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| − | == The Wrench == | + | == No mention of the voice lines? == |
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| − | I've never heard of this weapon. i'm guessing it's fake. [[User:Darkman 4|Darkman 4]] 01:02, 2 July 2010 (UTC) | + | If a player kills someone else with the Golden Wrench, the engineer will say 1 of 3 voice lines, unique to the Golden Wrench. I noticed this is missing from the page. Shouldn't this have a mention somewhere? [[User:CoolJosh3k|CoolJosh3k]] ([[User talk:CoolJosh3k|talk]]) 14:35, 14 December 2013 (PST) |
| − | :Nevermind, its legit. [[User:Darkman 4|Darkman 4]] 01:03, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
| + | :Lots of items have unique voice lines on kill. It'll be noted on the page for that class' responses.--'''[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]]''' 14:44, 14 December 2013 (PST) |
| − | :: This is all only speculation, I'll clean it up. -[[User:Firestorm|<font color=#FF6600><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></font>]] 01:04, 2 July 2010 (UTC) | |
| − | ::: Heh, a VMT file. Time to fire up the model viewer. [[User:Vi3trice|Vi3trice]] 01:06, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | SPUF at it again? [[User:Delicious cake|Delicious cake]] 01:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
| + | == About Golden Wrench and Australium Wrench == |
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| − | : Oh oh oh, it looks pretty.
| + | Should we add "Not to be confused with [[Wrench|Australium Wrench]]" to the page? There is no Australium Wrech page, as the Australium variant is shown on the Gallery of the Wrench page. [[User:Gabrielwoj|Gabrielwoj]] ([[User talk:Gabrielwoj|talk]]) 21:22, 7 May 2014 (PDT) |
| − | | + | :If you try to search Australium Wrench, it goes to the Wrench page. And if they actually got this mixed up with the Australium one... well they may have issues. I don't see why we would need to honestly. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 21:51, 7 May 2014 (PDT) |
| − | http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/Vi3trice/Gold2.png
| + | :: I don't even know why valve made the Australium Wrench in the first place. But thanks for the reply. [[User:Gabrielwoj|Gabrielwoj]] ([[User talk:Gabrielwoj|talk]]) 07:18, 8 May 2014 (PDT) |
| − | | + | ::: P.S.: Shouldn't the info box have the "| item-flags" for (Not Tradable)? I know it's already mentioning above its tradabillity, but the [[Saxxy]] has the (Not Tradable) on the Loadout Stats. [[User:Gabrielwoj|Gabrielwoj]] ([[User talk:Gabrielwoj|talk]]) 07:20, 8 May 2014 (PDT) |
| − | [[User:Vi3trice|Vi3trice]] 01:18, 2 July 2010 (UTC) | + | :::: Fixed it. And I'd say it's because that's the Engi's signature weapon which isn't a building. Stock reskin variants (Festive, Botkiller, and now Aussie) seem to be based on classes' signature weapons. But that's just my rationalisation. - [[User:Davo|<span style="color:#172911;font-size:14px"><b>Davo</b></span>]] ([[User_talk:Davo|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Davo|Contribs]]) 07:24, 8 May 2014 (PDT) |
| − | | + | :::::Thank you for the fix :-) [[User:Gabrielwoj|Gabrielwoj]] ([[User talk:Gabrielwoj|talk]]) 19:30, 8 May 2014 (PDT) |
| − | ::I swear I'll rage if this is another service medal... [[User:Delicious cake|Delicious cake]] 01:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: It looks like it is, considering the line: "TF_HUD_Event_GoldenWrench_C" "%s1 has found Golden Wrench no. %s2!" | |
| − | ::: This means they are going to be numbered. They might simply be rare. I guess we'll find out soon. -[[User:Firestorm|<font color=#FF6600><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></font>]] 01:27, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Soon enough, I hope. I'm sleepy. Also SPUF is a mess right now. [[User:Delicious cake|Delicious cake]] 01:31, 2 July 2010 (UTC) | |
| − | ::::Also "TF_HUD_Event_GoldenWrench_D" "%s1 has destroyed Golden Wrench no. %s2!", which implies that you can actually lose it. Thus I suppose it will be re-obtainable somehow (OMG trading system?) — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 01:41, 2 July 2010 (UTC) | |
| − | :::::Nah, every weapon and item can be destroyed, I think. [[User:Delicious cake|Delicious cake]] 01:44, 2 July 2010 (UTC) | |
| − | ::::::Yes, but it's not normally printed in chat.--[[User:Woof|Woof]] 01:45, 2 July 2010 (UTC) | |
| − | ::::::: I don't recall there being an actual MESSAGE for them though. -[[User:Firestorm|<font color=#FF6600><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></font>]] 01:45, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::: [http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/Vi3trice/Gold3.png Another image]. About the thing ending up broken, I guess you gotta be SOL. [[User:Vi3trice|Vi3trice]] 01:47, 2 July 2010 (UTC) | |
| − | Valve could just be trolling us, tho. [[User:Delicious cake|Delicious cake]] 01:53, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : Then they're doing a pretty good job. [[User:Vi3trice|Vi3trice]] 01:53, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: Is it a reskin or a shiny new model? [[User:Delicious cake|Delicious cake]] 01:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: Reskin. Annnd this is just in, one of the UI HUD files that were added in the update seems to hint toward a gamemode. Man with the Golden Wrench? [[User:Vi3trice|Vi3trice]] 01:57, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Can be Found ==
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| − | Check out the golden wrench at [http://www.tf2items.com/allitems.php tf2items.net] with extended mode enabled.
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| − | "Can be found = yes".
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| − | It can be found through the drop system! -[[User:Firestorm|<font color=#FF6600><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></font>]] 01:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :So this leaves two options: Either Valve is trolling us and it's an engi update weapon, or Valve is double-trolling us and they'll change the weapon attributes later/inb4 service medal. [[User:Delicious cake|Delicious cake]] 02:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::At this point on, we should have gotten used used to it. We always end up trolled. [[User:Vi3trice|Vi3trice]] 02:02, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::OR: Maybe the drop system will be changed to drop Golden Wrenches only with a 100% chance of getting one, for a limited time. So it would be like the service medal, but you'll have to be in-game to get it. [[User:Delicious cake|Delicious cake]] 02:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::: Never mind that: http://www.tf2items.com/allitems.php?d=1 . Value "150" is mysterious. [[User:Vi3trice|Vi3trice]] 02:06, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::: You can craft it with an engineer token: http://www.tf2items.com/crafting/blueprints.php. Too bad there's no way to get one right now. [[User:Delicious cake|Delicious cake]] 02:13, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::: Not to asume anything but perhaps the [1=150] is infact the chance of the item being the gold-wrench per-drop?:. [[User:Hyenadip|Hyenadip]]
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| − | ::::: No, the 150 = 1 means that attribute 150 (Probably the "turn enemy into gold") Is activated. Check out some of the other items -[[User:Firestorm|<font color=#FF6600><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></font>]] 03:44, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::: Valve's probably keeping an eye on SPUF and this page and laughing as we try to figure this out... They'll probably give us another clue tomorrow or something! [[User:Delicious cake|Delicious cake]] 03:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I'm pretty sure this won't be a new Gentlemanne's Service Medal. One, because it's a weapon and not a hat/misc., two because of the "destroyed message", and three, because it will probably have gameplay-changing impacts (for example, picking up the golden statue gives them their max number of HP as Metal? That would make sense, though it would encourage Engineers to go wrench-fu kamikaze more often, which often ends in disaster.) — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 15:12, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :So maybe it's a weapon can only be used in that assumed "Man with the Golden Wrench" gamemode, the numbers having something to do with score or something? I'm thinking of CS:S gungame as I'm writing this. [[User:Delicious cake|Delicious cake]] 15:19, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Coded Message source? ==
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| − | Where does one find this coded message in the wild?--[[User:RJackson|RJackson]] 02:27, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :If you use GCFScape, look for "/materials/hud/d_images_v2" in the game data .gcf's. [[User:CarlZalph|CarlZalph]] 03:41, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::We're getting trolled from two sides here. Double-trolling... Sounds dirty. — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 04:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Valve. ==
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| − | Oh wow. This is epic. Nice find guys. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 08:36, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Popular! ==
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| − | Woah. This is officially the second most viewed page on the wiki, second only to the Main Page. The POWER of the CURIOUS. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 10:44, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :As the Heavy would say = Not big surprise. [[User:OluapPlayer|OluapPlayer]] 10:59, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: Engy: "Well don't that beat all?" [[User:Vi3trice|Vi3trice]] 11:08, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Something... ==
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| − | So the unoficcial (and maybe fake) engi weapons are:
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| − | New Shotty
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| − | Octo-gun
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| − | Golden wrench (waaaaaaaaant)
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| − | anything else???? [[User:OllyTheMann|OllyTheMann]] 17:39, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :We ain't heard of no octo-gun 'round these parts, pardner. — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 17:41, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=4057666 [[User:OllyTheMann|OllyTheMann]] 18:12, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: Then enlighten me D: — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 18:14, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::[http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=4057719 Objection!] [[User:Infi^|Infi^]] 18:31, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == It's Australium alright. ==
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| − | I'm pretty damn sure it's actually made of Australium. I mean, the day it's released a comic comes out showing a metal very similar to gold, I don't think it's a coincidence. --[[User:Jojje|Jojje]] 17:51, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I concur. — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 17:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::TRIVIA ADD! -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 17:53, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Aye, as I've been saying to the people I've been talking to about the story. It seems rather obvious. [[Australium]] has the power to transform and adapt into different forms and states. So if this wrench is indeed made from that element, it would make sense that it is transforming flesh into it's seemingly default gold like nature. Kind of creepy and Midas like. [[User:Infi^|Infi^]] 18:34, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Item description points toward it as well. "Imbued with an ancient power"? That sounds like Australium to me, mate. [[User:Vi3trice|Vi3trice]] 18:42, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == I Really Never Knew My Video Would Be THIS Popular ==
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| − | Really, my video got 30,000 views in less than a day, which is 8,000 more than my Super Smash Flash 2 v0.5b Gameplay video, which was up for almost a year now. [[User:AbeX300|AbeX300]] 19:13, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :The beauty of this wiki. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 19:14, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Itʻs also the beauty of being one of the first to make a video heh. Might also be worth noting that you can test out the "turn to gold" attribute, using the [http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=115100 TF2items] plugin for Sourcemod. Instead of copying over files etc. Then again, itʻs only easier if youʻre a server owner I suppose. [[User:Benjamuffin|Benjamuffin]] 19:49, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Unfortunately, I tried copying the attribute to other weapons. Didn't work. Odd. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 19:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Yeah, I noticed that too. I guess itʻs hard coded to the wrench. I was looking forward to using it on the Sniper Rifle. [[User:Benjamuffin|Benjamuffin]] 21:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | In messing around with the golden wrench on the practice game, it feels like a noticeable difference in two aspects.
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| − | (Note: "Feels", I don't have any numbers to back this up, and it could just be my game edged on one side of the damage range in a weird way.)
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| − | Anyway...
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| − | It seemed like I was taking extra damage from pyros, but destroying enemy enemy buildings was a super-easy. (Talking homewrecker speed to take down enemy buildings.) <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:Starfyredragon|Starfyredragon]] ([[User talk:Starfyredragon|talk]]) • [[Special:Contributions/Starfyredragon|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | :No stats are different. It's just your odd receptors. Please remember to sign your comments on talk pages with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 20:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Sorry. Here's my sig now. [[User:Starfyredragon|Starfyredragon]]
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| − | Also noticed that buildings DON'T turn to gold, although only got the chance to test on tele exit (didn't get close enough to test on other buildings.) <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:Starfyredragon|Starfyredragon]] ([[User talk:Starfyredragon|talk]]) • [[Special:Contributions/Starfyredragon|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | :It says corpses. Please remember to sign your comments on talk pages with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 21:02, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I did sign, just in the middle. Sorry for confusion, I'm forgetful with signatures on most wikis. ^^; Bad habit, I know. [[User:Starfyredragon|Starfyredragon]] 21:08, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Although so far it seems just an amusing re-color for the wrench with an additional death effect. That's not unlock worthy... possibly no stats for it in system yet? [[User:Starfyredragon|Starfyredragon]] 21:11, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :That's all it is. It's not an unlock, it's a troll. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 21:12, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Seems like an aweful lot of work for a troll - the work of turning people to gold part, I mean, not the reskin (I saw in my game occasionally enemies when hit would fall to the ground, and hit like they had been turned to gold, although it wasn't reliable. People thought the Jarate was a troll as well. I personally think we're getting to see an item that will be released, but we only get to see its visuals, not its stats. I shall also speculate that the final model will change somewhat (since, at the moment, it's really just a skin). [[User:Starfyredragon|Starfyredragon]] 21:23, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : Although I have to toot my own horn... I totally called and came up with a golden wrench idea long long long ago. I'm totally looking forward to having a shiny version of this weapon! ^_^ (see post three: [http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1155374]) [[User:Starfyredragon|Starfyredragon]] 21:36, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: As much as Iʻd love to believe that, gold reskins are pretty common to the point of people finding them unoriginal now. So any number of people have probably made a Golden Wrench. [[User:Benjamuffin|Benjamuffin]] 21:53, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: Think again. [http://www.falconarmy.com/shed/index.php#bpda]. In the forums, they got people submitting their ideas to a stickied thread, which when then compiled in the site I just linked to. Search the word "Gold". You'll only find it once, it's from me, and specifically the improved version of the golden wrench I sent to them a bit later. *User starfyredragon does a little dance* [[User:Starfyredragon|Starfyredragon]] 22:02, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::An idea thread isn't exactly the best place... Just look at any places where you can find actual customization, not ideas, and you'll find plenty of golden weapons. It's actually cliche, heh. [[User:Vi3trice|Vi3trice]] 22:08, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::Possibly true (I will assume it is despite lack of link to any such customization), but I would assume those gold customizations are reskins without actually making the weapons act 'goldlike', and more for just visual effect. What I suggest in my idea on the thread is the effects a weapon made of gold would have (heavier, generally less effective, but also generally more carefully crafted and so allows for more finesse, etc.) Also, I'll point out that Valve has made note of, in the past, that they pull some ideas from the forums. And in the engineer sticky idea thread, mine is the only golden weapon at the point the update was released. So my point stands, and I get to keep my happy dance. ^_^ *Starfyredragon dances while singing 'shiny gold wrench shiny gold wrench' and giggling like a happy schoolgirl* [[User:Starfyredragon|Starfyredragon]] 22:14, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::: I just think, to claim the idea as yours when there are so many other possible authors (including Valve themselves) is a little forward. [[User:Benjamuffin|Benjamuffin]] 22:18, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::: Also, you wanted examples of the constantly done gold customization? Hereʻs a Golden Wrench made 5 months ago [http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/83987 Golden Wrench Skin] [[User:Benjamuffin|Benjamuffin]] 22:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::: To claim an idea as my own when I demonstratively came up with it? No, I consider that quite reasonable. I won't deny its possible for someone else to come up with the same idea independently, but I can rightly claim I came up with the idea, have demonstrated in the area I was in that I was the only one that came up with it at the time within the sphere of influence I was interacting with. The thread was stickied by valve admins, that's the thread I submitted it to, and in that thread, mine is the only one that suggests a gold wrench. And valve had mentioned they were looking in the forums for ideas. I have every right to claim I came up with the idea, as mine was the only golden wrench in an area where valve said they were looking for ideas, so quit trying to rain on my parade, I brought an umbrella. ^_^ *continues happy dance* Besides, last time Valve pulled an idea from the forums and multiple people were the source for the idea, as I understand it, everyone who was an idea source got shiny weapons. So I'm not saying others won't get a shiny weapon, just saying I'll probably be among the ones that do. [[User:Starfyredragon|Starfyredragon]] 22:28, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::: That's a sweet skin that guy made. I suspect he's dancing about as much as I am, expecting a Shiny Wrench as well. [[User:Starfyredragon|Starfyredragon]] 22:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::: The huge defensive paragraph wasnʻt necessary. We are civil people here and I pushed no venom into my response. If they chose your idea, then so be it. And if they chose multiple peoples idea, then so be that too. My issue is, for all we know, they came up with it themselves, so while you DID indeed also come up with the same idea, I just took issue with you posting here claiming to be itʻs author. "Although I have to toot my own horn... I totally called and came up with the golden wrench idea..." The way you put it implied this, especially as this is a wiki, a place for documenting fact on a subject. Thereʻs no certainty that itʻs even a community weapon. However if it is, and if they give you some form of reward, then more power to you, and well done etc :). [[User:Benjamuffin|Benjamuffin]] 22:40, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::::: Okay. It's really just my point that I actually sent them this idea via forums back in March (which is, obviously a fact, so I can put it up here.). I really hope the golden wrench idea is a compilation of several people's ideas, so multiple people can get shiny golden wrenches. My hope is that they give one to me, anyone who emailed them a golden wrench idea prior (or similarly sent them the idea), people who did the skins, and the people who cracked that awesome mystery they put together. Although my original post said 'a' golden wrench idea. (Although it shows that got changed somewhere along the line, I'm changing it back.)
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| − | :::::::::: Fair enough. Also that correction was my bad. I accidentally removed a bunch of letters out of your sentence when copying it to quote, so rewrote the missing bit. It was only about 5-6 letters, so I guess I got the word wrong (though either way it seems the meaning is the same). [[User:Benjamuffin|Benjamuffin]] 23:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::::Frankly, that's a lot of text just to say that you had an idea about a golden wrench and want a part of it too. [[User:Vi3trice|Vi3trice]] 23:24, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::::: Indeed. You also forgot to sign your post again Starfyredragon.[[User:Benjamuffin|Benjamuffin]] 23:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::::: It wasn't originally, it just kinda turned into a conversation. And when you get me talking, I can be a very wordy person ^^; (And Saying I came up with 'a golden wrench idea' is different than saying I came up with 'the golden wrench idea'. It's like the difference of saying "I created ''a'' net" (such as the one I put together in my home) v.s. saying "I created ''the'' net" (which would indicate the one we all use and love everyday of our lives). I may or may not have been part of the inspiration for valve's golden wrench. I frankly have no clue. All I know is that I tried to inspire them to make a golden wrench, and they made a golden wrench, and that makes me happy. And knowing the Valve guys and their apparent good nature (except when it comes to randomly firing their employees or turning them into leather hats as some blog posts would indicate), I suspect even if my idea wasn't an inspiration for their idea at all in anyway and they somehow never saw my posts in their stickied thread, if I point out I tried to send them a golden wrench idea and show them the links, they'll probably let me have a shiny golden wrench. (And probably tell me whether it was just coincidence, or if they did get some inspiration from me.) Either way would make for a fun story to friends and I'd get to run around with a shiny golden wrench. (Or should it be called a shiny shiny golden wrench since gold is already shiny? :s And would shiny shiny be additive, so just extra shine, multiplicative meaning it's like a mirror that makes things brighter, or shiny to the power of shiny meaning it'd be like looking at the sun? *Starfyredragon wanders off, mumbling to himself in a long diatribe at bout the effects of making something shiny shiny before getting distracted by flowers.* ) [[User:Starfyredragon|Starfyredragon]] 23:42, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::::::Now that looks like verbose to me. [[User:Vi3trice|Vi3trice]] 23:45, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::::::: Yea, again, "I can be a very wordy person." It's a character trait I.... you know what? I'm going to stop there. (You have no idea how hard that is for me.) [[User:Starfyredragon|Starfyredragon]] 23:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I've seen some people dismiss this as impossible based on the stated on-kill effect - turning someone into gold - requiring a lot of coding work for what might be a minor vanity item (for all we know). Just wanted to point out - Garry's Mod has a tool that can instantly freeze a ragdoll's limbs, convert its material into metal (along with all that entails physics-wise), and color it shiny yellow, thus turning it into gold, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Golden Wrench used the exact same method, thus requiring almost no new coding work. <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:Starfyredragon|Starfyredragon]] ([[User talk:Starfyredragon|talk]]) • [[Special:Contributions/Starfyredragon|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | :Considering the nature of Source, it's more than perfect when it comes to "Done on the fly" features and things like that. Values like shaders in VMTs can be changed at all time, I don't see that's so hard in understanding that. The whole "freezing limbs in place" is a bit more complicated (Bone angles and such), but to make a long story short, GMod's Freeze Tool is probably the best example. [[User:Vi3trice|Vi3trice]] 23:35, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::And considering one of the package deals is gmod + team fortress 2, I guess I could easily see them being close enough to be willing to trade code if Garry had already written it. <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:Starfyredragon|Starfyredragon]] ([[User talk:Starfyredragon|talk]]) • [[Special:Contributions/Starfyredragon|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | ::: True, though they did make TF2 in the first place. A whole game. Iʻm pretty sure they have the know how to throw something like that together without Garry. What may seem awkward to some, is probably incredibly easy to them. After all these years especially. <br> [[User:Benjamuffin|Benjamuffin]] 00:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == "More space than needed" ==
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| − | Rampant speculation, but could the "more space than needed" quote be referring to an Australium cache, as noted in some of the Engineer's grandfather's notes? [http://www.teamfortress.com/loosecanon/13.html This is the page I'm thinking of.] Say, maybe, one of the Australium caches had way more empty space in it than it did Australium, meaning that it probably at one time held a lot more stuff that disappeared sometime before the modern Engineer located the cache. A reference to a '''lot''' of new weapons and whatnot being in the Engineer Update, maybe, like stuff from the Polycount Pack? -[[User:Carooe|Carooe]] 03:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Some interesting perspectives, but too speculative to be added to the article (though I'm not sure that was your intention in the first place) — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 06:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I'm guessing it's a reference to the lapse between the IDs of the Mercenary and the Golden Wrench (http://www.tf2items.com/allitems.php?d=1), could account for a primary and a secondary [[User:Delicious cake|Delicious cake]] 07:48, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | How did you do that? Who did it? They're EPIC. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 13:02, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :not me because i use dxlevel 8 D: [[User:OllyTheMann|OllyTheMann]] 13:28, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Another thing... ==
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| − | If someone got an engi token (noone likes mining lights really) and a melee token and a scrap metal, could they make a golden wrench? [[User:OllyTheMann|OllyTheMann]] 13:27, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Unlikely. Someone oughta try though. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 13:30, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::No, it's not possible. It was possible as soon as the update was released, but DrunkenF00l asked Robin about it. Basically Robin said "FFUUU-" and it was patched out at their end. This is the story I am led to believe anyway. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 14:34, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Lalala. Silly Valve. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 14:35, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Everything above, but I like the mining light. :p [[User:Über spycrab|Über Spycrab]] 17:57, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::In truth I know a few people that could have gotten the Golden Wrench before it was patched out. One Valve employee has an Engineer token in their backpack, and any Community Wrench holder could have sacrificed their wrench and rebuilt it with a class token, formed the Engineer token, chucked it in with a melee token and some scrap, and boom they would have owned the Golden Wrench before anyone else. Shame no one did, then again a Community weapon for a weapon that will eventually be out at some point is obviously a fairly stupid idea. Though it would have been hilarious to see the people's reactions when you're the only one in the Golden Wrench list, joining any server and using it. [[User:Infi^|Infi^]] 18:19, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I thought it was always impossible to create an engineer token, since hats dont count towards the class tokens recipie.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 20:05, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | i wouldn't be quite so sure on that.
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| − | robin walker has replied in the thread that produced the original "email" with this rather funny/disproving image, in turn shunting the email as a fake
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| − | post http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15795364&postcount=250 [[user: Hyenadip|Hyenadip]]
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| − | == Another pre-update game like WAR! ==
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| − | Is it possible this wrench could be the staple of another in-game contest like the demo versus soldier WAR! game? For instance it could count the number of gold statues for RED and BLU teams with some kind of reward before the engineer update, or something along those lines. I would think that the text about the wrench breaking could be a hint towards this. [[User:SilVox|SilVox]] 23:48, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | A few days ago I was playing on the main Achievement Idle Negro server and I saw someone named 'charles barkley' with The Golden Wrench, it had the same attributes of turning victims into solid gold statues and had the same kill icon. I asked if it was real and he said that it was, but in a silly, sarcastic manner. But obviously I don't believe him. I went into spectator mode to watch him and it said "charles barkley is carrying: The Kritzkrieg - Level 8 Medigun - Imbued with an ancient power", meaning that it says a different weapon, different level but the "real" description. I told him that fact and he said it was buggy, which I don't believe again. Anyway has anybody else encountered a Golden Wrench and was it buggy like this? --[[User:Sinic|Sinic]] 01:25, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :That wasn't a real GW. [[User:Shine|Shine]] 01:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :[http://upload.gaiatools.com/files/GoldenWrench_0.png Just for the lol factor] — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 23:10, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == "Some Info on Golden Wrenches" Posted by Valve Employee ==
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| − | [http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1338716] A VALVe employee posted this at 9:34 PM EST. It spells out "NOW". --[[User:Jordanh91|-JordanH]] 06:40, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Valve love to troll us. Any ideas Wiki peeps? --[[User:DogGunn|DogGunn]] 06:59, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Either the Golden Wrench is an acronym for something important, 'NOW' means they're thrown in hidden links; or they're just trolling. Brb, off hidden link hunting.--[[User:RJackson|RJackson]] 07:03, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Report back soon son. Hope you're still alive! --[[User:DogGunn|DogGunn]] 07:04, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::No hidden links. :(--[[User:RJackson|RJackson]] 07:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::I'm thinking troll but deep down I hope I'm wrong — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 07:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::Some guy on the SPUF thread did make something obvious... A valve guy saying "NOW" means "In a few hours".--[[User:RJackson|RJackson]] 07:08, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::Do not go to bed - DO NOT GO TO BED! D: --[[User:DogGunn|DogGunn]] 07:10, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::::@Windpower I hope so too.... @RJackson Who said that? [[User:Jordanh91|-JordanH]] 07:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::Valve is forcing me to do [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26ciEPePj7M this]. I want a refund and a monetary compensation for the sleep I am about to lose — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 07:23, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::: Iʻm scared... [[User:Benjamuffin|Benjamuffin]] 12:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::::::: Engineer update eeeeeeeencomin'. [[User:Delicious cake|Delicious cake]] 16:24, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == It may not be Australium (promotional item) ==
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| − | It might be another Valve-Telltale partnership promotional item, this time for Monkey Island 2: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1335621 -- [[User:Nineaxis|Nineaxis]] 22:42, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :No. Just, no. For a start Monkey Island 2 isn't Telltale and furthermore, no. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 22:46, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Monkey Island [http://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=Telltale%20Games is a Telltale game]. To be honest, this is the most reasonable theory thrown out so far. Valve likes to troll, but releasing update items in the GCF before the update would never fly. -- [[User:Nineaxis|Nineaxis]] 22:50, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::'''Tales''' of Monkey Island is Telltale, Monkey Island 2 and its remake is Lucas Arts. Believe me, I've played them all. Do you think it's a coincidence that the Golden Wrench was released on the same day as the Engineer comic? It's not a promotional item. Not even slightly. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 22:56, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::: Well the Lucasarts guys are tight with Robin, so... (he plays on their server. Believe me, I've played with him there. And they contributed those items too.) [[User:Nineaxis|Nineaxis]] 23:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::You do make a point. And now that I think about it. "Nerd ogle wench" Could refer to pirates. I hope not though, to be honest. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]] <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 23:09, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::It makes a lot of sense but I don't want this to be true :( — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 23:13, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::Also makes sense for the imbued with an ancient power, Australium just does what it does, while I'm pretty sure Monkey Island has all the mystical/voodoo/ancient power stuff (don't know, since I haven't played it). Am I the only one who doesn't mind Valve doing promotional items like this so long as they aren't gamechanging? [[User:Nineaxis|Nineaxis]] 23:19, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::: If it was really a Monkey Island item, then I would of preferred the Cursed Cutlass of Kaflu than the Golden Wrench. [[User:Vi3trice|Vi3trice]] 23:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : "6:40 PM - Robin: they're not promotional items. They're entirely TF related." Dashed. [[User:Nineaxis|Nineaxis]] 23:41, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::How could you get him to talk about it? :o — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 00:08, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: "6:36 PM - nine: can I bug you about wrenches of a golden variety?" Subtle and suave, I know. [[User:Nineaxis|Nineaxis]] 01:14, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: Here's the conversation: [[:File:Robin_on_wrenches.jpg]] [[User:Nineaxis|Nineaxis]] 01:24, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | GOLDEN WRENCHES, NOW. Some just got dropped on the server I was playing on. — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 01:49, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :They don't seem to be numbered globally. The golden wrenches that dropped were number #2 and #3, so I think it's a per-server count. — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 01:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: The message was shown to all servers. SO EXCITED. HOW ARE THEY BEING FOUND! O_O [[User:Benjamuffin|Benjamuffin]] 01:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::They do not drop using the standard drop system. An announcement is displayed on-screen in the middle of the screen to all players, and the announcer yells "SUCCESS!" — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 01:54, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | There are a lot more than 11. In the server I was playing, about 5 of them dropped, and none of these players are on the tf2items list. They are numbered on a per-server basis, so I think tf2items is wrong. — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 02:22, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :The talk on the steam forums suggests a few things, you get the wrench via crafting, you get the wrench via visiting a certain spot in a map. As well as suggesting that those that get the wrenches, their drop isnt announced to their server, but to every server. Possible we could try contact those with it and find trends?--[[User:RJackson|RJackson]] 02:32, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::You're right, I didn't actually check if the player names displayed were actually on the server I was playing, and I checked the tf2items list against the scoreboard on the server I was playing. So I mgiht be wrong. — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 02:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Man there's a lot of idea's floating around steam forums. It's almost impossible to get conclusive facts to update this wiki with.--[[User:RJackson|RJackson]] 02:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::And yet I see a lot of threads on the forums pointing to this article as if it were a clear reference. Maybe it should really be mentioned that this is not set in stone yet. — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 02:42, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::I agree, is there something (similar to [[Template:Stub]]) we could throw up?
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| − | ::::::[[Template:Update]] seemed appropriate; I put it up.--[[User:RJackson|RJackson]] 02:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: THEY ARE DROPPING. Robin enabled it in front of me. Was cool [[User:Nineaxis|Nineaxis]] 02:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::I saw your conversation with him on SPUF, ninaxis. I'll be honest, I didn't really understand it. :(--[[User:RJackson|RJackson]] 02:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::After that, he told me to join his server again, after fixing the "bug", and enabled the wrench drops [[User:Nineaxis|Nineaxis]] 02:54, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::Ah, so they're now just randomly dropping? The 'burst' of drops was just some random bug?--[[User:RJackson|RJackson]] 02:55, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::You lucky Nineaxis, 1) getting to talk with Robin, and 2) getting actual answers and acts on top of that. Looking at the item ID column on the [http://www.tf2items.com/lists/golden_wrenches/ tf2items page], I'd actually think the drops are done in manual batches. The IDs are so close together and they did drop all at once in the game. So Robin must have been like "let's do one drop" and then boom, a batch of them dropped. And then the next would drop the next time he feels like it — [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] 02:57, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::If thats so I don't like it... :( Does anyone speculate that the drops happen to you even if your not online?<small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:Meter1060|Meter1060]] ([[User talk:Meter1060|talk]]) • [[Special:Contributions/Meter1060|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | ::::::Robin said they aren't completely and totally random. Which may mean they drop in batches. But I dunno. It's weird. [[User:Nineaxis|Nineaxis]] 03:07, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
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