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| + | Hi Im kidna of a new memeber i just joined last night.My friend was all like "go onto the Tf2 wiki its sick as!!".I tried it and now im on.Im kinda fast and im a real ametur at writing this but leave a comment or whatever on tips that you use on how to be fast. |
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| − | * [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]]: July-August 2010
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| − | * [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]]: September-October 2010
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| − | ==Videos for hats==
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| − | Completely unnecessary or what? <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:Ereht olleH|Ereht olleH]] ([[User talk:Ereht olleH|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Ereht olleH|contribs]]) 03:22, 15 November 2010</small>
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| − | : Completely unnecessary. Also please remember to sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 03:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I agree its completely unnecessary. [[User:Misterslin|<font color="Purple">'''MR SLIN'''</font>]] 18:44, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :With the possible exception of the [[Hotrod]]. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] 19:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :What, A small .gif on the hat's page is enough, not a whole video. [[User:Strobe|Strobe]] 19:42, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Can We Change the Random Page Link on the Navigation Bar on the Left? ==
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| − | Whenever I click the "Random Page" link on the left it usually brings up a random page in a language that isn't English. This frustrates me as an English user and I'm sure it also frustrates people who speak a different language like French to click the random page link and receive a link in Japanese. Is there any way we can have language-specific random page links? [[User:Misterslin|<font color="Purple">'''MR SLIN'''</font>]] 13:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :We would if we could: [[Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion#Random Page gives mostly non-English pages]] :( --[[User:CruelCow|CruelCow]] {{sta}} <sup>([[User_talk:CruelCow|talk]])</sup> 13:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Why isn't there a wiki "rules" section in the navigation bar on the left? ==
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| − | This place is missing a guide that lists things that you shouldn't do on this wiki, like deleting posts and whatnot. I find it odd that it isn't immediately searchable or findable in one FAQ page or similar. [[User:Nanosheep|(nanosheep_inc)]] 03:36, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :We have [[Help:Contents|Help]] in the navigation for that information. Personally, I think ''Rules'' implies users will be punished if they do not abide by our guidelines, however us staff and the guidelines are here to help new users get into the practises and procedures we abide by here - not punish those who make mistakes. However as you never made the connection that [[Help:Contents|Help]] would list our guidelines, I wouldn't be surprised if other contributors haven't made that connection either; so I think we would have to do something to make that clearer. -[[User:RJackson|<span class="burbg" style="margin-right:1px;text-shadow: #538237 1px 1px 0px;">RJ</span>]]{{Sta}} 17:51, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Yeah I think "Rules" is harsher than "Help" so it should stay the way it is. [[User:Misterslin|<font color="Purple">'''MR SLIN'''</font>]] 08:45, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Sandman Wall Glitch ==
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| − | I don't know if this has been posted before but i found this glitch ingame. While using the Sandman's baseball, run back and forth toward a wall while hitting the ball. Make sure to go straight and to keep the ball going in a straight line towards the wall. It might take awhile but it should eventually "disappear". To see what actual happens go to a glass wall and do it. What you'll see is that it goes straight through the wall and still hurts an enemy. --[[User:Delterz|Delterz]] 04:08, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :It's a known exploit, and documented [[Exploits#Terrain_exploits|here]]. ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|contrib]])</sup> 05:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Yeah, I've actually done it before myself. Maybe Valve will patch it, maybe they won't. [[User:PeacekeeperRen|~PeacekeeperRen]] 00:06, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :It's not really a significant issue so don't expect it to be fixed anytime soon. [[User:Misterslin|Misterslin]] 15:21, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ==Unofficial Community Content==
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| − | I've noticed that nearly all of the unofficial community content (Mods, maps, etc.) are stubs, marked for cleanup, ect.
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| − | Do we really need these? There is FPSbanana. That would clean up a LOT of the wiki. --[[User:Kurathedog|Kurathedog]] 21:53, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I think the general consensus is that we add pages for custom content if it is ''notable''. That is, for example, if a map has been adopted in comp play, is featured on a bunch of servers, etc. ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|contrib]])</sup> 21:54, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: Instead of asking to delete them, why not contribute to them instead? That would be most helpful.--<span style="color:purple">'''''Focusknock'''''</span> [[Help:Group rights|<span class="burbg">s</span>]] 21:57, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: I agree with lhavelund. Only notable content should be added to, anything irrelevant or not noteworthy should be marked for deletion. [[User:Cidem|Cidem]] 06:46, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::I too agree with IHavelund, there are so many maps that are not played or will ever have anything noteworthy to write about [[User:Z Overlord|Z Overlord]] 02:41, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::I also agree. I think we should only include Stock maps or maps that are so frequently played that they are worth noting. An example that comes to mind was cp_freight before they made it an official map. Something of that level.[[User:Misterslin|Misterslin]] 15:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Polycount Pin List? ==
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| − | Since we already have lists for community weapons and self-made items, I think we should make a Polycount Pin list, and possibly include the links to the Polycount threads for each submission. [[User:Wowza|Wowza]] 23:57, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Good idea (for what it's worth, Wowza has been helping me with some tables of content). We can also do [[Golden Wrench]] listings. ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> {{mod}} <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|contrib]])</sup> 23:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I agree, I like this idea myself. I think it would be interesting to see who has those items.[[User:PeacekeeperRen|~PeacekeeperRen]] 00:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :This is already available at [http://www.tf2items.com/lists/polycount/ Tf2 Backpack Examiner]. [[User:Lime Blue|~Lime Blue]] 2029, November 14th 2010.
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| − | :And? That's not the wiki. If any information is available anywhere beyond the wiki, does that mean it shouldn't be added to the wiki? [[User:FlotsamX|FlotsamX]] 01:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | sounds good I'd would forward the idea!--[[User:Round-the-clock|hj]] 23:45, 16 November 2010 (UTC) • ([[Special:Contributions/Round-the-clock|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | :Important: please remember to sign all your posts, using 4 tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> This adds your name and the time and date to the end of your post. -- [[User:En_Ex|En Ex]] <sub>([[User_talk:En_Ex|talk]])</sub> 21:45, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: Don't forget the Mapper's Medallion list too, when they are sent. [[User:Swordz|Swordz]] 21:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I've already started compiling a list that can be found [[User:Moussekateer/listpolycount|here]]. It's very rough at the moment. It's also a mountain of work, trying to cross reference the list of owners from the tf2items list and the Polycount forums entries. Some I've matched using the display pic, some I've had to google their portfolios, some I've had to contact, and some I still do not know what they were given one for. [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 01:34, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::I could definitely help with compiling the info. [[User:Wowza|Wowza]] 21:47, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: The list now exists for all your viewing pleasure :D [[Polycount_pin_list]] [[User:Scatmanjohn|Scatmanjohn]] 23:47, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::: As does the [[List of Golden Wrench owners]] now. [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 06:23, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == New facts. Seriously. ==
| + | I will update this thread soon 20:50, 24 November 2010 (UTC)20:50, 24 November 2010 (UTC)~~VeryRenwick.. |
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| − | I've been staring at the same facts for quite a while. Let's get some new facts, and a new featured article. ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> {{mod}} <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|contrib]])</sup> 14:31, 9 November 2010 (UTC) | |
| − | :I'm sort of new here, so I don't know this. Does this wiki have a monthly or weekly update for the facts or featured articles, or does it stay until changed by someone of higher power?[[User:PeacekeeperRen|~PeacekeeperRen]] 00:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::I think he may be referring to the "Featured Article" and the "Did you know?" sections on the main page. I agree someone should go in and change them on a regular basis. [[User:Misterslin|Misterslin]] 15:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I always thought that the admins were the ones who regularly rotated the facts in and out. Usually I just add a fact to the page (after checking that it hasn't been repeated) and let others take care of changing the front page ones out. --[[User:LordKelvin|LordKelvin]] 17:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|done}} Rotated the facts. I'm not sure if we have a proper rotation system in-place, i.e. every month or so. I'll start a discussion about it and I invite you guys to join in [[Template_talk:Did_you_know_main|here]]. -[[User:RJackson|<span style="background-color:#FF0000;color:white;font-size:0.7em;padding: 0 2px;">RJ</span>]]{{Sta}} 17:51, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Dunno where else to put this ==
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| − | On the left hand side, under the search tool, there are some links for Team Fortress Classic. Wouldn't it make more sense to link to [[Main Page (Classic)]] instead of team fortress classic wikia? [[User:Psychopath|Psychopath]] 23:04, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Agreed. I was thinking this very same thing last night while reviewing some TFC material. We should try to keep links to "in-house" material when the information is available - [[User:K-Mac|K-Mac]] 16:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Good point. -- [[User:En_Ex|En Ex]] <sub>([[User_talk:En_Ex|talk]])</sub> 16:27, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Do we need an Arabic section of the wiki? ==
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| − | "Languages supported officially by the game are supported here. There are a few exceptions, however: Czech and Portuguese (Brazil) are supported by the Steam Translation Server, however, do not yet have TF2 localization files. Arabic has neither, however, will remain supported."
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| − | If Arabic has neither Steam Translation Server support, or sound/text support in TF2, this means that:
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| − | *The amount of Arabic TF2 players who solely speak Arabic is very low, as Team Fortress 2 is geared towards the officially-supported languages.
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| − | *The amount of people who are able to translate the English wiki into Arabic are not easily found.
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| − | And as a result, the Arabic wiki is one of the wikis most desperately in need of content. It is missing basic '''essential''' articles, such as class pages and weapons.
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| − | In any other situation I would suggest finding more contributors, but in Arabic's case I wonder if it's worth it. Who would the Arabic wiki be made for, the one (yes, only one contributor) person who is actively translating it?
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| − | [[User:FlotsamX|FlotsamX]] 23:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : I really don't think it is worth keeping up an Arabic section of this website. However, if that person is willing to put the time into doing so then let him do it. Then again, he's probably just doing it to rack up edits and since nobody else here speaks Arabic there is nobody to verify whether or not he is writing legitimate things...[[User:Misterslin|Misterslin]] 15:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::{{c|Delete}} I don't want to sound like a jerk, but the facts are that we might not need it, we don't have the resources to put it together properly, and we have no way of ensuring quality info. Whether this lone user is making stuff up or legitimately contributing, all translators should have a working understanding of English. That means that even if we shut down the Arabic pages, he should still be able to contribute in a meaningful way. '''::'''[[User:Scurve|<font color="#D462FF">'''''Scurve'''''</font>]] [[File:User_scurve_monkey_sm.gif]]'''::''' 23:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I also dont think we need an Arabic wiki. <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User:Thespy|Thespy]] ([[User talk:Thespy|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Thespy|contribs]]) 19:59, 11 November 2010</small>
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| − | ::Please sign your comments with a series of four tildes. '''::'''[[User:Scurve|<font color="#D462FF">'''''Scurve'''''</font>]] [[File:User_scurve_monkey_sm.gif]]'''::''' 23:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::{{c|Keep}} Hello guys, I'm Alsoodani, the translator for the Arabic section. Traditionally, most game companies do not have official game translation for Arabic. The market for Arabic speaking countries is diverse. Many do not have access to offer official products from outside. Many of you are asking '''What is the point of having an Arabic section if no one uses it?''' On the contrary, there are many Arabic users on the internet who play Valve games including Team Fortress 2! I have visited my home country Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Morocco, the UAE, Syria, and Lebanon. They all have sparse, but growing gaming communities! As for what got me to do this: I am currently living in a dorm with Arabic exchange students helping them out and generally translating for them (I double major in Arabic and Nueroscience) who don't speak a lick of good English. What got me started on this project was that they happen to play Steam games as well (mainly Counter-Strike, but they do play TF2) and the amount of information available online for Arabic-speaking gamers is very, very limited (if you don't count broken Google Translations). As a wiki contributer and as a student working on his Arabic Major I feel it is my duty to help out. I repeat, '''This effort is not being wasted.'''
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| − | :: I feel that it is strange that I must defend a top spoken language in the world that is even spoken more than most of the supported languages over on the Team Fortress 2 wiki! I ask those that voted for removal to reconsider. I can understand a needed removal if it was some obscure language and that there are no users from that language, but this is not true. Simply put, Arabic translations are needed and their will be more translators past the infancy of this project. I feel it is my duty to inform those who are voting to remove the Arabic section on how this will affect the Arabic gaming community. [[User:Alsoodani|Alsoodani]] 00:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: {{c|agree}} I must agree with [[User:Alsoodani|Alsoodani]]. His effort seem genuine and I'd say there's a big overlap in Arabic people who play TF2 and doesn't understand very well English. — [[File:Item_icon_Bonk!_Atomic_Punch.png|link=http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/User:Neo_Player|25px]] [[User:Neo_Player|<span style="color: #FF6600; font-style: italic; font-weight: bold; text-shadow:orange 0px 0px 2px;">Neo_Player</span>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Neo_Player|<span style="background: #FFFF00; color: #FF0000; padding: 0 1px;">t</span>]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Neo_Player|<span style="background: #FF0000; color: #FFFF00; padding: 0 1px;">c</span>]])</sup> 00:18, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | {{c|info}}This discussion has moved to [[Team_Fortress_Wiki:Discussion#Do_we_need_an_Arabic_section_of_the_wiki.3F]]. -[[User:RJackson|<span style="background-color:#FF0000;color:white;font-size:0.7em;padding: 0 2px;">RJ</span>]]{{Sta}} 01:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Today I got some kills underwater (also 1 domination i think) and I heard the Engineer saying something that I can't find on the audio responses page. It was something like:
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| − | Is this real with every class?<small>-- [[User:Jem|Jem]] ([[User talk:Jem|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Jem|contribs]]) 20:28, 13 November 2010</small>
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| − | : What you describe is the Engineer's Domination line for the Sniper. [[Engineer responses#Dominating a Sniper|see here]]. It is not a secret or hidden audio response. --<span style="color:purple">'''''Focusknock'''''</span> [[Help:Group rights|<span class="burbg">s</span>]] 19:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: Ah, I couldn't find it because i was underwater, and it said 6 feet under. I thought it had something to with the water. Thanks.
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| − | [[User:Jem|Jem]] 20:08, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Now, I've already posted this same question on the Steam Forums and Steam Support and neither one has been any help so here goes.
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| − | Last week I went on an achievement server in team fortress 2 that I've never been on ("Achievement_Dr Cola" or something like that). Now, when Wednesday came and the item drops started to restart for everyone, I got two item drops on the morning of Thursday, and then I went on that achievement server again (because I thought it was pretty neat and I hadn't thought that that might be the cause of the item drop issues). Now it is Saturday and I haven't gotten a single item drop since Thursday!
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| − | Now Steam Support is telling me that I should wait it out but no items for weeks is pretty bad. So, I would like to know if any of you guys know of any alternative solution besides "wait it out."[[User:Hazmatt|Hazmatt]] 23:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : You just got exceptionally unlucky. Those two drops reached your drop cap. The fact that you were on an idle server does not mean you lose any items. --[[File:User Firestorm Flame.png]] [[User:Firestorm|<span style="text-shadow:orange 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}}</span> 03:31, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Agreed. This has happened to me several times (only about 5 drops a week). Best bet is to wait it out and if it does not improve in a few weeks try playing on "more popular" servers. If the idle server loses connection to steam master servers(and you don't notice), you may not be receiving your drops due to that, but that is kind of a stretch. Hope that helps [[User:K-Mac|K-Mac]] 06:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Why is this Main Page discussion material? -- [[User:En_Ex|En Ex]] <sub>([[User_talk:En_Ex|talk]])</sub> 06:28, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Happens to me more often than not. I've only found one item this week. Some weeks are better than others I guess, but I normally just wait it out. [[User:Mr.JimmyBojangles|Mr.JimmyBojangles]] 02:32, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I'm in the process of expanding the danish part of this wiki, but I can't seem to find edit for Wiki main page eng to put a link to the danish main.
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| − | in the ingame encyclopedie it says "community comments". and if you click you will be linked to the tf2 wiki page of that object. but there are no comments! should i make a part where tf2 users can post their comments on the pages? if they like or something. or what is bugged. just what they think, without removel. [[User:Jem|Jem]] 08:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Oh lol, there is "Page talk" button [[User:DrAkcel|DrAkcel]] 08:37, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::This is a terrible idea. Imagine the Natascha page... I don't know why Valve called it 'community comments' but I assume they just meant the wiki article on it. [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 08:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Finally finished my draft of [[Mechanics]]. It covers many topics related to gameplay and customization, meant to bridge a number of topics that one would want to know in order to understand and make full use of TF2. You can see the original discussion for it [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1#The Main Topics|here]]. Right now, the plan is to replace the [[Game modes]] link on the Main page, and in the process give some more room to topics found in [[:Category:Gameplay]] and [[:Category:Customization]] that players don't know much about, though with some reworking I could see [[Patches]] or [[Miscellaneous items]] being moved or merged to other places on the Main page and giving their space instead. Right now some of my main thoughts are...
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| − | * Making sure people are still receptive to the concept of the article and putting it on the Main page
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| − | * Getting the article a better first image
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| − | * Finalizing where exactly the article will be linked
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| − | * Getting people to review the article thoroughly to solidify writing and scope
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| − | I'm happy to hear questions, suggestions, and comments. :) Feel free to edit the article as you see appropriate. '''~[[User:G-Mang|G-Mang]]'''<small> ([[User talk:G-Mang|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/G-Mang|C]])</small> [[Help:Group rights|<span class="burbg">s</span>]] 21:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Very Nice. I found it to be quite helpful. Good work! [[User:Mr.JimmyBojangles|Mr.JimmyBojangles]] 09:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I created a Poker Night Wiki for all the Poker night relate stuff to go to. It's still under construction so any help is aprecciated [http://theinventory.wikia.com/wiki/Poker_Night_at_the_Inventory_Wiki] [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 11:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Hi Im kidna of a new memeber i just joined last night.My friend was all like "go onto the Tf2 wiki its sick as!!".I tried it and now im on.Im kinda fast and im a real ametur at writing this but leave a comment or whatever on tips that you use on how to be fast.
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