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Why is it [[Patches (TF2)]]? It should be just [[Patches]] as TF2 is our main focus. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 18:42, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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: Possible TFC integration? --[[User:Firestorm|<span style="color:#FF6600;text-decoration:underline;font-weight:bold;"><tt><big>Firestorm</big></tt></span>]]&nbsp;{{mod}}&nbsp;[[File:User Firestorm Nuke Sig.jpg]] 18:42, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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:: Yep, page just got made "[[Patches (disambiguation)]]" --[[User:Firestorm|<span style="color:#FF6600;text-decoration:underline;font-weight:bold;"><tt><big>Firestorm</big></tt></span>]]&nbsp;{{mod}}&nbsp;[[File:User Firestorm Nuke Sig.jpg]] 18:44, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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::: Yes, I understand that. My point and the agreement was to make the non-bracketed names, like [[Soldier]] the TF2 ones and additional pages [[Soldier (Classic)]] for the TFC integration. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 18:45, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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::::Yeah. Pilk's idea. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]]{{bur}} <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 18:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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== MacOS support retirement ==
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:::::Edit it however you feel works best. -- [[User:En_Ex|En Ex]] {{bur}}  <sub>([[User_talk:En_Ex|talk]])</sub> 18:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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::::::Already have. We're going to use [[Soldier]] for TF2 things, [[Soldier (Classic)]] for TFC things and [[Soldier (Quake)]] for QTF things and maybe [[Soldier (Forever)]] for Fortress Forever, if we implement that. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]]{{bur}} <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 18:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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It seems TF2 no longer supports MacOS officially anymore:<br>
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::::::: It's (Classic) for both QTF and TFC. They are essentially 98% identical, so a page on each version would be a 98% copy. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 18:57, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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https://steamdb.info/changelist/23945028/<br>
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::::::::Obviously the patches'll be different, so we might as well have those differing. -- [[User:Smashman|Smashman...]]{{bur}} <sub>([[User_talk:Smashman|t]] • <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/smashman2004 s])</span></sub> 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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This change was also done to other Source 1 games:<br>
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[https://steamdb.info/changelist/23944663/ Half-Life 2], [https://steamdb.info/changelist/23928955/ Left 4 Dead 1], [https://steamdb.info/changelist/23944952/ Portal 2], [https://steamdb.info/changelist/23944927/ Left 4 Dead 2], [https://steamdb.info/changelist/23944895/ Half-Life 2: Deathmatch], [https://steamdb.info/changelist/23944871/ Half-Life Deathmatch: Source], [https://steamdb.info/changelist/23944835/ Counter-Strike: Source], [https://steamdb.info/changelist/23944792/ Day of Defeat: Source], [https://steamdb.info/changelist/23944698/ Portal 1], [https://steamdb.info/changelist/23944685/ Half-Life 2: Lost Coast], [https://steamdb.info/changelist/23944681/ Half-Life 2: Episode Two], and [https://steamdb.info/changelist/23944672/ Half-Life 2: Episode One].<br>
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The system requirements section of the TF2 Steam Store page also does not list MacOS anymore.<br>
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I think we should edit the article to reflect on this changes, but I'm not sure if we should wait for Valve to make an official announcement of it first.<br>
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As far as I know MacOS support for Valve-made games is out-of-scope for the company. See the following links for more information:<br>
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* https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/5ED2-ED8E-81F4-0C18#macos<br>
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* https://web.archive.org/web/20231018232105/https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/73EF-08A3-0935-6369#mac<br>
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* https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/5E0D-522A-4E62-B6EF<br>
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* https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Team_Fortress_2#API (same info from the SteamDB.info link above)<br>
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* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEetpGXDmjw
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<br/>[[User:Tiagoquix|<font color="#1e90ff">Tiagoquix</font>]] ([[User talk:Tiagoquix|<font color="#19c819">talk</font>]]) 17:56, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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:TF2 can still be played on a macOS before Catalina, but I think for the future onwards it's probably best to just mention that MacOS is officially deprecated (as I've edited it on [[Team Fortress 2]]). Feel free to add a mention it.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 18:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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::Done. Thanks.<br/>[[User:Tiagoquix|<font color="#1e90ff">Tiagoquix</font>]] ([[User talk:Tiagoquix|<font color="#19c819">talk</font>]]) 18:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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:::Well, well, well...<br>https://steamdb.info/changelist/23976276/ (https://steamdb.info/app/440/history/).<br>I would say we should wait a week or two before possibly reverting the changes, but I believe Valve is <i>not</i> going to support macOS moving forward.<br/>[[User:Tiagoquix|<font color="#1e90ff">Tiagoquix</font>]] ([[User talk:Tiagoquix|<font color="#19c819">talk</font>]]) 04:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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::::They are likely not, but there is still the legacy support for pre-Catalina OS IIRC, though it doesn't appear on the Store page's specs section anymore.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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:::::It seems that the macOS build is not functional currently: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5625<br/>[[User:Tiagoquix|<font color="#1e90ff">Tiagoquix</font>]] ([[User talk:Tiagoquix|<font color="#19c819">talk</font>]]) 15:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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::::::It has been broken for a while on newer systems as far as I know, but this would qualify more as a bug than as unofficially not having support. In that same thread it mentions that Steam won't support pre-Catalina MacOS anymore, which means officially they're still supporting it, so I think we should mention it although a bug entry on [[Team Fortress 2]], and then use ref tags to note that MacOS has been broken since the 64-bit patch in other places.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 16:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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:::::::I would say we should wait a week or two before editing the article with new information. Maybe with the Summer Update Valve will officially drop support for the 32-bit version of the game, [https://www.itechtics.com/eol/macos/ as the MacOS 10.14 seems to be EOL.]<br/>[[User:Tiagoquix|<font color="#1e90ff">Tiagoquix</font>]] ([[User talk:Tiagoquix|<font color="#19c819">talk</font>]]) 16:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

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MacOS support retirement

It seems TF2 no longer supports MacOS officially anymore:
https://steamdb.info/changelist/23945028/

This change was also done to other Source 1 games:
Half-Life 2, Left 4 Dead 1, Portal 2, Left 4 Dead 2, Half-Life 2: Deathmatch, Half-Life Deathmatch: Source, Counter-Strike: Source, Day of Defeat: Source, Portal 1, Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, Half-Life 2: Episode Two, and Half-Life 2: Episode One.

The system requirements section of the TF2 Steam Store page also does not list MacOS anymore.
I think we should edit the article to reflect on this changes, but I'm not sure if we should wait for Valve to make an official announcement of it first.
As far as I know MacOS support for Valve-made games is out-of-scope for the company. See the following links for more information:


Tiagoquix (talk) 17:56, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

TF2 can still be played on a macOS before Catalina, but I think for the future onwards it's probably best to just mention that MacOS is officially deprecated (as I've edited it on Team Fortress 2). Feel free to add a mention it.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 18:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Done. Thanks.
Tiagoquix (talk) 18:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Well, well, well...
https://steamdb.info/changelist/23976276/ (https://steamdb.info/app/440/history/).
I would say we should wait a week or two before possibly reverting the changes, but I believe Valve is not going to support macOS moving forward.
Tiagoquix (talk) 04:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
They are likely not, but there is still the legacy support for pre-Catalina OS IIRC, though it doesn't appear on the Store page's specs section anymore.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 11:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
It seems that the macOS build is not functional currently: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5625
Tiagoquix (talk) 15:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
It has been broken for a while on newer systems as far as I know, but this would qualify more as a bug than as unofficially not having support. In that same thread it mentions that Steam won't support pre-Catalina MacOS anymore, which means officially they're still supporting it, so I think we should mention it although a bug entry on Team Fortress 2, and then use ref tags to note that MacOS has been broken since the 64-bit patch in other places.
BLU Wiki Cap.png | s | GrampaSwood Praise the Sun! (talk) (contribs) 16:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
I would say we should wait a week or two before editing the article with new information. Maybe with the Summer Update Valve will officially drop support for the 32-bit version of the game, as the MacOS 10.14 seems to be EOL.
Tiagoquix (talk) 16:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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