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Auction?

Whats the deal with the wiki auction a couple weeks back? Did you guys just sell out to the guy who bought the domain, and found this new offical wiki? [1]

Same question as above. This is seriously disturbing. While the people taking part in auction were given analytics and other information, they were not informed that the sale was also because of any potential deals made with Valve to create an official wiki. Even though they were provided with a reason for the sale, the seller knew of information that was crucial to the future of the asset in question (tf2wiki.net) and based his actions off of this information, to profit. In places such as the stock market, this is considered insider trading and is illegal. Someone please tell us whether there is something we're missing here. If the original owner really just sold the old domain and site without telling the buyer, he just conned someone out of 70K that the buyer thought they would earn back over time; with the buyer thinking the seller was selling "to buy a new house". Disregarding the legal ramifications of this, it is seriously ethically and morally disturbing. Someone please talk to the original owner and find out what's going on. Zedadex 11:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

You are missing nothing. That's exactly what's occured. We told the original owner, he demanded over $90k from Valve. We all thought this was unreasonable and thus, because all wiki information is public, we transferred the articles over. This was at least more than one month ago and as such, we assume he's attempting to rake his money back and leave the new owner to loose it all. Pilk has reported this to the auction site and as such we are waiting for a reply. -- Smashman... _{(t • s)} 11:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Making another language page?

Please! I need a Dummie's Guide about how to make another language page for an existing article. I've never really edited something like that, or started from scratch, so If someone could provide a step-by-step guide on how to do this, it would be much apreciated. Thanks!

Old TF2Wiki...

Reading on the steam forums En Ex kindly informed me that the new owner of TF2Wiki.net has absolutely nothing to do with this official wiki. Now, that would mean the TF2Wiki has not moved at all (as stated by the page this discussion is regarding). If it was moved, then that would mean either the old or new owner made arrangements with Valve to transfer all the data across, which evidently is not the case as if so the old owner would have had to sell the website with it's Valve-sponsored hosting; and if the new owner, well he'd have something to do with the Wiki - and wouldn't be making any money (lack of ads).

I understand that the old administration is here, as is all of the content (content being in wiki format is of course in public domain), but due to my reasoning above the Wiki has not moved. It has been recreated / replaced. May I request that the page of which this discussion is regarding is re-written to make it clear that the wiki has not been moved.

The wording of this announcement is what made me think Valve bought the old Wiki, which is clearly false and had me share my false intelligence with others.

RJackson 06:56, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

From what I know, the wiki was copied, and the owner wanted (or still wants?) to sell the tf2wiki.net domain. See this. WindPower 07:02, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Please stop worrying about this. -- En Ex 09:47, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Or, just wait till later on. I might have a better answer when I wake up. -- En Ex 09:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I'm still awake. Go figure. Ok. TF2Wiki HAS moved, as per this line: "Valve is now generously hosting the content and the site." We've moved to their server space. This site and the old Wiki are separate entities. The old owner had nothing to do with the transfer of this site's contents to Valve's servers. The old owner sold the old Wiki without informing the buyers of the status of the official Wiki. As Pilk said in the SPUF thread, that particular matter is closed. I hope this helps, though I can see how that line might be misconstrued. -- En Ex 10:38, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

AND I revised the line. Hope that makes things clearer. And sorry if I came off as cranky; it's been a hectic day. -- En Ex 10:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Contribution credit

Noes, we lost all our contributions! Oh well, I like the move either way. Faster and no ads. Nice move, Valve! --Jojje 09:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

You forgot me

Heh i told you i stopped editing because of the pop ups, let it officially be known that i am back. THANK YOU VALVE best thig ever, i even had to create a new account :( --Markd 09:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back. -- En Ex 09:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Absolute music to my ears, good to be back i do most of my editing while at work so pop ups and bright flashing ads are NOT helpfull. Ive got some suggestions to put forward ill find the right page and post away--Markd 10:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Watching pages (my watchlist)

Like a few of us i watch(ed) the recent changes list mainly to stop the link spammers a situation i expect to improve at our new host, however i think it would be a good idea for those of us that are willing to agree to watch certain class pages on a permamanet basis as i am sure a few of us were watching the same pages a more defined split makes more sense.

Im thinking of the base class pages for example. I am allready watching the main solly and heavy pages but am willing to watch a few more if we think this is the way to go. --Markd 10:07, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I've been considering this. I told Hackett that he's the Strategy mod, so I guess we could split the entire wiki up. -- Smashman... _{(t • s)} 10:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Greetings from the now former owner of TF2wiki.net

Hi all, I'm the former owner of TF2wiki.net.

Personally I bought the site about a year ago from Nos and I’ve invested over $10k into it.

My intention from the beginning was to take care of the technical side of the wiki and make sure everything runs smoothly and I think I did a pretty good job. There was no downtime and also the site loaded pretty fast according to Alertra and Pingdom. The traffic on the site is just immense. Best day was over 70,000 unique visitors so there's plenty of things to take care of. I also took care of adding all the new features that users requested.

First I would like to stress that I had no knowledge about this new wiki really being under development when I sold the site. I heard the news yesterday just like most of you. So this was all done behind my back. I think it was three or four weeks ago when Smashman contacted me and told me that Valve might be intressed to buy TF2wiki.net. I told him what kind of amount I would be looking for it and he promised to talk to Valve and get back to me. I never heard from Valve or Smashman again so I thought this idea was abandoned. I got the impression that Valve would have been intressed to pay maybe a few thousand dollars and my demand was in tens of thousands. Smashman said that Valve would probably see my request as unreasonable but he promised to take it forward and get back to me. I’ve had several $xx,xxx offers in the past for the site so of course I wouldn’t be selling it for a few thousand.

Site was for sale on Flippa but wasn't sold to the winner of the auction. He just vanished which happens quite often on Flippa and probably also on other internet marketplaces. As far as I know him vanishing had nothing to do with this new wiki. It was sold to one of the other bidders for considerably less than the winning bid.

About those ads on the site.. I did get a huge amount of email from visitors of TF2wiki.net. There's a contact link on every page of the site. During my ownership I did get only one complaint and it was about in-text adverts from Infolinks which I then removed. When I was running the site there was only one skyscraper ad on the left, one ad on the top of the page and one pop-under which should appear only once in 24 hours. I don’t think that’s a huge amount of ads when compared to many other sites. For example I made the decision NOT to integrate Google Adsense ads into the content like most of the other sites do because I thought they would mislead people. Running websites isn’t free. I run websites for a living and if I don’t make money from them there’s no bread on my table. Also if I wouldn’t have bought the site from Nos and paid thousands of dollars for it and then invested more money into servers and upkeep there’s a good chance that the site would have been abandoned a year ago and there wouldn’t be an active TF2wiki anymore.

TF2wiki.net gets a huge amount of type-in traffic. It's at the top of Google rankings for almost every TF2 related keyword you can think off. Whether you want it or not, it will remain as the number 1 place for an average TF2 player to get information about the game. So basicly we're in a situation where the most seasoned admins are running this new wiki but tf2wiki.net will remain as the most popular TF2 wiki for a long time for the average players.

One thing I really hope is that nobody tries to sabotage TF2wiki.net. I really like the game but this is also my job and my living and I think the same goes for the new owner also. He’s a good and honest person and he this is already enough problems for him.

I hope this clears some issues. There's been all kind of rumours about all this and many accusations have been made which are simply untrue.

It's sad to see things turned out this way. This will be a huge loss for the entire TF2 community. --HarriL 13:37, 1 July 2010 (UTC)