank you for your attention :D! [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 09:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
-And could someone give me a link to the bot commands, Tricky things to find.
-As far I know camtasia does not support splitscreening different clips so that wont be happening unless I find a work around.
-Any tips would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Tryer|Tryer]] 20:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-:Get Vegas, it's what all the cool kids use these days. You can't do this in TF2 beta, and certainly don't turn off the HUD. What I would do if I were you would be to rename the tf folder to something like tf_mod. Start the game, which will create a virgin tf folder. Put the modifies stuff in there, and get some demos done. When you want to play with your modified TF2, rename "tf" to "tf_weapondemo" or something, and rename "tf_mod" back to "tf". This way you can easily swap between the two configs. Bot commands are [[Bots|here]] — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:36, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
-:: Thanks, I thought about doing that but couldn't remember the correct procedure. As far as Vegas is concerned, thats more torrents I don't need, my Fraps and Camtasia is already that. There are already videos demonstrating different healing rates, the best thing I can come up with is showing the trials 1 after the other. <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:Tryer|Tryer]] ([[User talk:Tryer|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Tryer|contribs]]) </small>
-:::Please do a split-screen to show the rates difference, seriously :( It's not that obvious when done sequentially (and makes this already-quite-long demo three times longer) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 01:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
-::::Iz not possible.  unless... [[User:Tryer|Tryer]] 01:29, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
-:Rather than create a new tf folder, you can put "-autoconfig" inside the game's launch options. It does the same thing, just saves you time and hard drive space.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] {{mod}} 01:51, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
-::Nope, that would delete all required files (map, config, and HudDamageAccount) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 02:01, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
-::You should be able to put all that stuff in a seperate cfg files and just type in console "exec wikistuff.cfg" to get there--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] {{mod}} 08:25, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
-:::You can't put maps or HUD files in a configuration file... not sure what you're talking about here D: What I'm saying is that demonstrations need 3 custom files in the tf folder, and that -autoconfig would clear those files. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:48, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
-== Rocket Launcher (redone) ==
+:I'm not going to lie, this project has been entirely stagnant so there's clearly not much interest from anyone actually involved in the project. It's easy to say "yeah this is a great idea", but then when it comes to actually doing it, others have to figure it out. The maps were the least of our worries, as they can be made easily, and definitely not the biggest hurdle. The bots and damage numbers will most likely require game modification to work, or at least a good knowledge of the game (for the bots). Otherwise, it'll always have to be two people, which requires servers too. This just seems like way too much work to figure it out, so I think if this hasn't been solved in 3 months I might just indefinitely shut it down.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
-Here's my attempt at re-doing the RL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtQTfeUg_sQ. I feel that my juggling demonstration might have room for improvement so any suggestions would be appreciated. Unless its all good I can have it uploaded right away. [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 06:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
+::As fascinating as it is, and the work is appreciated, I feel as if it's just far too much work from a recording an editing standpoint, especially without damage numbers and everything that TF2 has its gonna be pretty hard to record any sort of demonstration unless you go through the whole process of manually adding numbers to the video to indicate damage. Unfortunately I don't believe most would be able to cope with all that work. <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 13:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
-: Looks good, except i think you should include Pyros deflecting some rockets, showing that they deal mini-crits to the player AND that Pyros can airblast. - [[User:Yackemflam|Yack]] [[File:RED_Le_Party_Phantom.png|24px|link=User_talk:Yackemflam]] 06:42, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
-:What Yackemflam said. Also, this doesn't follow the reloading guidelines on multiple occasions (only reload when out of rockets and at the end of the video before taunting)~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 08:07, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
-::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOSXwm852R4, took care of both those issues. Should be good? [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 10:38, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
-:::Still need to reload at 0:40, and then it'll be perfect — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
-::::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EHP-OWZqI8, http://www.mediafire.com/?dfjka84vn1yxq46 reload thing always gets me ´_ゝ` [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 02:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
-:::::Thanks, this is good :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:52, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
-== Mad Milk (redone) ==
+:::I can see that the general outlook on this project is quite pessimistic, which I can understand perfectly. However, there have been more developments that I've made this week, which could bring this proposal one more step closer to realization. Namely, the [https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Foxbot Foxbot] bot program, which almost certainly isn't intended for the purposes I'm trying to shoehorn it into, is actually quite a bit more flexible then I initially thought and reported to you. Turns out that with some careful and delicate usage of the waypoint system, it is possible to (crudely) manipulate and somewhat exert control over the bots. Couple this with the skilfull usage of something called ''waypoint tags'', and I managed to actually bug out the bot's navigation, to the point where they become completely docile and unmoving, ready to be used for demonstration purposes. Finally, the command {{code|botsdontshoot}} ensures that they won't target me, allowing me to even control the direction they are facing.  While this setup cannot be saved, meaning that every time I load a map I need to do the whole procedure again, it works perfectly and looks something like [https://youtu.be/4aBWMRW6rHo this]
-Seeing as the MM got reserved over a week ago and hasn't been done yet I decided to take a shot at it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E2mm6OMU5U. I wasn't sure whether or not I should have taunted at the reflection section, but I did to better show that reflected milk can be self inflicted. [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 07:29, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
+:::Only minor issue still remaining is that when the bots get killed, they will respawn back into their "unbugged" state and start jumping and moving about. Since the command {{code|mp_respawn_time}} doesn't work, and there is no way to stop them from respawning, I simply solved the issue by disabling chat messages and then binding one of my keys to the kick command and immediately kicking the bot upon death; if I'm fast enough they wont even get to respawn. (In the video they did, hence the loud obnoxious sound in the background). Finally, the Foxbots have a couple of tricks up their sleeves over their tf2 counterparts, namely the {{code|botcam}} command, which allows me to see from the pov of the bots, which could be immensely useful in demonstrations, but I've yet to do extensive testing on it.
-:Not bad for a first try, but still some things to modify:
-* Slow down when shooting in part 1, to let the viewer properly connect the shot with the health gain.
-* Don't taunt with the bat; if you want to show that the player is covered in milk, use the thirdperson command instead of taunting.
-* Move closer to the Spy, the droplets are hard to see from this distance
-— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:04, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
-:Take 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS4Y1VQRJqA [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 10:35, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-::This is good, please upload :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-:::http://www.mediafire.com/?3t2she3kx95pi5k [[User:Garticuno|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#ff66cc">~Garticuno♥</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Garticuno|(talk)]]</sub> 20:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-== Re-doing of Force-a-Nature ==
+:::I consider the bot issue solved, leaving only the damage numbers remaining, however things got complicated here. Turns out, I was wrong in believing that the console shows damage received by other players, or if it does, I don't know how to get it do that. This not only means that there are no damage numbers shown during the actual testing, but there is no record kept of the damage another player received at a given moment, from which damage numbers could then be extrapolated and edited in during the post production. This is actually fine for most weapons. There is no damage falloff in tfc, meaning that a single shot from, say the nailgun, will always do the exact amount of damage at all ranges. Meaning that as long as all shots hit their target, I can simply count the amount of ammo a weapon consumed and then add in damage numbers. The real trouble makers are the Shotguns and the Assault gun, who fire multiple pellets/buletts per single ammo, and have a wide spread, making it impossible to know the exact damage dealt unless at extremely close ranges, where every shot is expected to connect. I'll still looking for a solution to this, so wish me luck. [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 22:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
-Here's my re-doing of FaN demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e58Voo6bbSc. It's my first Weapon Demonstration so please tell me if it needs improvement. I've basically done the same things as the guy on the original video except that I've taunted in the more lighted spot. [[User:Your Enemy|Your Enemy]] 20:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
+::::This sounds like a ton of effort, and definitely not worth it nor easy to get into for the average person. It's possible, but having to rely on the bots being bugged out and having to do this every single time to do something. This is just too much effort, unless it can be done easily I don't see much of a point.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
-:Alright~
-* Demo goes a bit fast: Take your time between things
-* When demonstrating jumps, should include both non-FaN and FaN versions for comparison
-* You can go much higher than that with a forcejump (aim higher)
-* Try to increase the framerate a liiiiiittle bit. This one is a tiny bit choppy. If you can't, cheat by using interpolation or merged frames, it should look fine
-* Music is a bit loud (can't really hear the Scout when he says "That's what I'm talkin about")
-Thanks~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
-:Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dTZAncXNNM, I hope it's OK now. It took me a while to figure out how to forcejump higher. [[User:Your Enemy|Your Enemy]] 18:02, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-::Yes, that's OK, except the framerate that is a bit choppy. Sadly, 2 other people have made a FaN demonstration at the same time as you, so I opened a vote at the end of this page to vote between them — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-== Ambassador, FaN, and Natashcha Demonstrations ==
+::::: Well If ease of demonstration is such a problem, there might be a way to remedy it quite easily. Checking out the [https://apg-clan.org/vbdownloads.php?do=download&downloadid=980/ Foxbot download site], it seems that a {{code|botdontmove}} command, which is something that would drastically cut down on the setup process, is actually on the developer's to-do list. And since the last update to foxbot came out in July of this year, it isn't out of the question that the next update could also arrive relatively soon, at least sooner then your 3 month deadline... However, in my opinion, there is no reason to wait any further. I have the maps, I have the (semi-functioning) bots and I can demonstrate 12 out of the 19 weapons (not counting the grenades) by simply guessing the damage numbers with reasonable accuracy. So unless someone gets any army of alternative accounts, or multiple players are willing to come together for a demonstration (which clearly won't happen and is very expensive), then this is the way the cookie will crumble. [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 11:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
-Natascha: http://blip.tv/file/4728518
+::::::Unforutnately, the way the cookie will crumble is the project being scrapped. Damage numbers are is the biggest thing to show here, if they're based on a guess and not going to be natively supported, the project will just be scrapped instead. The reason to wait is because the whole purpose of these videos is to show off the weapons, if you can't show off the damage properly with damage numbers that are entirely accurate instead of a "guess with reasonable accuracy" then we're not doing it yet. Even if you know the damage entirely, having to individually add these for each weapon is way too much effort.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
-Force-A-Nature: http://blip.tv/file/4728485
-Ambassador: http://blip.tv/file/4728228
-Download: http://www.mediafire.com/?rptb8ck1osb5aqa Hopefully most, if not all, goes well. Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 13:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
+::::::: Alright alright, I can see that I didn't express myself clearly enough/forgot to say something important, so forgive me please. Namely, there is ''a way'' to see how much damage you've dealt someone in tfc, and that is to hop into the spectator team and hover over other players, which will display their armour and health. So in theoryyyyy (say when demonstrating the shotgun); you can pop one shot into the opponent, hop into spectator and see how much health is left and then go back to blue team, use some kind of autoclicker/script in order to return to the same mouse position, and repeat the whole process again. Afterwards, you can simply cut out the whole "you checking the bots' health" in order to make it appear as if the shotgun was firing continuously, and use the knowledge to add in damage numbers (simply extrapolate the damage by seeing how much of bot's health was left in every incriment of firing from their base health). Is this very difficult to do, yes. But like all the other things in this project, what matters is that it's possible, atleast to me. Now, is this a genuine and native demonstration? No. Does it involve pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes? Yes. But judging from the talk at demonstration for [[Team Fortress Wiki talk:Weapon Demonstration#Chemistry Set|Chemistry set]], it seems that the wiki is fine with using illusions in order to make something appear to happen rather then actually happen. So I see no problem with it.
-:Alright~
-* Natascha: The important part about Natascha is the slowdown effect it has, which is not demonstrated in this video
-* Force-A-Nature: Doesn't really show exactly how far and how high you can go with the weapon. 2 other people have made a FaN demonstration at the same time as you, so I opened a vote at the end of this page to vote between them. You can see big forcejumps in one of them
-* Ambassador: I'm sorry, but this one has already been done (and with link just earlier today) :( Yours isn't bad, except that it shoots 6 bullets at the target at the back (1 is enough)
-— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-== Force-A-Nature demonstration vote ==
+:::::::Anyway, here is the prototype of the first Nailgun demonstration, damage numbers and all included. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6M8yjxNdOU] [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 20:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
-It's that time again, where 3 people have done a demonstration for the same weapon. Please vote for whichever you think is the best~
-* Entry 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8kK6QV8n8s by [[User:Garticuno|Garticuno]]. Advantages: Smooth framerate, shows everything; Disadvantages: Uses twitch-aiming for forcejumping
-* Entry 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dTZAncXNNM by [[User:Your Enemy|Your Enemy]]. Advantages: Shows almost everything; Disadvantages: Choppy framerate, doesn't show comparison for the same jumps
-* Entry 3: http://blip.tv/file/4728485 by [[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]]. Advantages: Okay framerate; Disadvantages: Audio/video off-sync, doesn't show full potential of forcejumps
-Please vote~ Everyone may update their video right now to address their Disadvantages too. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-: My vote goes to '''Entry 1'''. Entry 2 fires at the target from on top of the crates and doesn't show that the Scout can make those jumps with out the FaN.  Entry 3 is desync-ed from everything, and it's a little sloppy. [[Image:TF2_crosshair.png|20px]] [[User:Fendermcbender|Fendermcbender]] 18:54, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
+{{Outdent|8}}There's a difference between "pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes" to save on costs, and having to manually add in each damage number, move each of them, and do that for every single time there's damage. The font and music don't really match up, as they're both meant for TF2. As much as I'd like this to succeed, having to (after EVERY shot) hop into spectator to find out how much damage was done and writing it down to then edit it is too much effort. Even if something ''is'' possible, like I've mentioned a few times, if it requires as much tedious work as having to shoot once, go to spectator, view health, note down health, return back to position, and repeat it's just not worth it. We've seen this with cosmetic items that had Pyroland assists, no one wants to do them, it piles up, and eventually we just scrapped them entirely.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
-: '''Entry 1''' is the best. A little bit of twitch is better than desynch, and better framerate than 2, and it's just generally better than 3 [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 19:11, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-: {{c|support}} '''Entry 1''' Smoothest frame rate, shows pretty much everything and the only problem is the twitch aiming, which isn't so bad compared with the faults of the other two. It really isn't much of a problem anyway. [[File:User ScatmanJohn Logo.png|25px]][[User:Scatmanjohn|<b><sup>Scatman</sup> <sub>John</sub></b>]][[File:User Scatmanjohn Jr bob dobbs.png|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Scatmanjohn|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Scatmanjohn|Contrib]])</small> 19:13, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-:'''Entry 1''' definitely. Buttery smooth framerate, good editing. [[User:GeminiViRiS|<font color="green" size="2px">GeminiViRiS</font>]] [[Image:User GeminiViRiS Doubleface.jpg|20px]] [[User_talk:GeminiViRiS|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/GeminiViRiS|Contribs]] 19:16, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-: '''Entry 1''' is the best option. Twitching isn't as annoying as desynchs or framerate from other videos. Despite that twitching evrything is ok in this video, so why not choosing it? --[[User:Parseus|<font color="#000080"><tt><big><b>'''Parseus'''</b></big></tt></font>]] ([[User talk:Parseus|<tt>talk</tt>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Parseus|<tt>contrib</tt>]]) 19:17, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
-: I go with '''Entry 1'''. very smooth [[User:Awesomesauce|~awesomesauce~]] 19:39, 6 February 2011 (UTC)Awesomesauce
-== Telefrag demo ==
+== Timestamps on all videos ==
+As the name suggests I'm interested in providing new/updated timestamps for the majority of the existing wiki videos where it may be applicable, as well as making any new ones when new videos get uploaded. I would create a doc with all videos listed along with timestamps written down for each of them. <br>-- [[User:Nemesis07|Nemesis07]] ([[User talk:Nemesis07|talk]]) 23:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
+:Timestamps could be good. However, the weapon demonstration videos don't really have a structured order so it could be tedious to make timestamps for those videos. I only added them to some videos like the medic mvm shield · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 03:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
+::I sorta agree with Ashe. I don't think timestamps are really necessary for most videos. The majority of demonstrations are really short (2:00 or less in most cases) so I don't think there would be a big benefit to timestamps for every single segment. Seems like more work than it would be worth for most demonstrations. [[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Mediarch'''}}]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[User talk:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Talk'''}}]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''My Edits'''}}]] 14:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
-Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcCFMDMLPUY, short and simple. Tell me if I missed something. [[User:Your Enemy|Your Enemy]] 21:14, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
+== Getting existing playlists up-to-date and adding new ones ==
+Currently the channel only has a couple of playlists that doesn't include all of the videos, I'm interested in helping create additional playlists for all of the videos to potentially make it easier to find certain videos. <br>-- [[User:Nemesis07|Nemesis07]] ([[User talk:Nemesis07|talk]]) 23:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
+:People dont' really use playlists, and the ones that currently exist are for group of "unique" videos. Making a playlist for all the weapons or per-class wouldn't make sense · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 03:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

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