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Chemistry Set

This demonstration has been reserved: Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 11:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Status: Review needed

Old discussion (2020)

Hi, just made a vid demonstration about Chemistry kit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2uEkaw6Jbs&feature=youtu.be What should i do next? ~ Fokus 03.06.2020 16:50 GMT+2

Hi there,

You now have to wait for WindPower to respond. He usually does this every week on Sundays, though he's very busy nowadays.

My advice on your video is: Don't start in the Main Menu, start in the backpack (first page) instead. Make sure your backpack's page is also clear of other stuff, so when you finished using the chemistry set it doesnt go to the third page and you'll have to drag it from there. Show yourself using the Chemistry Set, too, it's part of its functionality. Your video also seems to have a delay between sound and the video.

It also lacks editing.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

> he's very busy nowadays

You give me too much credit. — Wind 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for tips. I fixed the video, now it should be much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fgON6QQ6Mk&feature=youtu.be

Fokuskii (talk) 23:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

The same problem applies with the backpack. It should start on the first page (that's empty except for the required items). The section where you hover over the chemistry set is too long, perhaps make it 1 or 2 seconds. The same thing applies to the end, show the strangifier being applied. It also lacks fading (A lot of these things can be fixed with simple editing, but I think the pages thing will have to be done with a new one :\)
GrampaSwood (talk) 13:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

The video should also be 1080p (your first version was 1080p but the second version is 720p). Agreed with all other comments — Wind 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I have both an alt and a professor speks chemistry set for this demonstration, I just have yet to find the password to the account...
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 21:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Hey, was wondering if this was still open? I can do a possible version with a collector chemistry kit but not sure if it matters if it's strangifier or collector's. God'sWrath (talk) 01:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

It's still open, although a collector's kit may be too large as it would require showing all 100 items added.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 11:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, alright so what if I show a strangifier first and add a section for the collector's where I only put 1 in but I put disclaimer stating it's x amount of x items and not 1 item for a collector's kit? So video doesn't drag out. God'sWrath (talk) 03:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Just pick a simpler, cheaper chemistry set like in the first video · Ashe (talk) 05:15, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I've reserved this but I've been thinking it over and I'm not sure if it's really necessary. The Strangifier demonstration shows the exact same process of completing a chemistry set to acquire a strangifier and then applying it to the item. Both demonstrations would bassically be the same. Do we really need two demonstrations showing the exact same thing? Or what should this demonstration do to be different from the Strangifier demonstration? Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 22:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm about to craft some of my handshake chem sets. I have two clean ones but I'd rather not craft them and use my partial ones instead. One of these partial ones requires 198. I am thinking I can show a clean one, open it, fill in the first page (drag half, double click half) then do a fade cut where I've swapped to the 198 one on the last page with all the other pages filled in and actually craft that one instead. Within the crafting window there would not be any difference since the input page count for both is 17, there is just 6 on the last page instead of 8 but you would not notice this unless you did the math. If this is acceptable, do you want me to showcase the 4 pages of handshakes required for crafting it or just the 1st page with the chem set and 49 shakes? Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 03:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

A demonstration would have to show each individual one being dragged in. However, if you can smoothly transition the clips in a way that makes it seem like all were filled in on the same one and there's no difference, then that would be fine too, as long as the illusion of it being one chemistry set is there.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 12:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Double click doesn't even work, don't know why I thought it did. Will probably get to this in 2 weeks after my finals. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 11:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Example of transition previously described https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ROeqQWSgU Would obviously craft in the real thing and hover over the item in my first page. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 05:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Double click indeed does not work. However, I think you should show every single one being filled in. I get you want to use your mostly-crafted one already, but I think the way to go here would be to try and transition mid-craft, rather than fading like that. This way, it requires a precise setup and some editing, but it can be done.

For this reason, I think you should try and get the transition approved first. The way I would do this is film the backpack + dragging in, then at a certain page (preferably one where you need to click on the next page of Handshakes as you're filling it out) you stop. Then you take your partially-filled one, record yourself with the exact same mouse position (you can do this using autoclicker, for example, which has a built-in "click at location" button) clicking to the next page of Handshakes, then once you've finished putting them all in drag your mouse off-screen and wait ~0.5 seconds. This way, you can simply do the actual crafting part afterwards, once we approve this transition.

If done right, this should look like one seamless take, but not use your other clean chemistry sets.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 00:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlDW77LISq0 Transition is between 39s and 42s Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 09:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good, though the video lags a bit around that time as well, so it would have to be re-recorded.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 21:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Something Special For Someone Special (Tool)

This demonstration has been reserved: Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 00:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Status: No demonstration submitted

Old discussion (2019)

Hi. I know this item is quite expensive for someone to make a demonstration, but I was thinking, a video showcasing how the item works (which the purchaser's choose they person), and then, on the same video, showing the chosen player's screen perspective, showing the option to accept the proposal, and after that, showing the notification on the Main Menu for the accepted proposal.
Considering the high cost that would be making this demonstration, I wonder if Valve could gives us a hand and supply one for our demonstrations purposes, as long we delete both rings after doing the full video.
It seems that the process is mostly the same as the Gift Wrap, but I have no idea how are the things when someone receives that Gift. We also lack a proper Gift Wrap video, apparently. - ▪ - 19:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Keep dreaming, valve won't even fix server issues much less give us free items. If you are planning to make a demonstration though, better ask windpower for some super detailed instructions to make sure it's right the first time. Naleksuh (talk) 21:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Well, they have the ability to both give and delete items, it could work? Yes. Will it happen? We don't know. If there's anything we can do, is ask for someone who plans on buying one legitimately and asking them for help. Last time that the item got in 50% off, a lot of people bought one, so.

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20:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

If you give it some time, I could save up to get it and try to make it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

I offer to give a 50 USD Steam gift card to anyone who has already gotten an item demonstration video approved and uploaded in order to make this demonstration, and then another 50 USD Steam gift card upon video approval. I'm not sure what the price of the item is in other currencies but I'll also match that if possible as long as it's not too much more expensive. Please make sure to record both sides (sender account and receiver account). — Wind 23:00, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Well, I guess we should start discussing how should it be done. Firstly, I think the Gifter should be named "Scout" and the Recipient be "Miss Pauling". Scout has the Scout avatar (184x184 version from Steam), while Miss Pauling can use this. I think the name could be something along what Scout would say, my suggestion, name it as "You are really frickin' sweet". That'd go nice, eh?

Secondly, I don't know who's going to be the Recipient. Should we create a Steam account just for that, or should we rely with another Video Demonstration Creator to do a collab?

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23:55, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

well how about we can hit two birds with one store and do the ring and the Upgrade to Premium Gift from the same two account?, First the two account would demostrate the Upgrade to Premium Gift which the sender should buy it from the store and send to the receiver who don't have premium. them Recycle the same account to do the ring. We could make a story out of it as well from friendship when a user gifted the premium to the other use then after few days they both got engaged via the sender would give the ring. It won't end up a awkward situation. but for this situation we need 4 people to do the ring tho 2 sender reciever, 2 regular tf2 player to recieved the message one in the tf2 main menu and the other while in-gameJomarcenter (talk) 14:27, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

That's a cute story, but let's keep the demonstration to just one item (the ring), not the Upgrade to Premium Gift on top of it. — Wind 22:17, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't know what you're talking about, wind. Story time is clearly more important than the actual video. (but in all seriousness the two accounts would be okay to reuse right?) Naleksuh (talk) 04:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, it would just be two separate videos — Wind 23:39, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

I kind of thought the role playing names were unnnecessary to begin with, and could also cause confusion as to whether or not those texts always appear in game. But if WP or thed feels that's the best way to do it without commercializing it then oh well for me.

The two steam accounts would be kinda hard to sync up (and would also be a waste of $100), i'm willing to be proposed to if no one else will :) Naleksuh (talk) 01:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

No need for roleplaying. It's cool if you want to do it but totally optional. — Wind 06:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

I guess I should give an update on this. I'm still up for doing this one. The plan was to do it with Cheddar but currently a lot of the community wanted to boycott spending money on the game because of the bot situation so Cheddar wanted to delay this until....idk when. Valve just banned the majority of the bots and new bot hosting accounts are getting banned as they're being created so I think now is as good as time as any to do this demo. But I can't do it by myself so I need to talk with Cheddar_ and see if he's still available for it or I need an assistant who's willing to help with it. Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 11:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I get that you don't agree with the decision but the sassy "delayed until Idk I guess" comments are pretty annoying. No one can see in the future as to when stuff like this will cool down. If I say something like "do it in a week" and it's still an issue in a week, you would've been upset too.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 11:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be sassy. I'm not complaining. Sorry if it comes off that way. That's not my intention. It's just been nearly two full months with zero communication about the status of the demonstration. Reservations are technically only valid for two weeks so I simply wanted to make sure that everyone knew that I was still planning to do it. Mediarch

♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 12:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I could be of assistance. It seems that all of the bots are gone, so might as well do it now before anything else happens again.

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Steam

03:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Mannpower powerups

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Demonstrate all powerups.
Show you can switch to the Grappling Hook under the effects of the Knockout powerup.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Hello, I had a question about preforming/recording this demonstration. Mannpower has a domination mechanic (Not to be confused with dominations), this mechanic works by when a player has many more kills than other players on the enemy team, and so that player gets nerfs on their power ups. I'm guessing I would have to demonstrate this in the video, however I do not know how to activate it. I have not been able to activate this on myself in tr_karma, however even if I did, the player who is dominating does not get the message on their screen showing that they are dominating. The only effects the player who is dominating sees is they are marked for death if they have a power up, and a nerf on that power up for that player. I don't know how I would go about demonstrating the effects of domination mechanic, considering the viewer wouldn't know that being marked for death with a power up means you are dominating. If I were to get the domination mechanic to work, should I just show the class as marked for death, or something else? Andrew360 01:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

This does sound hard to demonstrate. If you enable third-person mode, do you see the skull icon above the player's head in the 3D world (not on the HUD)? If so, here's a structure that might work:

Spawn enough enemies on the map such that you can reach domination status, and still have enough enemies left over to show that the effect isn't about killing *all* other enemies.
Start the demonstration in first-person mode.
Switch to third-person mode.
Kill enough enemies such that domination status appears.
Highlight the correlation between the third-person skull icon and the HUD one, for example by zooming in on both at once, or drawing a red box around both or something.

Now you've established that "skull on HUD" = "having killed enough enemies".

Now, demonstrate each powerup one by one. For each powerup, do a split-screen, with the left being non-dominating, and the right being already-in-dominating status. Pick up the powerup on both clips and demonstrate the effect. The skull icon being visible on the clip on the right should be enough of a hint that this is the cause. If not obvious enough, you can draw attention to it at the beginning of the clip, such as by drawing a red box over it or something.

Hope this helps. I suggest doing a test demo with just one or two powerups demonstrated and posting it here first before doing all the work it would take to get this all done for all powerups, as there are a lot. (Perhaps each powerup should have its own video? That's a separate question...)

— Wind 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

I might try my hand at this, but only after I finish my other demonstrations and receive feedback and corrections for them. Po1yb1ank (talk) 23:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Enchantment: Eternaween

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Status: No demonstration submitted

Action

Fancy Spellbook

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Same as above, with the exception that the particle effects that emit on the hand are different.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Fireproof Secret Diary

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Same as above, with the exception that the particle effects that emit on the hand are different.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Kritz or Treat Canteen

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Status: No demonstration submitted

Match outcomes

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Status: No demonstration submitted

So there's a bit of a problem with showing the other angles with this demonstration, as you can't actually rotate the camera. Despite it being in third person, you cannot change the angle of the camera nor use +left or +right to make only the camera move. Any attempt to move the camera either doesn't work or makes the character move along with the camera. My original plan for this demonstration was the following:

Show a split screen with a player on RED team on one screen and player on BLU team on the other screen
- The RED player would capture the intelligence on 2Fort, and the other screen would show the BLU player in humiliation after they lose
  - This part would repeat for each class
It would then cut to tr_karma where I would rotate the camera around the class when they're standing, crouching, running, etc
After this I would move on to the next class until all of them are done

However I can't do this because I can't rotate the camera, does anyone have any ideas on how to rotate or have other ideas of how to demonstration and show the different angles?
Andrew360 22:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

How about just use the RED player to see the BLU humiliation animation. Like:

RED player is the main camera, BLU player is a bot/a smaller pip/split screen in the video

BLU player stands beside the intel point
RED player captures the intel and win the game
BLU player enters humiliation
RED player look at the BLU player
BLU player moves around to show off the humiliation animation.

I feel like this also shows off the concept of "match outcomes", make the whole story connected via one team wins and see another team loses with humiliation animations. Do we have to use tr_karma map for demonstration? Is this demonstration video about "match outcomes" or "humiliation animations"?--Alex┋T 03:19, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Simply using thirdperson_mayamode it would be possible to show off these animations from a stationary angle (turning your character rather than camera, although tr_karma/tr_target have no winning objective, so you'd need a different map for it (I suggest Thunder Mountain and standing in first BLU's spawn so it's still somewhat related to the tr_target map, using mp_bonusroundtime to extend the time at the end and just capping the first point).
GrampaSwood (talk) 11:01, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused on what you mean on the capping part, as you say to stay in BLU spawn, but also cap the point to win which would make BLU would win and RED would be in humiliation. Do you mean to make the time run out so RED wins instead?
Andrew360

23:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Either works. Just any way to make the classes go into the humiliation pose. I personally wouldn't mind it that much if RED was in BLU spawn, but it's up to you.
GrampaSwood (talk) 12:33, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I went in game to test out thirdperson_mayamode, and it does not work, as for some reason the losing animation isn't considered as in "thirdperson" by the game I think. Does anyone else have any other ideas? Only other way I can think of is using SourceTV, however I don't know how to set that up.
Andrew360

01:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Taunts

Crushing Defeat

This demonstration has been reserved: Decimate (talk) 10:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Demonstration link

Status: Review needed

I would say it is a little bit too fast, but this is just my opinion, let the moderators decide.
Talk Contribs Steam 17:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Peace Out

This demonstration has been reserved: Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 16:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Demonstration link

Status: Review needed

Commending Clap

This demonstration has been reserved: Talk Contribs Steam 17:13, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
Demonstration link

Status: Review needed

The transitions between classes need a little work. You can see the inventory including the other taunts like Conga and Killer Joke when you first click on the taunt for a couple frames. For the outro I usually fade out the game audio so the ambient noise fades as the screen fades out. Other than that I think it looks good but I'm not a mod or anything just my two cents. Also, I would probably wait for the taunt to be tradable just so the text isn't on there. Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 22:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Punchline

This demonstration has been reserved: Cheddar • Talk • Contribs 16:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Demonstration link

Status: Review needed

Need to be redone

Fortified Compound

This demonstration has been reserved: GrampaSwood 15-10-2024 18:00
Update to use post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage (4 dmg/tick for 7.5 seconds, previously 3 dmg/tick for 10 seconds).

Status: No demonstration submitted

Crusader's Crossbow

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Ubercharge gain rate is reduced in the same way that the Medi Gun's healing (and therefore, Ubercharge build rate) is - it is based on the last time the target was in combat.
Does not show that if you try to heal up an enemy Spy, Über is not built.
Does not show that if you heal an enemy player through a Pyro's reflect, Über is built.

Status: No demonstration submitted

I removed the clip from the previous demonstration when the medic is building his übercharge with the crossbow, the actual changes make it way too long. Video — Thedop (talk) 14:44, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

The picture-in-picture clip is too large and covers the center of the main video's vision. So when the heavy/spy turns to see the medic, it just doesn't show up on the screen. Please decrease the size of the picture-in-picture — Wind 00:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Second try — Thedop (talk) 06:45, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

The Minigun is still hiding the medic when he's firing... — Wind 00:07, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

*sigh* Thedop's demonstration has been in hiatus for two years. Maybe I can make my own demonstration if Thedop doesn't mind. — Exaskliri _(they/them) (talk | contribs) 06:43, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Demonstration reservations are only valid for 2 weeks. If the reservation tag remains on a video and no action has happened since, you can ignore the reservation and replace it with a reservation of your own. — Wind 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way, don't forget to add a demonstration of healing afterburn (probably the most common type of status effect). Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Definitely doable for making an entry about using Crossbow at point blank range to both hit enemies and heal teammates. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 21:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to at least make an attempt at this since the last discussion regarding the Crossbow demonstration was two years ago. Any advice would be appreciated, since this is my first wiki contribution. (And yes, I know how to edit) Jk6419 (talk) 02:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Due to IRL responsibilities that have recently popped up, I am removing my reservation. My apologies. Jk6419 (talk) 04:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Holiday Punch

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Does not demonstrate that disguised spies do not laugh from Holiday Punch.
Does not demonstrate interaction between cloaked spies and Holiday Punch crits.

Status: No demonstration submitted

I kind of felt Holiday Punch could possibly be redone such that it demonstrates its interaction with cloaked and disguised spies. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 08:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Not very practical, but sure, if anyone's up for it — Wind 04:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Not sure if I have to create a new section for the Holiday Punch or add information on an already existing one, but there's several things that probably should also be demonstrated:

Demonstrate that enemies underwater doesn't laugh on the back / critical hits, which therefore, they don't receive damage (The map used for demonstrations does not have water, though)

Demonstrate that punching an enemy at the back / doing a critical hit on an enemy that is jumping / is on the air, has no effect, and does no damage

Demonstrate that it's possible to tickle enemies that are being Ubercharged, possibly include both the patient and the Medic being tickled

Tickle the patient first, show that it's still in the effects of Uber, and tickle the Medic second, that would probably be more ideal, so it shows that when a Medic is tickled, his target loses the healing / ubercharge
Perhaps also demonstrate the Quick-Fix ubercharge, since it mentions it blocks "movement-impairing effects", which isn't the case for the Holiday Punch (I'm pretty sure you can still get tickled with the Quick-Fix uber)

Demonstrate that a Scout with the effects of Bonk! can be tickled

Demonstrate that a Soldier with the Battalion's Backup active, as well his teammates receiving the Backup effect, can still be tickled

A few other ones that I am unsure about:

Demonstrate that it's not possible to tickle robots and giant robots on MVM (I don't think we often make MVM-related stuff on these demonstrations, unless it's an unique mechanic like the Projectile Shield)

Demonstrate that an enemy who is taunting does not get tickled, and that it receives no damage on critical hits

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The tr_karma_rc1 map has water (see Sydney Sleeper demonstration here). I use that map for demonstrations, as it is preferred (according to the Weapon Demonstration page). — Exaskliri _(they/them) (talk | contribs) 09:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

No to the Quick-Fix + Bonk + Battalion's Backup things; as the project page states, non-stock item interactions are usually not demonstrated, in order to avoid having a full explosion of weapon interactions to demonstrate. The Quick Fix one also sounds like a bug, so usually that isn't worth demonstrating either because it has marginal utility and may eventually get patched, which would just create more video work later down the line. But all the other points are good to demonstrate, so +1 that a redo is in order for this one — Wind 04:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

I have an idea on how the new video might be represented:

Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic, Spy)

Do the same actions as was done in the original video

Part 2: Basic Interactions Do the same actions as was done in the original video, demonstrating Kritzkrieg on Soldier (via friendly Medic) and Jarate on Demoman (via friendly Sniper), plus another for Medic interactions.

Part 2a:

Approach friendly Kritzkrieg Medic, who has full charge
Get charged with the Kritzkrieg buff
Keep punching the enemy Soldier until the buff wears off
Punch again while the buff is off, and keep doing it until the Soldier dies

Part 2b:

Approach friendly Sniper holding Jarate
Let the Sniper throw Jarate at the enemy Demoman
Attack the Demoman normally while he is Jarated
Attack the Demoman from behind while he is Jarated
Kill the Demoman normally again while he is Jarated

Part 2c:

(This is where the new stuff begins) Approach an enemy Medic who is healing a ~~friendly~~ enemy Scout with his Medi Gun
Attack the Scout from the front and behind
Enemy Medic activate Medi Gun invulnerability
Do the same as Step 2 onto Scout except while Übercharged
Do the same as Step 4 except on Medic

Part 3: Versus Mittens Heavy

Approach the enemy Mittens Heavy
Attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. Watch him laugh.
Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. Watch yourself laugh.
Mittens Heavy will swap out Holiday Punch for Minigun.
Attack the Heavy with your Holiday Punch.
Swap your Holiday Punch for the Shotgun
Mittens Heavy will swap out Minigun for Holiday Punch
Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch.
(This is where the new stuff begins) Jump, and while mid-air let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
Go behind the Mitten Heavy's back
Let the Mittens Heavy jump, and attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.

Part 4: Spy Interactions View from the Heavy's and Spy's points of view, with a smaller video on the top-right (or something like that) for the Spy's point of view.

Approach the enemy Spy
Let the enemy Spy cloak
Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.
Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)
Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.

Part 5: Taunts and Water

Let the enemy Engineer taunt from his Shotgun. It should be the one where he dances around.
While the enemy Engineer is taunting, attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
Repeat Steps 1 and 2 except attack him from the front.
The enemy Engineer runs to the water. Follow him into the water.
Attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.

Part 6: Robots

Approach an enemy Robot, preferably the Holiday Punch Heavy Robot.
Attack him with your Holiday Punch from the front, and then attack him from behind. There should be no laugh.

~~Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)~~ ~~Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC)~~ Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 10:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Very detailed, nice. — Wind 22:48, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

By the way, I also think that it would be helpful to add a section dedicating to observing a duration comparison for all Schadenfreude taunts. I have a feeling that the length of the taunt has an impact on gameplay of the Holiday Punch. So maybe we could do a section where 9 Holiday Punch Heavies simultaneously attack one of each class, which demonstrates the time it would take to get out of the forced animation. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 01:41, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Might be cool if only for the comedy of it all. — Wind 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

On "Part 4 - Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)", why not make the Spy disguise as the Heavy, and make sure that the Holiday Punch is active? The Spy won't be able to laugh, but I wonder if you (the player), would laugh. In case that happens, then it would be important to also showcase trying to punch the Spy from behind without having him with the Holiday Punch active.

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03:19, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Actually, never mind. For some reason I thought you also laughed with who you just punched that is also wearing the mittens (it commonly happens when both Heavies hold their left clicks after being tickled). But, the Spy wearing the Holiday Punch may be the best scenario here, so it shows that the disguise is not lost (although make sure to show also without the mittens active, and, when the mittens is active for Spy, punch him from the back, then punch him from the front).

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Power Up Canteen

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Doesn't show Canteen Specialist upgrades like Battery Canteens demo does

Status: No demonstration submitted

I feel like I can do a demonstration for this one. But my canteen is a crafted version so it has my username on it. Is that acceptable ? Kaezle (talk) 04:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

If you right click on it you should be able to remove that. Naleksuh (talk) 06:22, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

I think the stock version (Normal quality) should be used over the Unique one, considering all players have it.

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Chargin' Targe , Tide Turner , and Splendid Screen

This demonstration has been reserved: Cheddar • Talk 13:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Should be redone to show that charging with the shields remove debuffs
Demonstration link

Status: Review needed

Should these be redone to show that they remove debuffs such as Jarate, bleeding, afterburn, etc.? If so, which effects should I specifically show?
GrampaSwood (talk) 08:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the effects that should show are just some of them, not all

Soaking, Jarate is preferable as it make the screen yellow tint.
Fire, simple burn from Flamethrower.
Bleeding, from Southern Hospitality?
Mark for death, from Fan O'War

I think those are all.

Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 12:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that would all be good. — Wind 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I think the Eyelander clip should probably be synced up better, or go one after another. I think the flame stuff should be done using the Flamethrower instead, as getting killed shows "Pyro carrying Cheddar's", try to also get a clip with a Pyro firing their Flamethrower and you charging through it, showing that if you get hit after the charge starts the debuffs don't get removed. Otherwise, looks good.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 13:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Looks good, only missing the clip with the mid-charge debuff being applied. You can do this using Jarate too if you find that easier (since it has splash).

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks good, the only thing I would change (if the demo needs other changes) is to have the Jarate in the second Jarate clip be thrown on you mid-way through the charge, rather than at the start (but after you already started charging).

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

The fire overlay doesn't appear in the fire clip · Ashe (talk) 03:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Quick-Fix

This demonstration has been reserved: No one

Status: No demonstration submitted

Old reservation (29 April 2021)

What I've done in addition to the existing one (the timestamp in the parentheses are the old/new ones):

(1:14/1:24) On the first scene demonstrating the Quick-Fix's basic functions, I did the same as the old one, plus damaging myself and the patient Heavy while being Ubered, demonstrating that the Quick-Fix's Uber doesn't reduce incoming damage. I also damaged myself (the Medic) twice instead of once.
(2:09/2:39) When demonstrating the Quick-Fix's heal rate in comparison to the stock Medi Gun, while mostly the same, I used a recently-injured Heavy, so that the heal rate (for each medigun) is at the slowest. I used an offscreen pistol Engineer (hence why the starting HP is 14), teleport commands, and r_cleardecals, so it should look neat.
(2:17/3:01) I demonstrated the knockback immunity from Quick-Fix's Uber the same way, but now there's health and Ubercharge HUD.
(2:56/3:47) I did the "mirror blast jumping" part outdoors, although it might not look neat. I'm sorry.
(3:26/4:17) I demonstrated crit healing (after the recipient doesn't take damage for 10-15 seconds) with the Quick-Fix's Uber in addition to the non-Uber Quick-Fix. Yes, the 3x healing rate Uber stacks with the crit heal.
(3:53/6:56) I redid the "Uber build rate comparison on different HP threshold" because the old one didn't have the Quick-Fix as the second healing beam, hence it doesn't explain if the second healing beam alone would slow down the Quick-Fix's Uber build rate (the Quick-Fix has 125% maximum overheal, lower than the usual Uber build rate penalty at 142.5% overheal).
(4:26/5:06) I demonstrated the Quick-Fix maximum overheal limit and decay rate on Scout vs. Heavy as well as comparing it to the stock Medi Gun's overheal in addition to the "maintain overheal above 125%" that the old video demonstrated. For the last part, I only used one Heavy, as the aforementioned added demonstrations make up for that, and I maintained the overheal above and below 142.5% overheal (Uber build rate comparison) as well as healing the Heavy when the overheal goes down below 125%.
(4:46/8:32) For the "healing disguised Spy" part, I have two enemy bots (Heavy and Demoman) so that the Spy doesn't disguise as a Demoman named "Medic". Both bots are injured, so my disguise will be healed, too.

The new ones (the timestamps refer to the new demonstration):

(7:39) Demonstrating stock Medi Gun's Uber vs. Quick-Fix's Uber (the latter doesn't reduce incoming damage, but prevents incoming knockback unlike the former) and the fact that they have same duration (barring the stock's lingering effect). Also has Quick-Fix's Uber without incoming rockets to demonstrate that the duration is the same.
(7:58) Ubering multiple teammates at the same time drain faster than Ubering a single teammate alone. Also, only the aforementioned Ubering multiple teammates drains Uber faster; Ubering an injured teammate drains at the same rate as Ubering a healthy teammate (fully overhealed) and not healing someone when Ubered.

I did the "Uber draining when dropped" part, but both mediguns show "Dropped by Exaskliri." Is it allowed? I gave the bot the Quick-Fix via bot_mirror command. https://youtu.be/0ZlwvHZrjdU Exaskliri (talk) 04:27, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Nothing you can do about that, that's just how it shows. Shouldn't be too noticeable and there's no point in going through the trouble of setting up a server and getting a buddy to join only so it doesn't show. Though the confusion on where the quick-fix actually is should be redone so it doesn't look like you are looking for it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I just did the "mirroring the explosive jump" part, though I don't think it looks neat. Is it OK? https://youtu.be/NQo1iTxQSEA Exaskliri (talk) 03:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Just finished the whole demonstration. I just need to attach the segments. Exaskliri (talk) 15:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Just finished ~~uploading~~ re-uploading the new Quick-Fix demonstration video to YouTube and MediaFire.

Exaskliri (talk) 08:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't see any problems, except for the the explosive jumps scenes, that looks a bit laggy, and in general the quality, that seems to be more like a rendering issue, though shouldn't be a problem · Ashe (talk) 04:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm fixing the video right now (quieting projector sound, incorrect fade out time, etc.). Gotta reupload soon. Exaskliri (talk) 10:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Just uploaded the fixed version of the Quick-Fix demonstration video. Exaskliri (talk) 13:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

This is spectacular work, thanks a lot! Just two comments, none of which should require a lot of work to fix hopefully:

Video quality also seems to have the same artifacts as the Winger demonstration. Please increase the bitrate. Unlike the Winger demonstration, I understand that a demonstration this long could take forever and use a lot of bandwidth to upload twice (to YouTube and to MediaFire), so if the video quality is approved for the Winger demonstration is good enough and you've used the same settings for re-rendering this demonstration, feel free to just upload the higher-quality Quick Fix demonstration to MediaFire only, in order to avoid having to upload the huge file twice.
There is an audio/video glitch at 9:56 - 9:57.

— Wind 05:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

You finally responded! Thank you so much. The video/audio glitch is from the .dem recording, so I had to conduct another play, especially since it involves another player. Exaskliri (talk) 15:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Alright. Can you upload the new version? — Wind 04:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Kritzkrieg

This demonstration has been reserved: Talk Contribs Steam 22:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Does not show that Kritz Über does not prevent capping or carrying the Intelligence.
Does not show health of patients, overheal is not shown properly.
Demonstration link

Status: Review needed

I think I'll take this one! Greenfox (talk) 20:51, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Please sign your comments using ~~~~.
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

sorry! Greenfox (talk) 06:27, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Could anyone give me advice on how to do this demo? For one thing, this part of the video isn't possible with the new map, and I am not sure what to do.

Talk

Contribs

Steam

00:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Off the top of my head, you could use the wooden separator near the back of the room. So long as its clear the beam disconnects because something is physically between you and the healing target, it shouldn't matter.
Kibblekip ^{T | C} 01:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, I'm trying to make a script to make the bots move, like in the part where the soldier is Übercharged, for example.

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Contribs

Steam

18:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

It's easier to just ask someone for help.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 18:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I am asking for help.

Talk

Contribs

Steam

19:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I believe they mean asking someone to join the server to make some clips easier to get.
Kibblekip ^{T | C} 05:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

What map should I use to demonstrate capping the points?

Talk

Contribs

Steam

03:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Every other Medi Gun demonstration uses Badlands, so just use that.

EDIT: Clarification, Badlands (Control Point) specifically should be used, not the KOTH version.
Kibblekip ^{T | C} 12:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Trading demonstration

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Doesn't show the "Requires Steam Guard verification" window

Status: No demonstration submitted

We can make the same Medic and Heavy conversation joke.

Alright, it seems that Steam won't allow me to change the Trading window language for some reason, so i'm leaving this to a English-speaker user · Ashe (talk) 04:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't think we should redo this just for this reason; there may be more UI changes to that process in the future, and it seems unnecessary. — Wind 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

I think it's necessary. It's the little things that count anyway. If I could do it, should I record the footage of me verifying the trade on my phone?

Talk

Contribs

Steam

03:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Teleporters

This demonstration has been reserved: GrampaSwood, 7-8-2024 17:03 CEST
Needs to show the updated metal cost.

Status: No demonstration submitted

I think the current demo is a bit messy, so I'm making a new order: First clip (showing basic things, requires 3 people):

Build entrance (no speeding up), watch it fully unfold.
Build exit (speeding it up). Take Teleporter once it's fully built.
Fully upgrade to level 3 using 3 pre-spawned full ammo boxes. Upgrade to Level 2 on the Exit, and upgrade to Level 3 on the Entrance (showing both sides share upgrades).
Friendly takes the Tele, enemy player (non-Spy) tries to take the Tele, then an enemy Spy tries to take the Tele (undisguised).

Second clip:

Third screens: left screen shows Tele Entrance being selected from PDA, middle screen shows Tele being selected from PDA, right screen has Tele pre-built and picks it up. All 3 put it down, left stares at it, middle hits it, right stares at it (showing off build speed vs wrench hitting vs redeploying).

Third clip (requires 2 people):

Third screens: Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right. Shows friendly player getting teleported, then walks back to entrance and waits for another teleport. Do this for 3 teleports in total. Alternatively, we take another 2 people. They stand in a line and take Teleporter as I watch. Tele brings them to an off-screen place, and I (Engineer) stop on it last. Both teammates look at the Engi, say a thank you voice line. The last bit is only for a bit of humour, so I can understand if we just take the first option only.

Fourth clip:

Either a single screen (my preference) or one-third screens: Spy walks on Tele undisguised, gets teleported. Walks back to Entrance, disguises, gets teleported. Walks back to Entrance, takes Disguise off, then cloaks and stands on Tele.

Fifth clip:

Spy saps Tele Exit, stand on Tele (showing no teleporting), remove Sapper, repair Tele (shows both sides get healed at the same time). Switch sides, Spy saps Entrance, remove Sapper.

Sixth clip:

Third screens: Spy saps Tele, wait until it dies. Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right.

Seventh clip (requires 2/3 people):

Enemy Heavy stands on Tele Exit, I go through (killing him). I walk back in front of Entrance, Medic with Über pops it on patient (who walks on Tele), I go through (killing him). Medic stands on Exit (with Über still), I kill him. If possible, the first Übered player should have respawned by now as a Spy, noclipped out of frame, then walks onto Tele entrance, going through and telefragging me (Engi).

Optional extra clips: Eureka Effect clip:

Half screen: left has stock, right has Eureka Effect. Both build Tele, grab one of the 2 large ammo boxes in front of them, and start upgrading their Teles. Eureka Effect finishes first as it only needs 200, Stock requires 400.

Setup time clip:

Shows extra fast upgrading of Teles.

If I missed anything, let me know, but this should be all.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 15:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I think this covers pretty much all there is for teleporters.
Cheddar • Talk 15:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Amputator

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Does not show damage against players vs stock

Status: No demonstration submitted

I recorded most of this but medic's health regen is completely random as far I can tell. I can't get the clips to line up so I can properly demonstrate the increased health regen so I'm removing my reservation for the time being. I might try again some other time to brute force it but it doesn't seem promising Mediarch ♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 18:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Not having them be synced up is fine as long as it's clear that the Amputator goes faster.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 18:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

That's not the issue I'm having. It's the part where you're showing that it only regenerates faster while you are actively holding the amputator itself. The original video has a 3-way splitscreen with the left side being Amputator, the middle having the Amputator equipped but switched to hold the medi gun, and the right holding the stock bonesaw. I can't the medi gun side and bonesaw side to sync up so it looks like one of them is slightly faster than the other. One of the two is always slightly faster or slower which makes it really difficult to properly demonstrate that part. Even the actual health you gain each tick is slightly variable from what I can tell. I had 6 different clips and synched them all up and they all finished at different times and would have different health values despite all other variables being equal. All 6 clips started at the same time but all 6 of them have different HP https://imgur.com/3NVTjSG. My only thought for a fix is I could try to cheat and essentially just crop the health bar from one of the clips and paste it onto the other so that way they are perfectly synced up. It'd have to be a seamless edit though which is pretty hard to do. Mediarch

♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 19:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

I'd argue that so long as there is a reasonably larger difference in time between when the Amputator while held reaches full health to the Bonesaw and Medi-Gun clips, even with a minor difference between the latter two the point should get across. Syncing them up would be difficult unless you used a config file to automate the clip upon spawn, as AFAIK Medic regenerates health based on a set timer even while at full health, meaning health can start being restored seemingly inconsistent to when he takes damage.
Kibblekip (talk) 00:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Thermal Thruster

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Video doesn't show the increased knockback while using the item

Status: No demonstration submitted

This video was created when the rule was just "at least 30 fps". Now, the knockback clips are a bit random and doesn't properly show the actual effect. Maybe the demonstrator can show it by placing a pyro aiming upwards and make it airblast them. The clips would be in badwater roof, the left clip without the thermal just falling off from it and the right clip, jumping with the thermal onto the pyro. · Ashe (talk) 17:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Natascha

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Needs to show that when an enemy is being healed by a medi gun or other source (like a dispenser) they're immune to the slowdown.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Ubersaw

This demonstration has been reserved: Myrmxa 19:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Needs swing speed penalty compared to stock.

Status: No demonstration submitted

I don't think it's necessary to show the Spy stabbing you during the Über, I would change that to just holding out the Ubersaw and watching it drain. It looks a bit awkward running into the Spy attacking like that. I also can't tell if the video is too low FPS or if it's just Google Drive, so Ashe will have to be the judge of that. Other than that, looks good.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks like the FPS is good, I do think the ÜberCharge bit should be changed, however.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 20:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Added updated ver. Myrmxa (talk) 19:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

The sound is very quiet. In the first clip, I would wait until the entire ÜberCharge is over before doing the taunt (hold out the Ubersaw to watch the liquid drain). Another clip already shows that you hitting someone mid-ÜberCharge extends the duration.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Machina , Shooting Star

This demonstration has been reserved: Cheddar • Talk 15:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
Does not show fully charged damage vs stock.
Machina Shooting Star

Status: Review needed

Might as well add in the Shooting Star too. If possible, during the fully charged damage segment, show side-by-side that the Machina can't fire while unscoped. Andreng (talk) 13:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Looks good.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not convinced to the dmg comparison clip. I think it would be better if you make a comparison with a Demo instead. To make the Machina kill the demo with one shot, try to damage it with one shot of the smg · Ashe (talk) 20:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Ap-Sap , Snack Attack , Red-Tape Recorder

This demonstration has been reserved: Dessensce (talk) 06:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Does not show Sapped Sentry Guns take 33% less damage from the Spy who applied the Sapper.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Battery Canteens

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Needs Canteen Specialist's time bonus for canteens shown.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Classic

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Does not demonstrate damage comparison compared to stock. [Both quickscope and fully charged]
Does not demonstrate jumping while scoping.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic)

Start with the Pyro, Soldier, and Medic, plus the enemy Sniper as shown in the current video.

Inspect the rifle
Scope the rifle without manually charging. Pause for a few seconds.
Charge the rifle to full while scoped. Pause for a few seconds.
Let go of the charge while scoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
Pause for a few seconds and unscope.
Charge the rifle to full while unscoped. Pause for a few seconds.
Let go of the charge while unscoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
Shoot the Pyro with a quickshot bodyshot at the middle of his body, where there is little chance of accidentally hitting the headshot hitbox. Specifically, aim at his middle flame grenade.
Move the crosshair to Pyro's head.
Shoot the Pyro's head with a quickshot "headshot".
Shoot the Pyro's head again, but with a partially charged "headshot".
Aim at Soldier's head, and kill him with a fully charged unscoped headshot.
Aim at enemy Sniper's head, and kill him with a fully charged scoped headshot
Aim at Medic's head, and attack him with a scoped partially charged "headshot"
Move the crosshair to Medic's body, specifically slightly to the left of his lower visible button right above his glove.
Kill the Medic with a fully charged scoped bodyshot.
Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a non-scoped headshot.
Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a scoped fully charged headshot.
Taunt.

Part 2 – Sniper Movement 1

Three split videos of Sniper, left and middle with Classic, right with Sniper Rifle. This will demonstrate that charging slows down the player.

Begin charging the middle Classic. Also begin charging the normal Sniper Rifle.
Move forward to the garage door.

Part 3 – Sniper Movement 2

Two split videos of Sniper, both with Classic. This will demonstrate that releasing a charge returns the speed back to normal.

Begin charging the right-hand side.
For the right-hand camera, release the charged shot by shooting at anywhere in front.
Move forward to the garage door, with no charged shots on either of them.

Part 4 – Scope and Cancelling

Be at a tall location, enough for room to jump up and down. When doing the switching of weapons, make sure the weapon switch menu is visible, not just performing a quickswitch.

Aim straight.
Charge the Classic to full, and then switch to the SMG. Switch back to the Classic.
Repeat Step 2 but switch to the Kukri, then back to the Classic.
Scope and jump.
Unscope the Classic.
Charge the Classic and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
Charge the Classic to full and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
Charge the Classic while scoped and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.

Part 5 – Fall, Land, and Shoot

At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy once you're on the ground.

Charge the Classic.
Fall while still charging.
Shoot at the Heavy while you are on the ground, still with your charged shot ready. If done correctly, Heavy should be able to be dealt more than 50 damage.

Part 6 – Fall and Mid-Air Shoot

At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy mid-air.

Charge the Classic.
Fall while still charging.
Attempt to shoot at the Heavy while in mid-air. If done correctly, Heavy shouldn't be shot because the bullet was not actually shot.

Part 7 - Damage Comparisons, Non-Charged

Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic quickscope bodyshot, top-right is Classic quickscope "headshot", bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope "headshot".

Start from the "natural" aiming position, and specifically point towards the head if the clip is a quickscope "headshot".
Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.

(Heavy is chosen because, unlike the Pyro, the 45 versus 50 damage actually makes a difference to who dies first; Pyro dies in four shots with both rifles for quickscope bodyshots, as opposed to Heavy who dies in 6 with 50 damage and 7 with 45 damage.)

Part 8 - Damage Comparisons, Charged

Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic full bodyshot, top-right is Classic full headshot, bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle full headshot.

(Heavy is chosen because he is killed with three shots from Classic full bodyshots, but two shots with normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshots.)

Scope from all rifles and charge them immediately (or automatically in the case of normal Sniper Rifle)
Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.

For the damage comparisons, Medic could also be used, as a normal quickscope bodyshot takes 3 hits to kill him, or 4 with Classic quickscope bodyshots, and for full bodyshots just either 1 or 2 hits. The light classes won't work, neither for the moderately bulky classes like Pyro and Demo. Soldier also doesn't work for the full bodyshot stage, as he dies in 2 shots for both types.

There's also the interaction with cancelling a charge in water, but not sure if that specific interaction is necessary to demonstrate.

Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Reserve Shooter

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Needs to show damage against targets launched airborne via their own explosives, Thermal Thruster and Grappling Hook.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Forgot to add this here after checking the existing demonstration for reference on how best to handle the Direct Hit's airshot clips on tr_karma_wiki, only to see some clips were also absent for this weapon too.
Kibblekip ^{T | C} 07:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Battin' A Thousand

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Show the taunt with Scout's different melees similar to the Roar O'War demonstration.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Southern Hospitality

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Update to show post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Noticed this while watching the existing demonstration. Currently it shows afterburn inflicts 3 damage per tick (4 with SH), when it is now 4 damage per tick (5 with SH).
Kibblekip ^{T | C} 00:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Invis Watch , Cloak and Dagger

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Update to show post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage.

Status: No demonstration submitted

Quäckenbirdt

This demonstration has been reserved: No one
Needs to include afterburn time and damage comparison.

Status: No demonstration submitted

While I was checking over the invis watches to see which ones included the updated afterburn damage, I realized this demonstration was missing the comparison entirely.
Kibblekip ^{T | C} 01:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Warrior's Spirit

This demonstration has been reserved: Scorchshotgaming
Does not show damage against players vs stock

Status: No demonstration submitted

Question, how exactly should I show the damage difference? Scorchshotgaming (talk) 17:48, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

The same way other damage penalty/bonus weapons do.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 17:52, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I am still having the bug where my game freezes. Maybe I can’t do this demo after all. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 18:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Team Fortress Classic

Crowbar (Classic) Crowbar (Classic)

This demonstration has been reserved: Lolimsogreat21
Demonstrate damage and maximum range

Status: No demonstration submitted

Nailgun (Classic) Nailgun (Classic)

This demonstration has been reserved: Lolimsogreat21
Demonstrate damage at close, mid and long range
Demonstrate accuracy and the effects of recoil

Status: No demonstration submitted

Questions and Proposals

Note: This section is for questions and proposals that aren't specific to a single weapon. If you think a demo ought to be remade, then make an entry for it in the Need to be Redone section above and it will be dealt with.

Zombie Infection Zombies

Zombies have different abillities than normal players.

Hello, I am Slimyboi500. I will be doing the demostrations for each zombie in Zombie Infection.

Why, you may ask? Unlike normal gamemodes, the BLU team (or in this case, the zombies), have different abillities than normal:

Scout: Speed Demon
Soldier: Pounce
Pyro: Hellspawn
Demoman: Blast Charge
Heavy: The Tank
Engineer: EMP Grenade
Medic: Heal
Sniper: Spit
Spy: Reveal

They also have different effects, like different amounts of health and speed. The zombies only can use melee attacks however, which makes it harder to kill.

Let me know if it's a good idea or not.

Slimyboi500 (talk) 17:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

If we're doing this, I think there should be a demonstration made for each gamemode, rather than just Zombie Infection. Although ZI has gotten an introduction video now that shows off the mode pretty well, so I don't believe it is necessary.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 17:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

The introduction is missing a few key details, such as not showing the Soldier or Heavy's abilities. I feel like it would be a good idea. Such as like there should be a demo for VSH.

----Slimyboi500 (talk)

18:12, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't show each ability, but it does overall show the gamemode very well and I think does a sufficient job. Although, again, if we are making demonstrations for this, I think one should be made for each gamemode.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 18:18, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I think there should be one for each gamemode.

----Slimyboi500 (talk)

19:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Remember to also indent your signature and to keep your answers above the hidden comment.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 19:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Still, is that a yes on the idea?

----Slimyboi500 (talk)

20:28, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I'm voting no, but other people might be in favour of it. Profiteer was, for example, so I'm waiting for more input.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 20:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I vote yes for the Zombie Infection zombies (as well Saxton Hale on VSH), but not for other gamemodes. I consider these zombies kinda like "new weapons". They all have different abilities, passives, first-person views, etc. I'm not quite sure if there needs to be a demonstration regarding the human part (only if demonstrated humans being infected by zombies upon dying), and perhaps the only thing related to humans would be that zombies drop small healthkits (because it's related to them, the zombies). A showcase of each zombie class, its ability, and some human interactions like being infected by them, and, killing them as humans, would probably be a nifty video package.

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22:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm all in for ZI and VSH demos, but a significant issue would be future balance patches to the modes. Each balance patch so far has significantly changed the zombies, and if we had already made the demo, we would have to redo the video for each one of these updates, which would result in multiple uploads of the same video over and over again and a lot of work (and given how we can barely keep up with the current demos in the backlog...). Maybe instead of a gamemode demonstration, we could simply do a "zombie class demonstration" ("Zombie Sniper", etc.) and a "mechanics demonstration" (weapon modifications, gamemode-specific elements). This way, if a zombie is changed, we wouldn't have to redo the entire video. — Tark 22:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I will do the demo as soon as I get enough votes for it

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18:42, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Voting yes for the demo, ZI and VSH seems stable...for now at leastProfiteer（奸商）the tryhard (talk) 11:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Voting yes for ZI and VSH videos. Videos per zombie for ZI is a good idea. Now, we'll have to wait for the upcoming ZI update, in which I think will be the last one with gameplay changes? · Ashe (talk) 23:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

The only issue is that the maps aren't fitted well for demos, and I can't find out how to turn into zombies on normal maps. The same goes for VSH too.

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00:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ The VScript would have to be ported over, as well as all the assets. Alternatively, doing all of this on an existing map of those game modes.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 00:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Flippin' Awesome and Skullcracker in VSH

When Saxton Hale used Flippin' Awesome or Skullcracker, the other mercenary participating the taunt will be taunt killed, is this something worth remaking the taunt demonstration? Or we just keep the current taunt demonstration, but add this feature into the VSH demonstration? --Alex┋T 18:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I think a VSH demonstration would be better, as it may be confusing why Saxton Hale is suddenly there when he's not normally playable.

| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 19:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, a demonstration regarding VSH, showing all Hale's abilities, and some unique taunt interactions, would be the most ideal (including his default taunt kill). That one would probably be more lengthy, and some things would probably require to be discussed beforehand. Like Mercs being able to wall climb (which is applied to even stock weaponry), should that be shown too?

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20:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I think maybe a demonstration for every game mode could be in order, as a sort of semi-tutorial created by us. A VSH one would fit that too.

| s | GrampaSwood (talk) 08:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Configs for partner taunt demonstrations

I've created some configs for partner taunt demonstrations. It automatically spawns 2 bots, places you in the starting position, and has another small command ("teleport") to input after it to teleport both the bots to the right position. It binds H and J to the bots performing taunts, H = BLU bot does taunt, J = RED bot does taunt. They're all class-specific and automatically kick any other bots there. There's no way (right now) that I know of to update the weaponref.zip, so if anyone needs it I can forward you a zip of the files. Just let me know on my talk page (or if you know of a way to update weaponref).
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 23:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

New tr_karma and requirements

I've been working in the past week in fixing some issues tr_karma has and some new guidelines. The changes to tr_karma are:

Increased lightmap quality in the interiors
Fixed a "checkerboard" texture in the gas cylinder, the ceiling fan and the cardboard boxes
Added chat scripts to enable noclip (!n in the chat), regenerate (!r), spawn an ammo pack (!am) and enable demonstration server settings (!demo) (these commands are available also in the new tr_karma_basic.cfg)
Fixed the func_buttons in the wood targets only working once, thus displaying the hit particle once
Removed Tough Break cases and the Gargoyle prop as they didn't fit the ambience
Removed the mining cart prop in the rails due of a lighting issue
Repacked the map, reducing the map size from ~91 MB to ~18 MB

The link to the download and new proposed guidelines are here. Check them out and give feedback · Ashe (talk) 16:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Issues with tr_krama and tr_krama_event

When I start a local server and load tr_krama/tr_krama_event, it won't load (probably because it doesn't exsit) lights/shadow making the map super bright, this only happens on 2 krama maps, I tried to download a modified version of tr_krama on workshop and it worked perfectly, pretty sure something is missing in the map file from weaponref.zip.Profiteer the tryhard (talk|contribute) 05:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

It works fine on my end.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 10:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Join the IRC to help you @Profiteer · Ashe (talk) 21:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

@Profiteer do you have HDR enabled? · Ashe (talk) 16:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Question about 2D and 3D player models

A question I've had for a while about weapon demonstrations is, is there a specific reason that 2D player images in the HUD are standard rather than the 3D player model (be it for performance, consistency, or any other reason), also considering that 3D player models are enabled by default? The 3D model could also generally be more useful for certain cosmetics or demonstrations. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 16:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

they're buggy, eat up frame rate on a lot of systems, and aren't really necessary. I don't think they really add anything of value to the videos so my vote would be to keep them disabled. Mediarch

♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 16:50, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know, there's no real reason that we prefer one over the other. 3D models are enabled by default, but it may have just been something that was done for a while and became the standard.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 16:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Fair point, it would obviously be a massive hassle to redo every demonstration with a 2D player model. Also for some people I suppose keeping them off improves framerate. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 19:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's because when they were added to the game, it caused lag to a lot of people. The recent 64 bits update fixed the 3d character using a lot of cpu and now it shouldn't affect fps (although i guess modern pcs didn't have issue with it anyways) · Ashe (talk) 15:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Mastercomfig question

I am planning to make a demonstration, and the recommended requirements state that Mastercomfig High/Ultra is preferrable. However, I highly doubt my PC is able to run Mastercomfig High/Ultra properly and all the other high graphics settings. Is it acceptable if I use Mastercomfig Medium High and use average graphics settings? May look slightly lower quality than a typical reservation, but I don't think much will be affected. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 21:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Ultra is preferable, but setting your game to all max settings should suffice.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 21:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, I'll look through some configurations, and if I find one that looks high enough quality without sacrificing my computer's performance I will use it (my PC is not too high spec, to say the least). My demonstration is for the Cleaner's Carbine; once you review it tell me your thoughts. For me this is especially important because I will need to screen record this too. Scorchshotgaming (talk) 21:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Closed Captions/Subtitles

Random thought today for a low priority task: creating subtitle files to explain what is being demonstrated during the videos. Potentially beneficial for new players; for example, and what made me think of this, during the pomson video we're shown a spy POV getting hit by the pomson to demonstrate the cloak drain, which is only noticed if the player is looking at the cloak HUD element, which is pretty easy to miss (imo), especially if you're new and have no idea what's going on and are just looking at the engie firing the shot.

Looking at youtube supported formats I'd reckon TTML is probably the way to go since it supports positioning (important imo) and styling (not very important imo). I've found this open source editor which supports TTML and offers a built in video-from-url import for syncing. - After messing around for a bit, positioning seems very disconnected between the previews in that app and actually uploading the files to youtube, although once the proper settings are found it should be a breeze to copy paste the templates before submitting, might investigate after finals done next week if I can remember.

On the admin side of things, seems like it's about 5 clicks to add a subtitle file. Subtitle editor permissions exist so it doesn't have to only be one person officially implementing these (which is what uploads appears to be if I'm not mistaken). Potentially the actual subtitle file contents could be put into this project's page as subpages e.g. Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000 Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000/es and then create a category to mark them as ready to upload/update. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 19:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Investigation has been made, a combination of the subtitling software aegisub and a corresponding converter app work wonderfully. No positioning nonsense like all the other editors I could find and they offer style + positional templates so everything can be standardized. I've uploaded an example for half of the pomson demo (creating templates and finding the software wore me out too much to finish it rn). 240p bc I have .1kbps upload and can't be arsed waiting to upload HD. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 06:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The issue is actually uploading the subtitles. I've actually uploaded subtitles for all intro videos back when we uploaded the zombie infection one and it was such a pain... I took me days. YouTube has a way to bulk upload them, but it seems limited to business accounts, which we are not and can't apply for.

A request that is very frequent, and something that I've done a few times, is adding timestamps for when something happens in a video (c this video - a commenter asked to add timestamps for each minigun). I think we could do that more often out of courtesy (it actually does help), but not as a requirement for demos. — Tark 17:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

As mentioned, there is a separate permission for subtitles. Seems like you can also upload the subtitles from an API. Potentially this can be combined with the subtitle page idea and have a bot with a subtitle permission yt account to automatically upload them from the wiki. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 18:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I personally don't like the idea of describing it with text, as I'm afraid we or the people might get reliant on it, rather than the textless demonstration. Plus, it'll likely become outdated very fast.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 19:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Achievement Demonstrations on the official TF Wiki YouTube channel

Weapon demonstrations are very helpful in letting newer players know how a weapon fires or how an unlock's attributes affect standard gameplay, while keeping older players up-to-date on balance changes. But what if we assisted players of all kinds in learning how to earn TF2's 520 achievements? Introducing Achievement Demonstrations! (Video)

"Why demonstrate achievements?"

TF2 has hundreds of achievements, with many having rather vague descriptions. Thus, actively attempting to earn them may seem daunting to many players. Demonstration videos would provide clarity and encouragement to both newcomers and achievement hunters alike.

"How should achievements be demonstrated?"

Any achievements showcased should be earned in intended ways, utilizing simplest methods. This page should serve as a general guide. Weapon unlocks and cosmetics should be avoided unless essential to earning the achievement. General achievements that are earnable by any class should feature the Scout by default. Demonstrations should be primarily versus bots, though versing another player will be necessary at times.

Taunt kill and Deathcam-related achievements: Should feature the victim's Deathcam perspective of the player earning the achievement.
Achievements involving performance of a repetitive task over a lengthy period of time: Should be presented with a fade effect representing a time lapse, with only the start and earning of the achievement needed to be shown.
Milestone achievements: Could be accomplished with either a brief compilation of the prerequisite achievements being earned, or with a simple showing of only the final achievement popup, along with the associated achievement item being claimed from the notifications menu.
Achievements requiring Steam friends: These will require alt accounts or coordination amongst contributors.
Unobtainable achievements (ie certain Replay achievements): Should be presented with a note informing watchers the achievement is currently unable to be earned.
Joke achievements: A demonstration should not be necessary for these.

"Where should achievements be demonstrated?"

Achievements should generally be showcased on tr_karma_wiki, tr_karma_event_wiki, or a variant edited in Hammer with altered bot spawn locations.

Arena achievements: arena_karma_wiki.
Capture the Flag achievements: ctf_karma_wiki.
Control point achievements: cp_karma_wiki.
King of the Hill achievements: koth_karma_wiki.
MvM achievements: mvm_karma_wiki. Can utilize custom waves.
Payload achievements: pl_karma_wiki.
Map-specific achievements: The official map associated with the achievement. MvM maps can utilize custom waves.
Event-related achievements: tr_karma_event_wiki or an edited variant.
Replay achievements: Should only use replays taken from one of the maps listed above.

$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 19:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Con My personal vote on this would be a no. I just don't see the need and it would feel spammy. The majority of achievements are pretty self explanitory. The few that are vague are thouroughly explained in the "Obtaining Achievements" type pages. This would be a massive ammount of work to produce and aprove all of these for what feels like very little to no gain in my opinion. Producing hundreds of videos explaining basic things feels like a huge waste of energy. I could maybe see an argument for making "official guides" for some of the more convoluted achievements but the wiki definitely shouldn't be making hundreds of videos covering basic stuff like "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances". Mediarch

♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 20:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Time and energy are non-factors as I am entirely willing to solo produce these if needed. And even basic achievements have their nuances. Per your example, does "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances" include ones that are being constructed? What about ones that are being sapped? Do destruction assists count? Et cetera. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 20:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I've heard that quite a few times about different projects, this is not something you will finish, trust me. I personally don't believe these add much value, some achievements are very self-explanatory, and the how-to is exactly why we have these pages. It's a neat idea, but there's too much that would go into these (including needing to pretty much reset all your achievements each time). If a project is going to be made, it needs to be accessible for everyone, or at least more than a few people willing to reset all their achievements.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 22:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

It took only a few hours to make/edit the 5 example videos, the rest of the time I spent working on this project was spent planning and mapping (I had to learn how to use Hammer). Realistically, it would only take a few months for me to complete them all, and that's just with one person working on them. As for resetting achievements, Steam Achievement Manager is a facilitative way to modify your Steam achievement progress at will. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 23:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

And to refute the idea that a lot of the achievements are "too basic," this same logic could apply just as much to any other demonstrations: weapons can simply be playtested by anyone booting up the game and firing them a few times, taunts can be freely previewed in the Mann Co. Store, all the cosmetic videos exist simply to show they can earn assists, and so on. Meanwhile, a great deal of achievements are rather specific or obtuse in how to actually earn them and would greatly benefit from a video demonstration. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 23:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘There is no real refuting here, this is people giving their opinion. The issue is that, yeah, it's possible to do this on your own, but if you're going to have to make 520 videos you're going to give up at some point. As for Steam Achievement Manager, that's an outside program that may or may not be considered a cheat by Valve (at the very least, we don't wanna rely on this program to have to reset specific achievements). Weapons can be playtested, unless you don't have them. Taunts can be previewed in the store, except it doesn't show off M1/M2, and doesn't show off a full taunt (intro, loop, exit). Cosmetic demonstrations aren't being made anymore because they're all the same, so we scrapped them.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 23:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

SAM is moreso a debugging tool than a cheat. I'm certain most people use it to earn bugged achievements that wouldn't activate for them for whatever reason. That argument aside, I am more than willing to continue working on this project if given a greenlight, or in the case the greenlight only comes after a certain trust is built, I'd still be working on it until then. I'll provide updates, including more videos, more maps, thumbnails, etc. The only achievements I might need outside help with are the ones which require multiple Steam friends. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 00:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

It's not much of a debugging tool, but there are in-game features to reset achievements, too, which is what we would use instead. The Wiki being official means if we officially require people to use that program, it's a form of endorsement, which is not something we want. Many achievement demonstrations would also simply not be interesting or very hard to demonstrate (winning 142 rounds of a map, collect 1 million MvM credits/killing 1 million robots, destroying 100 enemy stickybombs with the Scottish Resistance). Some would also not be a proper demonstration: Winning a map without losing a control point on Hydro or winning a round of Well within 5 minutes would just consist of either regular gameplay or an empty server where you run on control points. The former is too much for a demonstration, and the latter is not demonstrating anything. Also note, this is the last message I'll leave here (but I will still watch the conversation) as I don't want the convo being stopped by a constant back-and-forth and possibly have people not engage in the conversation because of it.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 00:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I can see the rationale behind wanting to use the more 'official' means of resetting achievements, and I will aim to utilize that from now on. As far as whether or not an achievement is demonstrated "properly," this is entirely subjective, as achievements can be earned in a variety of ways outside the intended/idealistic means; I merely wish to provide an example of the most basic methods which anyone can reliably follow. Whether or not a demonstration is "interesting" is also subjective. I appreciate the earnest provision of your viewpoints and criticisms, and I too shall disengage from this back-and-forth to allow more opinions to be shared. $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 00:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I really don't see the issue with using SAM or any other tool to lock/unlock the achievements as needed for the demo... The argument that we'd be endorsing it is quite absurd, this would be behind-the-scenes stuff.

That said, it is unreasonable to make over 500 videos and some achievements would be hard to demonstrate (progress ones, for example). I wouldn't be against making a "walkthrough" for some very specific achievements like the Merasmus TV one, but that wouldn't really fall under this project (it would just be an addition to the strategy page). — Tark 17:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I've updated the Achievement Demonstrations folder with better organization and 50 more demonstrations! This took a little under 2 weeks. All newly-added demonstrations have been listed in changelog.txt. Feel free to give them a glance! (Note: all future project updates will be addressed via the changelog until project completion.) $ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ (talk) 21:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Update status on the Team Fortress Classis demonstration project

Some of you here may remember when two years ago, a user by the name of @Anonymus0 decided to make a proposal about doing Weapon Demonstration videos about the Team Fortress Classic weapons. Although the wiki had no such infrastructure to support the newfound idea (Tfc demonstration maps, guidelines, rules etc.) the proposal still received mass support; thus prompting me, as well as a number of other editors, most notably Yossef, to collaborate together on turning this young idea into reality. However, despite some early success in recording, due to Yossef's family situation coupled with my vanning interest in the wiki, the project died down....up until now.

Because now, I would like to announce that the first major hurdle in making Tfc demonstration weapons, namely that of getting a proper demonstration map, has been overcome! For that reason, I will present you 4 different demonstration maps that I had created. Why 4, you may ask? Well I knew that as a very much novice map maker, I could not possibly make a good demonstration map from the first try; so I decided to make multiple different maps and ultimately let you, *the community*, collectively decide which of the presented maps should be used for demonstrations. This of course means that any criticism, praise, suggestions and comments about the upcoming maps is very much appreciated and wanted. It must also be noted that many of the maps shown here are not complete. In fact, this is a deliberate choice, as I first wanted to get community feedback about the overall layout and "feel" of the map, before decorating them with details and whatnot. Anyway, here are the maps:

1st map is called Wind_tunnel, and its demonstration video can be found here. 2nd map is called backup_final (keep in mind that these names are only temporary, the chosen map will be renamed into tr_lolim) and its demonstration video is here. 3rd map's name is tr_karma, which you can see here. And finally, the 4th one is called tr_lol_test_tfc and can be found here. The maps are chronologically ordered, meaning that the first map Wind tunnel is oldest/earliest one that I created, while tr_lol is my final one. As you can see, Wind tunnel and Backup final are the most completed maps, featuring an outdoors obstacle course section, a pit, as well as a grenade testing range. However, the other two maps shouldn't be judged for their lack of such things, since the outdoors part can easily be copied from the other two and added on. Of much, much greater importance to me is knowing whether the main testing chamber/firing range, as well as the overall layout/architecture is of satisfactory enough quality to be used for a professional and official setting like the Team Fortress Wiki. Further more, here are the wireframe overviews of some of the maps listed: (Wind Tunnel), (tr_karma), (tr_lol)

Once again, I leave it up to the community to decide which of these maps is the most valuable one; or if my mapping skills are that bad, if none of them are worth while, in which case I will happily scrap all 4 maps and start over again. This time, hopefully, it wont take me 2 years to finish a new batch :D. As for download links, I didn't provide them since once again; the maps are not finished and are expected to undergo many revisions, both as I and the community see fit. However, if someone really wants to see/edit these early maps for themselves, they can contact me in private and I can provide both the .bsp and the .quark (the map making engine) file.

Anyway, although the largest hurdle for this project has hopefully been overcome, there are still more technical problems that prevent me from just pumping out TFC demonstrations, they are as follows:

Lack of proper bot programs: It is true that online, you can find many bot programs compactable with tfc, however none of them can be used for demonstration purposes. Namely, all of those programs are combat bots. The ones which move around and shoot you. Even worse, except for the command to spawn them and change their difficulty, they cannot be in anyway controlled or manually manipulated. I eventually took one of these programs and delved into its files, where I erased the waypoints the bots use to move around. This fixed the problem of them moving around, since now when they spawn, they get permanently locked into place. However they still lock on and target hostile bots and players, and they keep trying to "escape" their prison by constantly hopping in place. I'm contemplating picking up programming and simply creating a bot program myself, but that will certainly take time.
No damage indicators: Tfc doesn't display any damage numbers when you damage someone. I haven't found any mods that seem to add them, meaning that the only way to know the damage you dealt is to use the console. However, I do not know could this be presented in a video format.

That seems to be it. While I wait for community feedback, I will continue to try and find workarounds/fixes for these problems. Thank you for your attention :D! Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 09:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

I'm not going to lie, this project has been entirely stagnant so there's clearly not much interest from anyone actually involved in the project. It's easy to say "yeah this is a great idea", but then when it comes to actually doing it, others have to figure it out. The maps were the least of our worries, as they can be made easily, and definitely not the biggest hurdle. The bots and damage numbers will most likely require game modification to work, or at least a good knowledge of the game (for the bots). Otherwise, it'll always have to be two people, which requires servers too. This just seems like way too much work to figure it out, so I think if this hasn't been solved in 3 months I might just indefinitely shut it down.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 13:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

As fascinating as it is, and the work is appreciated, I feel as if it's just far too much work from a recording an editing standpoint, especially without damage numbers and everything that TF2 has its gonna be pretty hard to record any sort of demonstration unless you go through the whole process of manually adding numbers to the video to indicate damage. Unfortunately I don't believe most would be able to cope with all that work.
Cheddar • Talk 13:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I can see that the general outlook on this project is quite pessimistic, which I can understand perfectly. However, there have been more developments that I've made this week, which could bring this proposal one more step closer to realization. Namely, the Foxbot bot program, which almost certainly isn't intended for the purposes I'm trying to shoehorn it into, is actually quite a bit more flexible then I initially thought and reported to you. Turns out that with some careful and delicate usage of the waypoint system, it is possible to (crudely) manipulate and somewhat exert control over the bots. Couple this with the skilfull usage of something called waypoint tags, and I managed to actually bug out the bot's navigation, to the point where they become completely docile and unmoving, ready to be used for demonstration purposes. Finally, the command botsdontshoot ensures that they won't target me, allowing me to even control the direction they are facing. While this setup cannot be saved, meaning that every time I load a map I need to do the whole procedure again, it works perfectly and looks something like this

Only minor issue still remaining is that when the bots get killed, they will respawn back into their "unbugged" state and start jumping and moving about. Since the command mp_respawn_time doesn't work, and there is no way to stop them from respawning, I simply solved the issue by disabling chat messages and then binding one of my keys to the kick command and immediately kicking the bot upon death; if I'm fast enough they wont even get to respawn. (In the video they did, hence the loud obnoxious sound in the background). Finally, the Foxbots have a couple of tricks up their sleeves over their tf2 counterparts, namely the botcam command, which allows me to see from the pov of the bots, which could be immensely useful in demonstrations, but I've yet to do extensive testing on it.

I consider the bot issue solved, leaving only the damage numbers remaining, however things got complicated here. Turns out, I was wrong in believing that the console shows damage received by other players, or if it does, I don't know how to get it do that. This not only means that there are no damage numbers shown during the actual testing, but there is no record kept of the damage another player received at a given moment, from which damage numbers could then be extrapolated and edited in during the post production. This is actually fine for most weapons. There is no damage falloff in tfc, meaning that a single shot from, say the nailgun, will always do the exact amount of damage at all ranges. Meaning that as long as all shots hit their target, I can simply count the amount of ammo a weapon consumed and then add in damage numbers. The real trouble makers are the Shotguns and the Assault gun, who fire multiple pellets/buletts per single ammo, and have a wide spread, making it impossible to know the exact damage dealt unless at extremely close ranges, where every shot is expected to connect. I'll still looking for a solution to this, so wish me luck. Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 22:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

This sounds like a ton of effort, and definitely not worth it nor easy to get into for the average person. It's possible, but having to rely on the bots being bugged out and having to do this every single time to do something. This is just too much effort, unless it can be done easily I don't see much of a point.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 23:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Well If ease of demonstration is such a problem, there might be a way to remedy it quite easily. Checking out the Foxbot download site, it seems that a botdontmove command, which is something that would drastically cut down on the setup process, is actually on the developer's to-do list. And since the last update to foxbot came out in July of this year, it isn't out of the question that the next update could also arrive relatively soon, at least sooner then your 3 month deadline... However, in my opinion, there is no reason to wait any further. I have the maps, I have the (semi-functioning) bots and I can demonstrate 12 out of the 19 weapons (not counting the grenades) by simply guessing the damage numbers with reasonable accuracy. So unless someone gets any army of alternative accounts, or multiple players are willing to come together for a demonstration (which clearly won't happen and is very expensive), then this is the way the cookie will crumble. Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 11:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

Unforutnately, the way the cookie will crumble is the project being scrapped. Damage numbers are is the biggest thing to show here, if they're based on a guess and not going to be natively supported, the project will just be scrapped instead. The reason to wait is because the whole purpose of these videos is to show off the weapons, if you can't show off the damage properly with damage numbers that are entirely accurate instead of a "guess with reasonable accuracy" then we're not doing it yet. Even if you know the damage entirely, having to individually add these for each weapon is way too much effort.

| s | GrampaSwood

(talk) (contribs) 12:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Alright alright, I can see that I didn't express myself clearly enough/forgot to say something important, so forgive me please. Namely, there is a way to see how much damage you've dealt someone in tfc, and that is to hop into the spectator team and hover over other players, which will display their armour and health. So in theoryyyyy (say when demonstrating the shotgun); you can pop one shot into the opponent, hop into spectator and see how much health is left and then go back to blue team, use some kind of autoclicker/script in order to return to the same mouse position, and repeat the whole process again. Afterwards, you can simply cut out the whole "you checking the bots' health" in order to make it appear as if the shotgun was firing continuously, and use the knowledge to add in damage numbers (simply extrapolate the damage by seeing how much of bot's health was left in every incriment of firing from their base health). Is this very difficult to do, yes. But like all the other things in this project, what matters is that it's possible, atleast to me. Now, is this a genuine and native demonstration? No. Does it involve pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes? Yes. But judging from the talk at demonstration for Chemistry set, it seems that the wiki is fine with using illusions in order to make something appear to happen rather then actually happen. So I see no problem with it.

Anyway, here is the prototype of the first Nailgun demonstration, damage numbers and all included. [1] Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 20:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘There's a difference between "pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes" to save on costs, and having to manually add in each damage number, move each of them, and do that for every single time there's damage. The font and music don't really match up, as they're both meant for TF2. As much as I'd like this to succeed, having to (after EVERY shot) hop into spectator to find out how much damage was done and writing it down to then edit it is too much effort. Even if something is possible, like I've mentioned a few times, if it requires as much tedious work as having to shoot once, go to spectator, view health, note down health, return back to position, and repeat it's just not worth it. We've seen this with cosmetic items that had Pyroland assists, no one wants to do them, it piles up, and eventually we just scrapped them entirely.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 21:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Timestamps on all videos

As the name suggests I'm interested in providing new/updated timestamps for the majority of the existing wiki videos where it may be applicable, as well as making any new ones when new videos get uploaded. I would create a doc with all videos listed along with timestamps written down for each of them.
-- Nemesis07 (talk) 23:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Timestamps could be good. However, the weapon demonstration videos don't really have a structured order so it could be tedious to make timestamps for those videos. I only added them to some videos like the medic mvm shield · Ashe (talk) 03:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I sorta agree with Ashe. I don't think timestamps are really necessary for most videos. The majority of demonstrations are really short (2:00 or less in most cases) so I don't think there would be a big benefit to timestamps for every single segment. Seems like more work than it would be worth for most demonstrations. Mediarch

♥ Talk ♥ My Edits 14:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Getting existing playlists up-to-date and adding new ones

Currently the channel only has a couple of playlists that doesn't include all of the videos, I'm interested in helping create additional playlists for all of the videos to potentially make it easier to find certain videos.
-- Nemesis07 (talk) 23:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

People dont' really use playlists, and the ones that currently exist are for group of "unique" videos. Making a playlist for all the weapons or per-class wouldn't make sense · Ashe (talk) 03:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

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+== {{Demo Header|Chemistry Set}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = review needed
+ | reservation = [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 11:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC) <!-- Due to the more "special" status of this chemistry set, this reservation lasts indefinitely until the user themselves or a weapon reviewer removes it. -->
+ | changes =
+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FnZhpTuOcL4AZ88gamf0nqwYCA4qRdqm/view?usp=sharing
+}}
+<div class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:100%">
+Old discussion (2020)
+<div class="mw-collapsible-content" style="width:100%; text-align:left">
+Hi, just made a vid demonstration about Chemistry kit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2uEkaw6Jbs&feature=youtu.be
+What should i do next? ~ Fokus 03.06.2020 16:50 GMT+2
+:Hi there,
+: You now have to wait for [[User:WindPower|WindPower]] to respond. He usually does this every week on Sundays, though he's very busy nowadays.
+: My advice on your video is: Don't start in the Main Menu, start in the backpack (first page) instead. Make sure your backpack's page is also clear of other stuff, so when you finished using the chemistry set it doesnt go to the third page and you'll have to drag it from there. Show yourself using the Chemistry Set, too, it's part of its functionality. Your video also seems to have a delay between sound and the video.
+: It also lacks editing.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 15:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
+:::> he's very busy nowadays
+:::You give me too much credit. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
+::Hi, thanks for tips. I fixed the video, now it should be much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fgON6QQ6Mk&feature=youtu.be <br />
+::[[User:Fokuskii|Fokuskii]] ([[User talk:Fokuskii|talk]]) 23:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
+:::The same problem applies with the backpack. It should start on the first page (that's empty except for the required items). The section where you hover over the chemistry set is too long, perhaps make it 1 or 2 seconds. The same thing applies to the end, show the strangifier being applied. It also lacks fading (A lot of these things can be fixed with simple editing, but I think the pages thing will have to be done with a new one :\)<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 13:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
+:::The video should also be 1080p (your first version was 1080p but the second version is 720p). Agreed with all other comments — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
+I have both an alt and a professor speks chemistry set for this demonstration, I just have yet to find the password to the account...<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
+Hey, was wondering if this was still open? I can do a possible version with a collector chemistry kit but not sure if it matters if it's strangifier or collector's. [[User:God&#39;sWrath|God&#39;sWrath]] ([[User talk:God&#39;sWrath|talk]]) 01:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
+:It's still open, although a collector's kit may be too large as it would require showing all 100 items added.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
+::Ah, alright so what if I show a strangifier first and add a section for the collector's where I only put 1 in but I put disclaimer stating it's x amount of x items and not 1 item for a collector's kit? So video doesn't drag out. [[User:God&#39;sWrath|God&#39;sWrath]] ([[User talk:God&#39;sWrath|talk]]) 03:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
+:::Just pick a simpler, cheaper chemistry set like in the first video · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 05:15, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
+</div></div>
+I've reserved this but I've been thinking it over and I'm not sure if it's really necessary. The [[Strangifier]] demonstration shows the exact same process of completing a chemistry set to acquire a strangifier and then applying it to the item. Both demonstrations would bassically be the same. Do we really need two demonstrations showing the exact same thing? Or what should this demonstration do to be different from the Strangifier demonstration? [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 22:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
+:I'm about to craft some of my handshake chem sets. I have two clean ones but I'd rather not craft them and use my partial ones instead. One of these partial ones requires 198. I am thinking I can show a clean one, open it, fill in the first page (drag half, double click half) then do a fade cut where I've swapped to the 198 one on the last page with all the other pages filled in and actually craft that one instead. Within the crafting window there would not be any difference since the input page count for both is 17, there is just 6 on the last page instead of 8 but you would not notice this unless you did the math. If this is acceptable, do you want me to showcase the 4 pages of handshakes required for crafting it or just the 1st page with the chem set and 49 shakes? [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 03:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
+::A demonstration would have to show each individual one being dragged in. However, if you can smoothly transition the clips in a way that makes it seem like all were filled in on the same one and there's no difference, then that would be fine too, as long as the illusion of it being one chemistry set is there.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
+:::Double click doesn't even work, don't know why I thought it did. Will probably get to this in 2 weeks after my finals. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 11:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
+::::Example of transition previously described https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ROeqQWSgU Would obviously craft in the real thing and hover over the item in my first page. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 05:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::::Double click [https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5216 indeed does not work]. However, I think you should show every single one being filled in. I get you want to use your mostly-crafted one already, but I think the way to go here would be to try and transition mid-craft, rather than fading like that. This way, it requires a precise setup and some editing, but it can be done.
+:::::For this reason, I think you should try and get the transition approved first. The way I would do this is film the backpack + dragging in, then at a certain page (preferably one where you need to click on the next page of Handshakes as you're filling it out) you stop. Then you take your partially-filled one, record yourself with the exact same mouse position (you can do this using autoclicker, for example, which has a built-in "click at location" button) clicking to the next page of Handshakes, then once you've finished putting them all in drag your mouse off-screen and wait ~0.5 seconds. This way, you can simply do the actual crafting part afterwards, once we approve this transition.
+:::::If done right, this should look like one seamless take, but not use your other clean chemistry sets.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 00:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::::: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlDW77LISq0 Transition is between 39s and 42s [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 09:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::::::Looks good, though the video lags a bit around that time as well, so it would have to be re-recorded.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{anchor|Ring}}{{Demo Header|Something Special For Someone Special}} (Tool) ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation = [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 00:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC) <!-- Due to the more "special" status of the ring, this reservation lasts indefinitely until the user themselves or a weapon reviewer removes it. -->
+ | video =
+}}
+<div class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:100%">
+Old discussion (2019)
+<div class="mw-collapsible-content" style="width:100%; text-align:left">
+Hi. I know this item is quite expensive for someone to make a demonstration, but I was thinking, a video showcasing how the item works (which the purchaser's choose they person), and then, on the same video, showing the chosen player's screen perspective, showing the option to accept the proposal, and after that, showing the notification on the Main Menu for the accepted proposal.
+<br>Considering the high cost that would be making this demonstration, I wonder if Valve could gives us a hand and supply one for our demonstrations purposes, as long we delete both rings after doing the full video.
+<br>It seems that the process is mostly the same as the [[Gift Wrap]], but I have no idea how are the things when someone receives that Gift. We also lack a proper Gift Wrap video, apparently. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 19:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
+: Keep dreaming, valve won't even fix server issues much less give us free items. If you are planning to make a demonstration though, better ask windpower for some super detailed instructions to make sure it's right the first time. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 21:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
+::Well, they have the ability to both give and delete items, it could work? Yes. Will it happen? We don't know. If there's anything we can do, is ask for someone who plans on buying one legitimately and asking them for help. Last time that the item got in 50% off, a lot of people bought one, so. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 20:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
+:::If you give it some time, I could save up to get it and try to make it. <br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 20:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
+:I offer to give a 50 USD Steam gift card to anyone who has already gotten an item demonstration video approved and uploaded in order to make this demonstration, and then another 50 USD Steam gift card upon video approval. I'm not sure what the price of the item is in other currencies but I'll also match that if possible as long as it's not too much more expensive. Please make sure to record both sides (sender account and receiver account). — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:00, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
+::Well, I guess we should start discussing how should it be done. Firstly, I think the Gifter should be named "Scout" and the Recipient be "Miss Pauling". Scout has the [https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/c7/c718b0c234a3f5ff5fc8f0b99c3f64f0de4ccefe_full.jpg Scout avatar] (184x184 version from Steam), while Miss Pauling can use [https://i.imgur.com/bBLbzuP.png this]. I think the name could be something along what Scout would say, my suggestion, name it as "You are really frickin' sweet". That'd go nice, eh?
+::Secondly, I don't know who's going to be the Recipient. Should we create a Steam account just for that, or should we rely with another Video Demonstration Creator to do a collab? [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 23:55, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
+::<br> well how about we can hit two birds with one store and do the ring and the Upgrade to Premium Gift from the same two account?, First the two account would demostrate the Upgrade to Premium Gift which the sender should buy it from the store and send to the receiver who don't have premium. them Recycle the same account to do the ring. We could make a story out of it as well from friendship when a user gifted the premium to the other use then after few days they both got engaged via the sender would give the ring. It won't end up a awkward situation. but for this situation we need 4 people to do the ring tho 2 sender reciever, 2 regular tf2 player to recieved the message one in the tf2 main menu and the other while in-game[[User:Jomarcenter|Jomarcenter]] ([[User talk:Jomarcenter|talk]]) 14:27, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
+::::That's a cute story, but let's keep the demonstration to just one item (the ring), not the Upgrade to Premium Gift on top of it. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:17, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
+:::: I don't know what you're talking about, wind. Story time is clearly more important than the actual video. (but in all seriousness the two '''accounts''' would be okay to reuse right?) [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 04:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
+:::::Yeah, sure, it would just be two separate videos — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:39, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
+:::<br> I kind of thought the role playing names were unnnecessary to begin with, and could also cause confusion as to whether or not those texts always appear in game. But if WP or thed feels that's the best way to do it without commercializing it then oh well for me.
+::: The two steam accounts would be kinda hard to sync up (and would also be a waste of $100), i'm willing to be proposed to if no one else will :) [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
+::::No need for roleplaying. It's cool if you want to do it but totally optional. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 06:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
+</div></div>
+I guess I should give an update on this. I'm still up for doing this one. The plan was to do it with Cheddar but currently a lot of the community wanted to boycott spending money on the game because of the bot situation so Cheddar wanted to delay this until....idk when. Valve just banned the majority of the bots and new bot hosting accounts are getting banned as they're being created so I think now is as good as time as any to do this demo. But I can't do it by myself so I need to talk with Cheddar_ and see if he's still available for it or I need an assistant who's willing to help with it. [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 11:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
+:I get that you don't agree with the decision but the sassy "delayed until Idk I guess" comments are pretty annoying. No one can see in the future as to when stuff like this will cool down. If I say something like "do it in a week" and it's still an issue in a week, you would've been upset too.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 11:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
+:: I'm not trying to be sassy. I'm not complaining. Sorry if it comes off that way. That's not my intention. It's just been nearly two full months with zero communication about the status of the demonstration. Reservations are technically only valid for two weeks so I simply wanted to make sure that everyone knew that I was still planning to do it. [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 12:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
+:::I could be of assistance.  It seems that all of the bots are gone, so might as well do it now before anything else happens again.
+:::[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 03:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== [[File:Mannpower Powerup King.png|16px|link=Mannpower]] [[Mannpower]] powerups ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Demonstrate all powerups.}}<br>{{c|Show you can switch to the Grappling Hook under the effects of the Knockout powerup.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+Hello, I had a question about preforming/recording this demonstration. Mannpower has a domination mechanic (Not to be confused with [[Domination|dominations]]), this mechanic works by when a player has many more kills than other players on the enemy team, and so that player gets nerfs on their power ups. I'm guessing I would have to demonstrate this in the video, however I do not know how to activate it. I have not been able to activate this on myself in tr_karma, however even if I did, the player who is dominating does not get the message on their screen showing that they are dominating. The only effects the player who is dominating sees is they are marked for death if they have a power up, and a nerf on that power up for that player. I don't know how I would go about demonstrating the effects of domination mechanic, considering the viewer wouldn't know that being marked for death with a power up means you are dominating. If I were to get the domination mechanic to work, should I just show the class as marked for death, or something else? [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 01:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
+:This does sound hard to demonstrate. If you enable third-person mode, do you see the skull icon above the player's head in the 3D world (not on the HUD)? If so, here's a structure that might work:
+* Spawn enough enemies on the map such that you can reach domination status, and still have enough enemies left over to show that the effect isn't about killing *all* other enemies.
+* Start the demonstration in first-person mode.
+* Switch to third-person mode.
+* Kill enough enemies such that domination status appears.
+* Highlight the correlation between the third-person skull icon and the HUD one, for example by zooming in on both at once, or drawing a red box around both or something.
+Now you've established that "skull on HUD" = "having killed enough enemies".
+Now, demonstrate each powerup one by one. For each powerup, do a split-screen, with the left being non-dominating, and the right being already-in-dominating status. Pick up the powerup on both clips and demonstrate the effect. The skull icon being visible on the clip on the right should be enough of a hint that this is the cause. If not obvious enough, you can draw attention to it at the beginning of the clip, such as by drawing a red box over it or something.
+Hope this helps. I suggest doing a test demo with just one or two powerups demonstrated and posting it here first before doing all the work it would take to get this all done for all powerups, as there are a lot. (Perhaps each powerup should have its own video? That's a separate question...)
+— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
+:I might try my hand at this, but only after I finish my other demonstrations and receive feedback and corrections for them. [[User:Po1yb1ank|Po1yb1ank]] ([[User talk:Po1yb1ank|talk]]) 23:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Enchantment: Eternaween|icon=Backpack Enchantment Eternaween.png}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes =
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+= Action =
+== {{Demo Header|Fancy Spellbook}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Same as above, with the exception that the particle effects that emit on the hand are different.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-__NOTOC__
+== {{Demo Header|Fireproof Secret Diary}} ==
-= Weapons that need to be done =
+{{DemoEntry
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Cloak and Dagger|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Cloak and Dagger]] ==
+ | begin
-{{c|wait|Reserved by Dr. Huxley}}
+ | status = nodemo
-I've started out with a simplistic version of this. I show it in the loadout, then turn it on in First person. After waiting a few seconds to demonstrate the cloak doesn't drain when standing still, I walk around in a circle to show that it drains by moving. I walk over an ammopack both cloaked and uncloaked to demonstrate that picking up ammo doesn't recharge it. I walk around uncloaked a bit to show it recharges when moving uncloaked. Finally, I walk into an enemy medic to show that it will show an outline if you walk into an enemy. How's that? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Dr. Huxley|Dr. Huxley]]''' ([[User talk:Dr. Huxley|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Dr. Huxley|contribs]]) </small>
+ | reservation =
-:Take a look at the [[Invisibility Watch]] demo for things to show too. You need to show things like the Dispenser not recharging it, that it hides teleporter trails, etc. Also, make sure to demonstrate:
+ | changes = {{c|Same as above, with the exception that the particle effects that emit on the hand are different.}}
-* Drain speed is proportional to walking speed (move while crouching, move while jumping, etc)
+ | video =
-* When drained, the cloak does NOT auto-uncloak like the other watches, but stays in the "outline" mode (walk around cloaked until out of it, then keep running)
+}}
-* Has less cloak than the regular invisibility watch (Many people don't know this one for some reason); do a split-screen walking from one end of the room to the other (and back, if needed), with one side C&D and the other using the IW. Show that you can run farther in one charge with the IW, but you can still keep walking in "outline" mode with the C&D.
-— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:31, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-:: Righto, I'll redo that and keep that in mind. I don't see the need to almost completely redo the original Invis. Watch video though, but if that's what you mean, I'll do it. [[User:Dr. Huxley|Dr. Huxley]] 04:55, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
-:::Before you do that, please post the video you made so far, just to check if it meets the technical requirements. This is just a check, because if it doesn't, then both your and my time will go to waste D: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:07, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
+== {{Demo Header|Kritz or Treat Canteen}} ==
-I think it should have triple splitscreen showing the draining amount when youre falling/jumping, running and crouch-walking. --[[User:SandeProElite|SandeProElite]] 18:57, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== [[File:Heavyhumiliation.png|16px|link=Match outcomes]] [[Match outcomes]] ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | video =
+}}
+So there's a bit of a problem with showing the other angles with this demonstration, as you can't actually rotate the camera. Despite it being in third person, you cannot change the angle of the camera nor use +left or +right to make only the camera move. Any attempt to move the camera either doesn't work or makes the character move along with the camera. My original plan for this demonstration was the following:
+* Show a split screen with a player on RED team on one screen and player on BLU team on the other screen
+** The RED player would capture the intelligence on 2Fort, and the other screen would show the BLU player in humiliation after they lose
+*** This part would repeat for each class
+* It would then cut to tr_karma where I would rotate the camera around the class when they're standing, crouching, running, etc
+* After this I would move on to the next class until all of them are done<br>
+However I can't do this because I can't rotate the camera, does anyone have any ideas on how to rotate or have other ideas of how to demonstration and show the different angles? <br>[[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 22:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
+::How about just use the RED player to see the BLU humiliation animation. Like:
+::''RED player is the main camera, BLU player is a bot/a smaller pip/split screen in the video''
+::#BLU player stands beside the intel point
+::#RED player captures the intel and win the game
+::#BLU player enters humiliation
+::#RED player look at the BLU player
+::#BLU player moves around to show off the humiliation animation.
+::I feel like this also shows off the concept of "match outcomes", make the whole story connected via one team wins and see another team loses with humiliation animations. Do we have to use tr_karma map for demonstration? Is this demonstration video about "match outcomes" or "humiliation animations"?--[[User:AlexT|<span style="background:linear-gradient(#D1EEFC, #81F3FD);border:1px #99F3FD solid;color:#007FFF;border-radius:8px">'''Alex'''</span>]]┋[[User talk:AlexT|<span style="color: #FF6600;">'''T'''</span>]] 03:19, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
+:Simply using {{code|thirdperson_mayamode}} it would be possible to show off these animations from a stationary angle (turning your character rather than camera, although tr_karma/tr_target have no winning objective, so you'd need a different map for it (I suggest [[Thunder Mountain]] and standing in first BLU's spawn so it's still somewhat related to the tr_target map, using {{code|mp_bonusroundtime}} to extend the time at the end and just capping the first point).<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 11:01, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
+::I'm a bit confused on what you mean on the capping part, as you say to stay in BLU spawn, but also cap the point to win which would make BLU would win and RED would be in humiliation. Do you mean to make the time run out so RED wins instead? <br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 23:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
+:::Either works. Just any way to make the classes go into the humiliation pose. I personally wouldn't mind it that much if RED was in BLU spawn, but it's up to you.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 12:33, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
+::::I went in game to test out thirdperson_mayamode, and it does not work, as for some reason the losing animation isn't considered as in "thirdperson" by the game I think. Does anyone else have any other ideas? Only other way I can think of is using SourceTV, however I don't know how to set that up. <br> [[User:Andrew360|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#038d3a ">Andrew360</span>]] [[File:Edit_icon.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Andrew360]] [[File:Taunt Rancho Relaxo.png|25px|link=User_talk:Andrew360]] 01:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+= Taunts =
+== {{Demo Header|Crushing Defeat}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = review needed
+ | reservation = [[User:Decimate|Decimate]] ([[User talk:Decimate|talk]]) 10:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lp002wgm5LqejROByLUDs8phSj7XLH7o/view?usp=sharing
+}}
+I would say it is a little bit too fast, but this is just my opinion, let the moderators decide.<br>[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 17:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Peace Out}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = review needed
+ | reservation = [[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Mediarch'''}}]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[User talk:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Talk'''}}]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''My Edits'''}}]] 16:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Xy0hruZYyu6Sn3X6AAsh_SXTAzyDhHm3/view?usp=sharing
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Commending Clap}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = review needed
+ | reservation = [[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 17:13, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WKJM8eyVsJ2SmWnZHpNT5eqpziRvbiqh/view?usp=drive_link
+}}
+The transitions between classes need a little work. You can see the inventory including the other taunts like Conga and Killer Joke when you first click on the taunt for a couple frames. For the outro I usually fade out the game audio so the ambient noise fades as the screen fades out. Other than that I think it looks good but I'm not a mod or anything just my two cents. Also, I would probably wait for the taunt to be tradable just so the text isn't on there. [[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Mediarch'''}}]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[User talk:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Talk'''}}]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''My Edits'''}}]] 22:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Punchline}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = review needed
+ | reservation = [[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Contribs'''</font>]] 16:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rU0tPt9mXMDmFYOszNOdW9KKiuTyUtd1/view?usp=sharing
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+= Need to be redone =
+== {{Demo Header|Fortified Compound}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation = [[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] 15-10-2024 18:00
+ | changes = {{c|Update to use post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage (4 dmg/tick for 7.5 seconds, previously 3 dmg/tick for 10 seconds).}}
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Crusader's Crossbow}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Ubercharge gain rate is reduced in the same way that the Medi Gun's healing (and therefore, Ubercharge build rate) is - it is based on the last time the target was in combat.}}<br>{{c|Does not show that if you try to heal up an enemy Spy, Über is not built.}}<br>{{c|Does not show that if you heal an enemy player through a Pyro's reflect, Über is built.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+I removed the clip from the previous demonstration when the medic is building his übercharge with the crossbow, the actual changes make it way too long. [https://youtu.be/Ssaodg-dl7g Video] — [[User:Thedop|Thedop]] ([[User talk:Thedop|talk]]) 14:44, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
+:The picture-in-picture clip is too large and covers the center of the main video's vision. So when the heavy/spy turns to see the medic, it just doesn't show up on the screen. Please decrease the size of the picture-in-picture — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
+::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6asv69_x0o&feature=youtu.be Second try] — [[User:Thedop|Thedop]] ([[User talk:Thedop|talk]]) 06:45, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
+:::The Minigun is still hiding the medic when he's firing... — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:07, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
+::::''*sigh*'' Thedop's demonstration has been in hiatus for two years. Maybe I can make my own demonstration if Thedop doesn't mind. — [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] <sub>(they/them)</sub> ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Exaskliri|contribs]]) 06:43, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
+:::::Demonstration reservations are only valid for 2 weeks. If the reservation tag remains on a video and no action has happened since, you can ignore the reservation and replace it with a reservation of your own. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
+::::::Oh, and by the way, don't forget to add a demonstration of healing afterburn (probably the most common type of status effect). [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 23:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
+::::::: Definitely doable for making an entry about using Crossbow at point blank range to both hit enemies and heal teammates. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 21:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
+I'm going to at least make an attempt at this since the last discussion regarding the Crossbow demonstration was two years ago. Any advice would be appreciated, since this is my first wiki contribution. (And yes, I know how to edit) [[User:Jk6419|Jk6419]] ([[User talk:Jk6419|talk]]) 02:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
+:Due to IRL responsibilities that have recently popped up, I am removing my reservation. My apologies. [[User:Jk6419|Jk6419]] ([[User talk:Jk6419|talk]]) 04:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== {{Demo Header|Holiday Punch}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Does not demonstrate that disguised spies do not laugh from Holiday Punch.}}<br>{{c|Does not demonstrate interaction between cloaked spies and Holiday Punch crits.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+I kind of felt Holiday Punch could possibly be redone such that it demonstrates its interaction with cloaked and disguised spies. [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 08:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
+:Not very practical, but sure, if anyone's up for it — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
+::Not sure if I have to create a new section for the Holiday Punch or add information on an already existing one, but there's several things that probably should also be demonstrated:
+::{{c|Demonstrate that enemies underwater doesn't laugh on the back / critical hits, which therefore, they don't receive damage}} (The map used for demonstrations does not have water, though)
+::{{c|Demonstrate that punching an enemy at the back / doing a critical hit on an enemy that is jumping / is on the air, has no effect, and does no damage}}
+::{{c|Demonstrate that it's possible to tickle enemies that are being Ubercharged, possibly include both the patient and the Medic being tickled}}
+::* Tickle the patient first, show that it's still in the effects of Uber, and tickle the Medic second, that would probably be more ideal, so it shows that when a Medic is tickled, his target loses the healing / ubercharge
+::* Perhaps also demonstrate the Quick-Fix ubercharge, since it mentions it blocks "movement-impairing effects", which isn't the case for the Holiday Punch (I'm pretty sure you can still get tickled with the Quick-Fix uber)
+::{{c|Demonstrate that a Scout with the effects of Bonk! can be tickled}}
+::{{c|Demonstrate that a Soldier with the Battalion's Backup active, as well his teammates receiving the Backup effect, can still be tickled}}
+:: A few other ones that I am unsure about:
+::{{c|Demonstrate that it's not possible to tickle robots and giant robots on MVM}} (I don't think we often make MVM-related stuff on these demonstrations, unless it's an unique mechanic like the Projectile Shield)
+::{{c|Demonstrate that an enemy who is taunting does not get tickled, and that it receives no damage on critical hits}} [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 04:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
+:::The <code>tr_karma_rc1</code> map has water (see [[Sydney Sleeper]] demonstration [https://youtu.be/95qD-3XF8ws?t=132 here]). I use that map for demonstrations, as it is preferred (according to the Weapon Demonstration page). — [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] <sub>({{gender:Exaskliri|he/him|she/her|they/them}})</sub> ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Exaskliri|contribs]]) 09:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
+:::No to the Quick-Fix + Bonk + Battalion's Backup things; as the project page states, non-stock item interactions are usually not demonstrated, in order to avoid having a full explosion of weapon interactions to demonstrate. The Quick Fix one also sounds like a bug, so usually that isn't worth demonstrating either because it has marginal utility and may eventually get patched, which would just create more video work later down the line. But all the other points are good to demonstrate, so +1 that a redo is in order for this one — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
+I have an idea on how the new video might be represented:
+'''Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic, Spy)'''
+*Do the same actions as was done in the original video
+'''Part 2: Basic Interactions'''
+Do the same actions as was done in the original video, demonstrating Kritzkrieg on Soldier (via friendly Medic) and Jarate on Demoman (via friendly Sniper), plus another for Medic interactions.
+'''Part 2a:'''
+# Approach friendly Kritzkrieg Medic, who has full charge
+# Get charged with the Kritzkrieg buff
+# Keep punching the enemy Soldier until the buff wears off
+# Punch again while the buff is off, and keep doing it until the Soldier dies
+'''Part 2b:'''
+# Approach friendly Sniper holding Jarate
+# Let the Sniper throw Jarate at the enemy Demoman
+# Attack the Demoman normally while he is Jarated
+# Attack the Demoman from behind while he is Jarated
+# Kill the Demoman normally again while he is Jarated
-Here's my first draft at this video. I thought it might be good to 'throw everything in' so to speak, to make it easier to see which parts to cut; it's intentionally long. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDWesVeLOYY [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 23:03, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
+'''Part 2c:'''
-:The main aspect of the C&D is movement-dependent cloak drain/regen, and I feel that this video doesn't show that obviously enough. It is demonstrated at the beginning but quickly and without transition between "states". Take your time, wait at least 1 seconds before (and after, if it applies) changing direction/crouching/standing up, etc. Also, it needs to demonstrate that it regenerates while uncloaked+moving.
+# '''(This is where the new stuff begins)''' Approach an enemy Medic who is healing a <s>friendly</s> enemy Scout with his Medi Gun
-:As for what should be cut, I think the teleporter destruction part can be left out, as well as the cloak+disguise demo from 1:20 to 1:50. Also a pretty important thing is to show the enemy's vision of the cloak; for the regular IW, it was fine to use the engineer's voice commands to indicate vision/not-vision, but here it is not because the spy can be either invisible, visible, or semi-visible, but what is shown here is from a BLU perspective, so we see the spy all the time. So what I'd suggest to do is to respawn the Engineer mid-demo (while you're not looking in his direction) and record things from his POV; then use that as the central video during the last part instead of a third person view. Yes, this requires him to be a human player or to use a SourceTV demo, but I believe it's worth it :3 Also, since it's a long demo, feel free to do it in multiple parts joined together with fades, too. It's frustrating it is when you do everything right except one small little thing at the end of the take... Doing it in multiple parts helps — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:54, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
+# Attack the Scout from the front and behind
+# Enemy Medic activate Medi Gun invulnerability
+# Do the same as Step 2 onto Scout except while Übercharged
+# Do the same as Step 4 except on Medic
-== [[File:Red_Mini_Sentry.png|16px]] [[Combat Mini-Sentry Gun]] ==
+'''Part 3: Versus Mittens Heavy'''
-splitscreen between 2 of any class, demonstrate how the minisentry builds faster, then have soldiers fire a few rockets at both sentries to demonstrate how the minisentry has less health. {{subst:EpicCombine}}
+# Approach the enemy Mittens Heavy
-:Also needs to demonstrate that it builds with full health, that it can't be upgraded, and that you can't repair it — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:13, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
+# Attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. Watch him laugh.
+# Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. Watch yourself laugh.
+# Mittens Heavy will swap out Holiday Punch for Minigun.
+# Attack the Heavy with your Holiday Punch.
+# Swap your Holiday Punch for the Shotgun
+# Mittens Heavy will swap out Minigun for Holiday Punch
+# Let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch.
+# '''(This is where the new stuff begins)''' Jump, and while mid-air let the Mittens Heavy attack you with his Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
+# Go behind the Mitten Heavy's back
+# Let the Mittens Heavy jump, and attack the Mittens Heavy with your Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
-hmmm... lemme try and formulate a plan here...
+'''Part 4: Spy Interactions'''
-*Start with splitscreen, one normal sentry and one mini-sentry still in their toolboxes.
+View from the Heavy's and Spy's points of view, with a smaller video on the top-right (or something like that) for the Spy's point of view.
-*synchronize videos to show how the mini-sentry builds faster
+# Approach the enemy Spy
-*start hitting both sentries with wrench (first sentry upgrades to lvl 2, minisentry does nothing)
+# Let the enemy Spy cloak
-*have soldier fire at both sentries from a distance; hit both sentries with wrench again(to demonstrate that the minisentry can't repair health)
+# Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.
-*just to show that it isn't useless, switch scene to a battle vid with the sentry in action with a splitscreen between normal sentry and minisentry; show scout shooting at sentry while it slowly builds and destroying it, while the minisentry builds fast enough that it can do some significant damage.
+# Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)
-*end movie
+# Attack the Spy with your Holiday Punch from behind. There should be no laugh.
-how about that? leave a tip when ya got the time. [[User:EpicCombine|EpicCombine]] 01:53, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
+'''Part 5: Taunts and Water'''
+# Let the enemy Engineer taunt from his Shotgun. It should be the one where he dances around.
+# While the enemy Engineer is taunting, attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
+# Repeat Steps 1 and 2 except attack him from the front.
+# The enemy Engineer runs to the water. Follow him into the water.
+# Attack him from behind with the Holiday Punch. There should be no laugh.
-:My suggestion: horizontal splitscreen as you said, then...
+'''Part 6: Robots'''
-:*Deploy sentries and leave them build by themselves to show building speed differences.
+# Approach an enemy Robot, preferably the Holiday Punch Heavy Robot.
-:*Spawn an enemy bot (Pyro?) and let the sentries kill him to show the firing rate/damage differences.
+# Attack him with your Holiday Punch from the front, and then attack him from behind. There should be no laugh.
-:*Spawn an enemy Scout bot ouside sentry range and let him destroy the sentries with the pistol. Mini-SG should go down first.
-:*Reset the screen.
-:*With an enemy Soldier bot already present, deploy the sentries. When they're still building have the Soldier shoot a rocket. Hopefully the SG will be destroyed, while the Mini-SG survives.
-:*Reset the screen again.
-:*Deploy sentries and once both fully operational, have a enemy disguised Spy sap them. Wait a little before whacking off the Sapper. After a bit start repair them both. Mini-SG will not be repaired, SG will be. Keep hitting to upgrade the stock SG, while the Mini-SG won't do anything and be left damaged.
-:What do you think?--[[User:Kid Of The Century|Kid Of The Century]] 18:03, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
-:All good, but remember that building demos should include all levels. On top of the mini/regular comparisons, there should also be (not at the same time, but probably before) comparisons between sentry levels. Firepower, rotation speed difference (this should also be shown on the minisentry, since it rotates faster), sapping time difference, (reflectable (this has to be shown, yes)) rockets on level 3. Should also include some range demonstration (walking in and out of a sentry's range, showing the range sphere when building) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:49, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Cow Mangler 5000|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Cow Mangler 5000]] ==
+<s>[[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 02:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)</s> <s>[[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 02:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC)</s> [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 10:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
+:Very detailed, nice. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:48, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
+::By the way, I also think that it would be helpful to add a section dedicating to observing a duration comparison for all [[Schadenfreude]] taunts. I have a feeling that the length of the taunt has an impact on gameplay of the Holiday Punch. So maybe we could do a section where 9 Holiday Punch Heavies simultaneously attack one of each class, which demonstrates the time it would take to get out of the forced animation.  [[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 01:41, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
+:::Might be cool if only for the comedy of it all. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
+::::On "Part 4 - Let the enemy Spy uncloak and disguise as any class (maybe the Heavy again)", why not make the Spy disguise as the Heavy, and make sure that the Holiday Punch is active? The Spy won't be able to laugh, but I wonder if you (the player), would laugh. In case that happens, then it would be important to also showcase trying to punch the Spy from behind without having him with the Holiday Punch active. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 03:19, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
+:::::Actually, never mind. For some reason I thought you also laughed with who you just punched that is also wearing the mittens (it commonly happens when both Heavies hold their left clicks after being tickled). But, the Spy wearing the Holiday Punch may be the best scenario here, so it shows that the disguise is not lost (although make sure to show also without the mittens active, and, when the mittens is active for Spy, punch him from the back, then punch him from the front). [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 13:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-I got my Cow Mangler 5000 yesterday.  I'll be willing to record it, but this is my first time.  Gimme a few days and I'll do what I can.  [[User:CHINESE TIGER|CHINESE TIGER]] 13:09, 21 July 2011 (PDT)
+== {{Demo Header|Power Up Canteen}} ==
-:Wow, I guess I'll hand the reins over then.  [[User:CHINESE TIGER|CHINESE TIGER]] 13:39, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
+{{DemoEntry
+  | begin
+  | status = nodemo
+  | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|doesn't show Canteen Specialist upgrades like Battery Canteens demo does}}
+  | video =
+}}
-I'd like to give it a shot too, this is my first time too and would love to do more. So far I've recorded the basics, pyro airblast with both normal and charged shots, rocket jump, showed the disable buildings effect, showed a charged shot in a group of enemies, and did a side by side comparison of regular rocket to the 5000 when shooting at lvl 1, 2 and 3 sentries. Oh, and the taunt. Anything else I might add or should I take something out? [[User:Dweezy|Dweezy]] 10:50, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
+I feel like I can do a demonstration for this one. But my canteen is a crafted version so it has my username on it. Is that acceptable ? [[User:Kaezle|Kaezle]] ([[User talk:Kaezle|talk]]) 04:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
-:Did you show how a rocket can bounce enemies? Essentially, you should duplicate the rocket launcher video with the mangler, and then show the charged shot and building mechanics. Also, you should post your video, because if there are technical issues, you want to catch those before you do any more recording. Trust me; it's far more pleasant not to have to re-record everything just because you forgot to turn on anti-aliasing or something. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 11:56, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
+: If you right click on it you should be able to remove that. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 06:22, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
-:What Armisael said :3— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 13:53, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
+::I think the stock version (Normal quality) should be used over the Unique one, considering all players have it. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 04:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
-Although there was an update today, I was in the middle of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88HgGD32B1Q uploading this demonstration.] I know this won't get uploaded, but if I were to remake it, would I need to do it exactly like this or change a few things up? BTW, the building-disabling portion, all the buildings are Level 3, showing that if the highest can be disabled, the lower levels can be, too. --[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 15:22, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-:Long, but that's how complex the weapon is, so that's alright :3 What isn't alright is the video quality :( The effects look visibly better than that if you turn up the video options. However, I've noticed that your computer is already struggling with them, especially at 2:30 where the video freezes for half a second. So I recommend recording a demo file at low graphics quality (so that's it's smooth), then turn up the graphics to the max and render it with Source Recorder, then prepend the Fraps-recorded backpack part :3
-:'''EDIT''': Apparently the weapon is invisible in source demos. So that's gonna be tough D: Not to steal anyone else's work, but my computer can probably handle it being recorded by Fraps. Just need to get me one of those weapons :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:45, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
-:Did the update affect any of the 5000 mechanics pertinent to making the demo? If Akuago or anyone else gets this finished before I do, no sweat. Using this as practice since I'm new to this. I uploaded a sample of what I've been recording to get input on quality and procedure. I have a segment that shows the 5000 disabling all buildings at Level 3, is that alright? Also, is it good to show how many shots it takes to bring down a sentry to illustrate the building damage increase? If so, how many buildings to use; all 3 levels for the sentry? I have a segment for lv1, lv2, lv3 and can do a Rocket Launcher side-by-side comparison if needed. I only need to record rocket bouncing, uncharged and charged. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ2B7fv6uYQ --[[User:Dweezy|Dweezy]] 17:01, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
-::Alright then~ As Armisael said, it is important that, since you're new to this, you post videos often so that you don't pour too much effort in a video that doesn't meet the requirements >: And indeed, this one doesn't. So here's the why's:
-* When the video starts, the mouse should already be on the weapon and the tooltip should already be present
-* Don't rotate the model in the backpack view; position it at a nice angle before starting the recording, and don't touch it afterwards
-* Lacks music (though you probably already know that). There are no training songs that are long enough for this, but you can ask people here to make a mix long enough, or simply queue up a bunch of them until they add up to the whole video's duration
-* Backpack view is too long (shouldn't take more than 10 seconds, ignore the fact that the weapon's tooltip is really huge)
-* Forgot to reload at 0:51
-* The Pyro is wearing the Degreaser. Unless necessary, keep the inventory of all players involved to the closest to stock inventory as possible (in this case, regular Flamethrower)
-** (For reflection demonstrations, you can do them with bots; you don't need a human player)
-* The audio progressively gets out of sync as the video progresses. This is especially noticeable from 2:53 onwards as you fire the rockets
-* Forgot to reload at the end
-Those points would apply to any demonstration. Now for the stuff that is specific to this demonstration:
-* Akuago's way of showing damage on buildings and building disabledness is a bit more elegant (and less noisy), so imitate that
-* No need to put that many people to demonstrate the huge projectile
-* Show rocket jumping with the big projectile
-However, the graphics in this video are good :3 No flaws on that parts.
-Keep up the good work~
-(Also, the weapon's stats and damage were changed again in a patch just a few minutes ago. So yes, everything has to be re-recorded again, since the damage numbers and reload rate are invalid now) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:42, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
+== {{Demo Header|Chargin' Targe}}, {{Demo Header|Tide Turner}}, and {{Demo Header|Splendid Screen}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = review needed
+ | reservation = [[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 13:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
+ | changes = {{c|Should be redone to show that charging with the shields remove debuffs}}
+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P9-IDAoG6cQU53pGsFpNgGPxK3Di9uP-/view?usp=sharing
+}}
-Thanks for the feedback, it's very much appreciated! I'll be fixing things up but I don't want to let that stop anyone from doing theirs as they might be far ahead of me already. Also, is it important to show if the 5000 can light the huntsman? [[User:Dweezy|Dweezy]] 19:45, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
+Should these be redone to show that they remove debuffs such as Jarate, bleeding, afterburn, etc.? If so, which effects should I specifically show?<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 08:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
-:That'd be pretty cool trivia actually, but not sure if it's that useful. Do it if you feel like it — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:48, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
+:{{c|yes}}, the effects that should show are just some of them, not all
+:* Soaking, Jarate is preferable as it make the screen yellow tint.
+:* Fire, simple burn from Flamethrower.
+:* Bleeding, from Southern Hospitality?
+:* Mark for death, from Fan O'War
+:I think those are all. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 12:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
+::Yes, that would all be good. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
-It appears the ramp-up for the regular shots will be modified again shortly, so in my opinion it would be safe to wait some days to make the video. {{n}}[[File:User_Ohyeahcrucz_Sig.png|20px|sub]] [[User:Ohyeahcrucz|<span style="text-shadow:blue 0px 0px 0px;font-size:13px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="blue">Ohyeahcrucz]]</font></span>  <span style="font-size:10px;font-weight:bold;font-family: helvetica"><font color="black"><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User_talk:Ohyeahcrucz|T]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[Special:Contributions/Ohyeahcrucz|C]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></font></span> 19:47, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
+I think the Eyelander clip should probably be synced up better, or go one after another. I think the flame stuff should be done using the Flamethrower instead, as getting killed shows "Pyro carrying Cheddar's", try to also get a clip with a Pyro firing their Flamethrower and you charging through it, showing that if you get hit after the charge starts the debuffs don't get removed. Otherwise, looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
-:Well just in case if that update does not case any noticeable changes (it might, but just in case), [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dFNrnozynQ here's my updated version.] --[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 13:38, 25 July 2011 (PDT)
-::I don't know what you did, but that did fix the framerate issues... Still not perfect though: The Pyro is named "Pyro1", and during the Dispenser damage comparison, you should always reload fully. Not only would this comply with the reloading guidelines thingy, it would also be faster (thus relevant to the comparison), because it is faster to shoot 5 rockets then reload 5 rockets than it is to {shoot 1 rocket then reload 1 rocket} 5 times. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:39, 25 July 2011 (PDT)
-:Updated. Damage ramp is now the same as regular RL. {{n}}[[File:User_Ohyeahcrucz_Sig.png|20px|sub]] [[User:Ohyeahcrucz|<span style="text-shadow:blue 0px 0px 0px;font-size:13px;font-family: Tf2 Build"><font color="blue">Ohyeahcrucz]]</font></span>  <span style="font-size:10px;font-weight:bold;font-family: helvetica"><font color="black"><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User_talk:Ohyeahcrucz|T]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[Special:Contributions/Ohyeahcrucz|C]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></font></span> 17:24, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-Okay, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrCuy2aeqyU here's yet again another attempt from yours truly.] [http://www.mediafire.com/?hhyi3ijq24i63ti Download it here.] --[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 00:22, 28 July 2011 (PDT)
-:Perfect, thanks~ Let's hope they don't change it again... They soon will, though, to add some kill icons for some of those things — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:36, 28 July 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Dead Ringer|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Dead Ringer]] ==
+:Looks good, only missing the clip with the mid-charge debuff being applied. You can do this using Jarate too if you find that easier (since it has splash).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
-Hello, guys! Now I'm working on Dead Ringer demonstration, and I have some questions about it:
-* what kind of the possibilities of [[Dead Ringer]] must be shown
-* there must be only 1'st person view or 1'st and 3'rd?
-Well, thats all about what I want to ask you [[File:User-Gringo_Perm.jpg|40px|link=User:Gringo_perm]] [[User:Gringo perm|<span style="text-shadow:black 1px 2px 2px;font-size:13px; line-height:16px;font-family:TF2 Build, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif;" class="qua_community">Gringo perm</span>]] 17:35, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
-:Alright:
-* First, that it doesn't make you invisible when you activate it
-* Can only be activated at full charge
-* Activates on hit
-* Doesn't remove teleporter trails (I think...)
-* Has "Super cloak" (doesn't show outline when bumping against enemies)
-* Makes loud sound on uncloak
-* Can be recharged by ammo pack and dispensers while cloaked but extra cloak time is not "Super cloak"
-* Disguising as an enemy makes you drop the spy corpse on trigger, while disguising as an ally makes you drop that class's corpse on death
-* Can be self-triggered by fall-damage
-* Can be used to extinguish fire
-That's all I can think of~ And yes, there will probably have to be third-person views (and views from the enemy side, in order to show the corpse drop for example). This is a tough demo that I don't think can be pulled off using bots alone — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:55, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
-I would also suggest that having really low HP (i.e. 1 or 2 HP) will not bail you out from heavy-hitting weapons, even with the Dead Ringer out. Maybe make an example of the Decloaking sound, noting that it's much mroe louder than the Invis Watch or Cloak & Dagger. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 11:00, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
+::Looks good, the only thing I would change (if the demo needs other changes) is to have the Jarate in the second Jarate clip be thrown on you mid-way through the charge, rather than at the start (but after you already started charging).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::The fire overlay doesn't appear in the fire clip · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 03:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-hey guys i made the dead ringer movie
+== {{Demo Header|Quick-Fix}} ==
-if you find any mistakes pm me.
+{{DemoEntry
-if it's good tell me and i'll upload it.
+ | begin
-hope you'll like it :)
+ | status = nodemo
-[http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XHN01BJI Link.]
+ | reservation =
-—[[User:StrongTube1|StrongTube1]] 13:39, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
+ | changes =
-:First, please upload it to YouTube as unlisted like the submission guidelines say~
+ | video =
-:Second, this video has quite a lot of problems, some technical and some content-wise. I'll only list the technical ones first so that you focus on these first, because no video can be accepted if they don't fit those:
+}}
-* Video is letterboxed (has black bars on top and bottom)
-* Video looks scaled up (as if it were recorded at a lower resolution and enlarged)
-* Framerate is a bit sluggish sometimes, especially when a new model is loaded (getting killed, or taking out the dead ringer)
-* There is "www.fraps.com" on top of all the video
-* Knife crit animation not playing (though you shouldn't need to backstab anything in this video since it's demonstrating the watch, not the knife)
-— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:47, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon= Detonator|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Detonator]] ==
+<div class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:100%">
-: I got detonator yesterday. Is any speacial need to do in this weapon demostration? [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 07:25, 27 June 2011 (PDT)
+Old reservation (29 April 2021)
-::I think you might want to wait a bit to see if they add flarejumping to it, which would require to re-do the video. Otherwise no, nothing special — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:35, 27 June 2011 (PDT)
+<div class="mw-collapsible-content" style="width:100%; text-align:left">
-I think i can demonstrate the detonator. wait a bit... - [[User:Turr375|Turr375]] 21:13, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
-::Nevermind, tf2 crashes : hl2.exe has stopped working, and i don't know the solution *Help* [[User:Turr375|Turr375]] 21:21, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::Sadly that's kind of what every error does :( So no, I don't know what the error is — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:43, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::You know where i can refer to? [[User:Turr375|Turr375]] 23:01, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::::Steam support or the Steam forums, probably, but no matter what you do, they're probably going to need more information than that >: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:22, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
-I'm an avid user of the detonator, I could try this one too. I know how to flarejump with it so I was thinking about using the wired mesh in the middle of the map to jump on as an example. I tried to stick to the flaregun demonstration video. Let me know if I'm headed in the right direction with this one. (I tried doing my first video for the Cow Mangler 5000 but that weapon was a bit too complicated for a beginner like me.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmZKRimYl-0 [[User:Dweezy|Dweezy]] 23:27, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
-:The ending was a bit sloppy (detonator jumping) and the taunt was not like the original. So I redid it and uploaded another one. It's in 1080p too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsuUQqy-Eyc [[User:Dweezy|Dweezy]] 00:23, 25 July 2011 (PDT)
-::I just realized I didn't rotate the model correctly in the beginning <_<. Besides that, I will wait for comments until I do another. :) [[User:Dweezy|Dweezy]] 00:25, 25 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::There's that, and there's also that you used a (visible and audible) ammo pack right in front of the wooden fence. If you ran the config, you can use the "B" key to get resupplied on ammo without noise. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:39, 25 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::I am using the script but I wasn't able to use "b" to reload current ammo. I can bind it in the console manually but I don't know the command to make the 'locker supply cabinet' sound silent when the ammo is being replenished.
-::::*I could replenish while I am reloading right when I detonator jump (the reloading sound disappears while shooting/reloading) but would it be a problem to see the ammo count jump from 1 to 16?
-::::*Or I could quickly take a detour while on my way to the fence and pick up the soldier's ammo...[[User:Dweezy|Dweezy]] 03:16, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-:'''EDIT''': So I fixed my previous errors and made detonator jumping look better with horizontal and vertical jumps over some obvious 'can't normally jump there' distances.
-:::*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXgA4EzDR9s
-:::*http://www.mediafire.com/?xoj9a520tp20281 [[User:Dweezy|Dweezy]] 10:40, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-:Sorry, the config file successively binds two commands to b, resulting in only one of them actually being bound... The command is "givecurrentammo". Bind it to any key~ Looks like you did it anyway by picking up the Rocket Launcher, which is ok too. So yay~ Thanks, will be uploaded — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:10, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-Alright, I finished a demonstration of the Detonator, please let me know if there is anything that I should fix. Thank you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxONzC2qgUM http://www.mediafire.com/?xr6489vz845dl38 --[[User:Mellotaku|Mellotaku]] 06:47, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
+{{c|What I've done in addition to the existing one (the timestamp in the parentheses are the old/new ones):}}
-::As a fellow wiki user making the same video, you might be detonating the flare too close to the medic since you want to be showing the weapon's blast radius. It looks as if you could still hit the medic if you didn't detonate the flare. Also, you can crouch-jump onto payloads, fyi. [[User:Dweezy|Dweezy]] 10:41, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=74 1:14]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=84 1:24]) On the first scene demonstrating the Quick-Fix's basic functions, I did the same as the old one, plus damaging myself and the patient Heavy while being Ubered, demonstrating that the Quick-Fix's Uber doesn't reduce incoming damage. I also damaged myself (the Medic) twice instead of once.
-:It seems this video has been removed. It's a shame that two people have done the demonstration at the same time... Sorry Mellotaku >: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:10, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=129 2:09]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=159 2:39]) When demonstrating the Quick-Fix's heal rate in comparison to the stock [[Medi Gun]], while mostly the same, I used a recently-injured Heavy, so that the heal rate (for each medigun) is at the slowest. I used an offscreen pistol Engineer (hence why the starting HP is 14), teleport commands, and <code>r_cleardecals</code>, so it should look neat.
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=137 2:17]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=181 3:01]) I demonstrated the knockback immunity from Quick-Fix's Uber the same way, but now there's health and Ubercharge HUD.
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=176 2:56]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=227 3:47]) I did the "mirror blast jumping" part outdoors, although it might not look neat. I'm sorry.
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=206 3:26]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=257 4:17]) I demonstrated crit healing (after the recipient doesn't take damage for 10-15 seconds) with the Quick-Fix's Uber in addition to the non-Uber Quick-Fix. Yes, the 3x healing rate Uber stacks with the crit heal.
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=233 3:53]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=416 6:56]) I redid the "Uber build rate comparison on different HP threshold" because the old one didn't have the Quick-Fix as the second healing beam, hence it doesn't explain if the second healing beam alone would slow down the Quick-Fix's Uber build rate (the Quick-Fix has 125% maximum overheal, lower than the usual Uber build rate penalty at 142.5% overheal).
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=266 4:26]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=306 5:06]) I demonstrated the Quick-Fix maximum overheal limit and decay rate on Scout vs. Heavy as well as comparing it to the stock [[Medi Gun]]'s overheal in addition to the "maintain overheal above 125%" that the old video demonstrated. For the last part, I only used one Heavy, as the aforementioned added demonstrations make up for that, and I maintained the overheal above and below 142.5% overheal (Uber build rate comparison) as well as healing the Heavy when the overheal goes down below 125%.
+# ([https://youtu.be/mWbjD7LjtVg?t=286 4:46]/[https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=512 8:32]) For the "healing disguised Spy" part, I have two enemy bots (Heavy and Demoman) so that the Spy doesn't disguise as a Demoman named "Medic". Both bots are injured, so my disguise will be healed, too.
+{{c|The new ones (the timestamps refer to the new demonstration):}}
+# ([https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=459 7:39]) Demonstrating stock [[Medi Gun]]'s Uber vs. Quick-Fix's Uber (the latter doesn't reduce incoming damage, but prevents incoming knockback unlike the former) and the fact that they have same duration (barring the stock's lingering effect). Also has Quick-Fix's Uber without incoming rockets to demonstrate that the duration is the same.
+# ([https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U?t=478 7:58]) Ubering multiple teammates at the same time drain faster than Ubering a single teammate alone. Also, only the aforementioned Ubering multiple teammates drains Uber faster; Ubering an injured teammate drains at the same rate as Ubering a healthy teammate (fully overhealed) and not healing someone when Ubered.
+<br>
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Disciplinary Action|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Disciplinary Action]] ==
+:I did the "Uber draining when dropped" part, but both mediguns show "Dropped by Exaskliri." Is it allowed? I gave the bot the Quick-Fix via bot_mirror command. https://youtu.be/0ZlwvHZrjdU [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 04:27, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
-I made the Demonstration video for this weapon since there was none and it was needed.
+::Nothing you can do about that, that's just how it shows. Shouldn't be too noticeable and there's no point in going through the trouble of setting up a server and getting a buddy to join only so it doesn't show. Though the confusion on where the quick-fix actually is should be redone so it doesn't look like you are looking for it.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 10:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
-Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UACfcwT5vHQ
+:# I just did the "mirroring the explosive jump" part, though I don't think it looks neat. Is it OK? https://youtu.be/NQo1iTxQSEA [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 03:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
-http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YEMHUIK3
+:# Just finished the whole demonstration. I just need to attach the segments. [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 15:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
+:# Just finished <s>uploading</s> re-uploading the new Quick-Fix demonstration video to YouTube and MediaFire.
+::# https://youtu.be/hj5FuFVFV2U
+::# https://www.mediafire.com/file/kx7kbaik5vwpwyj/Quick-Fix_Weapon_Demonstration_Video.mp4/file
+:::[[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 08:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
+:::: I don't see any problems, except for the the explosive jumps scenes, that looks a bit laggy, and in general the quality, that seems to be more like a rendering issue, though shouldn't be a problem · [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] ([[User talk:Ashe|talk]]) 04:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
+: I'm fixing the video right now (quieting projector sound, incorrect fade out time, etc.). Gotta reupload soon. [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 10:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
+: Just uploaded the fixed version of the [[Quick-Fix]] demonstration video. [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 13:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
+::This is spectacular work, thanks a lot! Just two comments, none of which should require a lot of work to fix hopefully:
+* Video quality also seems to have the same artifacts as the Winger demonstration. Please increase the bitrate. Unlike the Winger demonstration, I understand that a demonstration this long could take forever and use a lot of bandwidth to upload twice (to YouTube and to MediaFire), so if the video quality is approved for the Winger demonstration is good enough and you've used the same settings for re-rendering this demonstration, feel free to just upload the higher-quality Quick Fix demonstration to MediaFire only, in order to avoid having to upload the huge file twice.
+* There is an audio/video glitch at 9:56 - 9:57.
+— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
+:::You finally responded! Thank you so much. The video/audio glitch is from the .dem recording, so I had to conduct another play, especially since it involves another player. [[User:Exaskliri|Exaskliri]] ([[User talk:Exaskliri|talk]]) 15:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
+::::Alright. Can you upload the new version? — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
+</div></div>
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-PS: I know it`s not very good and may have some mistakes, but if needed, I will edit it to make it how it should look properly, please, tell me what`s wrong and what should be improved. <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:TheHatlessMan|TheHatlessMan]]''' ([[User talk:TheHatlessMan|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/TheHatlessMan|contribs]]) </small>
+== {{Demo Header|Kritzkrieg}} ==
-:That's not bad :3 Meets all the technical requirements too. Some things, however, do need to be changed:
+{{DemoEntry
-* The mouse must be on the item when the video starts (the tooltip must be visible at the very beginning)
+ | begin
-* The Disciplinary Action has a very long melee range (longer than the Eyelander, so you should demonstrate that by taking shots from afar. For example, I think you may be able to do two hits on the Pyro without jumping out of the fence. I may be wrong though... Anyway, try to hit some bots from a little further a few times
+ | status = review needed
-* Remove the Spy from the scene, since there is no tauntkill
+ | reservation = [[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 22:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
-* The speedup doesn't need to be a comparison, since the Soldier's speed changes at will. To be more clear, what I mean is that a split-screen isn't really needed here; you can simply show a single screen of you running around, then hitting a bot and showing that you run faster. Then do the opposite: have a bot run around (you may need a real player for that), then whip it to show that he goes faster too. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:30, 30 July 2011 (PDT)
+ | changes = {{c|Does not show that Kritz Über does not prevent capping or carrying the Intelligence.}}<br>{{c|Does not show health of patients, overheal is not shown properly.}}
+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QdVc1nL_l3qRdnedua3f7UX96dMA4wj5/view?usp=drive_link
+}}
+I think I'll take this one! [[User:Greenfox|Greenfox]] ([[User talk:Greenfox|talk]]) 20:51, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
-Hm, for that Running arround demonstration, you want the map to be on the same, right? Damn, I need a hoster then :( and I don`t know any, anybody could help me? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:TheHatlessMan|TheHatlessMan]]''' ([[User talk:TheHatlessMan|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/TheHatlessMan|contribs]]) </small>
+:Please sign your comments using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 20:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
+sorry! [[User:Greenfox|Greenfox]] ([[User talk:Greenfox|talk]]) 06:27, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
-Remade within what you asked for :) Hopefully it`s better now :D
+:Could anyone give me advice on how to do this demo?  For one thing, [https://youtu.be/PbByxTR2c5s?t=69 this] part of the video isn't possible with the new map, and I am not sure what to do.
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RxouzRcWM0
+:[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 00:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
-http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z9YNOCEA
-Thanks for my friend for being the Friendly SOldier in this ^^ <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:TheHatlessMan|TheHatlessMan]]''' ([[User talk:TheHatlessMan|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/TheHatlessMan|contribs]]) </small>
+::Off the top of my head, you could use the wooden separator near the back of the room. So long as its clear the beam disconnects because something is physically between you and the healing target, it shouldn't matter.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 01:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
-:That is indeed what I meant, but this goes too fast :( Make sure to:
-* Put crossfade transitions between clips if possible (instant black screen looks weird)
-* Wait 2~3 seconds (without walking or moving the camera at all) at the end '''and''' at the beginning of each clip (so that the viewer can get a sense of where he is after the transition)
-* What I meant by "it doesn't need to be a comparison" is that it doesn't need to be a split-screen-style comparison (D: sorry if that wasn't clear). The viewer does need to feel the difference. What I meant is to demonstrate both normal speed and accelerated speed in the same clip:
-** Run around at normal speed on the map while your friend stands in the center
-** Hit your friend
-** Run around some more, this time at accelerated speed
-** When the boost effect stops, continue walking (do not stop) for 5 seconds or so; this will clearly show the difference between the two speeds
-* And then the same for the other person:
-** Go in front of the starting wooden fence and watch the center part of the room
-** Have friend run around in large circles in the center part of the room (try not to move the camera too much, because that hinders the ability for viewers to estimate speed)
-** Have friend then go in front of you, and whip him as he passes by
-** Have friend run around in the same circles, this time at accelerated speed
-** When the boost effect stops, he should continue walking for 5 seconds as well to clearly show the difference
-If you don't feel like poking your friend again, I can provide hosting and acting help if you need, just poke me (WindPower) on [[IRC]] :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 14:26, 30 July 2011 (PDT)
+:::Also, I'm trying to make a script to make the bots move, like in the part where the soldier is Übercharged, for example.
+:::[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 18:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
-It`s not quite right...so I`ll be uploading the one accepted tomorrow :D :P
+::::It's easier to just ask someone for help.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 18:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
-[[User:TheHatlessMan|TheHatlessMan]] 11:42, 31 July 2011 (PDT)Brasilstation (AKA TheHatlessMan)
-::: Nice but, it's so blurry. [[File:Painted Batter's Helmet C36C2D.png|16px|]][[User:Violencejr123|<span style="font-size:13px;line-height:16px;font-family:TF2 Build;sans-serif;" class="qua_strange">Violencejr123</span>]] 11:49, 31 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::Yes, that turned out to be because of bad Vegas project settings — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 12:55, 31 July 2011 (PDT)
-https://www.rapidshare.com/#!download|229|995465938|demo.avi|128986.112 There you go guys, I took out the black-ending which was messed up (thanks Wind) and it`s the version me and Wind made on 1280 x 720 on HD :D so it should be non-blurry! :) ~~Brasilstation (TheHatlessMan)
+:::::I am asking for help.
-:Can someone please make a really small encode of this (less than 10 MB) and upload that somewhere? I just have a few hundred megabytes of bandwidth for the next 9 days, so I really can't afford to download this video to review it — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 14:59, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
+:::::[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 19:41, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
-::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXeqAY_ySkU '''Youtube upload (720p)''']
-::[http://www.mediafire.com/?3tis7d8rqr9iw68 '''Crushed version (640x360)'''] — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 15:34, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
-:::Thanks, is all good :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:38, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Disguise Kit|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Disguise Kit]] ==
+::::::I believe they mean asking someone to join the server to make some clips easier to get.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 05:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
-Plan: Likely requires first person view, third person view, and enemy third person view. Have the disguised Spy use an enemy teleporter. First try to use enemy teleporter without disguise, and run in front of a sentry. Take damage, get out, teleport, get in the front of the sentry to show that it don't target you, use teleporter...
-Here you are, folks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfSawVLyEPI
+:What map should I use to demonstrate capping the points?
-It may not be in HD, but I do not have editing software that can produce any better than 480p. If someone else would be able to do that, I would be more than willing to send them the files.
+:[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 03:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
-[[User:PastorOfMuppets|PastorOfMuppets]] 04:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
-Scratch that: The files aren't in HD either. :/
+::Every other Medi Gun demonstration uses Badlands, so just use that.
-[[User:PastorOfMuppets|PastorOfMuppets]] 05:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
+::'''EDIT''': Clarification, [[Badlands (Control Point)]] specifically should be used, not the KOTH version.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 12:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
-:Sorry... D: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:01, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
-I could '''try''' to do it, but I would need the map for testing. And the upper link isn't working for me.--[[User:CeInfo|CeInfo]] 15:14, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-:Try it again~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:28, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
-I did something that shows the basic: disguised you don't get killed by sentries, you can be healed by a dispenser, if you remove your disguise it stops... Here it is: <Video deleted> --[[User:CeInfo|CeInfo]] 17:50, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
-:There are some technical problems with this video that must be fixed before any video can be accepted: mouse is hidden in backpack view (don't hide it); lack of "click" sound when closing the backpack view; custom crosshair and crosshair color (use the default); achievements being displayed on-screen (running weaponref.cfg will hide them; never not run weaponref.cfg); the Dispenser seems to have been built by nobody (it says "Dispenser built by "); and some frame slowdowns (for example, there seem to be a few stuttering's while jumping and walking toward the fence between 0:06 and 0:11, or the knife drawing animation right after selecting a disguise at 0:16), which might be fixed if you lower the graphics settings. The video seems to be 1080p, which is a very good thing, but since the minimum requirement is 720p, it's better to have a smooth 720p video than a stuttery 1080p one.
-:Since those are all technical problems, please make a short (10~15 seconds) video sample with those things fixed (to show that you can create videos matching the requirements), before moving on to expanding the contents of the video. This is to save your time (and mine) in case this is not the case, hope you understand :) Thanks~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:31, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
-:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-wnhNYFAzQ So, good enough?] Altrough I don't know if I should've dismark the "Fill black bars" box...--[[User:CeInfo|CeInfo]] 18:40, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
-Does this still need to be done? CelInfo's last comment above suggested completion, but it was from over a month ago and there's still no demonstration video on the Disguise Kit page. In case it's still needed, here -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loE-JVHBDXY; lmk if it'll work for the Wiki. [[User:NSCoder|NSCoder]] 07:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
+== Trading demonstration ==
-:Anyone? [[User:NSCoder|NSCoder]] 01:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry
-::Oh whoops, missed it D: Anyway, here goes:
+ | begin
-* The extra voice commands may be funny, but please don't do that
+ | status = nodemo
-* No viewmodel (why?)
+ | reservation =
-* Needs a backpack view; I know you can't show the disguise kit, so simply show the spy stock backpack for a few seconds
+ | changes = {{c|Doesn't show the "Requires Steam Guard verification" window}}
-* No disguise sound can be heard
+ | video =
-* Needs to show how a friendly spy looks like to friendlies (has a mask with the class head on it) as opposed to an enemy spy
+}}
-* Needs to demonstrate a lot more things:
+We can make the same Medic and Heavy conversation joke.
-** Can disguise as any class
+:Alright, it seems that Steam won't allow me to change the Trading window language for some reason, so i'm leaving this to a English-speaker user · [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] ([[User talk:Ashe|talk]]) 04:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
-** Can disguise as ally
+:I don't think we should redo this just for this reason; there may be more UI changes to that process in the future, and it seems unnecessary. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
-** Disguising as friendly Spy removes the disguise completely
+::I think it's necessary.  It's the little things that count anyway.  If I could do it, should I record the footage of me verifying the trade on my phone?
-** Attacking removes disguise
+::[[File:User Slimyboi500 Logo.png|100px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px|link=User:Slimyboi500]] [[User talk:Slimyboi500|Talk]] [[File:Speech voice.png|25px|link=User talk:Slimyboi500]] [[Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500|Contribs]] [[File:Wrench_IMG.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/Slimyboi500]] [https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/ Steam]  [[File:Steam tray.png|25px|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199515551163/]] 03:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
-** Sapper does not remove disguise
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-** Cloak does not remove disguise
-** Show difference between Cloak->disguise and Disguise->Cloak
-** Show that you can change your disguise weapon
-** Show that running speed = min(Spy speed, disguised class speed)
-* Needs to show taunts (both of them)
-The [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfSawVLyEPI older video] comes close, as it shows most of those, so feel free to take inspiration from it. Thanks~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:12, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
-I'm going to attempt a demonstration for this, but there's one thing I need to know first, when comparing the speeds, do I do it for all classes or just the fastest and the slowest?--[[User:Mellotaku|Mellotaku]] 11:00, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
+== {{Demo Header|Teleporters|icon=RED Teleporter.png}} ==
-:Fastest and slowest. Slowest will show that the Spy does slow himself down to the speed of the slower class, and fastest will show that the Spy can't run faster when disguised as a class faster than him — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:10, 26 July 2011 (PDT)S
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation = [[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]], 7-8-2024 17:03 CEST
+ | changes = {{c|Needs to show the updated metal cost.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+I think the current demo is a bit messy, so I'm making a new order:
+First clip (showing basic things, requires 3 people):
+* Build entrance (no speeding up), watch it fully unfold.
+* Build exit (speeding it up). Take Teleporter once it's fully built.
+* Fully upgrade to level 3 using 3 pre-spawned full ammo boxes. Upgrade to Level 2 on the Exit, and upgrade to Level 3 on the Entrance (showing both sides share upgrades).
+* Friendly takes the Tele, enemy player (non-Spy) tries to take the Tele, then an enemy Spy tries to take the Tele (undisguised).
+Second clip:
+* Third screens: left screen shows Tele Entrance being selected from PDA, middle screen shows Tele being selected from PDA, right screen has Tele pre-built and picks it up. All 3 put it down, left stares at it, middle hits it, right stares at it (showing off build speed vs wrench hitting vs redeploying).
+Third clip (requires 2 people):
+* Third screens: Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right. Shows friendly player getting teleported, then walks back to entrance and waits for another teleport. Do this for 3 teleports in total. Alternatively, we take another 2 people. They stand in a line and take Teleporter as I watch. Tele brings them to an off-screen place, and I (Engineer) stop on it last. Both teammates look at the Engi, say a thank you voice line. The last bit is only for a bit of humour, so I can understand if we just take the first option only.
+Fourth clip:
+* Either a single screen (my preference) or one-third screens: Spy walks on Tele undisguised, gets teleported. Walks back to Entrance, disguises, gets teleported. Walks back to Entrance, takes Disguise off, then cloaks and stands on Tele.
+Fifth clip:
+* Spy saps Tele Exit, stand on Tele (showing no teleporting), remove Sapper, repair Tele (shows both sides get healed at the same time). Switch sides, Spy saps Entrance, remove Sapper.
+Sixth clip:
+* Third screens: Spy saps Tele, wait until it dies. Level 1, 2, and 3 from left to right.
+Seventh clip (requires 2/3 people):
+* Enemy Heavy stands on Tele Exit, I go through (killing him). I walk back in front of Entrance, Medic with Über pops it on patient (who walks on Tele), I go through (killing him). Medic stands on Exit (with Über still), I kill him. If possible, the first Übered player should have respawned by now as a Spy, noclipped out of frame, then walks onto Tele entrance, going through and telefragging me (Engi).
-== [[File:Lvl3dispenser.png|16px]] [[Dispenser]] ==
+Optional extra clips:
+Eureka Effect clip:
+* Half screen: left has stock, right has Eureka Effect. Both build Tele, grab one of the 2 large ammo boxes in front of them, and start upgrading their Teles. Eureka Effect finishes first as it only needs 200, Stock requires 400.
+Setup time clip:
+* Shows extra fast upgrading of Teles.
-How about this:
+If I missed anything, let me know, but this should be all.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
-:First: Heavy before Dispenser and he keeps shootin to show his ammo is refilled all the time.
+:I think this covers pretty much all there is for teleporters. <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 15:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
-:Second: Heavy get shots from Soldier Rockets and will be healed. First Level 1 then 2 and 3 Dispenser to show difference speed(underline the speed of healin maybe).
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-:Third: Dispenser Health shown and will be destroyed
-:Fourth: Engineer behind Dispenser Repairin it and Heavy before it, how a dispenser can work as an active weapon or stuff. <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Godlike11219|Godlike11219]]''' ([[User talk:Godlike11219|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Godlike11219|contribs]]) </small>
-::This doesn't really show the difference between levels.
-**(3-way split-screen, probably in a 2x2 square with a Dispenser image on the blank spot or something) 3 Heavies go to 1 boolet left. Recording start, and they all get rocket'd 3 times or so, then walk to dispenser and show how fast ammo and health is replenished at the same time for all levels. After all ammo is replenished, they can start shooting again to show how a heavy+dispenser can very well replace a sentry
-**Dispenser health differences can be shown by putting a sapper on them at the same time. This shows health difference, as sapping damage is proportional to time, and it also shows, you know, sapping time (which is the most important destruction duration to know)
-— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 07:16, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Enforcer|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Enforcer]] ==
+== {{Demo Header|Amputator}} ==
-Fixed everything that was wrong with the version I posted on IRC - bitrate increased significantly, splitscreen with cloak times, went from 0x AA to 16x AA, fixed the transparent tooltip. Let me know if there are any new issues. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSI4hMADYH0 Edit: Just noticed that it's pillarboxed when not in fullscreen, how do I fix this? [[User:RainbowDash|Rainbow Dash]] 19:52, 25 June 2011 (PDT)
+{{DemoEntry
-:You uh, forgot to show how it looks like when you cloak with the Enforcer D: It needs to be a side-by-side comparison. As for the video having black bars, your video editor added them; make sure you always output to a 16:9 resolution video.
+ | begin
-:Other things to fix: don't move the camera so fast while taunting, it is a bit disorientating. The transition between the two segments is also instantaneous and sudden; wait a second at the end of the first part, and at the beginning of the second part, then add a fade between the two. This will also make it less disorientating, because as it is, it's like the Enforcer suddenly turns into a regular revolver, hehe... Good luck :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:18, 25 June 2011 (PDT)
+ | status = nodemo
-::Oh man, I don't even know how that happened. I've been struggling with video editing for hours so I actually just stopped watching the whole video after each attempt to make sure everything was alright... I had the splitscreen working properly before but I must have messed up somewhere on the latest version. Need to proofwatch more. Regarding ratio, I've done everything set to 1280x720, dunno what's going on there either. Will keep the other stuff in mind. Going to give it another try tomorrow because I am sick and tired of trying to make things work in Vegas tonight. [[User:RainbowDash|Rainbow Dash]] 21:19, 25 June 2011 (PDT)
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Does not show damage against players vs stock}}
+ | video =
+}}
-::Alright, here's the latest attempt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR91uloq4dc It still has pillarboxing going on, but I'd like to know if the rest is okay and also how to fix the damn pillarboxing. I recorded at 1280x720 and I rendered at 1280x720, so I have no idea what to do. [[User:RainbowDash|Rainbow Dash]] 12:49, 27 June 2011 (PDT)
+I recorded most of this but medic's health regen is completely random as far I can tell. I can't get the clips to line up so I can properly demonstrate the increased health regen so I'm removing my reservation for the time being. I might try again some other time to brute force it but it doesn't seem promising [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 18:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
-:::Again, please wait longer before and after transitions, take your time~ As for the black bars, you need to check not only the recorded resolution but also the imported resolution of that clip into Vegas (sometimes it just feels like rescaling it), the project's settings, and the rendering settings (all of which are different) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:35, 27 June 2011 (PDT)
-Here's my attempt at the Enforcer demo. If there is anything I missed, please be sure to let me know. Thank you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x58Iw3C0HEY http://www.mediafire.com/?1dz8si26vvb66bk--[[User:Mellotaku|Mellotaku]] 14:24, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
+:Not having them be synced up is fine as long as it's clear that the Amputator goes faster.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 18:55, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
-:Quite good for a first attempt~ Sadly, not perfect:
-* Don't stretch/shrink videos without keeping the aspect ratio, ever; in this case, crop the 25% left and 25% right of the video (does anyone still have the modified HUD files for splitscreen demos? :3)
-* The Enforcer affects the time it takes to cloak, not the duration of the cloak, so it is pointless to stay cloaked the whole time. Simply cloak and uncloak a few times~ (Preferably synchronized with the other video; you can use the wait command to sync those). Thanks :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 14:50, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
-Ok, I'll go back and fix that.--[[User:Mellotaku|Mellotaku]] 14:53, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
+:: That's not the issue I'm having. It's the part where you're showing that it only regenerates faster while you are actively holding the amputator itself. The original video has a 3-way splitscreen with the left side being Amputator, the middle having the Amputator equipped but switched to hold the medi gun, and the right holding the stock bonesaw. I can't the medi gun side and bonesaw side to sync up so it looks like one of them is slightly faster than the other. One of the two is always slightly faster or slower which makes it really difficult to properly demonstrate that part. Even the actual health you gain each tick is slightly variable from what I can tell. I had 6 different clips and synched them all up and they all finished at different times and would have different health values despite all other variables being equal. All 6 clips started at the same time but all 6 of them have different HP https://imgur.com/3NVTjSG. My only thought for a fix is I could try to cheat and essentially just crop the health bar from one of the clips and paste it onto the other so that way they are perfectly synced up. It'd have to be a seamless edit though which is pretty hard to do. [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 19:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
-Alright, here is the updated version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQiMS18X_UQ http://www.mediafire.com/?rgj5lj39d1dc036--[[User:Mellotaku|Mellotaku]] 17:14, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
+:::I'd argue that so long as there is a reasonably larger difference in time between when the Amputator while held reaches full health to the Bonesaw and Medi-Gun clips, even with a minor difference between the latter two the point should get across. Syncing them up would be difficult unless you used a config file to automate the clip upon spawn, as AFAIK Medic regenerates health based on a set timer even while at full health, meaning health can start being restored seemingly inconsistent to when he takes damage.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|Kibblekip]] ([[User talk:Kibblekip|talk]]) 00:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
-:Thank you~ :3 Will be uploaded in the next batch. By the way, this video didn't really need to be redone besides the "it's unnecessary to cloak the whole time" thing. Your version will still be uploaded because of this, but in the future please check [[Team Fortress Wiki:Weapon Demonstration|the project page]] for weapons that to need to be redone or that haven't been done at all, and focus on them first. Thanks~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:26, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Fishcake|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Fishcake]] ==
+== {{Demo Header|Thermal Thruster}} ==
-Well well well, I Havi am new to the TF2 Wiki and on my first day i saw that there is no demonstration video of Fishcake.
+{{DemoEntry
-So today i made one and i hope it's okay. Yes I used the low violence version because i don't have the uncensored one.
+ | begin
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GmllTUKZbQ
+ | status = nodemo
-http://www.mediafire.com/?wksoja3ovoqjxno
+ | reservation =
-(I hope it's not bad for my first try)
+ | changes = {{c|Video doesn't show the increased knockback while using the item}}
-Regards, Havi
+ | video =
-:Hai and welcome~ Sadly, the demonstration doesn't match the technical specifications :( And some toher stuff too.
+}}
-* To keep demonstrations consistent, the "regular" version of the game needs to be used. I don't think it makes any difference for the Fishcake demonstration, but for other demonstrations where people get killed, it is important
+This video was created when the rule was just "at least 30 fps". Now, the knockback clips are a bit random and doesn't properly show the actual effect. Maybe the demonstrator can show it by placing a pyro aiming upwards and make it airblast them. The clips would be in badwater roof, the left clip without the thermal just falling off from it and the right clip, jumping with the thermal onto the pyro. · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
-* Video is not 720p (must be at least 720p)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-* There are black bars on all 4 sides of the video
-* The cursor must be visible, must start on the item slot itself, and you must record the "clicking the Close button" part as well
-* Try to follow the [[Dalokohs Bar]] demonstration closely (put the medic at roughly the same spot, etc)
-* While this is an unfortunate aspect of the game and it is not your fault, the Heavy said "Don't run, it's just ham" which doesn't really fit with the Fishcake. If you have the patience, try again until you get a food-neutral line like "that was delicious".
-I suggest fixing the first 3 points first and posting a video here before trying to fix the last 2, because if you can't meet the technical requirements then it would be best to not waste time doing non-meeting-requirements demonstrations.
-Welcome to the wiki again :3 I hope that message didn't scare you... By the way, you can sign messages by typing "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>" at the end of your message — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:16, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
+== {{Demo Header|Natascha}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Needs to show that when an enemy is being healed by a medi gun or other source (like a dispenser) they're immune to the slowdown.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-Q_Q I'm crying i made the video again today , made everything that it would be full HD BUT NO YOUTUBE STILL USES THAT STUPID BLACK BARS AT THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT!!!!!
+== {{Demo Header|Ubersaw}} ==
-Because of that you can't really read the letters.... I'm sorry... But i don't know why... i can play it on my media player full HD without black bars... i just don't know why...
+{{DemoEntry
-[[User:Havi|Havi]] 17:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
+ | begin
-After my rage i got my mind back and tried 100different ways.... this is the result... i hope it's good.... except for the "Schließen"
+ | status = nodemo
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfdV5kmwV20
+ | reservation = [[User talk:Myrmxa|Myrmxa]] 19:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
-[[User:Havi|Havi]] 19:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
+ | changes = {{c|Needs swing speed penalty compared to stock.}}
-:Sorry but it still doesn't look right D: It looks "squished". This is most likely because you are not running the game with the same aspect ratio as the Youtube player's (and the specs's) aspect ratio, which is '''16:9''', so make sure your game is running on such a ratio (1280x720 or higher). Also, the game is in German apparently (it shows on the "Close" button in the backpack) >: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 02:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
+ | video =
-But i'm running my TF2 Game on 1680x1050 o.o and i can't make it different with the Close button q-q i can't make my german Version uncut without a patch that leaves the menu in german.... D: Wait.... may be the problem because i'm recording half size? Everyone always told me i should record with fraps on half size but i didn't think of using full size...Sorry to spam the talk with my failure xD [[User:Havi|Havi]] 08:40, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
+}}
-:The problem is that you're recording at 1680x1050, which is not a 16:9 ratio. If you divide 1680 by 1050, you get 1.6, while if you divide 16 by 9, you get about 1.777. Make sure you use a '''16:9''' resolution, meaning that if you divide the width by the height, you get the same result as you get when you divide 16 by 9. There is a menu in TF2's graphics options (right next to the resolution) to set the ratio.
+I don't think it's necessary to show the Spy stabbing you during the Über, I would change that to just holding out the Ubersaw and watching it drain. It looks a bit awkward running into the Spy attacking like that. I also can't tell if the video is too low FPS or if it's just Google Drive, so [[User:Ashe|Ashe]] will have to be the judge of that. Other than that, looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
-:As for recording full-size or half-size, it doesn't matter as long as the recorded video is equal or larger to 1280 pixels in width and 720 pixels in height. That means that it you record at 1280x720, you have to record at full size. The only moment when you should record at half size is if you record at the double of 1280x720, which is 2560x1440.
+:Looks like the FPS is good, I do think the ÜberCharge bit should be changed, however.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
-:I hope that makes sense now D: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
+Added updated ver. [[User:Myrmxa|Myrmxa]] ([[User talk:Myrmxa|talk]]) 19:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
-::I guess, but you already said that my german close button doesn't fit so i think i can completely forget to rerecord it...i'll try to change the ratio and find a patch that makes tf2 uncut without using german menu... but don't count on me x'D [[User:Havi|Havi]] 19:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
+:The sound is very quiet. In the first clip, I would wait until the entire ÜberCharge is over before doing the taunt (hold out the Ubersaw to watch the liquid drain). Another clip already shows that you hitting someone mid-ÜberCharge extends the duration.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG22Qe00vEA — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 12:04, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-:::Thanks, please upload~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 14:59, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Mantreads|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Mantreads]] ==
+== {{Demo Header|Machina}}, {{Demo Header|Shooting Star}} ==
-Just a question but how will we showcase it's fall damage ability and the reduction of push force? The roof of the map is a tad too low and for the second effect to be showcased we'd need a Soldier to shoot at our feet. [[User:Denmax|Denmax]] 14:06, 30 June 2011 (PDT)
+{{DemoEntry
-:There should be enough height to fall from if you stand on the metal bars. Otherwise, just jump off from the roof of 2fort or something~ And yes, the second one needs a soldier to shoot at the feet. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 14:23, 30 June 2011 (PDT)
+ | begin
-::The bug section lists that the Mantreads currently only do 30 damage at max regardless of the fall distance. I recommend you to wait until this gets fixed, if you don't mind redoing part of the video from scratch afterwards. :3 — [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 06:18, 9 July 2011 (PDT)
+ | status = review needed
+ | reservation = [[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 15:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
+ | changes = {{c|Does not show fully charged damage vs stock.}}
+ | video = https://drive.google.com/file/d/13gRuCMB48SoDTubbzI04_syOSzdxwACT/view?usp=sharing
+ | video-text = Machina
+ | video-extra = [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1z5PQoM1oHC1676HDUSMlYvpmuqhBMi7_/view?usp=sharing Shooting Star]
+}}
+Might as well add in the Shooting Star too. If possible, during the fully charged damage segment, show side-by-side that the Machina can't fire while unscoped. [[User:Andreng|Andreng]] ([[User talk:Andreng|talk]]) 13:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
+:Looks good.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
+::I'm not convinced to the dmg comparison clip. I think it would be better if you make a comparison with a Demo instead. To make the Machina kill the demo with one shot, try to damage it with one shot of the smg · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 20:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Market Gardener|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Market Gardener]] ==
+== {{Demo Header|Ap-Sap}}, {{Demo Header|Snack Attack}}, {{Demo Header|Red-Tape Recorder}} ==
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLMN9mzVb0Y — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 19:05, 27 June 2011 (PDT)
+{{DemoEntry
-:Sorry mate but you really need to fix the sound D: It still clips, especially noticeable when the Soldier shouts during the taunt. This applies to all the other videos too :( The Soda Popper too is quite noticeable on each Soda Popper shot — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:50, 27 June 2011 (PDT)
+ | begin
-:: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqjlxbT4rU — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 06:23, 28 June 2011 (PDT)
+ | status = nodemo
-:::Forgot to reload at the end >: (Also, excessive blood behind the Medic) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:45, 28 June 2011 (PDT)
+ | reservation = [[User:Dessensce|Dessensce]] ([[User talk:Dessensce|talk]]) 06:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
-::::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqmFvf9nxRY I apologize for the delay; FRAPS was being a pain in the ass. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 19:16, 5 July 2011 (PDT)
+ | changes = {{c|Does not show Sapped Sentry Guns take 33% less damage from the Spy who applied the Sapper.}}
-:::::Thanks~ :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:42, 5 July 2011 (PDT)
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Medigun|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Medi Gun]] ==
+== {{Demo Header|Battery Canteens}} ==
-ok, so here's what i'm thinkin:
+{{DemoEntry
-*start off showing medigun in inventory
+ | begin
-*exit out of inventory
+ | status = nodemo
-*have 2 freindly heavies and one enemy soldier
+ | reservation =
-*have soldier kill 1st heavy (don't use medigun on this one)
+ | changes = {{c|Needs Canteen Specialist's time bonus for canteens shown.}}
-*on 2nd heavy use medigun and demonstrate how the healing can help save teammates and win the fight
+ | video =
-*fade into next scene
+}}
-*ubercharge is at 100%
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-*activate it on heavy
-*have soldier shoot rockets at heavy, have medic looking at heavy to demonstrate how he isn't losing health
-*end movie
-(almost finished with the critacola and Medic Pack set, all i need to do is find a good program to do splitscreen and i'm set. All i got is wmm atm, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.)
+== {{Demo Header|Classic}} ==
-<br/>{{c|wait|Reserved by Gringo perm}}
+{{DemoEntry
-:Sony Vegas, it's what all the cool kids use. The Medigun demo needs a lot more information than that, however:
+ | begin
-* Show how healing rate is affected by time since injury
+ | status = nodemo
-* Show UberCharge rate buildup depends on healing rate
+ | reservation =
-* Show that you can keep healing even when not looking at the person
+ | changes = {{c|Does not demonstrate damage comparison compared to stock. [Both quickscope and fully charged]}}<br />{{c|Does not demonstrate jumping while scoping.}}
-* Show that you can uber multiple people and show the difference in UberCharge drain rate
+ | video =
-* Show how the medic himself is invulnerable to damage
+}}
-* Show that allies (and enemy spies) can read the UberCharge meter
-* Show overheal:
-** Show that overheal depends on base class health (takes more time to overheal a Heavy than a Scout)
-** Show that overheal drains over time at a fixed rate
-** Show overheal effect
-As you can see it's a lot more complex — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:13, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
-Note: It might be a good idea to wait until Valve pushes the healing HUD text on the current version of TF2 before doing a Medigun demo. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 05:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
+'''Part 1: The Main Gang (Pyro, Soldier, Medic)'''
-Also show that you get assists when the person you're healing kills someone (and teamkilling assists with enemy spies). [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 10:11, 4 July 2011 (PDT)
+Start with the Pyro, Soldier, and Medic, plus the enemy Sniper as shown in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2tK4HASL-I the current video].
+# Inspect the rifle
+# Scope the rifle without manually charging. Pause for a few seconds.
+# Charge the rifle to full while scoped. Pause for a few seconds.
+# Let go of the charge while scoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
+# Pause for a few seconds and unscope.
+# Charge the rifle to full while unscoped. Pause for a few seconds.
+# Let go of the charge while unscoped. The Sniper should make a shot in the process.
+# Shoot the Pyro with a quickshot bodyshot at the middle of his body, where there is little chance of accidentally hitting the headshot hitbox. Specifically, aim at his middle flame grenade.
+# Move the crosshair to Pyro's head.
+# Shoot the Pyro's head with a quickshot "headshot".
+# Shoot the Pyro's head again, but with a partially charged "headshot".
+# Aim at Soldier's head, and kill him with a fully charged unscoped headshot.
+# Aim at enemy Sniper's head, and kill him with a fully charged scoped headshot
+# Aim at Medic's head, and attack him with a scoped partially charged "headshot"
+# Move the crosshair to Medic's body, specifically slightly to the left of his lower visible button right above his glove.
+# Kill the Medic with a fully charged scoped bodyshot.
+# Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a non-scoped headshot.
+# Aim for the wooden Soldier target with a scoped fully charged headshot.
+# Taunt.
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Nessie's Nine Iron|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Nessie's Nine Iron]] ==
+'''Part 2 – Sniper Movement 1'''
-I've wanted help out the wiki by demonstrating this weapon,and followed the instructions to do so to a T (as far as I can tell), but when I type in "exec weaponref.cfg", I get this error:
+Three split videos of Sniper, left and middle with Classic, right with Sniper Rifle. This will demonstrate that charging slows down the player.
-----
-exec weaponref.cfg
-Unknown command: Resource/UI/HudDamageAccount.res
+# Begin charging the middle Classic. Also begin charging the normal Sniper Rifle.
+# Move forward to the garage door.
-Unknown command: {
+'''Part 3 – Sniper Movement 2'''
-Unknown command: CDamageAccountPanel
-Unknown command: {
+Two split videos of Sniper, both with Classic. This will demonstrate that releasing a charge returns the speed back to normal.
-Unknown command: fieldName
+# Begin charging the right-hand side.
+# For the right-hand camera, release the charged shot by shooting at anywhere in front.
+# Move forward to the garage door, with no charged shots on either of them.
-Unknown command: text_x
+'''Part 4 – Scope and Cancelling'''
-Unknown command: text_y
+Be at a tall location, enough for room to jump up and down. When doing the switching of weapons, make sure the weapon switch menu is visible, not just performing a quickswitch.
-Unknown command: delta_item_end_y
+# Aim straight.
+# Charge the Classic to full, and then switch to the SMG. Switch back to the Classic.
+# Repeat Step 2 but switch to the Kukri, then back to the Classic.
+# Scope and jump.
+# Unscope the Classic.
+# Charge the Classic and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
+# Charge the Classic to full and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
+# Charge the Classic while scoped and then jump and shoot. The "cancel" noise should play, implying you can't shoot while in mid-air.
-Unknown command: PositiveColor
+'''Part 5 – Fall, Land, and Shoot'''
-Unknown command: NegativeColor
+At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy once you're on the ground.
-Unknown command: delta_lifetime
+# Charge the Classic.
+# Fall while still charging.
+# Shoot at the Heavy while you are on the ground, still with your charged shot ready. If done correctly, Heavy should be able to be dealt more than 50 damage.
-Unknown command: delta_item_font
+'''Part 6 – Fall and Mid-Air Shoot'''
-Unknown command: delta_item_font_big
+At the bottom of the ground is a Heavy. You will jump down and charge your shot as you fall from mid-air, then shoot the Heavy mid-air.
-Unknown command: }
+# Charge the Classic.
+# Fall while still charging.
+# Attempt to shoot at the Heavy while in mid-air. If done correctly, Heavy shouldn't be shot because the bullet was not actually shot.
-Unknown command: }
+'''Part 7 - Damage Comparisons, Non-Charged'''
-----
+Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic quickscope bodyshot, top-right is Classic quickscope "headshot", bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle quickscope "headshot".
-Anybody know where I went wrong?
+# Start from the "natural" aiming position, and specifically point towards the head if the clip is a quickscope "headshot".
-(as an added note, i know this has nothing to do with the weapon, but I guess I might as well put it under this for the topic, so i can just go back and link the video when successful.)--[[User:Wellgolly|Wellgolly]] 00:10, 7 July 2011 (PDT)
+# Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.
-:You mixed up weaponref.cfg and HudDamageAccount.res :3 These "commands" are the text inside what should be HudDamageAccount.res. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:57, 8 July 2011 (PDT)
-:[http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/4/4c/Scout_thanks01.wav] Thanks, pally! --[[User:Wellgolly|Wellgolly]] 23:00, 8 July 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Original|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Original]] ==
+(Heavy is chosen because, unlike the Pyro, the 45 versus 50 damage actually makes a difference to who dies first; Pyro dies in four shots with both rifles for quickscope bodyshots, as opposed to Heavy who dies in 6 with 50 damage and 7 with 45 damage.)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Persian Persuader|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Persian Persuader]] ==
+'''Part 8 - Damage Comparisons, Charged'''
-Im working on this one... [[File:Stunned.png|45px]] [[User:Ravecrib9t4|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#990099 ">The Noble Scout</span>]] <sub><sub>([[User talk:Ravecrib9t4|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Ravecrib9t4|C]])</sub></sub> 14:02, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
-:: [http://www.mediafire.com/?ebg2d0q0i93l0pv Download link] and heres the Youtube: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK3XGjUpmTA Pootis!].[[File:Stunned.png|45px]] [[User:Ravecrib9t4|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#990099 ">The Noble Scout</span>]] <sub><sub>([[User talk:Ravecrib9t4|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Ravecrib9t4|C]])</sub></sub> 18:26, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
-::: It's good so far, but the only problem is that you didn't show about the recharge time about how it recharges faster. Also you showcase the Persian Persuader too long in the loadout. And probably you should show that you get health from the taunt kill.[[User:Violencejr123|<span style="font-size:13px;line-height:16px;font-family:TF2 Build;sans-serif;" class="qua_unusual">Violencejr123</span>]]<small>([[User_talk:Violencejr123|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Violencejr123|contribs]])</small> 10:39, 4 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::: I did get health from the Taunt Kill but you got to look closely...[[File:Stunned.png|45px]] [[User:Ravecrib9t4|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#990099 ">The Noble Scout</span>]] <sub><sub>([[User talk:Ravecrib9t4|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Ravecrib9t4|C]])</sub></sub> 19:27, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
-:::::Same problems as the Bazaar Bargain's demo. Also:
-* No need to taunt twice
-* Visible slowdown during the tauntkill
-* Audio glitch when being shot by the medic (on the first syringe hit)
-* Sticky counter says "%A" in the corner of the screen
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Quick-Fix|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Quick-Fix]] ==
+Comparisons with shooting a Heavy near the garage door. Have four clips, top is Classic, and bottom is normal Sniper Rifle. Top-left is Classic full bodyshot, top-right is Classic full headshot, bottom-left is normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshot, and bottom-right is normal Sniper Rifle full headshot.
+(Heavy is chosen because he is killed with three shots from Classic full bodyshots, but two shots with normal Sniper Rifle full bodyshots.)
-I would like to try this. So, basically:
+# Scope from all rifles and charge them immediately (or automatically in the case of normal Sniper Rifle)
+# Shoot the Heavy off cooldown, with the listed comparisons involved.
-* Inventory, simple healing demonstration of a heavy getting hurt then healed, show distance healing beam can go, show healing beam can curve, how you can heal w/o looking at the target.
+For the damage comparisons, Medic could also be used, as a normal quickscope bodyshot takes 3 hits to kill him, or 4 with Classic quickscope bodyshots, and for full bodyshots just either 1 or 2 hits. The light classes won't work, neither for the moderately bulky classes like Pyro and Demo. Soldier also doesn't work for the full bodyshot stage, as he dies in 2 shots for both types.
-* Show 3-split screen w/ three heavies hurt <5, 10, >15 seconds ago (show ramp-up)
-* Show 2-split of uber build rate compared w/ Medigun
-* Show 3-split of healing a soldier repeatedly damaging himself, an idle soldier, and a soldier being healed by 2 medics (to show uber build rate)
-* Show full uber and damaged medic and 1 heavy, 1 soldier (damaged). Pop uber w/o healing anyone, show how you don't get megahealed. Then heal heavy, show how you and heavy get megahealed. Have pyro airblast you to show push force resistance. Heal soldier, and get the heavy damaged, to show effect doesn't stay. Have soldier rocketjump to show it doesn't block self push forces. Have a sniper headshot heavy (while being healed), to show still can get killed.
-And thats it. Tell me if I missed anything. :) [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 11:34, 11 July 2011 (PDT)
+There's also the interaction with cancelling a charge in water, but not sure if that specific interaction is necessary to demonstrate.
-:Wow, sure is going to be a long demo. Good luck if you're up to the task~ However, as you have never made a video demonstration before, and since this is a huge demo that will require effort and probably also bugging friends to help you record, it is better to first do a check-up for technical errors. Many first-timers, if I may call them so, pour energy into making a video but fail to meet a few technical requirements that cause them to have to re-record everything. As such, I strongly encourage you to first do another demonstration of a simple weapon (Fishcake, Detonator), or even remaking an old but easy one like the [[Syringe Gun]]. I hope this makes sense and I think it will save both of us quite some time — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:00, 11 July 2011 (PDT)
-::Argh, Fraps won't record at anything higher than 15 fps :( I'm removing my reservation in case anyone else wants to do this. Also, I forgot to mention above to demonstrate you move at scout speed while healing one. [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 21:01, 12 July 2011 (PDT)
+[[User:Qwertyxp2000|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000|talk]]) 06:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
-:::Wait, let me try Source recorder [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 08:54, 13 July 2011 (PDT)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-:::No longer reserved by me, I realized I don't have the time [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 16:57, 29 July 2011 (PDT)
-So I heard about the demonstation videos and made one for the Quick-Fix:
+== {{Demo Header|Reserve Shooter}} ==
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VVHbW2K-4I<br>
+{{DemoEntry
-If there's something wrong tell me and I'll try to fix it.[[DekoMan91]] 13:47, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
+ | begin
-:There are quite a few things wrong :(
+ | status = nodemo
-* Is that the default crosshair and default crosshair color? I'm not sure
+ | reservation =
-* Antialiasing needs to be turned on
+ | changes = {{c|Needs to show damage against targets launched airborne via their own explosives, Thermal Thruster and Grappling Hook.}}
-* Show the healing text
+ | video =
-* Backpack part: Don't stay on the tooltip for this long (5 seconds should be enough), and don't rotate the model while recording
+}}
-* No need to show that the Medigun can overheal, the Quick Fix part by itself is enough (on a related note, make sure to always run weaponref.cfg when recording; you didn't when using the Medigun, resulting in a different field of view setting)
+Forgot to add this here after checking the existing demonstration for reference on how best to handle the Direct Hit's airshot clips on tr_karma_wiki, only to see some clips were also absent for this weapon too.
-* It doesn't demonstrate the healing rate ramp-up
+<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 07:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
-* The speed gain from the Scout is demonstrated, but need to show that you lose the boost when you switch target or stop healing, etc
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-* The demonstration goes very fast. Wait more time before and after transitions
-* Needs to demonstrate the immunity to movement-impairing effects How? Medic: "I HAVE NO IDEA" (No really, I don't really know. Probably Natascha firing at you during an Uber on one side and Natascha firing at you during not-an-Uber on the other side)
-* Needs to show that you get megahealed when you're megahealing someone
-* Difference in ubercharge rate is demonstrated, but both Medics need to stop healing at the same time (you can use the <code>wait</code> command to make this easier). Also, don't hesitate to heal for longer, to accentuate the difference
-Still, a good first attempt :3 This, as said above, is a tough demo, and it being your first, it's quite a feat you did this already~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 14:59, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
-::Alright. I'll try to include all this. Will post a new video when it's done. ;) [[DekoMan91]] 16:46, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
+== {{Demo Header|Battin' A Thousand}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Show the taunt with Scout's different melees similar to the [[Roar O'War]] demonstration.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Reserve Shooter|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Reserve Shooter]] ==
+== {{Demo Header|Southern Hospitality}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Update to show post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+Noticed this while watching the existing demonstration. Currently it shows afterburn inflicts 3 damage per tick (4 with SH), when it is now 4 damage per tick (5 with SH).<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 00:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-So here's what I have in mind for the Reserve Shooter:
+== {{Demo Header|Invis Watch}}, {{Demo Header|Cloak and Dagger}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Update to show post-Jungle Inferno afterburn damage.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-* Show the weapon in the preview, then taunt.
+== {{Demo Header|Quäckenbirdt}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation =
+ | changes = {{c|Needs to include afterburn time and damage comparison.}}
+ | video =
+}}
+While I was checking over the invis watches to see which ones included the updated afterburn damage, I realized this demonstration was missing the comparison entirely.<br>[[User:Kibblekip|<font color="7D4071">Kibblekip</font>]] <sup>[[User Talk:Kibblekip|<font color="803020"><b>T</b></font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kibblekip|<font color="256D8D"><b>C</b></font>]]</sup> 01:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
-* Shoot all the enemies.
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-* Show a comparison between weapon switch times including all the weapons when the Shotgun is active, and the Reserve Shooter is active, including the attack afterwards.
+== {{Demo Header|Warrior's Spirit}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation = [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]]
+ | changes = {{c|Does not show damage against players vs stock}}
+ | video =
+}}
+Question, how exactly should I show the damage difference? [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 17:48, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
-* Shoot an enemy into the air with the rocket launcher and show how the Reserve Shooter can hit him with minicrits.
+:The same way other damage penalty/bonus weapons do.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:52, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
-* Have an enemy jump off a box, and have me shoot him with minicrits.
+::I am still having the bug where my game freezes. Maybe I can’t do this demo after all. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 18:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
-* Have an enemy jump off a box after I've had the Reserve Shooter out for 3 seconds, and have me shoot him to show they are not minicrits.
+= [[Main Page (Classic)|Team Fortress Classic]] =
+== [[File:TFC Crowbar.PNG|16px]]{{Demo Header|Crowbar (Classic)}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation = [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]]
+ | changes = {{c|Demonstrate damage and maximum range}}
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+== [[File:TFC p nailgun.png|16px]]{{Demo Header|Nailgun (Classic)}} ==
+{{DemoEntry
+ | begin
+ | status = nodemo
+ | reservation = [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]]
+ | changes = {{c|Demonstrate damage at close, mid and long range}} <br /> {{c|Demonstrate accuracy and the effects of recoil}}
+ | video =
+}}
+{{DemoEntry|end}}
+=Questions and Proposals=
+'''Note: This section is for questions and proposals that aren't specific to a single weapon. If you think a demo ought to be remade, then make an entry for it in the [[Team_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Weapon_Demonstration#Need_to_be_redone|Need to be Redone]] section above and it will be dealt with.'''
-Let me know if I have missed anything, and let me know what is the best program for comparisons. — [[User:Mr. Tid|Mr. Tid]] 19:29, 1 July 2011 (PDT)
+== [[File:Item icon Voodoo-Cursed Heavy Soul.png|20px|link=Zombie Infection]] [[Zombie Infection]] Zombies ==
-:Yes~
+{{c|Zombies have different abillities than normal players}}.
-* Taunt only after killing all the enemies
-* Show what happens when an enemy simply jumps with the spacebar by himself (does it minicrit?)
-The program most people use here is Fraps. Source Recorder can also be used and can be used to render higher-quality demos, but cannot record the backpack part at the beginning, so Fraps is still required for that part. In any case, make sure it respects all the technical requirements listed on the project page. Thanks, and good lcuk~ :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:01, 1 July 2011 (PDT)
+Hello, I am Slimyboi500.  I will be doing the demostrations for each zombie in Zombie Infection.
-:OK
+Why, you may ask?  Unlike normal gamemodes, the [[BLU]] team (or in this case, the zombies), have different [[Zombie_Infection#Zombie_abilities|abillities]] than normal:
-The Project is done, including the editing. But, it's getting late and I won't be home tomorrow D:   So I'll render and upload it in a couple of days.
+*[[Scout]]: Speed Demon
+*[[Soldier]]: Pounce
+*[[Pyro]]: Hellspawn
+*[[Demoman]]: Blast Charge
+*[[Heavy]]: The Tank
+*[[Engineer]]: EMP Grenade
+*[[Medic]]: Heal
+*[[Sniper]]: Spit
+*[[Spy]]: Reveal
-Thanks — [[User:Mr. Tid|Mr. Tid]] 23:21, 1 July 2011 (PDT)
+They also have different effects, like different amounts of [[health]] and [[speed]].  The zombies only can use melee attacks however, which makes it harder to kill.
+Let me know if it's a good idea or not.
+----[[User:Slimyboi500|Slimyboi500]] ([[User talk:Slimyboi500|talk]]) [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px]] 17:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
-:Done :D
+:If we're doing this, I think there should be a demonstration made for each gamemode, rather than just Zombie Infection. Although ZI has gotten an introduction video now that shows off the mode pretty well, so I don't believe it is necessary.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 17:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SO-cNhiCkw -- Download here - http://www.mediafire.com/?w8xbtbkw54565ap   — [[User:Mr. Tid|Mr. Tid]] 11:18, 4 July 2011 (PDT)
+::The introduction is missing a few key details, such as not showing the Soldier or Heavy's abilities.  I feel like it would be a good idea.  Such as like there should be a demo for VSH.
-:Not bad :3 Some things to change still, though :(
+::----[[User:Slimyboi500|Slimyboi500]] ([[User talk:Slimyboi500|talk]]) [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px]] 18:12, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
-* Soldier model (in the middle) must have the Reserve Shooter equipped in the backpack view
-* Custom crosshair color
-* Don't forget to reload the rocket launcher after 1:08
-* Volume not loud enough: While the music/in-game sounds balance is fine, the overall volume is too low. Increase both volumes a bit to match most of the weapon demonstrations currently on the channel~
-That should be it — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:51, 4 July 2011 (PDT)
-:ill get right on it -- thanks for the feedback — [[User:Mr. Tid|Mr. Tid]] 20:07, 4 July 2011 (PDT)
+:::It doesn't show each ability, but it does overall show the gamemode very well and I think does a sufficient job. Although, again, if we are making demonstrations for this, I think one should be made for each gamemode.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 18:18, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmFvV0ikbH8 Did you know that the soldier's weapons make it disgustingly easy to stitch together background music? You don't even need to try. Just hide the change behind a weapon firing, and it's impossible to hear. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 09:10, 28 July 2011 (PDT)
-:Can you make the Soldier be propelled higher when demonstrating the minicrit thingy, and that way you can get two shots (to show the effect doesn't only work once) and is more clear? Also, make the last two bits side-by-side maybe :3 To show that it only happens when shooting quickly after switching. Does it work if you're switching from the shovel too? — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:10, 28 July 2011 (PDT)
-::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxNtbPfSJgs — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 10:40, 29 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::There is a brutal change in audio volume at 1:10 for some reason (right when the rocket hits). Also, I think the airshot part should be before the fast-switching one, because I'd say more people care about that than the fast-switching property. Not sure about that though — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:42, 29 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spea0PAeJIg — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 07:24, 30 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::::The audio volume thing is still there D: It sounds different but it's still there. The rocket is fired, and as soon as it hits, the rest of the clip is at half-volume or something compared to the pre-rocket-hit part of the clip — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 14:26, 30 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsq283gaYxs — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 13:10, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
-:::::::Still has the same problem D: Amplify the sound by hand if you have to, but fix it *wind unhappy* — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 14:59, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
-::::::::That's what my game sounds like, I'm afraid. I think I'm going to have to step away from this one. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 15:34, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
-:::::::::That's a shame >: I'll check if it's just you if/when I get one — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:38, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Righteous Bison|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Righteous Bison]] ==
+::::Yes, I think there should be one for each gamemode.
-I'd like to reserve that, if nobody does mind. — [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 07:22, 21 July 2011 (PDT)
+::::----[[User:Slimyboi500|Slimyboi500]] ([[User talk:Slimyboi500|talk]]) [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px]] 19:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
-:I've almost done it, but only halfway through noticed that the input video actually was not 720p, but 1440x900, my native resolution. What a pain, now I'll have to refilm all that again. Sorry, but it's gonna take some more time. — [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 17:07, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
-::Aww D: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:42, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::Also I have this slight, but annoying problem with the in-game demos (the .dem kind, recorded via the RECORD console command and played via PLAYDEMO). Sometimes in the very first frame all the players\bots in the scene drop a dead body clone of themselves where they stand. This appears in about 1/3 of the recorded demos, and naturally, I cannot use these to record further into fraps. Does anyone know why this is happening and how can I avoid it? — [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 19:34, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::I didn't have such problems, but what if you just start recording before running weaponref.cfg? Then once rendered, cut out the parts where the bots weren't there — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:48, 22 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::Thanks, but those are just temporary fixes and I'm looking for the source of the problem. Also my player drops a dead body under himself too. :3 — [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 06:15, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
-I did it. :3 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEa89TEepDg YT]/[http://www.mediafire.com/?74hi292s0cs96n2 MF]. — [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 18:09, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
-:Good~ But:
-* Forgot to shoot cardboard soldier at the back
-* It is not necessary to show that reflection is impossible. This should only be done when it is possible. It does look like a projectile, I know, but yeah no need anyway. (Also, when doing reflection demo, you should be the soldier, not the pyro)
-* Make the Dispenser shooting part be a side-by-side comparison (with the Shotgun) :3 (Yes, that's gonna involve recording a long time of just staring at a dispenser debris)
-That should be it~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:17, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
-::Okay~ I tried to film the reflection part as the soldier first, but for some reason only roughly one airblast in four was actually visible and hearable. — [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 18:24, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::Like this? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ5GGND97Tw YT]/[http://www.mediafire.com/?2j2hbxhix5emzza MF]. — [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 20:30, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::That's... exactly the same video as the first one D: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:42, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::::Sorry, I should really pay more attention (and get more sleep). X_X [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QXEY43GnLc YT] / [http://www.mediafire.com/?padrd746ar6m3oh MF]. 21:36, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::::Thanks~ :3 Go to sleep now, you deserve it~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:43, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Saxxy|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Saxxy]] ==
+:::::Remember to also indent your signature and to keep your answers above the hidden comment.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
-Dear god this one's gonna be long. Start looping you cp_steel folks; I you're going to need 7 or 8 iterations. — [[User:Armisael | Armisael]] 02:46, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
-:Oh god. How can we find Saxxy??? [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 16:12, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
-:: One of the wiki people won one, so he can do it. Alternatively, items_game. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 22:11, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
-== [[File:RED_Level_3_Sentry_Gun.png|16px]] [[Sentry Gun]] ==
+::::::Still, is that a yes on the idea?
-These are just some ideas i have:
+::::::----[[User:Slimyboi500|Slimyboi500]] ([[User talk:Slimyboi500|talk]]) [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px]] 20:28, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
-* There is a heavy (or any other class with fairly high health) and have the engineer build a sentry (without getting hit with the stock wrench to build faster) and show how long it takes to kill the target. As it is building the engineer aims to the target and the sentry so they are both in view. Have the sentry kill the target.
-* Upgrade the sentry to level 2, spawn that same class (in a different corner this time, to show you can move the sentry to a different place) and have it kill the target. Do the same with a level 3 sentry also.
-* Then show how someone ubered can not get hurt but can get slowed down and tossed back from the level 3 rockets.
-* Then show a scout under the effect of [[Bonk! Atomic Punch]] will not get hurt.
-* Then show how someone with jarate on them can get crit killed and change the sentry kill icon.
-* Then show how the sentry can get controlled by the [[wrangler]].
-Now for things that can fit in there somewhere:
+{{Outdent|6}} I'm voting no, but other people might be in favour of it. [[User:Profiteer|Profiteer]] was, for example, so I'm waiting for more input.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 20:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
-* Show how the sentry can build faster by hitting it with your wrench.
-* Show how the level 3 rockets can get reflected by a pyros compression blast (may need to use the wrangler to empty it of bullets.)
-* Have three different engineers holding a level 1 2 and 3 walk next to eachother to compare the speed of an engineer holding it. (Also while an engineer is holding a sentry have him get killed to show the icon of his death and the sentry gun he is holding.)
-* Maybe if there is enough time left, show how long it takes to kill each class (maybe excluding the class we used up there) Scout-spy.
-:This would take way too long and take into accounts too many items. Things like the Scout's Bonk and the jarate are best left to their own demo; not sure the jarate is worth demonstrating anyway. For every comparison, doing it sequentially would make the video way too long, so this really has to be a split-screen, even if it's a 3-way one (not sure how that'd look). See the [[#Combat Mini-Sentry Gun|Combat Mini-Sentry Gun section]] for the list of things that need to be demonstrated — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
-Possible to get a quick scene where we note the different sounds they make depending on level? -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 03:30, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
+:I vote yes for the Zombie Infection zombies (as well Saxton Hale on VSH), but not for other gamemodes. I consider these zombies kinda like "new weapons". They all have different abilities, passives, first-person views, etc. I'm not quite sure if there needs to be a demonstration regarding the human part (only if demonstrated humans being infected by zombies upon dying), and perhaps the only thing related to humans would be that zombies drop small healthkits (because it's related to them, the zombies). A showcase of each zombie class, its ability, and some human interactions like being infected by them, and, killing them as humans, would probably be a nifty video package. [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 22:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
-:Well, that'd be "automatically there" by simply doing the comparison thing. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:37, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Splendid Screen|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Splendid Screen]] ==
+:: I'm all in for ZI and VSH demos, but a significant issue would be future balance patches to the modes. Each balance patch so far has significantly changed the zombies, and if we had already made the demo, we would have to redo the video for each one of these updates, which would result in multiple uploads of the same video over and over again and a lot of work (and given how we can barely keep up with the current demos in the [[#Need_to_be_redone|backlog]]...). Maybe instead of a gamemode demonstration, we could simply do a "zombie class demonstration" ("Zombie Sniper", etc.) and a "mechanics demonstration" (weapon modifications, gamemode-specific elements). This way, if a zombie is changed, we wouldn't have to redo the entire video. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] 22:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
-I'm currently editing and putting the demonstration together. http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/5/51/Killicon_backstab.png [[User:Epicwaffles|'''Epicwaffles''']] 18:03, 31 July 2011 (PDT)
+::: I will do the demo as soon as I get enough votes for it
+::: ----[[User:Slimyboi500|Slimyboi500]] ([[User talk:Slimyboi500|talk]]) [[File:User Slimyboi500 Profile.jpg|25px]] 18:42, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
-Is the resolution good on this sample? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-E7zmZ6SzE&feature=channel_video_title http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/5/51/Killicon_backstab.png [[User:Epicwaffles|'''Epicwaffles''']] 19:32, 31 July 2011 (PDT)
+::::Voting yes for the demo, ZI and VSH seems stable...for now at least[[User:Profiteer|Profiteer（奸商）the tryhard]] ([[User talk:Profiteer|talk]]) 11:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
-:Yes, but be careful, as you have a custom crosshair and don't have the custom HudDamageAccount.res :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:41, 31 July 2011 (PDT)
+:::::Voting yes for ZI and VSH videos. Videos per zombie for ZI is a good idea. Now, we'll have to wait for the upcoming ZI update, in which I think will be the last one with gameplay changes? · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 23:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
-Ahh, I'll make sure to get it to default ^__^ http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/5/51/Killicon_backstab.png [[User:Epicwaffles|'''Epicwaffles''']] 19:46, 31 July 2011 (PDT)
+::::::The only issue is that the maps aren't fitted well for demos, and I can't find out how to turn into zombies on normal maps.  The same goes for VSH too.
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-I need help for split screen, I know how to do it, but the hud keeps getting left out, how did the person split screen for the chargin targe video with the hud in tact? http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/5/51/Killicon_backstab.png [[User:Epicwaffles|'''Epicwaffles''']] 16:16, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
+{{Outdent|6}} The VScript would have to be ported over, as well as all the assets. Alternatively, doing all of this on an existing map of those game modes.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 00:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
-:It's using custom .res files, Armisael or Zhingo probably have it :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 14:59, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
-::Now on my user page. <small>making me give away my secret stash of huds</small> — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 15:34, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
-:::Might even want to poot it on the project homepage, as it's a high-demand thing — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:38, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
-::::Now on the main page, right underneath the normal HUD links. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 16:28, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
-::::: Thanks a lot,I appreciate the help and sorry for making you give up your stash Armisael xD http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/5/51/Killicon_backstab.png [[User:Epicwaffles|'''Epicwaffles''']] 16:40, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
-== [[File:telespin.png|16px]] [[Teleporter]]/[[Telefrag]] (combined) ==
+== Flippin' Awesome and Skullcracker in VSH ==
-{{c|wait|Reserved by (nobody)}}
+When Saxton Hale used [[Flippin' Awesome]] or [[Skullcracker]], the other mercenary participating the taunt will be [[VS_Saxton_Hale_Mode#cite_ref-10|taunt killed]], is this something worth remaking the taunt demonstration? Or we just keep the current taunt demonstration, but add this feature into the VSH demonstration? --[[User:AlexT|<span style="background:linear-gradient(#D1EEFC, #81F3FD);border:1px #99F3FD solid;color:#007FFF;border-radius:8px">'''Alex'''</span>]]┋[[User talk:AlexT|<span style="color: #FF6600;">'''T'''</span>]] 18:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
-Since Brain-Storm.exe has not responded in a while, may I take over for this one? Thank you! [[User:Dr. Huxley|Dr. Huxley]] 22:47, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
-:Reservations are merely an indicator that means "someone else is working on it, you should work on another weapon if you can so that we won't submit two demos at the same time". But you're free to override this (without asking) if you feel like it — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:58, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
-::Ah, thank you. I'll take all your suggestions to account in making it. So wait, it has to be in 3rd person? I don't recall that being necessary at all [[User:Dr. Huxley|Dr. Huxley]] 02:59, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
-:::Doesn't have to be in third-person view. However, it would be easier to understand how a teleporter works if we could see it from a first-person perspective as well as an external one (from another player with no HUD/viewmodel) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:31, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
-::::Okay thank you. So so far, I have me making an entrance, waiting for it to built, making a exit, and wrenching it to demonstrate the speed bonus. I take the level 1 teleporter in 3rd Person, and then switch back to First person to demonstrate the speed of which it recharges. Upgrade it, take the Level 2, go back, upgrade to level 3, take it, and waiting to demonstrate how fast each level recharges. Finally, I take the exit and place it next to the enemy spy behind the boxes. I take the tele, the spy dies, I taunt, done. Hopefully I should get the video up here later today. [[User:Dr. Huxley|Dr. Huxley]] 15:23, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
-:::::Do not taunt, as the teleporter has no "taunt". Also, for demonstrating recharge speed, I think the best way to do it would be to make a 3-way split screen, with a teleporter of each level on each. Stare at the teleporter for 3 seconds or so (so that the player may read its level), then take it yourself over and over again. Do that for about 20 seconds (or whatever time it takes for the level 1 to recharge twice, thus teleporting you three times). This way, the viewer can see how many more people each teleporter can teleport in the same amount of time, which I think is a better measurement of "teleporter usefulness" than only recharge time. Also, I don't think you can move a teleporter next to an enemy then use it to telefrag him; I think the enemy has to move on top of it first — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
-:::::: Actually, moving it close to an enemy works. I tried it on the spy multiple times and it proved to work flawlessly. However, I don't think I have the necessary skills to edit a video together that suit what you are looking for. Sorry, I'll leave this up to someone else to complete. [[User:Dr. Huxley|Dr. Huxley]] 18:40, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
-I tried the split-screen with the 3 levels. That's what happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7DaNSIyx1Q --[[User:CeInfo|CeInfo]] 23:18, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
+:I think a VSH demonstration would be better, as it may be confusing why Saxton Hale is suddenly there when he's not normally playable.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=Wiki Cap]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 19:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
-:Please see the technical problems described in the Disguise Kit section; they apply here as well, but also this video doesn't have a 16:9 ratio (there are black bars on the top and bottom). Please fix those before doing a demo, thanks~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:31, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
-Here's a list of things that one of us should probably do in the demonstration... (And any split-screen should of course be in sync.)
+::Yes, a demonstration regarding VSH, showing all Hale's abilities, and some unique taunt interactions, would be the most ideal (including his default taunt kill). That one would probably be more lengthy, and some things would probably require to be discussed beforehand. Like Mercs being able to wall climb (which is applied to even stock weaponry), should that be shown too? [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature Icon.png|15px|Headphones style when?|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:User Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 20:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
-* Have a split-screen for the first part. This can go in many ways. Should there simply be a two-split-screen of showing the build time and deploy time without hitting, a four-split-screen of showing the same but with the Wrenching on the last two, or, God forbid, a SIX-split-screen of showing the same as mentioned, but having the last two being Jagged? (Or simply have the first three parts be a two-split-screen with the said methods, or the first part being the standard time and the second part having Wrench and Jag) (Should both Entrance and Exit be demonstrated)
+:::I think maybe a demonstration for every game mode could be in order, as a sort of semi-tutorial created by us. A VSH one would fit that too.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=Wiki Cap]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 08:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
-::Split-screen with regular build time (for level 1) and wrenched build time (level 1), that should be enough. Then, a 3-way split screen for deployment of each level. Only entrance necessary — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:00, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
-* Have a three-split-screen of taking the Teleporter 3 times with each level (5 or 10 times would be tedious from the Level 1 Teleporter) to show the effectiveness, as you said, Wind. :D
-::Indeed, but don't take the teleporter yourself (as the video above does). Have a queue of bots and/or friends take it sequentially as fast as possible, by standing on the entrance as soon as the previous person disappears — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:00, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
-* If indeed putting NEXT to an enemy works, then have one where a non-Ubered enemy gets telefragged, and surprise the viewers by having an Ubered enemy be telefragged (because according to the [[Telefrag]] article, Ubered enemies can die from it).
-::It does work. Telefragging should be shown for a normal enemy, an ubered enemy, and an ubering Medic — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:00, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
-* Make another three-split-screen of the Spy sapping each level of the Teleporter, showing how long it takes until they get destroyed from an Electro Sapper (or is that purpose going to be for the Electro Sapper demonstration?)
-::It should be in this demonstration indeed, otherwise the Sapper one is a bit long — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:00, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
-I could be missing some, if so, remind me. =P (As for the Uber part, I just KNOW it will be possible, but just requires...a lot of scripting in theory) [[User:AbeX300|AbeX300]] 21:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
+== Configs for partner taunt demonstrations ==
-:To my surprise, I actually managed to pull all of these off (and a rotating demonstration), but the problem is, it's three minutes, two seconds, and 16 frames long, and there is obviously no "old film styled" music that is even at least a minute and half. How am I going to this... ._. [[User:AbeX300|AbeX300]] 23:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
+I've created some configs for partner taunt demonstrations. It automatically spawns 2 bots, places you in the starting position, and has another small command ("teleport") to input after it to teleport both the bots to the right position. It binds H and J to the bots performing taunts, H = BLU bot does taunt, J = RED bot does taunt. They're all class-specific and automatically kick any other bots there. There's no way (right now) that I know of to update the weaponref.zip, so if anyone needs it I can forward you a zip of the files. Just let me know on my talk page (or if you know of a way to update weaponref).<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
-::There are many such demos with lengths longer than a minute now, most of them are made with looping the central part of the cp_steel training track. Use Audacity or Vegas, both of them can do the trick. However, since this is a tough demo that I am sure will take at least 3~6 retakes (yeah, I know D:), don't bother with the music until the content is all right. So, please upload what you have right now first~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:00, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
-:::Alright, I decided to be a clever man and artificially lengthened the music: <removed> [[User:AbeX300|AbeX300]] 00:29, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
-::::Music is good but a lot of other things... aren't ><:
-* Never stretch the screen; crop it instead. As teleporter levels are hard to distinguish, you can write on the video as is done with the [[Rocket Jumper]] demo: TF2 secondary, in white, in the bottom left corner, thin outline, and fade in/out
-* Can't hear the in-game audio, music is too loud
-* The efficiency part is not just 2 for each level. It's ''as many as possible'' on all clips until two people can be teleported on the level 1. This allows the viewer to see how many more people can be teleported by increasing the level, which is the point of the efficiency comparison
-* I should probably define a clear sequential plan for this, because this video seems to do a lot of things at the same time and is a bit hard to follow for a new player. I realize that this considerably cuts on creativity and will lengthen the video, but I think it is necessary given the complexity of this demonstration. Here goes:
-** Clip one: Two-way split-screen. Build a teleporter (show the PDA and everything); one with wrench, one without
-*** Still in clip one, synchronized: Build teleporter exit; one with wrench, one without. To synchronize the two, you can make a bind with long <code>wait</code> commands so that the delays are the same in both versions
-*** End of clip 1
-** Clip 2: No split-screen. Take the teleporter in first person, to show what a teleporter actually does
-*** Still in clip 2: Have a bot take your teleporter, to show that teammates can take it
-*** Still in clip 2: Have a Spy sap the teleporter. Observer the sapper, then show that it is also on the other side of the teleporter
-*** Still in clip 2: Still in clip 2: Step on the teleporter and look at it, to show that you cannot use it while it is being sapped
-*** Still in clip 2: Unsap it, showing that it unsaps both ends
-*** Still in clip 2: Repair the ''entrance'', then have the Spy drop a sapper again
-*** Still in clip 2: Unsap the ''exit'', to show that it unsaps both ends; then repair it, to show that ti repairs both ends. While unsapping, make sure to leave the the leporter entrance in view
-*** Still in clip 2: Grab the teleporter entrance (as in right-click), show that this disables the other side
-*** Still in clip 2: Drop it somewhere else, take the teleporter when it is ready
-*** Still in clip 2: Grab the teleporter again (as in right-click)
-*** Still in clip 2: Drop it somewhere else, wrench it while it redeploys, and take it again
-*** End of clip 2
-** Clip 3: 3-way split-screen. Upgrade your teleporter to level 2 on the second video, and level 3 on the third one. Have a bunch of friends in the server, out of view
-*** Still in clip 3, synchronized: Have friend 1 step on the teleporter on each video
-*** Still in clip 3: As soon as friend 1 is teleported (before the teleporter recharges), friend 2 steps on it and friend 3 takes friend 2's previous place (the queue advances)
-*** Still in clip 3: As soon as friend 2 is teleported (before the teleporter recharges), friend 3 steps on it and friend 4 takes friend 3's previous place (the queue advances)
-*** Still in clip 3: Rinse and repeat for {insert duration that it takes for two players to be teleported with a level 1 teleporter here} seconds
-*** End of clip 3
-** Clip 4: 3-way split-screen. Have a working teleporter (with an off-screen exit), and an enemy Spy next to it
-*** Still in clip 4, synchronized: Have the Spy sap the 3 teleporters
-*** Still in clip 4: While the sapper is in place, move yourself around to have both the entrance and the exit in view. Careful when doing this, since the video will be severely cropped due to the 3-split-screen
-*** Still in clip 4: Wait for the teleporter to be destroyed in all videos, showing that both ends get destroyed
-*** End of clip 4
-** Clip 5: No split-screen: Have a teleporter entrance+exit already built before the clip starts, and have an enemy somewhere visible on the map
-*** Clip 5: Have a bot walk (other than Medic or Heavy) and stop on your teleporter exit
-*** Still in clip 5: Take your teleporter, stare at the enemy's corpse
-*** End of clip 5
-** Clip 6: No split-screen: Have a teleporter entrance+exit already built before the clip starts, and have a Charged Medic + Heavy somewhere visible on the map
-*** Clip 6: Have the Heavy walk and stop on your teleporter exit
-*** Still in clip 6: Unleash the ubercharge
-*** Still in clip 6: Take your teleporter, stare at the still-charging Medic, and at the Heavy's corpse
-*** End of clip 6
-** Clip 7: No split-screen: Have a teleporter entrance+exit already built before the clip starts, and have a Charged Medic + Heavy somewhere visible on the map
-*** Clip 7: Have the Medic walk and stop on your teleporter exit
-*** Still in clip 7: Unleash the ubercharge
-*** Still in clip 7: Take your teleporter, stare at the Medic's corpse, and at the unfortunate Heavy
-*** End of clip 7
-Remember to leave at least 1~2 seconds at beginning ''and'' at the end of each of every ''bullet point'' (not just clips), and longer pauses between clips.
-Yes, this is a very hard demonstration, and I don't expect one person to pull it off alone; ask for help/"recording buddies" if you need, record demo files, etc.; you will need them.
+== New tr_karma and requirements ==
+I've been working in the past week in fixing some issues tr_karma has and some new guidelines. The changes to tr_karma are:
+* Increased lightmap quality in the interiors
+* Fixed a "checkerboard" texture in the gas cylinder, the ceiling fan and the cardboard boxes
+* Added chat scripts to enable noclip (!n in the chat), regenerate (!r), spawn an ammo pack (!am) and enable demonstration server settings (!demo) (these commands are available also in the new tr_karma_basic.cfg)
+* Fixed the func_buttons in the wood targets only working once, thus displaying the hit particle once
+* Removed Tough Break cases and the Gargoyle prop as they didn't fit the ambience
+* Removed the mining cart prop in the rails due of a lighting issue
+* Repacked the map, reducing the map size from ~91 MB to ~18 MB
+The link to the download and new proposed guidelines are [[User:Ashe/Sandbox2|here]]. Check them out and give feedback · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 16:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
-You may also want to do only one of the above clips, and upload the video in a lossless format for another person to pick it up. x264vfw has a lossless option, or you can use Huffyuv for the job :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 01:53, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
+== Issues with tr_krama and tr_krama_event ==
-:You shouldn't feel humiliated by this D: Making demos an iterative process, just like writing articles on the wiki. It does involve lots of work (drafts) getting scrapped in the end. >: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 02:48, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
+When I start a local server and load tr_krama/tr_krama_event, it won't load (probably because it doesn't exsit) lights/shadow making the map super bright, this only happens on 2 krama maps, I tried to download a modified version of tr_krama on workshop and it worked perfectly, pretty sure something is missing in the map file from weaponref.zip.[[User:Profiteer|<font color="8470FF">Profiteer]] the tryhard ([[User talk:Profiteer|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Profiteer|contribute]])</font> 05:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
-:Sorry I haven't responded, this looks like more work than I would want to go through.  I un-reserve it (even though it looks like that has been done already).  I just have one suggestion, don't forget that using a dispenser and a tele, you can get to places you couldn't before.  Please do demonstrate that (don't forget moving the tele exit too).  [[User:Brain-Storm.exe|Brain-Storm.exe]] 23:54, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
+:It works fine on my end.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 10:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
+::Join the IRC to help you @Profiteer · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 21:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
+:::@Profiteer do you have HDR enabled? · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 16:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
-Quick question.  Can there be a video with a quick-fade or cut-away to make the video quicker? [[User:DennoCoil|DennoCoil]] 21:42, 27 June 2011 (PDT)
+== Question about 2D and 3D player models ==
-:If necessary, I suppose — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:43, 27 June 2011 (PDT)
-::And what of the Replay feature?  If there are gonna be a example of Telefrags, I'm gonna need a disguised spy bot and a heavy bot to stand on the exit teleporter.  It would be good to get a objective 3rd person view as well as first person view.  [[User:DennoCoil|DennoCoil]] 21:50, 27 June 2011 (PDT)
-= Need to be redone =
+A question I've had for a while about weapon demonstrations is, is there a specific reason that 2D player images in the HUD are standard rather than the 3D player model (be it for performance, consistency, or any other reason), also considering that 3D player models are enabled by default? The 3D model could also generally be more useful for certain cosmetics or demonstrations. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 16:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Battalion's Backup|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Battalion's Backup]] ==
-{{c|done but needs to be redone (aspect ratio)}}
-:The Battalion's Backup now need to take 350 damage to fully charge, and this is not showed in the actual demonstration.
-:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPm9sITk76k [[File:ModestScout.png|25px]] [[User:Zafir168|<b><i>Zafir168</i></b>]] 20:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
-::Some little things~
-* The Medic should be called "Friendly Medic" (no underscores). Use quotations marks in console if you want spaces to work in arguments
-* Medic "teleports" at 0:19
-* The Soldier kills the Heavy in the killfeed, yet another heavy teleports in his place, which is confusing D:
-* Need to show that you cannot charge it by firing at enemies, unlike the two other "musical instruments" of the Soldier
-— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
-:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK_IbO_nEJo [[File:ModestScout.png|25px]] [[User:Zafir168|<b><i>Zafir168</i></b>]] 16:07, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
-:: Just for fun:
-* You should come out of the loadout menu with the BB out.
-* You should show that self-damage doesn't charge the BB.
-* The sight on your rocket launcher is blocking the view of the soldier and medic after you activate the BB.
-* Your video doesn't show the difference in damage taken with and without the BB very well.
-* It doesn't show the difference in damage taken by teammates at all.
-* At Wind: I question the need to show that damage to other players doesn't charge the banner. If so, shouldn't the buff banner demo show that it can't be charged by taking damage, like the other two 'instruments'? The Darwin Danger Shield doesn't show that you're immune to backstabs with it either, which was commented on in that video.
-:: To be fair, half of these weren't present in the previous video, but why settle for mediocrity? — [[User:Armisael | Armisael]] 19:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
-:::Alright, no need to demonstrate that damage to other players charge it then. The first thing (You should come out of the loadout menu with the BB out.) is a plus but not a requirement, so that's alright. Self-damage is a good idea to show, since self-damage did charge the BB in the past and was changed later. The rocket launcher viewmodel is indeed blocking all of the action (the medic launching his uber, and all the rockets). The difference between crits/noncrits is actually shown by the fact that the first few rockets are non-crit and deal the same damage as the crit ones later in the video. However, I agree that a split-screen comparison would be nice, if it is possible :3 Just make sure that all the action is clearly visible, not blocked by that silly rocket launcher — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
-:Ok, I will work on it and upload as fast as I can. As for the coming out of the loadout menu with the BB being out, I don't agree. In every demo I made whare I was showeing of a secondary or melee weapon, I always showed the "select" animation of it and I prefer sticking to my rules. :P [[File:ModestScout.png|25px]] [[User:Zafir168|<b><i>Zafir168</i></b>]] 07:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
-:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBHKvi6XGpo
-Let me get some things on the table:
-*I always let the Medic heal me and the Heavy to the max health to show the damage difference between a direct hit by the rocket and the rocket's splash damage.
-*The reason why the Medic made pauses when healing me or Heavy, was because he stoped healing when we got hit by the rocket's splash damage or the rocket it self. I find this usefull dought because the healing pauses give you a chance to see how much health was left.
-*I hope that the damage comparition when the BB was used and whan not between me and Heavy showed well how the BB protects me and my team mates and I also hope that a horizontal damage comparition view was more accurate than a vertical and that I don't need to redo this any more. [[File:ModestScout.png|25px]] [[User:Zafir168|<b><i>Zafir168</i></b>]] 16:30, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
-:Sadly, Zhingo's modified HUD would have been very useful for this one, but the download link seems to not work anymore...
-Anyway, first part is good, please keep that one. In the other two, it is again almost impossible to tell that there is a Medic with a kritzkrieg behind the Soldier! D: It is also impossible to see that the rockets are crits because they are above the visible part of the screen. Here's various things you can do:
-* Instead of cropping the top half, crop both the top and the bottom, so that the middle of the screen is visible (so that we can see it's critical rockets)
-* Place the Medic next to the Soldier, not behind, so that both are clearly visible
-* During the second comparison (on the heavy), you don't have to stay there in the little thing. Jump outside and position yourself so that you can see the entire scene (medic, heavy, soldier, and rockets) all at the same time, and record from that angle (you can use <code>getpos</code> and <code>setpos</code> to keep the angle consistent between the two takes). Make sure the Medic is not hidden behind the Soldier, etc.
-Sorry to ask for you to redo this again :( (although only the second part), take your time if you need :3 Just keep visibility in mind — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:33, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
-[http://www.mediafire.com/?3tpru13a481uc Here's] the splitscreen HUD I use (ie, Zhingo's first one). Just throw the files into your tf/resources/ui folder. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 02:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
+: they're buggy, eat up frame rate on a lot of systems, and aren't really necessary. I don't think they really add anything of value to the videos so my vote would be to keep them disabled. [[User:Mediarch|'''Mediarch''']] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|'''Talk''']][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|'''My Edits''']] 16:50, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
-:Thanks :3 So, for vertical split-screens, you can use this to push the interface towards the center of the screen so that they stay visible when cropped~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:34, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
-:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtVXhFu5E70 I think that this one should be it. [[File:ModestScout.png|25px]] [[User:Zafir168|<b><i>Zafir168</i></b>]] 14:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
-:Sorry but I think I didn't explain the angle correctly :( Maybe this will help:
-http://upload.gaiatools.com/files/DemoPlacement_0.png
-:The part with the damage on the Soldier is good though, keep that one. Just need to redo that Heavy one :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:04, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
-:I didn't wanted to do it horizontaly beacause of this reason [http://oi52.tinypic.com/2qcqvcz.jpg With comparison]. Also I need to aim with the rocket launcher a bit to the ground, or else you can't see the Heavy because of it [http://oi55.tinypic.com/r2p535.jpg With out comparison]. Any ideas? [[File:ModestScout.png|25px]] [[User:Zafir168|<b><i>Zafir168</i></b>]] 10:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
-::Instead of cropping the top 50% of both videos, crop the top 25% and the bottom 25% of both videos o: That way you can see the middle of the screen on both screens. Would that work? (Also, the Medic's Kritzkrieg is invisible in that picture; make sure this doesn't happen in the final video) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:04, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
-:Unfortunately, people on my server can't see my non-stock items and I can't see thares as well. If anyone knows how to solve this problem, let me know. [[File:ModestScout.png|25px]] [[User:Zafir168|<b><i>Zafir168</i></b>]] 12:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
-::Sorry, don't really know why but that does sound pretty bad D: If you need to use the wiki server for this, please poke me or Lagg on [[IRC]] whenever you want~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:14, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIq9MmtT8Qw I ought to show that fall damage doesn't charge the banner, but I thought I'd check to see if you had other comments (becasue this particular video never goes smoothly). — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 10:02, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
-:As I said to Zafir168, the "Heavy being fired at" scene needs to be visible in full. Otherwise, it's impossible to tell whether the rockets being fired are crits or not. Please refer to the screenshot above for a camera angle that I think would work for this >: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 10:43, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
-::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlRv0xMjMTo — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 12:49, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::Uh, leetle obvious glitch during the last few seconds D: Also, the Soldier is not holding the Battalion's Backup in the backpack view (he is holding the rocket launcher) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 13:07, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSugp_nXgPM You'd think I would've starting noticing those kind of errors months ago. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 16:22, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::::Well, there is one more thing that I forgot to mention in the previous reviews D: As you can see in the screenshot above, the Heavy should be positioned outside the wooden fence, so that the glow of the Battalion's Backup is clearly displayed, to show that he is under the effect. I know this specific weapon demonstration has a history of errors and then me forgetting things >.< I sure hope this is the last one. Thanks~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:42, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WULKDEarpQ — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 20:09, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::::::Thank you~ Yay, one huge demo down — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:26, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Big Earner|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Big Earner]] ==
+::As far as I know, there's no real reason that we prefer one over the other. 3D models are enabled by default, but it may have just been something that was done for a while and became the standard.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 16:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmglHQLgkZ0 I wanted to show that kills have to be with the knife in order to regen cloak, but it does dirupt the normal pattern a little. Thoughts? — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 20:38, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-:How about killing the Soldier with only the Revolver then? Would show that the knife doesn't "inject cloakjuice" into the target — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:50, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw3vu2fyAtg — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 21:20, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::Sorry I'm bad at this, but could you also lose cloak for the backstab and for the taunt kill? To show that you get cloak for both of those :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:41, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtQta-Qz5LA — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 22:24, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::::Waitwaitwait there's something I don't understand here. Do you get cloak if you start hitting him with the knife then finishing him off with the revolver, but don't get cloak if you use only the revolver? — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:02, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::::You only get cloak if you kill with the Big Earner. It doesn't matter which weapon does most of the damage; if the killing blow is with the knife, you get cloak. If not, you get nothing.— [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 09:41, 27 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::::::Yet in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmglHQLgkZ0 your first video], your clearly did get cloak when killing the Soldier with the revolver... o_O — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:55, 27 July 2011 (PDT)
-Does this weapon still need a redo of it's demonstration?--[[User:Mellotaku|Mellotaku]] 13:32, 27 July 2011 (PDT)
+:::Fair point, it would obviously be a massive hassle to redo every demonstration with a 2D player model. Also for some people I suppose keeping them off improves framerate. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 19:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
-:Probably yes, but what exactly will need to wait on wind to figure out how this gun works and for the item servers to come back up. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 13:38, 27 July 2011 (PDT)
+::::I'm pretty sure it's because when they were added to the game, it caused lag to a lot of people. The recent 64 bits update fixed the 3d character using a lot of cpu and now it shouldn't affect fps (although i guess modern pcs didn't have issue with it anyways) · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 15:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
-::Alright, I will wait, thank you Armisael.--[[User:Mellotaku|Mellotaku]] 14:06, 27 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::Well, here is my version of the Big Earner demonstration, please let me know about anything I should fix. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhLk5sbYI50 http://www.mediafire.com/?cco08l66yzuz4th--[[User:Mellotaku|Mellotaku]] 17:09, 27 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::Sadly there was a misunderstanding on my part since the first version of Armisael's video. I saw that he regained cloak by killing the soldier; as a result, I thought he wanted to show that cloak '''can''' be gained by killing with the Revolver, which isn't true. However, that cloak gain turned out to simply be ammo from the rocket launcher, so yeah... :( It is not necessary to demonstrate that this effect only applies to the knife. Passive effects like damage resistance, yes; active effects like this, no, the description is clear enough.
-::::So the current demonstration shall stay for now >: Sorry about the wasted time, effort, and bandwidth. I will, however, list what is wrong in this video anyway so that you can avoid those mistakes in future videos:
-* The knife backstabbing animation is not playing. This is due to crits being turned off by the config by default; for special cases like the knife, please turn crits back on so that the animation works
-* Switch weapons with the number keys, to avoid cycling through weapons (especially not the disguise kit)
-* Do not show the tauntkill-spy until it is tauntkill time
-* When doing damage comparison with one-thing-kills-you-the-other-doesn't, don't kill both; only fire what is necessary to kill the weaker variant
-Hope this helps :3 And sorry about all of that
-— [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:55, 27 July 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|Claidheamh Mòr|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Claidheamh Mòr]] ==
+== Mastercomfig question ==
-The video doesn't show the 2 second less charge recharge rate the weapon has. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 06:49, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Electro Sapper|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Electro Sapper]] ==
+I am planning to make a demonstration, and the recommended requirements state that Mastercomfig High/Ultra is preferrable. However, I highly doubt my PC is able to run Mastercomfig High/Ultra properly and all the other high graphics settings. Is it acceptable if I use Mastercomfig Medium High and use average graphics settings? May look slightly lower quality than a typical reservation, but I don't think much will be affected. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 21:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
-{{c|done, but needs to be re-done (show building disabled-ness)}}
-First time editing a post, so I hope I'm doing it right. :3 Anyways, I'm pretty sure I can make it to show the disabled-ness by sapping the buildings and then trying to interact with them. For example, sapping a Sentry then undisguising in front of it to show it wouldn't shoot. [[User:Nooph|Nooph]] 21:54, 24 February 2011 (EST)
-:Or trying to get cloak from a Dispenser being sapped, or not being able to use a teleporter that's being sapped (might want to use a teammate for that: have a level 3 teleporter, have him take it, wait for recharge, sap, demonstrate that he can't use it anymore, unsap, and then he can.) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
-:I just realized that TF2 can't go into antialiasing mode for me. Is there any way to force it, like in the Console or the launch options? [[User:Nooph|Nooph]] 06:49, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
-::Use mat_antialiasing (or mat_antialias maybe) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:33, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
-:::I can't record smoothly enough. Can't do it :( [[User:Nooph|Nooph]] 22:54, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
-::::I suppose I can do it then, the original video seems to cover all aspects fine other than forgetting to show the disabledness of the sentry. Maybe with a small addition showing a teammate helping taking it down. [[User:Ailure|Ailure]] 17:38, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
-::::Alright, I'm in the planning stage and hopefully have something soon. I try to incorperate all the things covered in the orginal video plus the suggestions done here. :) [[User:Ailure|Ailure]] 18:41, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Eyelander|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Eyelander]] ==
+:Ultra is preferable, but setting your game to all max settings should suffice.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
-Eyelander needs to be redone.  The current video does not adequately show the move speed bonus of the various head counts.  It also does not show the bonus to the damage of the [[Chargin' Targe]].
+::Well, I'll look through some configurations, and if I find one that looks high enough quality without sacrificing my computer's performance I will use it (my PC is not too high spec, to say the least). My demonstration is for the Cleaner's Carbine; once you review it tell me your thoughts. For me this is especially important because I will need to screen record this too. [[User:Scorchshotgaming|Scorchshotgaming]] ([[User talk:Scorchshotgaming|talk]]) 21:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
+== Closed Captions/Subtitles ==
-[[User:Radiant Void|Radiant Void]] 02:46, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
+Random thought today for a low priority task: creating subtitle files to explain what is being demonstrated during the videos. Potentially beneficial for new players; for example, and what made me think of this, during the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzaDV6NNHXs pomson] video we're shown a spy POV getting hit by the pomson to demonstrate the cloak drain, which is only noticed if the player is looking at the cloak HUD element, which is pretty easy to miss (imo), especially if you're new and have no idea what's going on and are just looking at the engie firing the shot.
-:Yeah, and the current video has the old loadout pose (i.e. one handed) and there are new voice responses-[[User:SpaceAnimator|SpaceAnimator]] 08:03, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
+<strike>Looking at [https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2734698?hl=en#zippy=%2Cadvanced-file-formats youtube supported formats] I'd reckon TTML is probably the way to go since it supports positioning (important imo) and styling (not very important imo). I've found [https://github.com/SubtitleEdit/subtitleedit this open source] editor which supports TTML and offers a built in video-from-url import for syncing.</strike> - After messing around for a bit, positioning seems very disconnected between the previews in that app and actually uploading the files to youtube, although once the proper settings are found it should be a breeze to copy paste the templates before submitting, might investigate after finals done next week if I can remember.
-The "Chargin' Targe" part could probably be excluded.  And I understand the logistical issue of displaying 5 screens at once, so maybe 0 heads / 2 heads / 3 heads / 5 heads?
+On the admin side of things, seems like it's about 5 clicks to add a subtitle file. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnKOX2PaQZY Subtitle editor permissions] exist so it doesn't have to only be one person officially implementing these (which is what uploads appears to be if I'm not mistaken). Potentially the actual subtitle file contents could be put into this project's page as subpages e.g. [[Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000]] [[Weapon Demonstration/Subtitles/Pomson 6000/es]] and then create a category to mark them as ready to upload/update. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 19:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-[[User:Radiant Void|Radiant Void]] 17:12, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
+:Investigation has been made, a combination of the subtitling software [https://aegisub.org/ aegisub] and a corresponding [https://github.com/arcusmaximus/YTSubConverter converter] app work wonderfully. No positioning nonsense like all the other editors I could find and they offer style + positional templates so everything can be standardized. I've uploaded an [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_7Nhmng61c example] for half of the pomson demo (creating templates and finding the software wore me out too much to finish it rn). 240p bc I have .1kbps upload and can't be arsed waiting to upload HD. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 06:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
-I'd like to reserve that. And the Nine Iron too, since they're identical. — [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 06:55, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
+:: The issue is actually uploading the subtitles. I've actually uploaded subtitles for all intro videos back when we uploaded the zombie infection one and it was such a pain... I took me ''days''. YouTube has a way to bulk upload them, but it seems limited to business accounts, which we are not and can't apply for.
-:I'm off overseas tomorrow and I never took the time do demonstrate it. So, sorry for that. :( I'm lifting the reserve. — [[User:Zhnigo|Zhnigo]] 18:34, 27 July 2011 (PDT)
+:: A request that is very frequent, and something that I've done a few times, is adding timestamps for when something happens in a video ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN-cAG3kW2I&lc=Ugzg0JWOWoTusUnnkqJ4AaABAg.9x1ptkjgJ8x9y19le2sD_i c this video] - a commenter asked to add timestamps for each minigun). I think we could do that more often out of courtesy (it actually does help), but not as a requirement for demos. — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] 17:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
-::Aww, baibai~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:55, 27 July 2011 (PDT)
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9nn32RRhPo You were talking about a six-way split screen in the UHHHH section, so I threw together a possible format. I've cropped the top third off each shot to preserve the aspect ratio, but the screen is still kinda cluttered. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 16:47, 28 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::Well that's not too bad, though I was thinking about 3x2, not 2x3. Also try and get a cropped screen (with the UI interface moved inwards) so that the head count gets readable when viewed at the small (default) youtube player size. Not sure how it'll look, so try eet — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:10, 28 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4bM_n0-wyI — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 10:40, 29 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::::Crop just a tiny bit more or (even better) make the HUD element of the head count bigger, because it's still hard to read >: But I do think it's a better screen separation this way — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:42, 29 July 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Golden Wrench|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Golden Wrench]] ==
+::: As mentioned, there is a separate permission for subtitles. Seems like you can also upload the subtitles from an [https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/docs/captions/insert API]. Potentially this can be combined with the subtitle page idea and have a bot with a subtitle permission yt account to automatically upload them from the wiki. [[User:Jh34ghu43gu|Jh34ghu43gu]] ([[User talk:Jh34ghu43gu|talk]]) 18:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
-{{c|Done but needs to be redone (new sound <s>+ sprite</s>)}}
-:Seems like Valve added a new sound <s>and a sprite</s> for whenever you turn an enemy into gold. {{n}} {{User:EpicEric/Sig/Image|RED}} {{User:EpicEric/Sig/Text|Epic|#5885A2}} {{User:EpicEric/Sig/Text|Eric|#B8383B}} {{User:EpicEric/Sig/Image|BLU}}{{User:EpicEric/Sig/Extra}} 21:36, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
-::It's just the sound actually, but that doesn't mean it's less important to redo this. {{n}} {{User:EpicEric/Sig/Image|RED}} {{User:EpicEric/Sig/Text|Epic|#5885A2}} {{User:EpicEric/Sig/Text|Eric|#B8383B}} {{User:EpicEric/Sig/Image|BLU}}{{User:EpicEric/Sig/Extra}} 17:08, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
-:If they add some new sound. I think we need to redo it again. [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 17:01, 14 July 2011 (PDT)
-== [[File:Backpack Heavy Bundle.png|16px]] [[The Hibernating Bear]] ==
+::::I personally don't like the idea of describing it with text, as I'm afraid we or the people might get reliant on it, rather than the textless demonstration. Plus, it'll likely become outdated very fast.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 19:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
-{{c|done but needs to be redone}}
-I think that this set needs to be redone (sorry AbeX300!) because when the Soldier fires the first crit rocket, the full item set Heavy looks like he's lost more health due to the [[Warrior's Spirit]] lowering the max health. So I was thinking maybe we could have one of the Heavies with the full set (with 280 health) and a Heavy with just the Warrior's Spirit (with 280 health surprise surprise) then fire the crit rocket and see who has lost more health. Then do the rest as normal. Tell me if there are any problems with this idea. Thanks. [[User:SpaceAnimator|<span style="font-weight:bold;">SpaceAnimator</span>]] 09:48, 2 May 2011 (GMT)
-:It has been brought up already, but I don't think it's worth redoing; the Warrior's Spirit is part of the set, so having 280 HP is part of the things you have to deal with if you want to go with this set. I understand that you might want to use the Warrior's Spirit without the rest of the set, but it's not the "common case".
-Regardless, if anyone really wants to redo it, they can — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:46, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
+== Achievement Demonstrations on the official TF Wiki YouTube channel ==
-Perhaps have a Hibernating Heavy and a Standard Issue Heavy. Overheal both, then have a Sniper fire a fully charged Headshot at both. From what I've learnt, the Standard Heavy will be killed, but the Hibernating Heavy should survive (Until Gutshot). [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 09:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
+Weapon demonstrations are very helpful in letting newer players know how a weapon fires or how an unlock's attributes affect standard gameplay, while keeping older players up-to-date on balance changes. But what if we assisted players of all kinds in learning how to earn TF2's 520 [[achievements]]? Introducing [https://www.drive.google.com/drive/u/5/folders/1yN_aq-13yxwwgsZrs0LbnkKCk1f3YZfE Achievement Demonstrations]! ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJGNf5H5IRU Video])
+=== ''"Why demonstrate achievements?"'' ===
+TF2 has '''hundreds''' of achievements, with many having rather ''vague'' descriptions. Thus, actively attempting to earn them may seem daunting to many players. Demonstration videos would provide clarity and encouragement to both newcomers and achievement hunters alike.
+=== ''"How should achievements be demonstrated?"'' ===
+Any achievements showcased should be earned in intended ways, utilizing simplest methods. [[Strategy#Achievement_strategies|This page]] should serve as a general guide. Weapon unlocks and cosmetics should be avoided unless essential to earning the achievement. General achievements that are earnable by any class should feature the [[Scout]] by default. Demonstrations should be primarily versus [[bots]], though versing another player will be necessary at times.
+* '''''[[Taunts#Kill_taunts|Taunt kill]] and [[Deathcam]]-related achievements:''''' Should feature the victim's Deathcam perspective of the player earning the achievement.
+* '''''Achievements involving performance of a repetitive task over a lengthy period of time:''''' Should be presented with a fade effect representing a time lapse, with only the start and earning of the achievement needed to be shown.
+* '''''[[Achievement_items|Milestone achievements]]:''''' Could be accomplished with either a brief compilation of the prerequisite achievements being earned, or with a simple showing of only the final achievement popup, along with the associated achievement item being claimed from the notifications menu.
+* '''''Achievements requiring Steam friends:''''' These will require alt accounts or coordination amongst contributors.
+* '''''Unobtainable achievements (ie certain [[Replay_achievements|Replay achievements]]):''''' Should be presented with a note informing watchers the achievement is currently unable to be earned.
+* '''''[[Achievements#Joke_achievements|Joke achievements]]:''''' A demonstration should not be necessary for these.
+=== ''"Where should achievements be demonstrated?"'' ===
+Achievements should generally be showcased on tr_karma_wiki, tr_karma_event_wiki, or a variant edited in [[Valve_Hammer_Editor|Hammer]] with altered bot spawn locations.
+* '''''[[Arena]] achievements:''''' arena_karma_wiki.
+* '''''[[Capture the Flag]] achievements:''''' ctf_karma_wiki.
+* '''''[[Control point]] achievements:''''' cp_karma_wiki.
+* '''''[[King of the Hill]] achievements:''''' koth_karma_wiki.
+* '''''[[Mann_vs._Machievements|MvM achievements]]:''''' mvm_karma_wiki. Can utilize custom waves.
+* '''''[[Payload]] achievements:''''' pl_karma_wiki.
+* '''''[[List_of_maps|Map]]-specific achievements:''''' The official map associated with the achievement. MvM maps can utilize custom waves.
+* '''''Event-related achievements:''''' tr_karma_event_wiki or an edited variant.
+* '''''[[Replay]] achievements:''''' Should only use replays taken from one of the maps listed above.
+[[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 19:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-No, the Warrior's Spirit lowers the max health to 280 (overhealed is 420) and a fully charged headshot does 428 damage with the full set so even with the crit resitance, you still die. Hoped this helped ;).
+: {{c|con}} My personal vote on this would be a no. I just don't see the need and it would feel spammy. The majority of achievements are pretty self explanitory. The few that are vague are thouroughly explained in the [[Obtaining General achievements|"Obtaining Achievements"]] type pages. This would be a massive ammount of work to produce and aprove all of these for what feels like very little to no gain in my opinion. Producing hundreds of videos explaining basic things feels like a huge waste of energy. I could maybe see an argument for making "official guides" for some of the more convoluted achievements but the wiki definitely shouldn't be making hundreds of videos covering basic stuff like "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances". [[User:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Mediarch'''</font>]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[User talk:Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''Talk'''</font>]][[User:Mediarch|<font color="#ff66cc"> ♥ </font>]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|<font color="ec5c69">'''My Edits'''</font>]] 20:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-[[User:SpaceAnimator|<span style="font-weight:bold;">SpaceAnimator</span>]] 20:08, 12 May 2011 (GMT)
+:: Time and energy are non-factors as I am entirely willing to solo produce these if needed. And even basic achievements have their nuances. Per your example, does "Destroy 3 teleporter entrances" include ones that are being constructed? What about ones that are being sapped? Do destruction assists count? Et cetera. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 20:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT6qKo8_N4w Let's get a better splitscreen on this one. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 20:15, 25 July 2011 (PDT)
-::Stock weapons when possible please~ (Spy is wearing the Enforcer). Also, fire more slowly (leave more time between the shots). And turn on dat AA D: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:39, 25 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95XxJWRo1yc Hopefully the homewrecker is sufficiently visually distinctive. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 09:04, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::I guess that'll do :3 Thanks~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:10, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker]] ==
+:::I've heard that quite a few times about different projects, this is not something you will finish, trust me. I personally don't believe these add much value, some achievements are very self-explanatory, and the how-to is exactly why we have these pages. It's a neat idea, but there's too much that would go into these (including needing to pretty much reset all your achievements each time). If a project is going to be made, it needs to be accessible for everyone, or at least more than a few people willing to reset all their achievements.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 22:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-{{c|done but needs to be redone (now has taunt kill)}}
+::::It took only a few hours to make/edit the 5 example videos, the rest of the time I spent working on this project was spent planning and mapping (I had to learn how to use Hammer). Realistically, it would only take a few months for me to complete them all, and that's just with one person working on them. As for resetting achievements, [https://github.com/gibbed/SteamAchievementManager Steam Achievement Manager] is a facilitative way to modify your Steam achievement progress at will. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 23:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-: This needs to be redone because it now uses the [[Decapitation]] taunt.
+:::::And to refute the idea that a lot of the achievements are ''"too basic,"'' this same logic could apply just as much to any other demonstrations: [[weapons]] can simply be playtested by anyone booting up the game and firing them a few times, [[taunts]] can be freely previewed in the [[Mann Co. Store]], all the [[Cosmetic_item|cosmetic]] videos exist simply to show they can earn assists, and so on. Meanwhile, a great deal of achievements are rather specific or obtuse in how to actually earn them and would greatly benefit from a video demonstration. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 23:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-[[User:SpaceAnimator|<span style="font-weight:bold;">SpaceAnimator</span>]] 11:30, 4 June 2011 (GMT)
-:Can I do this? I have lv.64 UHHH but I didn't use widescreen moniter. [[User:hinaomi|Hinaomi]]
-::As long as the video is 16:9 and of resolution larger than or equal to 1280x720, yes~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
-While he does his version, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjcaQio3SM I'll post mine]. [http://www.mediafire.com/?r35zl84gdigaetb Download here.] --[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 00:35, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
-:Needs more heads, like the [[Eyelander]] demo :3 Otherwise it doesn't show the "capped at 4 heads" thingy — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 01:25, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
-:: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGViES4aRUc Here's V2 for you, then.] [http://www.mediafire.com/?bd01ese4klrep07 Download here.] --[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 16:45, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
-:::Here's a "is good, thanks~" for you then :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
-Unfortunately may have to be redone yet again; the version i watched does not adequately show the difference in speed between the various head counts.  It also neglects to show the increase in damage to the [[Chargin' Targe]].
+{{Outdent|5}}There is no real refuting here, this is people giving their opinion. The issue is that, yeah, it's possible to do this on your own, but if you're going to have to make 520 videos you're going to give up at some point. As for Steam Achievement Manager, that's an outside program that may or may not be considered a cheat by Valve (at the very least, we don't wanna rely on this program to have to reset specific achievements). Weapons can be playtested, unless you don't have them. Taunts can be previewed in the store, except it doesn't show off M1/M2, and doesn't show off a full taunt (intro, loop, exit). Cosmetic demonstrations aren't being made anymore because they're all the same, so we scrapped them.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
+:SAM is moreso a debugging tool than a cheat. I'm certain most people use it to earn bugged achievements that wouldn't activate for them for whatever reason. That argument aside, I am more than willing to continue working on this project if given a greenlight, or in the case the greenlight only comes after a certain trust is built, I'd still be working on it until then. I'll provide updates, including more videos, more maps, thumbnails, etc. The only achievements I might need outside help with are the ones which require multiple Steam friends. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 00:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
-[[User:Radiant Void|Radiant Void]] 02:49, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
+::It's not much of a debugging tool, but there are in-game features to reset achievements, too, which is what we would use instead. The Wiki being official means if we officially require people to use that program, it's a form of endorsement, which is not something we want. Many achievement demonstrations would also simply not be interesting or very hard to demonstrate (winning 142 rounds of a map, collect 1 million MvM credits/killing 1 million robots, destroying 100 enemy stickybombs with the Scottish Resistance). Some would also not be a proper demonstration: Winning a map without losing a control point on Hydro or winning a round of Well within 5 minutes would just consist of either regular gameplay or an empty server where you run on control points. The former is too much for a demonstration, and the latter is not demonstrating anything. Also note, this is the last message I'll leave here (but I will still watch the conversation) as I don't want the convo being stopped by a constant back-and-forth and possibly have people not engage in the conversation because of it.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 00:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
+:::I can see the rationale behind wanting to use the more 'official' means of resetting achievements, and I will aim to utilize that from now on. As far as whether or not an achievement is demonstrated ''"properly,"'' this is entirely subjective, as achievements can be earned in a variety of ways outside the intended/idealistic means; I merely wish to provide an example of the most basic methods which anyone can reliably follow. Whether or not a demonstration is ''"interesting"'' is also subjective. I appreciate the earnest provision of your viewpoints and criticisms, and I too shall disengage from this back-and-forth to allow more opinions to be shared. [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 00:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
-:Yeah, and the current video has the old loadout pose (i.e. one handed) and there are new voice responses-[[User:SpaceAnimator|SpaceAnimator]] 08:03, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
+:::: I really don't see the issue with using SAM or any other tool to lock/unlock the achievements as needed for the demo... The argument that we'd be endorsing it is quite absurd, this would be behind-the-scenes stuff.
+:::: That said, it is unreasonable to make over 500 videos and some achievements would be hard to demonstrate (progress ones, for example). I wouldn't be against making a "walkthrough" for some very specific achievements like the Merasmus TV one, but that wouldn't really fall under this project (it would just be an addition to the strategy page). — [[User:Tark|<span style="font-weight:bold;color: #5BC236">Tark</span>]] 17:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
-Did my own. Didn't show Targe though. D: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rLYX97sxR0] [[User:Sandvich Heavinski|Sandvich Heavinski]] 16:14, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
+:[https://drive.google.com/drive/u/5/folders/1yN_aq-13yxwwgsZrs0LbnkKCk1f3YZfE I've updated] the Achievement Demonstrations folder with better organization and 50 more demonstrations! This took a little under 2 weeks. All newly-added demonstrations have been listed in '''''changelog.txt'''''. Feel free to give them a glance! (''Note: all future project updates will be addressed via the changelog until project completion.'') [[User:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ]] ([[User talk:$ɪʀ ₱ʀɪᴢᴇ|talk]]) 21:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
-:As noted above, the video should show the speed difference between head counts >: other than that, this video is lacking music, is not in 720p, and uses a custom crosshair color D: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:16, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
-Before I go remake this, for the differences in speed, should I use 4 screens at once (0 heads, 1 head, 2 heads, and 3 heads)or do you guys have something else in mind? Also, for the targe, how about I put a soldier at the end of the room, have me run, then use the chargin' targe to make the demoman strike while at full charge? --[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 20:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
+<!-- ~~~~ -->
-:You know what, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2TYaCrqAA4 I decided to do that anyway.] Hopefully that'll do. [http://www.mediafire.com/?9frt13x5x759kki Download here.] --[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 11:46, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
+== Update status on the Team Fortress Classis demonstration project ==
-::Aww D: I should have replied quicker... Showing 0, 1, 2 and 3 doesn't show what the highest speed gain from the weapon with 4 heads, which most players probably want to know. Sadly it's not possible to put 5 videos on a screen and have them fit nicely, so how about doing 6 (0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5) so that not only the maximum speed gain is demonstrated (4 heads), but the speed cap also is (5 heads)? It will require cropping in order to fit in 16:9, but make sure that the head counter is visible on all of them. Also, remember that the Spy shouldn't be visible until it's tauntkill time D: So please run around in a different order so that he doesn't show up until it's time to kill him :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:54, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
-It was a pain trying out several combinations of cropping and cutting, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Rh2dvIXNY but here's the end result.] [http://www.mediafire.com/?7m512ysmyhyykwn Download it here.] --[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 13:32, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
+Some of you here may remember when two years ago, a user by the name of [[User:Anonymus0|@Anonymus0]] decided to make a proposal about doing Weapon Demonstration videos about the Team Fortress Classic weapons. Although the wiki had no such infrastructure to support the newfound idea (Tfc demonstration maps, guidelines, rules etc.) the proposal still received mass support; thus prompting me, as well as a number of other editors, most notably [[User:Yossef|Yossef]], to collaborate together on turning this young idea into reality. However, despite some early success in recording, due to Yossef's family situation coupled with my vanning interest in the wiki, the project died down....up until now.
-:You don't show the health difference, or the difference in charge damage with different numbers of heads. (Also, you realize that once you make one of these, you have to make all three?) — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 13:37, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Loch-n-Load|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Loch-n-Load]] ==
-Comparing the Loch-n-Load video with the Grenade Launcher video shows the LnL video is missing the "juggling" section, and the "reflected by airblast" section. [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 22:07, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Natascha|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Natascha]] ==
-{{c|done but needs to be redone (changed stats, new animations)}}
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGDWmIXQU24 [[User:Your Enemy|Your Enemy]] 17:41, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
+Because now, I would like to announce that the first major hurdle in making Tfc demonstration weapons, namely that of getting a proper demonstration map, has been overcome! For that reason, I will present you 4 different demonstration maps that I had created.  Why 4, you may ask? Well I knew that as a very much novice map maker, I could not possibly make a good demonstration map from the first try; so I decided to make multiple different maps and ultimately let you, *the community*, collectively decide which of the presented maps should be used for demonstrations. This of course means that any criticism, praise, suggestions and comments about the upcoming maps is very much appreciated and wanted. It must also be noted that many of the maps shown here are not complete. In fact, this is a deliberate choice, as I first wanted to get community feedback about the overall layout and "feel" of the map, before decorating them with details and whatnot. Anyway, here are the maps:
-:This is good but~
-* Your name is "Your Enemy". While I respect people choosing their own name, it would be nice if you picked another name, because seeing "Your Enemy (Natascha) Pyro" on the killfeed is confusing
-* The damage comparison part has several flaws:
-** The screen should be split vertically so that damage numbers are visible, which is pretty important since we're comparing damage here
-** The font should be TF2 secondary in white with a faint black outline and appearing with a fade effect; see [[Rocket Jumper]]'s demo at 0:50
-** The Pyro gets killed instantly since he is close. You should kill a farther target to make the different more visible
-* Slowdown effect is now proportional to distance. The demo must show this by showing slowdown for multiple ranges
-* I also suggest to stay in the wooden thingy when demonstrating slowdown so that you don't actually move from the spot you are firing (which would mess up the range)
-* Try having the target move in a perpendicular direction to your line of sight when demonstrating slowdown. I know it's not easy, just saying
-That's it~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 00:56, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
-:Thanks, I'll see what I can do. [[User:Your Enemy|Your Enemy]] 15:24, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKhF5q3dYoQ [[User:Your Enemy|Your Enemy]] 13:43, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
-::This is perfect content-wise, but some technical details:
-* In-game sound quality is low (has a fuzz to it)
-* There are no transitions between clips (use a little fade)
-Slowdown is very well demonstrated though — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:28, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
-Here, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MimzMKr2NTw [[User:Your Enemy|Your Enemy]] 09:22, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
+st map is called Wind_tunnel, and its demonstration video can be found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-JTrTQfCJY here]. 2nd map is called backup_final ''(keep in mind that these names are only temporary, the chosen map will be renamed into tr_lolim)'' and its demonstration video is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls2gSuL8UeA here]. 3rd map's name is tr_karma, which you can see [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmQq4fRJy4U here]. And finally, the 4th one is called tr_lol_test_tfc and can be found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJu0naNRJNc here].
-:Yes, this is good. Please upload the original. Thanks~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
+The maps are chronologically ordered, meaning that the first map ''Wind tunnel'' is oldest/earliest one that I created, while ''tr_lol'' is my final one. As you can see, ''Wind tunnel'' and ''Backup final'' are the most completed maps, featuring an outdoors obstacle course section, a pit, as well as a grenade testing range. However, the other two maps shouldn't be judged for their lack of such things, since the outdoors part can easily be copied from the other two and added on. Of much, '''much''' greater importance to me is knowing whether the main testing chamber/firing range, as well as the overall layout/architecture is of satisfactory enough quality to be used for a professional and official setting like the Team Fortress Wiki.  Further more, here are the wireframe overviews of some of the maps listed: [[File:User Lolimsogreat2 tfc1.png|15px]] (Wind Tunnel), [[File:User Lolimsogreat21 tfc2.png|15px]] (tr_karma), [[File:User Lolimsogreat21 tfc3.png|15px]] (tr_lol)
-http://www.mediafire.com/?qvl9dl4ww34p3tc [[User:Your Enemy|Your Enemy]] 18:58, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
-:(Marked as "need to be redone" due to low audio quality complaints) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:38, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
+Once again, I leave it up to the community to decide which of these maps is the most valuable one; or if my mapping skills are that bad, if none of them are worth while, in which case I will happily scrap all 4 maps and start over again. This time, hopefully, it wont take me 2 years to finish a new batch :D. As for download links, I didn't provide them since once again; the maps are not finished and are expected to undergo many revisions, both as I and the community see fit. However, if someone really wants to see/edit these early maps for themselves, they can contact me in private and I can provide both the .bsp and the .quark (the map making engine) file.
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBL_9rJJeuQ
+Anyway, although the largest hurdle for this project has hopefully been overcome, there are still more technical problems that prevent me from just pumping out TFC demonstrations, they are as follows:
-I don't like my slow as much as YE's, but the sound quality and splitscreen are better in my opinion. Anyways, thoughts? -[[User:Armisael|Armisael]] 19:24, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
+* '''Lack of proper bot programs''': It is true that online, you can find many bot programs compactable with tfc, however none of them can be used for demonstration purposes. Namely, all of those programs are combat bots. The ones which move around and shoot you. Even worse, except for the command to spawn them and change their difficulty, they cannot be in anyway controlled or manually manipulated. I eventually took one of these programs and delved into its files, where I erased the waypoints the bots use to move around. This fixed the problem of them moving around, since now when they spawn, they get permanently locked into place. However they still lock on and target hostile bots and players, and they keep trying to "escape" their prison by constantly hopping in place. I'm contemplating picking up programming and simply creating a bot program myself, but that will certainly take time.
-:Muzzleflash glitch is there D: Also, the slowdown is indeed a bit less good. In the second slowdown, the Soldier should start walking right when the heavy starts firing boolets to be consistent with the other 2. In the third part, the Soldier shouldn't hit the barrels but escape like YE's video — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
+* '''No damage indicators''': Tfc doesn't display any damage numbers when you damage someone. I haven't found any mods that seem to add them, meaning that the only way to know the damage you dealt is to use the console. However, I do not know could this be presented in a video format.
+That seems to be it. While I wait for community feedback, I will continue to try and find workarounds/fixes for these problems. Thank you for your attention :D! [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 09:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
-Should someone edit the weapon demonstration video template to indicate that videos are out of date? Because this one isn't just misformatted; it's downright wrong. -[[User:Armisael|Armisael]] 11:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
+:I'm not going to lie, this project has been entirely stagnant so there's clearly not much interest from anyone actually involved in the project. It's easy to say "yeah this is a great idea", but then when it comes to actually doing it, others have to figure it out. The maps were the least of our worries, as they can be made easily, and definitely not the biggest hurdle. The bots and damage numbers will most likely require game modification to work, or at least a good knowledge of the game (for the bots). Otherwise, it'll always have to be two people, which requires servers too. This just seems like way too much work to figure it out, so I think if this hasn't been solved in 3 months I might just indefinitely shut it down.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 13:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
-:Well that could be done, but could you... do the demo instead, pretty please? :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 12:29, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Razorback|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Razorback]] ==
+::As fascinating as it is, and the work is appreciated, I feel as if it's just far too much work from a recording an editing standpoint, especially without damage numbers and everything that TF2 has its gonna be pretty hard to record any sort of demonstration unless you go through the whole process of manually adding numbers to the video to indicate damage. Unfortunately I don't believe most would be able to cope with all that work. <br>[[User:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Cheddar'''</font>]] • [[User talk:Cheddar|<font color="#193940">'''Talk'''</font>]] 13:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
-{{c|done but needs to be redone (aspect ratio)}}
-:Why does this need to be redone? - <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Awesomesauce|Awesomesauce]]''' ([[User talk:Awesomesauce|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Awesomesauce|contribs]]) </small>
-:: 1. It's pillarboxed (the black bars on the sides). 2. There should be a shot from the sniper's view when he's backstabbed (it forces the sniper out of scope when it's activated). — [[User:Armisael | Armisael]] 17:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
-:Hi!I am new at this wiki, so i wan to redone it.I'll show, how spy backstabs snyper, and how spy backstabs snyper with razorback.Then, ill show how razorback forses snyper out of scope, when i'ts broken with a knife.Thank you!
+:::I can see that the general outlook on this project is quite pessimistic, which I can understand perfectly. However, there have been more developments that I've made this week, which could bring this proposal one more step closer to realization. Namely, the [https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Foxbot Foxbot] bot program, which almost certainly isn't intended for the purposes I'm trying to shoehorn it into, is actually quite a bit more flexible then I initially thought and reported to you. Turns out that with some careful and delicate usage of the waypoint system, it is possible to (crudely) manipulate and somewhat exert control over the bots. Couple this with the skilfull usage of something called ''waypoint tags'', and I managed to actually bug out the bot's navigation, to the point where they become completely docile and unmoving, ready to be used for demonstration purposes. Finally, the command {{code|botsdontshoot}} ensures that they won't target me, allowing me to even control the direction they are facing.  While this setup cannot be saved, meaning that every time I load a map I need to do the whole procedure again, it works perfectly and looks something like [https://youtu.be/4aBWMRW6rHo this]
-:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRoGSpnSexw Not entirely sure I like this one. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 15:52, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
-::Nah :( It should show both perspectives at the same time, like the current one does. Or maybe all three perspectives: One from the Spy's point of view in the top left corner, one from Sniper's point of view in the top right corner, and one showing all the action on the bottom half of the video. I think that'd make it quite short and easy to understand, yet shows everything that needs to be shown :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 15:59, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Scotsman's Skullcutter|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Scotsman's Skullcutter]] ==
+:::Only minor issue still remaining is that when the bots get killed, they will respawn back into their "unbugged" state and start jumping and moving about. Since the command {{code|mp_respawn_time}} doesn't work, and there is no way to stop them from respawning, I simply solved the issue by disabling chat messages and then binding one of my keys to the kick command and immediately kicking the bot upon death; if I'm fast enough they wont even get to respawn. (In the video they did, hence the loud obnoxious sound in the background). Finally, the Foxbots have a couple of tricks up their sleeves over their tf2 counterparts, namely the {{code|botcam}} command, which allows me to see from the pov of the bots, which could be immensely useful in demonstrations, but I've yet to do extensive testing on it.
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY2lWWZvPyc This one needed to be redone to show the difference while charging anyways. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 13:34, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-:(Can you please not flee from IRC after 30 seconds :< ~) Thanks :3 This does add something to it, indeed — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:32, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Shahanshah|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Shahanshah]] ==
+:::I consider the bot issue solved, leaving only the damage numbers remaining, however things got complicated here. Turns out, I was wrong in believing that the console shows damage received by other players, or if it does, I don't know how to get it do that. This not only means that there are no damage numbers shown during the actual testing, but there is no record kept of the damage another player received at a given moment, from which damage numbers could then be extrapolated and edited in during the post production. This is actually fine for most weapons. There is no damage falloff in tfc, meaning that a single shot from, say the nailgun, will always do the exact amount of damage at all ranges. Meaning that as long as all shots hit their target, I can simply count the amount of ammo a weapon consumed and then add in damage numbers. The real trouble makers are the Shotguns and the Assault gun, who fire multiple pellets/buletts per single ammo, and have a wide spread, making it impossible to know the exact damage dealt unless at extremely close ranges, where every shot is expected to connect. I'll still looking for a solution to this, so wish me luck. [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 22:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCeQVm4jjrY Hopefully 1/13 done. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 09:04, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-:Alright, thanks~ :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:32, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-Why does this need to be redone? - [[User:SpaceAnimator|SpaceAnimator]] 10:44, 4 August 2011 (PDT)
+::::This sounds like a ton of effort, and definitely not worth it nor easy to get into for the average person. It's possible, but having to rely on the bots being bugged out and having to do this every single time to do something. This is just too much effort, unless it can be done easily I don't see much of a point.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
-:It doesn't anymore. When I first made it, I made an error in my antialiasing settings, and as such redid it. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 10:57, 4 August 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Sydney Sleeper|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Sydney Sleeper]] ==
+::::: Well If ease of demonstration is such a problem, there might be a way to remedy it quite easily. Checking out the [https://apg-clan.org/vbdownloads.php?do=download&downloadid=980/ Foxbot download site], it seems that a {{code|botdontmove}} command, which is something that would drastically cut down on the setup process, is actually on the developer's to-do list. And since the last update to foxbot came out in July of this year, it isn't out of the question that the next update could also arrive relatively soon, at least sooner then your 3 month deadline... However, in my opinion, there is no reason to wait any further. I have the maps, I have the (semi-functioning) bots and I can demonstrate 12 out of the 19 weapons (not counting the grenades) by simply guessing the damage numbers with reasonable accuracy. So unless someone gets any army of alternative accounts, or multiple players are willing to come together for a demonstration (which clearly won't happen and is very expensive), then this is the way the cookie will crumble. [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 11:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
-{{c|done but needs to be redone}}
-This needs to be redone because the current video doesn't show the 25% increase in charge rate [[User:SpaceAnimator|SpaceAnimator]] 09:39, 11 July 2011 (PDT)
-:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LpT-NRPBzk Another day, another demo. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 16:26, 25 July 2011 (PDT)
-::Alright, so here's the story: I have limited bandwidth at home, so I usually leave the downloading-the-original/uploading-to-youtube to other people, and watch all weapon demos in 360p (but check that the 720p option is there, of course). But today, for some reason, I decided to watch it in 720p... And as a result, I seem to have missed something pretty important, and I don't know how many, if not all of your demos, have had this problem: Antialiasing seems off D: You need at least 2x antialias, 4 if you want it to look nice, even more if you can as long as it doesn't hurt framerate. So please turn dis AA on :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:39, 25 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BV9FoUIzkw — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 09:04, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::Why is the spy disguised as a RED sniper? >: Makes it a bit confusing. Rest is good~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:10, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo-_McgRmNI I thought that disguising the spy as a member of their own team would be more confusing, so I showed him disguising to (hopefully) avoid any confusion. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 19:08, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::::Alright, thanks~ :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:16, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-== {{Icon weapon|weapon=Soda Popper|icon-size=16x16px}} [[Soda Popper]] ==
+::::::Unforutnately, the way the cookie will crumble is the project being scrapped. Damage numbers are is the biggest thing to show here, if they're based on a guess and not going to be natively supported, the project will just be scrapped instead. The reason to wait is because the whole purpose of these videos is to show off the weapons, if you can't show off the damage properly with damage numbers that are entirely accurate instead of a "guess with reasonable accuracy" then we're not doing it yet. Even if you know the damage entirely, having to individually add these for each weapon is way too much effort.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 12:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
-Damage rampup has been modified, and it is noticeable in the demonstration (it will kill the pyro in one less shot now). Needa redo [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 17:20, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-Alright, here's my demonstration of the Soda Popper, make sure to let me know if any changes need to be made. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ReGa5pRRiU http://www.mediafire.com/?yj52pevq9bzq0v4 --[[User:Mellotaku|Mellotaku]] 19:45, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
+::::::: Alright alright, I can see that I didn't express myself clearly enough/forgot to say something important, so forgive me please. Namely, there is ''a way'' to see how much damage you've dealt someone in tfc, and that is to hop into the spectator team and hover over other players, which will display their armour and health. So in theoryyyyy (say when demonstrating the shotgun); you can pop one shot into the opponent, hop into spectator and see how much health is left and then go back to blue team, use some kind of autoclicker/script in order to return to the same mouse position, and repeat the whole process again. Afterwards, you can simply cut out the whole "you checking the bots' health" in order to make it appear as if the shotgun was firing continuously, and use the knowledge to add in damage numbers (simply extrapolate the damage by seeing how much of bot's health was left in every incriment of firing from their base health). Is this very difficult to do, yes. But like all the other things in this project, what matters is that it's possible, atleast to me. Now, is this a genuine and native demonstration? No. Does it involve pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes? Yes. But judging from the talk at demonstration for [[Team Fortress Wiki talk:Weapon Demonstration#Chemistry Set|Chemistry set]], it seems that the wiki is fine with using illusions in order to make something appear to happen rather then actually happen. So I see no problem with it.
-:Forgot to reload the Pistol at the end D: Is the only con — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:50, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-::I would ask that you try to fix the color distortion in your video (the reds are particularly pronounced). It looks like a fairly standard youtube transcoding issue; if your videos don't have that distortion on your computer, I would ask you to try uploading your videos in a different format. I know that .wmv videos work (even after they've been converted to h.264 streams), and if your video editor can render in that file format, it'd be nice if you could try. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 21:20, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::It is true that the color balance is off, though Armisael's videos also are but the other way (washed out). Not big deal though — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:41, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::Here is the fixed version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toDEl5ykaAI http://www.mediafire.com/?y1phxyfr6n8n1mk --[[User:Mellotaku|Mellotaku]] 22:12, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::::Thank you~ :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 23:02, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a65GJPCHlTQ Here's one that Vegas was chugging through when melltaku posted. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 19:52, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
+:::::::Anyway, here is the prototype of the first Nailgun demonstration, damage numbers and all included. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6M8yjxNdOU] [[User:Lolimsogreat21|Lolimsogreat21]] ([[User talk:Lolimsogreat21|talk]]) 20:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Lolimsogreat21
-::While yours is flawless, I'd rather wait for Mellotaku to fix that little mistake because he is new to weapon demonstrations and because his video is of a higher resolution. Hope that's alright :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 20:50, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::I have no objections to more 1080p videos. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 21:20, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-= Weapon Sets =
+{{Outdent|8}}There's a difference between "pulling a bit of wool over the viewer's eyes" to save on costs, and having to manually add in each damage number, move each of them, and do that for every single time there's damage. The font and music don't really match up, as they're both meant for TF2. As much as I'd like this to succeed, having to (after EVERY shot) hop into spectator to find out how much damage was done and writing it down to then edit it is too much effort. Even if something ''is'' possible, like I've mentioned a few times, if it requires as much tedious work as having to shoot once, go to spectator, view health, note down health, return back to position, and repeat it's just not worth it. We've seen this with cosmetic items that had Pyroland assists, no one wants to do them, it piles up, and eventually we just scrapped them entirely.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 21:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
-== [[File:Backpack Spy Bundle.png|16px]] [[The Saharan Spy]] ==
-Could go with this. Got a new Fez yesterday. Already got L'etranger and Your Eternal Reward too so there's no messy File Editing. [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer anti-tank Rocket]] 17:46, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
-:Getting around it? I can do it otherwise, what I have in mind is basically showing decloaking with dead ringer and invisibility watch side by side, and then show the increased flicker by bumping into a enemy on purpose. As a little bonus, show how it looks like from the perspective of the enemy. [[User:Ailure|Ailure]] 11:20, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
-:Yes indeed, though the decloaking would need to be explicitly not in sync so that both sounds can be heard separately — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 12:29, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
-::Aah, good point. I think a second or so of desync should work then. I probably play around with it as soon i get to it to see what looks best. [[User:Ailure|Ailure]] 17:51, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
-:::I wonder if could be useful have a clip where the player, as a spun-up Sasha Heavy, has a Spy with/without the set decloak right behind him (demonstration with both IW and DR, of course). But I'm afraid you should have to do it with every minigun.--[[User:Kid Of The Century|Kid Of The Century]] 09:42, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
-::::No, the Minigun noise would cover up the cloak sound... Which I guess is part of the point because there's often distracting sound in-game, but then players won't really hear the difference — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:49, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
-I have the set and Wegame. Let's do this. [[User:Sandvich Heavinski|Sandvich Heavinski]] 02:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
-:I haven't used Wegame in a while, but last time I checked, the video quality was very poor. I hope they improved it~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 04:10, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
-=Help Please=
+== Timestamps on all videos ==
-== Where to put the map==
+As the name suggests I'm interested in providing new/updated timestamps for the majority of the existing wiki videos where it may be applicable, as well as making any new ones when new videos get uploaded. I would create a doc with all videos listed along with timestamps written down for each of them. <br>-- [[User:Nemesis07|Nemesis07]] ([[User talk:Nemesis07|talk]]) 23:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
-I try to load the tr_target_weaponref map from the console, but all I get is an error code. It downloads as a .rar file, but i changed it to a .bsp file in notepad. The file path I have is (C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\username\team fortress 2\tf\maps). I dont know what I am doing wrong. Please help [[User:Dr. Blutengott|Dr. Blutengott]] 14:03, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
+:Timestamps could be good. However, the weapon demonstration videos don't really have a structured order so it could be tedious to make timestamps for those videos. I only added them to some videos like the medic mvm shield · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 03:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
-:You need to decompress the rar file. Use [http://download.cnet.com/WinRAR-32-bit/3000-2250_4-10007677.html winrar] to extract the bsp. You have right filepath. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 14:28, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
+::I sorta agree with Ashe. I don't think timestamps are really necessary for most videos. The majority of demonstrations are really short (2:00 or less in most cases) so I don't think there would be a big benefit to timestamps for every single segment. Seems like more work than it would be worth for most demonstrations. [[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Mediarch'''}}]] [[File:User Mediarch PFP.png|25px]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[User talk:Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''Talk'''}}]][[User:Mediarch|{{font color|ff66cc| ♥ }}]][[Special:Contributions/Mediarch|{{font color|ec5c69|'''My Edits'''}}]] 14:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
-::Thank you, i can access the map now, but all it shows me is black. i can see the hud, but not the enviroment. [[User:Dr. Blutengott|Dr. Blutengott]] 15:20, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::Join BLU. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 15:21, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
-==Problem With Recording==
+== Getting existing playlists up-to-date and adding new ones ==
-When using the source recorder, team fortress crashes. i can view the demo normally, but when i enter startmovie moviename avi, the program crashes. a codec menu should pop up, but it does not. i have recorded before in garrys mod, but i cannot get it to work. please help. [[User:Dr. Blutengott|Dr. Blutengott]] 20:57, 28 July 2011 (PDT)
+Currently the channel only has a couple of playlists that doesn't include all of the videos, I'm interested in helping create additional playlists for all of the videos to potentially make it easier to find certain videos. <br>-- [[User:Nemesis07|Nemesis07]] ([[User talk:Nemesis07|talk]]) 23:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
-: Yes. startmovie in TF2 has been broken in TF2 since the end of April. Sorry. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] 21:01, 28 July 2011 (PDT)
+:People dont' really use playlists, and the ones that currently exist are for group of "unique" videos. Making a playlist for all the weapons or per-class wouldn't make sense · [[User:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">Ashe</font>]] ([[User talk:Ashe|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 03:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

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