Talk:Non-player characters

Elizabeth -> Emily?

In the Last Will and Testament of Zepheniah Mann, he leaves his estate to his maidservant Elizabeth. However, Loose Canon has the Will being read as giving the estate (what's left of it, anyways) to Emily. They are doubtlessly the same person (See the images) so which name should be used on the page? Maybe Valve's just trolling, but the issue still exists. The Neotank 13:34, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Elizabeth must be Emily. Plus it has an image of her, looking all Administratory right there. -- Smashman... _{(t • s)} 14:30, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I spoke to Makani in person, and she told me that they are separate people, and the inclusion of the name "Emily" in Zephaniah's will was a mistake. Elizabeth, Emily, and Helen are, however, all related. Fawkes 06:39, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Investigation of the Adminstrator's ancestry

This wiki page depicts Elizabeth/Emily as Zepheniah Mann's hand servant and also the woman who spoke with Radigan Conagher.

According to this page Elizabeth/Emily existed in the 1850s. However, forty years later she appears younger when she speaks with the Engineer's grandfather than she had in the previous page. Wouldn't the unnamed woman that spoke with Radigan Conagher be Elizabeth/Emily's daughter and the current Administrator's mother? TerminalGear 21:02, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

True dat. -- Smashman... _{(t • s)} 17:49, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

So then, shouldn't we make the distinction between Elizabeth/Emily and the unnamed woman? Because right now, all the wiki pages have them labeled as the same person... TerminalGear 19:03, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, seems reasonable enough. At least unless Valve manage to link them in another way, such as the theory that she had the third life extender machine (but that's aside the point for now). Hackett 19:05, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

1890's BLU Team

According to Makani, the only actual historical figure to appear in the 1890's BLU team portrait is Abraham Lincoln. The Engineer, Sniper, Scout, and Heavy are modeled after Tesla, Crockett, Billy the Kid and John Henry Irons, but are not necessarily supposed to be them. Spy was styled as a Fu Manchu type of character. Demoman is simply a crazy prospector, and was not drawn to resemble the original Demoman concept art. Soldier and Medic were simply drawn in the style of Civil War-era soldiers and medics, and were not meant to be specific people. Fawkes 06:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Here's her blog post on the subject: http://makani.deviantart.com/journal/33304412/ Fawkes 15:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Should the identities of the original team be added to the 'Trivia' section of the class pages? Or should they be left out, as most of them are merely speculation? Darthmustache 13:08, 21 July 2011 (PDT)

Radigan is a Hale?

Maybe the Engineer is a decendant of the Hale family? Maybe Saxton is the grandfather, using his own life-prolonging machine nightly? Hmm, but there was a Hale present at the will signing... Michael 22:47, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Are you saying that because of the beefy appearance he takes as shown progressively by the hidden links of the engineer update? I think it's just an effect of Australium exposure. In any case, speculation I'd say — WindPower 22:54, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

• • Ah well, I can dream... Michael 23:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Tavish's Family

I seem to recall that the Soldier vs. Demoman comic mentions the Demoman's name is Tavish, and he had a full family (Mom and Dad) at one point. Should I type up a section under Groups on this, or is his family not quite big enough to fit under it? --ANormalUsername 19:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, it would be a tad superfluous, as Mrs. DeGroot already has her own section on the page. -The Neotank ( | Talk) 22:14, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

You could combine the Mrs DeGroot bit and add a Mr DeGroot bit then call it the DeGroot Family. In groups. If you'd like. -- Smashman... _{(t • s)} 22:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds good. We have a section on the Sniper's parents and we don't even know what they look like. --Firestorm   22:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Does it mention how Mrs. Degroot lost her eyes? It can be safe to assume that she lost them because of them being Scottish Highlanders right? Kevschow 08:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

She didn't necessarily lose her eyes; she's just mentioned as blind. Could simply be due to old age, but considering the circumstances there probably is a link. —烏Γ ^{(kaw at me)}, 20:41, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Vladimir Bananas

was poopy joe's soviet nemesis, can we write something about him under or in poopy joe's section? Guy 21:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

You can put it in. -- En Ex _(talk) 21:57, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Hippies

Hippies have been the punching bag of the game And has been mentioned quite a lot. I figured it might be nice to mention all the times Hippies has been mentioned in TF2. NumbersGuy 18:10, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Redmond in Red Manor

Added a section about how YM included Redmond in Red Manor, the location of his Artpass map. Since Valve have made the map official, that means Redmond's location is most likely canon. Omnomnick 07:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure we can call a community made map: "canon". And I'm not sure Redmond would allow a battle so close to his home. Danton 14:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Well I think ill have to correct you on that when valve accepts a 3rd party map it is then considered official therefore canon.--Smokeyford 02:39, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

It's not that I don't believe you, its just I'm the kind of guy that needs proof before I believe most things. So if you can, supply some infromation that will prove your point, Smokey. Danton 18:46, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

The Sniper's parents

"Then he decides to tell his mom to tell his dad that he is a doctor now."

Is this correct? Seems like there's a parent too many in this sentence. Is it his mom or his dad? Hassun 18:48, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Look's okay to me? Moussekateer 18:51, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

'Just tell dad I make more money than a doctor. In fact, tell dad I am a doctor now.' Basically, shorten it to 'As far as his dad knows, he is a doctor now.'--Focusknock s 18:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. Hassun 17:21, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Franklin D. Roosevelt

Where is he? He perfected the stairs in 1921 as said in the Gunboats page I think he should be placed in the "Historical Figures section in the Non Player Characters page Mardamien24 03:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I think so too, so I'll add him. Tib 20:31, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

npc's and story characters

npcs refer to in game characters not people mentioned in the comics story characters and npcs should be different things and only the ghost and the HHH should be here.Ares5566 04:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Kicasso

As I pointed out in this edit, the fact that Kicasso went through a "Hunted in the Jungle" period may be more than a coincidence. Since the BLU Engineer is Kicasso's most prominent fan, and the BLU Engineer is "the Hunted", is there a link? —烏Γ ^{(kaw at me)}, 20:44, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Francis the Talking France

Francis originated from Eric Wolpaw's website Old Man Murray. Should this be cited in the main article? Calzone 23:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The trivia says "He claims to be the inventor of the French terms "Mise en scene! Auteur! Avante-garde! Montage! Even cinéma!", doesn't he just mean that France invented those words, as in they are all French terms.MEDUNN 14:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the mafia is an NPC

A casual mention on the blog in a very sarcastic tone doesn't make the entire mafia an NPC. Balladofwindfishes 07:11, 23 June 2011 (PDT)

• I don't think it was even supposed to be the Mafia, I thought the joke was they had gone to an Italian Resturant assuming, because they were Italian, they were mobsters and didn't bother to listen to them because they were to busy eating. Then later just made up alot of mostly incorrect terms they had vaguly heard in connection to thye mob.MEDUNN 14:00, 24 July 2011 (PDT)

Uh. Someone outta take it down. --SilverHammer 14:01, 24 July 2011 (PDT)

doneMEDUNN 14:09, 24 July 2011 (PDT)

poopy joe

ok so this is really evidence that portal II is in the TF2 universe. cave johnson mentions the 1968senate hearing on missing astronauts. poopy joe is a missing astronaut. COInCIDENCE??? The ASHPD 14:14, 6 July 2011 (PDT)The_ASHPD

Coincidence? Yeah. Noizeblaze 14:37, 6 July 2011 (PDT)

Still though, VALVe does throw a lot of references into their games. The ASHPD 23:20, 8 July 2011 (PDT)The_ASHPD

I don't know if it's just me, but I'm just sitting here picturing Poopy Joe pooping in to a Portal and hitting Chell with his poop and I'm just laughing my ass off here. SilverHammer 23:24, 8 July 2011 (PDT)

ASPHD, I think you're reading too far into this. Astronauts go missing all the time, have you never seen star Wars?

Noizeblaze, yeah.

ASPHD also a yeah.

SilverHammer... no. Please no. =/ » Cooper Kid (Blether · Contreebs) 19:27, 24 July 2011 (PDT)

The Mann Co. Gorilla

Anyone object to removing this section? It is an unnamed animal, of which I have seen around a dozen in the storyline that have not been put in this article. Rolandius 23:10, 6 September 2011 (PDT)

 Support Eh, go ahead, it really doesn't seem important at all, nor does it contribute to the canon in any way. Shane Alvarado 23:30, 6 September 2011 (PDT)

Jerry, Giuseppe, Dublin Society?

These people only appear once in the storyline and in small portions that most rational human beings would forget in seconds, or not even notice. Are these really necessary? Fyahweather 20:15, 8 October 2011 (PDT)

Historical Figures?

Why have half of them been deleted and the other half kept? What is the rational behind the half deletion?MEDUNN 07:47, 17 October 2011 (PDT)

Someone decided, that they're not important. I actually am against that. Small historical facts were pretty funny. Hey, everyone else! Should we return not so important historical figures back? Limie Pie 07:51, 17 October 2011 (PDT)

What I didn't understand was why some were kept and some deleted. For instance, why was Isaac Newton deleted and Willaim Prescott kept? It just seemed arbitary.MEDUNN 03:48, 18 October 2011 (PDT)

Apple store manager is Steve Jobs?

I thought this was the joke in the comic? The fact that we don't see his face, the black turtleneck, the reference to "curvy" things... it seems pretty obvious that this was supposed to be the gag. I tried editing it last night, though, and it got reverted, so I thought I'd bring it up here. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by ConcernedCitizen (talk) • (contribs) 15:42, 22 October 2011

Speculation isn't exactly significant enough to put in a character's profile. CidTheNinja 23:19, 31 December 2011 (PST)

It's not really 'speculation' though, is it? It's clearly Steve Jobs, that's the entire point of the joke. He's wearing a black turtleneck. A normal Apple Store Manager would be unable to authorise the sale of the company. Saxton recognises him and his favoured mode of design, hence the 'curvy stink' line- unless this is a very, very elaborate joke and the manager is in fact Johnathan Ive. LordJusticeLeveson 04:07, 23 June 2012 (PDT)

It is speculation. Don't add that to the article again. rZ 04:12, 23 June 2012 (PDT)

I've no wish to get into an edit war here and you are clearly passionate about this, but you are way off the mark. Firstly, it isn't speculation to point out a clear reference. Next you'll be saying that the new 'Urban Professional' set has nothing to do with the film Leon, even though it is a clear reference to that film. Secondly, there's no need to threaten people, and there's no need to be unpleasant. Did you really need to write "(it's not external if it's part of the wiki, whoever added this should be punched in the face for ignorance)"? LordJusticeLeveson 16:43, 27 June 2012 (PDT)

Bombinomicon doesn't qualify as a character?

He's a sentient talking book, so I think he should qualify as a character. CidTheNinja 23:19, 31 December 2011 (PST)

It might be because a page about it/him already exists.MEDUNN 04:47, 1 January 2012 (PST)

Merasmus

"When the RED Demoman was seven years old, his mother told him that the dead rose on All Hallow's Eve and would have work for him." Uh... what is this sentence even trying to say? Gold 09:35, 17 March 2012 (PDT)

The dead rose, as in the dead did rise. » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 10:01, 17 March 2012 (PDT)

Poopy Joe Main Article

Does it seem like Poopy Joe has accrued enough source material to merit and produce a full article from, considering the recent easter egg content? The Grand Karkasmolen 06:49, 27 June 2012 (PDT)

Zepheniah Mann

I don't get it, how come Zephieniah wrote the testament on his own skin? that's gross, but in the pic it looks like real paper, so i still don't get why it says that. Mr GcCc 10:15, 27 June 2012 (PDT)

Skin when prepared properly and dried resembles a cross between leather and paper. Haven't you ever seen skin bound books? Roaper 10:55, 6 July 2012 (PDT)

Merging "Poopy Joe" Section with "Mann Co. Monkeynautics"?

I think that we could merge those sections, because they seem to say the same thing (about the Poopy Joe incident). foxontherails 04:12, 7 July 2012 (PDT)

Gray

So clicking the stain on the Team Fortress 2 logo on their offical site takes you to this: http://www.teamfortress.com/gray/

So can we all declare now that the person ripped from the Mann Portrait is his third son Gray (the spectator) --André the Accelerator 19:13, 9 August 2012 (PDT)

Seems like it--Godisme 19:22, 9 August 2012 (PDT)

Patience Meriweather (midwife) sounds like a fitting name and role for the past version of Mrs. Pauling. Daisuke 19:30, 9 August 2012 (PDT)

Discussion point on theories: Should there or should there not be any theory based discussion on Gray Mann at this point? Currently there is a sentence proposing the man in the middle of the torn Mann family portrait is Gray Mann which has survived multiple edits. However, attempts to add another theory that the third Life Extender Machine in Loose Canon was built for Gray Mann have been removed. Both have evidence pointing to their possible credibility (the man in the photo is probably wearing gray, the first letter of the recipient of the Life Extender Machine is a G/C shape), but both are completely theoretical at this time. Long story short, should we remove both theories (and any additional ones until we get actual facts), or would it be permissible to add the theory regarding the Life Extender Machine back in?

I don't know, but, still, it's getting more obvious that the person in the picture is Gray, but, still, the life extender machine ... well. idk. But I don't think we should add the theory about the Life Extender Machine. Mio^Talk?!?  19:44, 10 August 2012 (PDT)

Wasn't there a third Life Extender Machine built and given to an unknown recipient? Or maybe this is part of Mann vs Machine, where Gray could have built his own and his own Robotic Team to fight RED and BLU for control of their father's land? Maybe these Robots will be a neutral threat that will attack the nearest player of the other team? NeoSlith 00:14, 11 August 2012 (PDT)

That's why I'm thinking that we shouldn't add the theory about the 3rd Life Extender machine. Too much theories. Mio^Talk?!?  08:41, 11 August 2012 (PDT)

New Last Will and Testament of ZM

Should we update the link to Zephenniah Mann's last will to match the latest version put out by Valve? http://www.teamfortress.com/mannwill/ -MartianSanta 14:09, 11 August 2012 (PDT)

Possible explanation on Gray Mann

TotalJaffaCake 14:34, 11 August 2012 (PDT)I have a few theorys on Gray Mann, one is that he is behind all the Man Vs Machine business with evidence pointing to him having background in technology (there is an article of Grey Mann being took by EAGLE (EAGLE is a type of software)and a few other pieces of evidence.

Another that Gray Mann is Gman (Half Life Universe) and that the evidence that Gman has some sort of machine keeping him alive fits perfectly with the Life Extenders.

My final theory is that he was just made by Valve to either add a bit more lore or thrown out there for fans to make theorys on, and then pick their favourite theory and use it as A way of making more TF2 content and really letting the community take control of the game.

If there are any problems with this article, if it should be in a different place ect, I am sorry as I have just finished starting my Wiki Account :3

TotalJaffaCake 14:34, 11 August 2012 (PDT)

GREY MANN!!!!

He's here.

Someone update the Redmond/Blutarch Mann and Grey Mann parts. Modulus365 03:12, 12 August 2012 (PDT)

I added in a new photo of Redmond Mann, should we take out the photo from Mann Manor? Shamjam96 05:49, 12 August 2012 (PDT)

Barnabas vs. Barnabus

Zepheniah's will has it with an A; Redmond, Blutarch, and Gray's birth certificate has it with a U (as signed by the man himself). It probably doesn't matter which one we use, as long as we're consistent - right now 'Barnabus' and 'Barnabus Hale' both redirect to the 'Barnabas Hale' entry on the NPCs page; if we change it we should make the redirects go the other way.

I like 'Barnabas' since that's how the name is almost always spelled in real life, but I'm not too attached. Thoughts?

Extreme creme 14:53, 12 August 2012 (PDT)

Past tense for Redmond and Blutarch?

This page correctly uses the past tense for dead people except for in Redmond and Blutarch's bios, but I don't know if there's a reason to think they're not dead or if it's an oversight. NotNoon 13:56, 18 August 2012 (PDT)

Unknown Figure

Should we add that the Unknown Figure in the Mann Family Portrait could potentially be Gray Mann, or is there not enough evidence for that? Cobalt32 20:07, 24 August 2012 (PDT)

If you have to use the word "potentially", don't add it in. -- Ragnar Homsar 20:14, 24 August 2012 (PDT)

We could add that there was some speculation about that, but if that kind of speculation doesn't warrant addition, then ok. Cobalt32 20:22, 24 August 2012 (PDT)

Miss Pauling doesn't deserve a page?

In my opinion Miss Pauling is more important then people like the Director or Poopy Joe, or the manager at the Apple Store. She's even up there with the Administrator, because there's inside jokes with her (the scout hitting on her) she has character development and she's involved in major story events (the WAR update). So why doesn't she get her own page, she's just in there with the one appearance NPCs. That's my two cents. Bubblington 10:38, 28 October 2012 (PDT)

Given her larger inclusion in the Mecha-Update, I think it's fair to say there is enough material for her to have her own page now. --Piemanmoo 20:47, 19 December 2012 (PST)

Abe Lincoln and the Third Life Extender

I think it's safe to say we can remove the information about the third life extender machine's date from Abe's info, as it's been heavily implied, if not proven as fact, that the Third Life-Extender machine was used for Gray Mann Hawkshadow741 07:05, 4 March 2013 (PST)