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| − | == Whoops == | + | ==Well, another problem...== |
| | + | Hi, Seb. I have another thing that need your help. Yesterday the zh-hant Wiki had a new guy called [[User:Lockon|Lockon]], however he has brought a lot of trouble. First, he changed the names of items without any permission, notice or discussion. Then he ignored and deleted my waring about changing the names. He claimed that his act was trying to "make his talk page looks better". Actually, what he said was totally rubbish. The last one, which is the most unacceptable one, is that he translated the pages [[(A)Symmetry CP Contest/zh-hant]] and [[Dustbowl (Training)/zh-hant]] '''with the use of automated translation tool'''. I can easily confirm that, and my partner jcmbmhitacid can prove the point for me. Lockon used the translation tools, made the whole format of pages a mess, did not use the "show preview" button, and of course, ignore others' warning and trying to pretend that everything was normal. Therefore I strongly insist that Seb should '''block user Lockon from further editing permanently''', or he shall make more trouble and inconvenience for the editors in the zh-hant Wiki.<br>Thanks for your understanding and help, but be careful with Lockon's behavior, due to his ''own'' consideration of having no problems at all. |
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| − | I know its very crappy right now but Im new to this wiki thing. It was done in a hurry, sorry. | + | [[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 18:49, 11 February 2012 (PST) |
| − | [[User:Cuteface|Cuteface]] 20:38, 9 July 2011 (PDT) | + | :'''RE:''' I see that, thanks for your assist :). [[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 19:26, 11 February 2012 (PST) |
| | + | * '''~www~''', i had taken your advise for not using any translation tools from yesterday, and today i added some missing photos which should have been there[[Merc_Medal/zh-hant]]. Also i did a page without any translation tools which is the [[Aerial/zh-hant]] so i hope you please consider i have taken your complains and improved it thank you. |
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| − | == Medic Taunt Kill Icon == | + | [[User:Lockon|Lockon]] 09:03, 14 February 2012 (PST) Lockon |
| | + | ::You called that translating? You copied [[Aerial/zh-hant]] from zh-hans![[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 09:26, 14 February 2012 (PST) |
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| − | You sure about that? I just checked again and it displays the Spinal Tap icon now. [[User:EdGe Of FiRe|EdGe Of FiRe]] 14:40, 12 July 2011 (PDT)EdGe_Of_FiRe
| + | Chinese Simplify and Chinese Traditional is the same pal{{Cross}}, its just different writing, one is easier to write and also its not all the same, also check it agian some items or classes like is changed by me zh-hans: Soldier = 士兵 and zh-hant: Soldier 火箭兵 |
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| − | :Yeah. What map / server are you checking on? Sure you don't have some custom kill icon pack or something installed? Someone else should probably check just to make sure it isn't just me. [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 14:44, 12 July 2011 (PDT)
| + | [[User:Lockon|Lockon]] 09:53, 14 February 2012 (PST)Lockon |
| − | ::Just wanted to point something out: There's a SourceMod plugin out there made by [[User:FlaminSarge|FlaminSarge]] that changes the Spinal Tap kill icon from the Ubersaw taunt-kill icon to the unused ''(and proper)'' kill icon left in the game by Valve. [http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=1430144 Check it out. "Medic Taunt Killicon Fix" plugin by FlaminSarge]. [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 14:50, 12 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Hazard infobox kill-icon == | + | ==Further problems== |
| | + | 1.Lockon keeps on doing unnecessary edits to zh-hant. For example, He was doing pointless changes to zh-hant pages, copied the article ''from zh-hans'' and made it as a contribution, or kept placing <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> to anyone who are new to wiki, even though he himself are a new guy, I don't even know if there's a real account where he put <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki>. Frankly, I suggest blocking him, quickly, or he will do more things that he claims "contribution to wiki". |
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| − | Hi Seb,
| + | 2.Same problem, different day, User [[User:Bestipod|Bestipod]] was coping the zh-hant pages (5 pages for now) and converted it into zh-hans. Could need your help to delete the pages. |
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| − | Can you please make the killicon optional on [[Template:Hazard infobox]]. It's required for the [[Ghost]] page, as it doesn't actually kill players.
| + | 3.Actually, after being copied for many many times, I am angry, tired, exhausted of their acts. I don't think I can take it anymore. I really wish there's a solution of stopping these acts forever.<br>Really apperciate your help, Seb. [[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 08:51, 14 February 2012 (PST) |
| | + | :I'd like to ask a related question - setting aside the fact that zh-hant is not the same as zh-hans, is there actually any rule against copying the content of a page? As far as I'm concerned, any information posted on the wiki is free for public use so can be copied anywhere - excepting of course images and such which have licenses attached. From what I can tell the issue with Bestipod is not that he made bad translations, but that his source material was ~www~'s work. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 09:59, 14 February 2012 (PST) |
| | + | :: There are no rules/laws against copying wiki work. This is why some content could be migrated from the old Wiki here and why the fact that some of the pages here are copied directly over there are not punishable. --{{User:Firestorm/sig}} 10:04, 14 February 2012 (PST) |
| | + | :::So you guys are saying that it's OK to let zh-hans coping our works without any efforts of translating the pages from scratch?[[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 10:06, 14 February 2012 (PST) |
| | + | :::: I never said that. In the case of these translations, it is NOT ok. The problem is not in the copying of another's work, but in the usage of the incorrect language on an article. I am simply clarifying where the issue is. --{{User:Firestorm/sig}} 10:08, 14 February 2012 (PST) |
| | + | :::::Understand you meaning. However Firestorm, you should know that the coping done by zh-hans translators is always a trouble to all zh-hant translators.[[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 10:17, 14 February 2012 (PST) |
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| − | Thanks. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 05:30, 15 July 2011 (PDT)
| + | == 我是冤枉的 == |
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| − | : Will do [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 05:50, 15 July 2011 (PDT)
| + | 1 我是一个TF2的爱好者，我使用简体汉语。 |
| | + | 2 我们只是文字上的不同，在使用上简体汉字和繁体汉字几乎没有差别。{{Cross}} |
| | + | 3 我希望您公正的看待这一问题，WIKI是一个贡献社区，我并没有抄袭任何人的。 |
| | + | 4 我希望管理员您能继续让我为TF2 WIKI做贡献。 |
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| − | == Question == | + | ==To Bestipod & Lockon== |
| | + | I can firmly say that zh-hant and zh-hans are '''totally different'''. I am tired to argue this old issue, I say that we leave the judgment to the top admins.[[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 10:01, 14 February 2012 (PST) |
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| − | What are those (+*) stuff in the changes page?
| + | Ok, your still the old member around here you can decide |
| − | [[User:Cnnoi33|Cnnoi33]] 00:47, 20 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :(+532) or (-1,048) etc are the net changes in bytes made in that particular edit. For example if someone added 200 characters to a page (although characters don't always equal 1 byte) it would show +200. [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 00:50, 20 July 2011 (PDT) | + | [[User:Lockon|Lockon]] 10:16, 14 February 2012 (PST)Lockon |
| | + | i am do my work very hard ,because they are'''totally different''', [[User:Bestipod|Bestipod]] |
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| − | Oh thanks :)
| + | I have posted a topic at [[Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion#zh translation]] relating to this. [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 12:25, 14 February 2012 (PST) |
| − | [[User:Cnnoi33|Cnnoi33]] 00:54, 20 July 2011 (PDT) | |
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| − | == "a TF2 emblem doesn't even imply 'all classes'" ==
| + | Thx for the solution of the chinese wiki |
| | + | [[User:Lockon|Lockon]] 12:41, 14 February 2012 (PST)Lockon |
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| − | I dont neccesarily agree there. If we have no icon at all it just looks like it falls under the same class as whatever the last icon was.
| + | ==The future of zh-hant== |
| − | :{{icon class|Spy|16px}} [[Le Party Phantom{{if lang}}|{{hat name|le party phantom}}]]<!--
| + | Seb, it's ~www~. After a few days of thinking, I think I need to discuss something critical about zh-hant with you on Steam privately. I don't know when can I contact you, so I guess that Saturday or Sunday night will be fine? [[File:User ~www~ Avatar cont clear.jpg|100px|link=User:~www~|~www~]] 07:39, 17 February 2012 (PST) |
| − | -->{{md}}[[A Rather Festive Tree{{if lang}}|{{hat name|a rather festive tree}}]]
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| − | :{{icon class|Spy|icon-size=16px}} [[Le Party Phantom{{if lang}}|{{hat name|le party phantom}}]]<!--
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| − | The top one makes it look like the festive tree is another spy hat, according to our current layout, and that could cause confusion. There's nothing wrong with a tf2 emblem to clarify that the hat can be worn by anyone.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] {{mod}} 00:51, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : Is there something wrong with a tooltip to clarify? [[User:Thenyproject|Thenyproject]] 00:54, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :While that's probably true, the TF2 emblem doesn't even make sense as an icon even if it's used to distinguish something else. Same with the question mark icon that's been making the rounds (it looks as if the class is simply not known, instead of meaning 'all classes'). I think it would be better to simply put the all class hats at the beginning of a list away from icons, better than having some icon that doesn't even mean what it apparently means. Iconspam is becoming a problem, not everything needs icons all the time. [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 00:58, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
| + | == Hi seb == |
| | + | Hi seb, lockon told me to find you for advise for editing and translating (check his discussion to see). I wan't to ask how to translate a good quality piece or edit a good quality piece of work? |
| | + | [[User:Spytron|Spytron]] 01:47, 18 February 2012 (PST)Spytron |
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| − | == Delete uploaded images. == | + | == t alternation with regard to style statement. == |
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| − | Hey Seb, can you blow away [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/File:Backpack_GWJ_Tournament_Participant_Medal.png this image] and [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Backpack_Tournament_Medal_-_GWJ_Tournament.png this image]? These images don't face quite the same way as the Dueling Badges/medals from the 119th Update, and I'd rather find ones that conform to that those. [[User:ButteredToast|ButteredToast]] 08:49, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :{{c|done}} (sorry, I had forgotten about this) [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 14:54, 4 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::Thank you kindly, good sir! [[User:ButteredToast|ButteredToast]] 06:30, 9 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Thanks Seb :) ==
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| − | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEDISMnosLM YOU'RE THE BEST AROUND!] [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 01:44, 6 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Bonk! Atomic Punch article ==
| + | , As an example, Connaught Cluster possessed quite little bucks!. |
| − | Another user undid most of my edits on [[Bonk!_Atomic_Punch]] and I was wondering if you could take a look in order for me to understand what I did wrong for any future editing:
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| − | 1.) Why was putting the two alternative names wrong when I have seen it referred to as "Bonk! Energy Drink" and "Bonk!" by Valve? I'm not counting the article itself as a source, but the word "Bonk!" is used in that numerous times.
| + | ,Woodwear is committed to assisting other those that are making a optimistic influence. |
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| − | 2.) Why was removing "unlockable" wrong? You can get this item numerous ways (Unlock, Craft, Drop, Purchase, Crate), and it tells you how the Scout class is able to unlock it by achievements at the end of the article.
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| − | 3.) Why was my sentence changed back to "Upon drinking, this weapon provides temporary invincibility to the player from any type of damage, bar environmental and telefragging."? It is technically a "weapon", but the reader may read that as it being a weapon that you hit other players with or something. Also, "bar environmental and telefragging" does not read as well as "excluding environmental damage and telefragging".
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| − | 4.) Both "under the effect" and "under the effects" are used in the article to describe Bonk!'s properties after being consumed, which is confusing to the reader.
| + | Hey, |
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| − | 5.) Is the "flag" spelled intelligence or Intelligence when being referred to?
| + | As you've been away for a rather long time, I wanted to inform you that policy about cleaning your own talk page has changed; you can now clean it up. I thought that maybe I should tell you when that kind of spam post was posted into your talk page, so you can get rid of it if you want. |
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| − | 6.) When referring to the cart, is it spelled "Payload cart" or "payload cart"? I thought Payload was capitalized only if it was the map being referred to, not the cart.
| + | -[[User:Asplode|Asplode]] ([[User talk:Asplode|talk]]) 02:52, 28 June 2013 (PDT) |
| | + | : I can assure you that removing of spam was never disallowed, only the removal of warnings and cautions from staff. – [[User:Smashman|<font color=#507D2A>Smashman</font>]]<sub> ([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> 04:28, 28 June 2013 (PDT) |
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| − | 7.) When referring to the locker, is it spelled "Resupply locker" or "resupply locker? It is just a general object in the game and I haven't seen the word "Resupply" capitalized by Valve in the patch notes.
| + | == Emergency wiki cap nomination meeting 1.0 == |
| − | | + | A user hit 1 year in nomination queue due to lack of staff votes. We held an emergency meeting in IRC on Tuesday, May 17, and the result was [[Team_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Cap/Nominations#Emergency meeting 1.0|this]]. Seb26, please provide some feedback! [[User:Darkid|'''<span style="color: #db9c1f">Darkid</span>''']] « [[User talk:Darkid|<span style="color: #75735F">Talk</span>]] — [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color: #BA0000">Contribs</span>]] » 22:13, 17 May 2016 (PDT) |
| − | 8.) Shouldn't it be "Natascha" versus "the Natascha"?
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| − | 9.) Shouldn't it be "a flamethrower's compression blast" versus "the Flamethrower's compression blast"? The "Flamethrower" is the specific name of a "flamethrower". The game has a few "flamethrowers". Is the "Flamethrower" the only one of its kind that interrupts the drinking process?
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| − | 10.) Are general names of taunts, like "Action taunt", capitalized?
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| − | 11.) The sentence "If the player uses the console commands kill, or explode to commit suicide while under the effects Bonk! Atomic Punch, the kill will be awarded to the last player on the enemy team to have dealt damage the Scout with a weapon, even if the Scout was invulnerable at the time the damage was taken." does not entirely make sense in my opinion.
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| − | 12.) In the sentence "An active adult's daily recommended sugar intake is around 90 grams. Assuming the contents of Bonk! Atomic Punch are as advertised, the drink would have to contain several hundred times worth the daily recommended amount, weighing a can of Bonk! at least 9 kg. This would equate roughly to 20 lbs.", are the links to grams and lbs. needed? The part saying "Assuming the contents of Bonk! Atomic Punch are as advertised, the drink would have to contain several hundred times worth the daily recommended amount..." sounds a little confusing. The "advertisement" already states that Bonk! has several hundred times worth the daily recommended amount of sugar, so why does it have to sound speculative? Also, is the trivia trying to say how much sugar a person would intake if they drank Bonk!, or instead on how heavy the can would be in the real world?
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| − | 13.) Should it be written as "Bonk logo" or something like "Bonk! Atom Punch" logo?
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| − | 14.) I think that the part where it says "...where the Scout appeared under the Bonk logo dressed like DC superhero, The Flash, who, like the Scout, is famous for his speed." has one too many commas.
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| − | 15.) Why was my fix to the reference section changed back to "uberupdate scoutpack. It has a hanging " symbol and when you click the link it doesn't say "uberupdate scoutpack, but instead The Über Update Scout Pack like I wrote earlier.
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| − | Forgot to sign this. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] 05:12, 13 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :I'm not sure whether in each of those points either person is right / wrong, but I would say that things like this would be better brought up on the article's talk page so that others can have input [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 00:27, 13 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::I have brought up some particular questions in articles' talk pages, but no one seems to have answered. I thought I'd ask an admin. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] 05:15, 13 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == RE: Templates ==
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| − | Actually, I split '''2''' tables into '''2''' templates. Regardless, I was planning on adding translation switching to them. Thank god you didn't delete the templates after removing them from the page. However, I've been very busy lately (full time job and what-not), so I've been unable to work on adding translation switching. [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 03:22, 15 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Item quality colored in articles ==
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| − | I was wondering what you thought of having the item quality name in articles colored. For example, "...received a [[Genuine]] quality version of the weapon..." would be changed to "...received a {{User:Rolandius/Template:Genuine}} quality version of the weapon..." [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] 05:55, 19 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :I think it's not necessary [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 05:56, 19 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | Thanks for restoring translation. It' my fault! -- '''[[User:Gun-n-rose|<span style="color:#000000;font-size:13px;font-family:'TF2 Build';text-shadow:#000000; 1px 1px 0px;">''FLIPPY''</span>]]''' [[File:TF2_crosshair.png|14px|link=User:Gun-n-rose]] <spanЮstyle="font-size:10px">(''[[User talk:Gun-n-rose|Talk]]'' | ''[[Special:Contributions/Gun-n-rose|Contribution]]'')</span> 06:14, 19 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | Why the [[Template:ÜberUpdateNav|Über Update template]] can use the all class icon and the Manno-Technology no? [[User:Dio|Dio ★]] ([[User talk:Dio|talk]]) 15:44, 19 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :I removed it from {{tl|ÜberUpdateNav}} but somebody added it again. The all class icon shouldn't be used because it doesn't make sense as an icon. The TF2 emblem doesn't look like it means "all classes". If there's no one class for an item in the nav it should just not use an icon at all [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 15:48, 19 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | Just for the record, I ''did'' notice what I'd done just before you fixed it, you ninja! Thanks for sorting out the mess. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 17:06, 19 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | I saw that you had been removing the TF2 emblem as the all class icon. While I am sure that this has been discussed by people more knowledgeable then me, I just wanted to point out that Valve actually also uses the TF2 emblem as an all class icon, as seen on the [http://www.teamfortress.com/deus-ex/ Deus Ex Update page], near the bottom. The Machina, Diamondback, Purity Fist, Widowmaker, Short Circuit and Nanobalaclava all use the icon of their TF2 class, while the Company Man and Dues Specs, both all class items, use the TF2 emblem. I just thought I should point that out, just in case it was missed or something. -- <span style="font-family:TF2 Build;font-size:90%;">[[File:Killicon train.png|40px|link=User:Hefaistus]] [[User:Hefaistus|<font color="#FF9933">Hefaistus</font>]]</span> - [[User talk:Hefaistus|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]] 00:44, 20 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :I didn't see this, hmmpf. It hasn't really been decided one way or the other, it was brought up on [[Project:Discussion#All-Class emblem in navs|Discussion]] a couple of weeks ago but there wasn't any real agreement. I will stop removing the icons from stuff until more people weigh in but I still think that it doesn't really make sense as an icon. [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 00:50, 20 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::I knew I had seen the discussion before, I just couldn't find it. I will post the bit about the Deus Ex page in the discussion, maybe that it will get the discussion going. -- <span style="font-family:TF2 Build;font-size:90%;">[[File:Killicon train.png|40px|link=User:Hefaistus]] [[User:Hefaistus|<font color="#FF9933">Hefaistus</font>]]</span> - [[User talk:Hefaistus|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]] 00:54, 20 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | They are '''NOT''' plagiarized from zh-hant variants. Please understand that Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese are '''the exact same language''' only some words are written or "spelled" differently. This is the same as American English and European English.
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| − | [[User:Shawnchi|Shawnchi]] 17:37, 23 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :It seems the deleted pages were removed because they had be tagged for deletion by [[User:~www~|~www~]] - a long-time Traditional Chinese translator. I'll invite him to participate in this discussion as I know nothing of the Chinese language, to hear what he has to say. -[[User:RJackson|<span class="modbg" style="margin-right:1px;text-shadow: #538237 1px 1px 0px;">RJ</span>]] 18:11, 23 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::'''To Shawnchi:''' I think you are the one who totally misunderstood the whole situation. The TChinese and SChinese are '''NOT''' the same language. First, it were developed by Communist Party of China and ancient China separately, second, a large amount of usage is different, last, the tones are different. Even though you ''consider'' these two languages are the same, I would say that almost '''all Taiwanese''' will not agree with that. You guys should do the pages from scratch, not just copy and ''claim'' that you didn't. If you still want to against me, fine, talk to [[User:Nafoul|Nafoul]], he is the SChinese translator. He also agreed that I should delete the copied pages. Anyway, I see that you also did some pages which I consider ''plagiarism''. So here's my last warning: '''If you Chinese guys kept doing these, I would try to delete it faster than your speed of coping.''' Now please, shut up, stop coping and '''do some REAL works''' for yourself and ''your colleagues''.
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| − | ::'''To Seb or RJ:''' I have many reasons to prove that they were plagiarizing. If you open the pages of [[Minigun/zh-hant|Minigun/zh-hant]] and [[Minigun/zh-hans|Minigun/zh-hans]], then switch watching between it, you will find out that it's''' totally the same'''. Even though the language are the same, t'''he words count is impossible to be the same if they translated the pages from scratch.''' It's easy to find out even though you know nothing about Chinese. I speculate that they just ''copied the zh-hant, put the text in Microsoft Word, converted it, change the links, put it on zh-hans at last.'' If they deny that, I got a strong prove: why the name of Minigun in SChinese is "转轮机枪" but changed to "格林机枪" when he created the pages?? "格林機槍" was the name of Minigun in TChinese, and they even '''too lazy to change the name''' when they converted the text ! Believe me Seb, these Chinese are making some excuse to justify their acts of plagiarism. I seldom get angry, but this time I'm sick of what they did. I get really angry this time because they always want to accomplish something but refusing to put any effort in it. I hope your judgment can give me the right of protecting the zh-hant. If you think that they are making too many troubles, you can even close the whole zh-hans project ! In sum, it's all your decision. If you want more prove, I would love to find more for both of us, and the whole Wiki community.
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| − | [[User:~www~|~www~]] 19:24, 23 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::Alright, ~www~. First off, why the hell are you being so rude? I've never done wiking before in my life. Secondly, how are the words “国” and "國“ different? They are merely written differently, but their meaning and pronunciation are the EXACT same. Tell me. Are UK English and US English different languages? Do the words "Color" and "Colour" have different meanings? If you were writing two wiki articles, one in US English and one in UK English, would you not just copy one and replace the words? But if it really matters to you, let me ask you why the hell was my SChinese article of the Scouts pistol deleted when I wrote the ENTIRE, and yes, I mean ENTIRE article from scratch? Please answer that. [[User:Shawnchi|Shawnchi]] 22:59, 23 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::*You know what? I'm tired of explaining every obvious things. First, SC and TC are different. It's not just as simple as to separate UK and US English. Were the words in UK English changed? '''NO, BUT CHINESE WERE, SO SC AND TC IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT'''. Therefore, I will not accept if anyone, especially Chinese, copied the work. Plus, even you DIDN'T plagiarize the pages, your countrymen did that before, One of them ([[User:Lllyyylll|Lllyyylll]]) just did that yesterday. How come I would believe that you guys claim "I didn't plagiarize" ? Because you guys really did that! If you do the translation from scratch at first, I would not say anything, but the point is that '''you guys plagiarize and this is the truth''', so deleting the pages are naturally correct!
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| − | ::::*Did you just say that I'm rude? You guys are much ruder than I am! See it by yourself! How shameless you guys are, except [[User:Nafoul|Nafoul]]!
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| − | ::::*Last thing: '''I DIDN'T DELETE THE PISTOL/ZH-HANS, I DELETED OTHER PAGES!!''' Check it ''carefully'' before you accuse someone. Anyway, you totally know what you have done, and I have already record the proves of what you guys did. Others will be easy to identify that you are saying the truth, or '''making excuse for plagiarism'''. If you want to against me, or trying to destroy the works I have done, you had better watch out, cause I will keep fighting till I get the justice that I shall receive.
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| − | ::::What I want to say is finished, thus I will not waste my time arguing with you anymore.
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| − | ::If [[User:Shawnchi|Shawnchi]]'s point is correct that Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese are totally the same language, then why bother having S-Chinese page? Just keep T-Chinese, the oldest official written form of Chinese in respect of its development history, in wiki should be just fine with everyone. The reason why people separating them should be obvious, cus '''IN WRITTEN FORM THEY ARE TOTALLY NOT SAME AT ALL'''. In the case we are now talking about, with we T-Chinese translator's point of view explained above, what some of the S-Chinese translators have done is '''exactly called PLAGIARISM'''. It is impossible that the outputs of the same whole text translated by various translators are semantically, syntactically and pragmatically identical. If such condition happened, it is very likely that the later one has copied the earliest one and merely transformed them into different written style. Just examine the editing history of the referred pages and see when the earliest version has been create in each language (zh-hant & zh-hans). Unfortunately those suspected S-Chinese pages are all came out later than T-Chinese, according to the history. Therefore we are sure that the tagged S-Chinese pages are works plagiarized directly from T-Chinese pages.
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| − | ::Hope I made our point clear enough, and thanks for admins' help.
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| − | ::[[User:Jcmbmhitacid|Jcmbmhitacid]] 02:13, 24 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :: @~www~ You are extremely rude. What have I done that was quote "so rude" to you? I have not publicly denounced your country at all, and here you are, calling "all Chinese rude". "All Chinese copy". That's fucking offensive. And I'm not even Chinese. I'm Taiwanese like you, but raised in Los Angeles, living most of my life in China. You have no right making these grand assumptions. Anyway, I redid the Minigun page for you, you discriminating a-rod.
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| − | ::@Jcmbmhitacid Some people can't read Traditional, that's why. They are written differently.
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| − | ::I'll say leave the judgment to the admins. Let's stop quarreling here. All of us.
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| − | ::: I still don't get why ~www~ was so rude to me, accusing me of being rude, while he's sitting there insulting ALL Chinese people. Friggin' dick.
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| − | First I'd like to say that discussion about this should remain civil and about the topic, personal attacks and insults won't be tolerated any further. I deleted the /zh-hans articles that were tagged by ~www~ after checking each one manually to see if it was indeed copied. Essentially every page was copied from the corresponding /zh-hant page but with some links and names changed in various places. I went ahead and deleted all of these because of this and because of previous discussions I've had with ~www~ and other translators about this. Whether or not either variant of written Chinese is readable or not readable by whomever, they are to be treated as two separate 'languages' on the wiki just as Portuguese and Brazilian Portuguese are. Please do not copy any further pages from Traditional articles, Simplified articles are to be created from scratch using the English version as the guide. [[user:seb26|<small style="background:#f9f9f9;border:1px solid #0070FF;padding:0em 0.5em;color:#000;-webkit-box-shadow:2px 1px 1px #8BBEFF;">'''seb26'''</small>]] 15:23, 24 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::Okay, however, my zh-hans Pistol page was still deleted, even after I created the entire page from scratch. Why is that? [[User:Shawnchi|Shawnchi]] 19:21, 24 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | Hey there. I noticed that you did some hat pictures, and I was wondering how you paint on a hat in SourceSDK without covering the whole thing. Whenever I try, the entire hat gets covered and I have to edit the picture. Please respond :P --[[File:Leaderboard class {{lc:Scout}}.png|link={{#ifeq:{{lc:Scout}}|all classes|Classes|Scout}}{{if lang}}|20px|bottom]] [[User:Darkside|<span style="text-shadow:gray 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#000000"><tt><big><u>'''Darkside'''</u></big></tt></font>]]</span> 19:11, 24 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :There's a guide [[Template:Painted variants/Tutorial|here]]. {{n}} {{User:EpicEric/Sig/Image|RED}} {{User:EpicEric/Sig/Text|Epic|#5885A2}} {{User:EpicEric/Sig/Text|Eric|#B8383B}} {{User:EpicEric/Sig/Image|BLU}}{{User:EpicEric/Sig/Extra}} 19:25, 24 August 2011 (PDT)
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Well, another problem...
Hi, Seb. I have another thing that need your help. Yesterday the zh-hant Wiki had a new guy called Lockon, however he has brought a lot of trouble. First, he changed the names of items without any permission, notice or discussion. Then he ignored and deleted my waring about changing the names. He claimed that his act was trying to "make his talk page looks better". Actually, what he said was totally rubbish. The last one, which is the most unacceptable one, is that he translated the pages (A)Symmetry CP Contest/zh-hant and Dustbowl (Training)/zh-hant with the use of automated translation tool. I can easily confirm that, and my partner jcmbmhitacid can prove the point for me. Lockon used the translation tools, made the whole format of pages a mess, did not use the "show preview" button, and of course, ignore others' warning and trying to pretend that everything was normal. Therefore I strongly insist that Seb should block user Lockon from further editing permanently, or he shall make more trouble and inconvenience for the editors in the zh-hant Wiki.
Thanks for your understanding and help, but be careful with Lockon's behavior, due to his own consideration of having no problems at all.
18:49, 11 February 2012 (PST)
- RE: I see that, thanks for your assist :). 19:26, 11 February 2012 (PST)
- ~www~, i had taken your advise for not using any translation tools from yesterday, and today i added some missing photos which should have been thereMerc_Medal/zh-hant. Also i did a page without any translation tools which is the Aerial/zh-hant so i hope you please consider i have taken your complains and improved it thank you.
Lockon 09:03, 14 February 2012 (PST) Lockon
- You called that translating? You copied Aerial/zh-hant from zh-hans! 09:26, 14 February 2012 (PST)
Chinese Simplify and Chinese Traditional is the same pal
, its just different writing, one is easier to write and also its not all the same, also check it agian some items or classes like is changed by me zh-hans: Soldier = 士兵 and zh-hant: Soldier 火箭兵
Lockon 09:53, 14 February 2012 (PST)Lockon
Further problems
1.Lockon keeps on doing unnecessary edits to zh-hant. For example, He was doing pointless changes to zh-hant pages, copied the article from zh-hans and made it as a contribution, or kept placing {{subst:welcome}} to anyone who are new to wiki, even though he himself are a new guy, I don't even know if there's a real account where he put {{subst:welcome}}. Frankly, I suggest blocking him, quickly, or he will do more things that he claims "contribution to wiki".
2.Same problem, different day, User Bestipod was coping the zh-hant pages (5 pages for now) and converted it into zh-hans. Could need your help to delete the pages.
3.Actually, after being copied for many many times, I am angry, tired, exhausted of their acts. I don't think I can take it anymore. I really wish there's a solution of stopping these acts forever.
Really apperciate your help, Seb. 08:51, 14 February 2012 (PST)
- I'd like to ask a related question - setting aside the fact that zh-hant is not the same as zh-hans, is there actually any rule against copying the content of a page? As far as I'm concerned, any information posted on the wiki is free for public use so can be copied anywhere - excepting of course images and such which have licenses attached. From what I can tell the issue with Bestipod is not that he made bad translations, but that his source material was ~www~'s work. » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 09:59, 14 February 2012 (PST)
- There are no rules/laws against copying wiki work. This is why some content could be migrated from the old Wiki here and why the fact that some of the pages here are copied directly over there are not punishable. --
Firestorm 10:04, 14 February 2012 (PST)
- So you guys are saying that it's OK to let zh-hans coping our works without any efforts of translating the pages from scratch? 10:06, 14 February 2012 (PST)
- I never said that. In the case of these translations, it is NOT ok. The problem is not in the copying of another's work, but in the usage of the incorrect language on an article. I am simply clarifying where the issue is. -- Firestorm 10:08, 14 February 2012 (PST)
- Understand you meaning. However Firestorm, you should know that the coping done by zh-hans translators is always a trouble to all zh-hant translators. 10:17, 14 February 2012 (PST)
我是冤枉的
1 我是一个TF2的爱好者，我使用简体汉语。
2 我们只是文字上的不同，在使用上简体汉字和繁体汉字几乎没有差别。
3 我希望您公正的看待这一问题，WIKI是一个贡献社区，我并没有抄袭任何人的。
4 我希望管理员您能继续让我为TF2 WIKI做贡献。
To Bestipod & Lockon
I can firmly say that zh-hant and zh-hans are totally different. I am tired to argue this old issue, I say that we leave the judgment to the top admins. 10:01, 14 February 2012 (PST)
Ok, your still the old member around here you can decide
Lockon 10:16, 14 February 2012 (PST)Lockon
i am do my work very hard ,because they aretotally different, Bestipod
I have posted a topic at Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion#zh translation relating to this. seb26 12:25, 14 February 2012 (PST)
Thx for the solution of the chinese wiki
Lockon 12:41, 14 February 2012 (PST)Lockon
The future of zh-hant
Seb, it's ~www~. After a few days of thinking, I think I need to discuss something critical about zh-hant with you on Steam privately. I don't know when can I contact you, so I guess that Saturday or Sunday night will be fine? 07:39, 17 February 2012 (PST)
Hi seb
Hi seb, lockon told me to find you for advise for editing and translating (check his discussion to see). I wan't to ask how to translate a good quality piece or edit a good quality piece of work?
Spytron 01:47, 18 February 2012 (PST)Spytron
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Cleaning policy of your own talk page
Hey,
As you've been away for a rather long time, I wanted to inform you that policy about cleaning your own talk page has changed; you can now clean it up. I thought that maybe I should tell you when that kind of spam post was posted into your talk page, so you can get rid of it if you want.
-Asplode (talk) 02:52, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
- I can assure you that removing of spam was never disallowed, only the removal of warnings and cautions from staff. – Smashman (talk) 04:28, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
Emergency wiki cap nomination meeting 1.0
A user hit 1 year in nomination queue due to lack of staff votes. We held an emergency meeting in IRC on Tuesday, May 17, and the result was this. Seb26, please provide some feedback! Darkid « Talk — Contribs » 22:13, 17 May 2016 (PDT)
