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Bots Link

Seems to me like bots should not be considered "Community" "Custom Content", or at least not anymore, and should be removed from that section, I think they should be placed in the "Game Info" "Content" section at the bottom of the main page instead, considering the fact that they are official, but I don't know how to edit the main page. Guy 13:48, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

True enough. I'll fix it later. -- Smashman... _{(t • s)} 13:07, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Done. -The Neotank ( | Talk) 13:16, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

tf2wiki.net / wiki.teamfortress.com

Hello there, why are both the (original) tf2wiki and the new (official) wiki online? Will they co-exist or eventually merge? This confuses me a bit. Thanks --Lbbt 16:22, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

TF2Wiki was an independently-owned website that was created a few years ago. Valve officially back the creation of a new Wiki, and this one was created. It has the official support of Valve, better servers and no ads. The owner of TF2Wiki does not want to take his website down, and Valve does not seem interested in buying it out. --Firestorm 16:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I did wonder why the Lumbricus Lid page was vague in one Firefox tab and comprehensive in the other, despite the same pagename; didn't note the full web-address. Everything else is exactly the same; I didn't know there were 2 wikis! So people should just update this one? JaffaCakeLover 10:49, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Pretty much, yeah. It seems the owner of the old wiki insists on keeping his site up for the ad revenue and is not really interested in maintaining its content any further. We, however, are constantly improving ours and now have official status and the support of Valve. :) seb26 [talk] 10:58, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

We're first!

Break out the champagne everyone, Google brings us up first in a search for "Team Fortress Wiki" --Firestorm 21:50, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Not for me. -- Pilk _(talk) 22:00, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Nor me. But we are gaining.  – Smashman _(talk) 12:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

It is for me too. Let's get some scrumpy and Pain Trains to drink! -- OluapPlayer _(t) 12:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

We're very close! Come on guys we can do this! --EvilDeadFan 14:38, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

yeah but if you search tf2 wiki or teamfortress 2 wiki, the old one still comes up, that create problems

Part of the issue is how you type it in. When typing "Teamfortress Wiki", we pop up first. However, when typing "TF2 Wiki", tf2wiki.net pops up first. --Krizzle_0 10:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Almost first, woohoo! ItzDark 18:39, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Should we make a Poker Night at the Inventory page?

Considering that the Heavy is in it, they made one over at the Sam and Max wiki, so I think it's just a good idea if we have one as well, besides, when the game comes out, it'll be fun to add trivia about the Heavy and how he plays cards(especially since Sasha's gonna be used)! :D --EvilDeadFan 14:38, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I like how they link the Heavy to this wiki.Also making such a page is not a bad idea. Mitko1239 14:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

As of right now, no Poker Night page. But it will definitely be mentioned on the Heavy page. If the Heavy has new Poker Night lines, I'll see what I can do with them and this Wiki. -- En Ex _(talk) 11:00, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

We should make a page, or posiable a subtopic on a page about all of the unlocks from the Game MSG_Accent_BABY

New Main Page

I like it. Very good work guys. CANPoo 05:24, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm glad I had wonderful peons like Seb26 to do some of the grunt work or it would have taken FOREVER --Firestorm 05:31, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Why did you change it? CWalkthroughs 10:45, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

It was looking old and outdated and too similar to the unofficial wiki's to make us comfortable. Nice job, seb26!  – Smashman _(talk) 11:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I like the new main page. Thank you :) --Joachimeberhard 23:02, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

And i personally do not like it. most interesting thing (patches and news line) is placed too low, huge-ass line of languages is quite a joke and that random site box is erm, not a good idea amigo. On 1280x1024 i have to scroll to read featured article, ergo first look fail. And colours are mad :( Ostrowiak 12:09, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Well that's your opinion, what do you mean by 'random site box'?  – Smashman _(talk) 12:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Funky box of links below categories images (enginaahz sentry golden wrecz etc) Ostrowiak 14:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

wat CWalkthroughs 14:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

It's a good step in the right direction if anything. --Focusknock 14:57, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

IMO I think the entire Index/Featured Article and Latest Updates/Did you know... sections are a bit big. The entire front page of the wiki now requires me to scroll side to side to see everything. I recommend condensing that or make the sections themselves scrollable. That way I can just scroll the section instead of scrolling the entire page. --ANormalUsername 05:13, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

One request so that I can sleep at night without having nightmares of duck ghosts attacking me. Make the background color on the div the class images are on white instead of sickly-yellow. Lagg 01:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

You are having nightmares with Nineaxis? -- OluapPlayer _(t) 01:26, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what this is about sickly-yellow, cause all I see is orange. -- Nineaxis 01:27, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

mp-content-header-alt is orange. This is sickly-yellow. Like an emoticon drowned in bleach. Lagg 01:32, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

He's talking about the background for each class' portrait --Firestorm 01:34, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

And it's a light orange, not yellow. -- Nineaxis 01:35, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. I'll be honest, while I agree the old page could have used something to differentiate from the old wiki, and that a lot of the new stuff looks very polished and pretty. It is a bit messy to the eyes. It feels like too much is going on at once when you first plop on the homepage for the first time, and certain things could be a little more condensed.

Examples: The index is a welcome change, however the links below it do feel a little random and confusing somewhat visually, the updates are less condensed which can be seen as a good think OR a bad thing, and due to a lot of the negative changes, things like the "Did you know" or the "featured article" seem less necessary when they are no longer a focal point to the eye amongst the rest.

Still. It has only just recently surfaced, and as with any wiki, changes can be made. I do agree it is a good start though. :) -- Benjamuffin 09:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Seb, you did a really good job. Right now, my only complaints are: 1) there are two links to the admin page right next to each other and 2) we gotta figure out a spot to put a link to the Team Fortress 2 article. So yeah, other than that, this looks pretty damn nifty! -- En Ex _(talk) 11:02, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I know I'm new, and users on this Wiki seem to have a not so strange dislike for all new users, but I think I'll prove myself valuable eventually. Anyway, a question: if I may be so bold, is there a reason why followed links appear grey on this site? It can make it a little difficult to tell if it is a link at all. Not a major concern, just a question.Subtlefuge 18:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I like the new main page a lot - just a suggestion though; maybe the Administrator link should be replaced with one to Non-player characters instead? Seems odd to give one NPC precedence when you've got others like Saxton Hale? Just a though - Goldenboy 11:31, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

She's the only one with any official gameplay ties or implications. It should stay as is. Subtlefuge 10:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

The Steam Group is 1337

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/OTFWiki

Ohyeah. -- OluapPlayer _(t) 23:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I shall be 1338 Muhaha CANPoo 02:53, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Next should be 1337 servers. ItzDark 20:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Set Bonuses

Sorry, I'm a bit new to this right now, so I don't know if I'm doing this right in any way, but...

Perhaps we should make separate pages for each of the item set bonuses introduced in the Mann-Conomy update (as well as any additional ones patched in at a later date)? It seems rather unnoticeable at the moment, simply tacked on the hat pages. Randomscripter 18:04, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, but we already have the Item Sets page. We're probably going to link to it on the main page some time in the future, I think I might put it there now, actually --Firestorm 18:09, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, alright. Just making sure. Randomscripter 20:16, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Has anyone else made this suggestion?

Most of the time I see a wiki like this, they often have a poll on their main page. It might be interesting to see the opinions of the community. Although some of the questions would probably seem trivial, it is fun to see how many people i.e. prefer to use stock weapons/think the Pyro should get a "Meet the" video before the Medic, has this idea been brought up before?--Karonen 20:49, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Left 4 Dead wiki has this, I noticed. Normally it's something boring like how is the Passing and have you jizzed for the Sacrifice yet. As we are understandably more awesome, we need polls that are better.--Focusknock 10:32, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

How many hours a week do you spend playing TF2? 1) 1-5 2) 6-10 3) 10-20 4) 20-50,000 5) oops wrong wiki. -- En Ex _(talk) 10:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps we should make a list of decent poll ideas, then we pick an order to use them? Some ideas I had: Should the Pyro or the Medic get a "Meet the" video first? How do you think the Ellis cap came to be in the TF2 world? (Reference to Bill's Hat) Which class has your favorite hats? (Hats are what make the TF2 world go round) That [Insert Class name here] is a SPY!--Karonen 18:38, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you Karonen. It would be very nice with a meet the pyro trailer. In Team Fortress there are loads of people who play the pyro, so I think it will become very popular.Ineedhats 18:47, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

We'd need an Extension and this is something we can't do. Sorry to burst your bubbles but it's almost definitely not going to happen.  – Smashman _(talk) 18:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Aren't there websites that allow you to make polls on that website? A Link to the website could work if I'm not wrong, but it seems less professional. Danton 13:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Random Button

Whenever I hit the random page button in the side bar, 7 of 8 times it brings me to a page in some foreign language. Is there any way to code it so that it goes to a page in your selected language (as defined by the main page)? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bro1017 (talk) • contribs)

We have the code, we're just waiting on JeffLane to install it. So nothing we can do now. Sorry!  – Smashman _(talk) 17:48, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

some achivments worked wierd for me

Some achivments worked wierd since I went from my C hardware to my E hardware Ex. I lost all of my points in the 1m achivments except medics, I could only achive Texas runner by dying that would result in +1 but I am realy sure that it was about running whit a already created dispenser, teleporter, or sentry. Im not complaining or so but I wonder if any1 else had that problem. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elkid0 (talk) • contribs)

The Wiki is not a forum, the issue you're having with achievements has occurred with other people as well. --Firestorm 16:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Add a "Tools" section in the Index?

Should there be a "Tools" section for keys, paint, name tags, etc. in the Index area? Specifically the "weapons, hats, game modes" section. Fendermcbender 20:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)Fendermcbender

I'm not sure. Considering that we don't have "all that many" as of right now, the page might only work to confuse people. Assuming Valve follows through and adds a few more though, then it would probably be necessary. My only concerns is with having a page potentially on the main screen with little to no content. By that's just my opinion. StarYoshi 22:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Paint, Nametags, Keys, Crates, Giftwrap, and Presents. Seems like enough for me.Spar13 15:45, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I quickly made a page for Tools. http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Tools I think there are enough tools for them to get a link on the main index. KillerKooK 20:39, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I suppose there's enough right there. Not a bad page, Killer. I don't think its quite ready to be on the main page, as we should probably clean up things such as Trivia, updates on when things such as Keys became tradeable, and notes on how Gift Wrap doesn't "actually exist" in-game yet. But definitely not a bad start at all. StarYoshi 15:14, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you should add this link into the update box.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS3ANTUOevY its for "A Granary Adventure: The Underdog Story" --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blackcat (talk) • contribs) 06:44, 27 October 2010

Change Patches icons...

From Engineer to Horseless Headless Horsemann? -- OluapPlayer _(t) 22:02, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

 Support Absolutely. Latest major patch, and everyone likes new stuff. ~ lhavelund ^{(talk ▪ contrib)} 22:02, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

 Support: Yup. I made the Engineer one, so I have a template, so I can do it tomorrow. Should I use the image of the Horsemann alone, or chasing the group? Someone else can do it ofcourse, I can just do it easily and not cause hassle for another. – Smashman _(talk) 22:06, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

File:Horsemann Icon mainpage.png

 Comment How's this? ~ lhavelund ^{(talk ▪ contrib)} 22:09, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

 Comment: Whore! I wanted to do it. :( But yes, that's very nice. – Smashman _(talk) 22:17, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

 Comment Looks pretty good. We just need to pootis it on the main page now. -- OluapPlayer _(t) 22:19, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Featured article position

I don't know about you, but pretty much every other wiki I've been to has the featured article section at or near the top of the main page. But here, it's at least halfway down the page and can't even be seen without scrolling down. Since there's a lot of stuff competing for prominence on the main page, I'm just wondering why it fell down. Toomai Glittershine 22:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

It's less important than the stuff above. Seemed to work. – Smashman _(talk) 22:18, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Event banner?

I can't help but feel the Main Page looks a bit bare sometimes; it might be cool to spice it up with an event banner or similar for major events (think Scream Fortress, Engineer Update, etc.). I've thrown together a example for how one could look for Scream Fortress in particular. It's made in such a way that it could easily be written into a table for a variable width layout. If people like it, I'll have a go at creating the Main Page Event template. ~ lhavelund ^{(talk ▪ contrib)} 19:01, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

This looks pretty well done. -- OluapPlayer _(t) 19:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I try. <3 ~ lhavelund ^{(talk ▪ contrib)} 19:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Now it's breaking the right boundary of the page to me. YOU HAVE FAILED ME! -- OluapPlayer _(t) 19:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

That's Smashman's fault. <_<; ~ lhavelund ^{(talk ▪ contrib)} 19:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Having looked up various bits of documentation online, it looks like we have two options.

1. Enable less strict HTML guidelines in LocalSettings.php. Pretty self-explanatory, and not recommended by me.

2. Add the relevant CSS to Common.css. Can't be abused, and makes sense.

I've cooked up the relevant markup and style for the latter:

<div id="eventScreamFortressBg">
	<div id="eventScreamFortressHhh">
		[[File:User_Lhavelund/ScreamFortress_Link.png]]
	</div>
</div>

...is the HTML code. Can be substituted by MediaWiki tables.

div#eventScreamFortressBg {
	background: url('http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/1/1e/User_Lhavelund_ScreamFortress_BG.png') repeat-x;
	height: 120px;
	width: 100%;
}

div#eventScreamFortressHhh {
	background: url('http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/1/15/User_Lhavelund_ScreamFortress_HHH.png') center right no-repeat;
	text-align:center;
	padding-top: 20px;
}

...is the required CSS. Let me know how to proceed. The images obviously need to be moved to the proper positions. I'll happily maintain any such artwork in the future should it be required. ~ lhavelund ^{(talk ▪ contrib)} 19:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea what these gimmicky codes mean, I was just suggesting to make the image smaller so it wouldn't break the bondaries of the page. -- OluapPlayer _(t) 20:07, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Sandman Wall glitch

I dont know if this has been posted before but i found this glitch in game. While using the sandmans baseball, run back and forth toward a wall hitting the ball. Make sure to go strait and to keep the ball going in a strait line towards the wall. It might take awhile but it should eventually "disapear". To see what actual happens do it to a glass wall and do it. What you'll see is that it goes strait threw the wall and still hurt the enemy. --Delterz 04:08, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

It's a known exploit, and documented here. ~ lhavelund ^{(talk ▪ contrib)} 05:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Unofficial Community Content

I've noticed that nearly all of the unofficial community content (Mods, maps, etc.) are stubs, marked for cleanup, ect. Do we really need these? There is FPSbanana. That would clean up a LOT of the wiki. --Kurathedog 21:53, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I think the general consensus is that we add pages for custom content if it is notable. That is, for example, if a map has been adopted in comp play, is featured on a bunch of servers, etc. ~ lhavelund ^{(talk ▪ contrib)} 21:54, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Instead of asking to delete them, why not contribute to them instead? That would be most helpful.--Focusknock s 21:57, 6 November 2010 (UTC)