Talk:Spine-Chilling Skull 2011

formula

The formula didn't have 2010 when this page was first written and i suspect that was correct, dunno why it was changed. I just crafted 4 2011 skulls in a row... that's a 16/81 chance if anybody wants to do the math.. --User:UltimateTerabyte 13:00, 8 November 2011 (PST)

tradability

If you craft a skull with the haunted metal, will it be tradable? Thespy 14:48, 28 October 2011 (PDT)

If the Haunted Metal you used is untradable (which it usually is), then the resulting hat won't be tradable either. » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 15:40, 28 October 2011 (PDT)

Style Class Gallery

Do we need a gallery of the classes for each style of the skull (3 galleries in total)? The End² 23:43, 2 November 2011 (PDT)

Methinks {{Tabs}} would come in handy for this — Wind 23:48, 2 November 2011 (PDT)

Ditto the paint gallery as well. » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 05:14, 3 November 2011 (PDT)

This is the first all-class hat with legit styles, so we may need to figure out what to do going forward for all all-class hats with styles, should they add some in the future. Balladofwindfishes 05:28, 3 November 2011 (PDT)

Can anyone confirm Fashnek's additions?

"When crafting using the Fabricate Haunted Headgear recipe, the player will receive a version of the Spine-Chilling Skull 2011 hat that only has one of the three possible styles. The style of the skull cannot be changed to the other styles. Only hats purchased through the Mann Co. Store will have the option of switching between the three styles." <--Needs proof, otherwise it should be removed from the article. 404: User Not Found ^(talk) 23:56, 8 November 2011 (PST)

• Not really my information originally, though I have heard of this multiple times myself. UltimateTerabyte has supported this this anecdotally in the IRC channel as well. At the very least, my edits should not be strictly reverted -- all of my additions about the four different versions of this hat are correct. One of the four was purchasable only, and the other three are craft-only. --Fashnek 00:10, 9 November 2011 (PST)

For what its worth, I have crafted all 3 styles of Spine-Chilling Skull 2011 using the Fabricate Haunted Headgear blueprint. The Skulls are here today backpack1, but will be moved to backpack2 next week after i can trade myself giftwrap. Nooch 09:53, 11 November 2011 (PST)

The game considers them 4 distinct hats

Should we have four pages for this hat? The Spine-Chilling Skull 2011 and the three styles? The styles as their own hats are used for when you craft the haunted metal into one, and it remains that hat forever. I'm thinking since the game says they're seperate hats, we should also treat them as separate hats. Balladofwindfishes 08:03, 11 November 2011 (PST)

No since they all still stem from the same hat, and are still the same hat. If each hat had it's own page, we would have 3 redundant copies of the same page. It is already mentioned on this page that you can individually craft each style separately. Since they stem from the same master hat, it should be left as is in the grouped article. kenny 08:10, 11 November 2011 (PST)

But the game fundamentally considers them 4 distinct items. Spine-Chilling Skull 2011 is not craftable at all, it's a totally different item that just has the other 3 hats as styles. If not 4 distinct pages, I think we should at least have 2 separate pages, since the items are a bit different as far as mechanics are concerned. I think the article is a little confusing right now. Balladofwindfishes 08:13, 11 November 2011 (PST)

I just edited it to clarify the issue. On that note, gallery pictures for Spine-Cooling and Spine-Twisting need to be added. kenny 08:27, 11 November 2011 (PST)

P.S. I did a little searching for some precedent on the issue. The only other hat that does this is the Gibus, and each version has its own page, so I guess for now we can split each one. If worst comes to worst, they can always group them back together. kenny 08:27, 11 November 2011 (PST)

Look at the styles page. Pyromancer's Mask, Large Luchadore, and Villain's Veil also have 3 styles like Spine-Chilling Skull 2011; but, because crafted Spine-Chilling Skull 2011 don't have styles i agree its like a Gibus. Also, Bounty Hat, Treasure Hat, and Hat of Undeniable Wealth And Respect would be another comparable instance. Nooch 09:05, 11 November 2011 (PST)

I knew there was another hat =) forgot about that treasure hat. Pages were created. kenny 09:10, 11 November 2011 (PST)

The page quite clearly states that "crafted versions of this hat will randomly select one of three styles and permanently lock itself, unable to change style. The hat will be named after the crafted style, counting as its own unique item." There's no need for redundant pages. The Gibus does not behave in the same way, so it's not comparable. i-ghost 10:06, 11 November 2011 (PST)

The Gibus and Treasure Hat do behave in a similar fashion. If this page is to be merged into one article, the Gibus pages might as well be merged as one as well as the treasure hat pages. There are 3 completely different versions of those hats you can have, however with the ability on some to change style to a lesser version. The only difference between this hat and those hats is that the crafted versions from this one can't change style, which does indeed make them their own hats. This creates an inconsistency in the wiki style. You can;t have one set of hats from one group having their own separate pages, and another set grouped together. It's one or the other, not both. kenny 10:16, 11 November 2011 (PST)

No, actually, it's quite possible to have both. The statement on the page makes it quite clear how the hat behaves; the extra pages add nothing of substance to the Wiki. Keep in mind that the ability to "downgrade" your treasure/bounty/houwar hat was patched in later, whereas these skulls are simply styles derived from one hat. Incidentally, Ballad has neglected to mention that the game refers to the three child hats as styles; take a look at the schema yourself. i-ghost 10:25, 11 November 2011 (PST)

The game also refers to the three styles as their own items (same for the schema)... Balladofwindfishes 10:42, 11 November 2011 (PST)

Yes I know, I added that statement. However, The Gibus is one hat only, and the preceding style is added to your hat each year during Halloween. New players start out with a Gastly Gibus, then the next year/update it becomes Gastlier, Gastlierest, etc, etc. The preceding styles can't be their own hats, they don't get awarded individually. Therefore, it is one hat and needs to be merged into a single article to reflect that. kenny 10:41, 11 November 2011 (PST)

I have thought about this a bit myself, and I agree that there should be four articles. The three individual craftables are each their own hat, and they function independently. Then there is a store bought item that can take on the form of the others. I agree that the spine-cooling, etc. hats are similar to Bounty and Ghastly in that respect. The only new aspects here are that the "upgraded" hat has no unique style, and there are three different "basic" hats instead of just one. Otherwise, it's the same idea. Splitting the pages also makes sense for reasons of separating galleries, paint variants, item schema info, etc. It's true that the 2011 item's page would have redundant information, but that could easily be the shortest of the four, deferring to the individual articles for most information. --Fashnek 22:09, 12 November 2011 (PST)

If you still want to go ahead with it don't re-upload the painted variants, simply make them redirects to the already-uploaded painted styles of the 2011 skulls. i-ghost 09:12, 13 November 2011 (PST)

Glitch?

This is in the article:

"There was a glitch on the 11th November where uncraftable hats became craftable after trading them. This means there will be a few truly clean Spine-Chilling Skull 2011. " This is the patch on the 11th november 2011:

"Fixed a problem with precaching pumpkin_bomb entities"

Soooooooocan anyone explain to me how the glitch was stopped with pumpkin precaching???? Or is it an undocumented update which "killed" the glitch?? Not mentioned anywhere only trivia and past tense. TheDoctor(without a small pic) 20:19, 12 November 2011 (PST)

Hey, I was one of the first that exploited it; that update actually broke the Steam Trade, and then later, they fixed it without an update. No update at all, I'd imagine that they just changed the way Steam Trade handled uncraftable items. Ryceg 14:14, 23 November 2011 (PST)

This wiki primarily documents client-side updates. Updates to the item server can happen any time and may go completely unnoticed, unless accompanied by an item schema change. In this case, I believe the trade bug was completely server side, so it's probably not even known when this was fixed. I believe it shouldn't be listed as part of the patch for that day, though. Fashnek 14:44, 23 November 2011 (PST)

Limited attribute / craftability

So the Scream Fortress 2014 update added the limited attribute to all the Spine-Chilling Skull 2011 skulls, including the craftable ones. However it seems the recipe for the craftable versions is still available. Is the attribute being applied to the craftable versions a glitch or does the recipe no longer work despite still being listed in the crafting menu? And should this inconsistency be noted on the page? - Tasty Salamanders (talk) 21:46, 18 November 2014 (PST)

It has been awhile since I posted this, but given the lack of responses I'll just mention I managed to test it myself the other day. I crafted a Spine-Cooling Skull and it had the limited attribute attached, so that answers the question. So I guess it is only a matter of whether it should be noted on the page or not. - Tasty Salamanders (talk) 18:56, 13 February 2015 (PST)