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-- WelcomeBOT (talk) 23:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Heavy responses and missing Soldier line

Hi there,

It is not necessary to note missing lines, nor is it necessary to say "teammates killed (except for Soldier)". It is very obvious that if a Soldier is killed, it would not play the line "Medic is dead" or the line for any other class.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 15:51, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Subclasses

Hi there,

The community's perception of what "subclass" is is wrong most of the time. A subclass, like the name suggests, is a way of playing a class that is distinct from the original class and could become its own class. The Demoknight is the only subclass in the game, because it has weapon variety, has multiple weapons for multiple slots, and plays wildly different from the base class (Demoman). What the community thinks of as subclasses are in reality playstyles. This leaves only your melee equippable, thus creating the subclass.

Some very commonly confused ones are:

• Trolldier
  • A Trolldier is essentially just a Soldier that uses the Market Gardener. It uses rocket jumping (a built-in mechanic for the Soldier) and any secondary, this is simply dedicating yourself to a single weapon. If this is a subclass, then purely using the Frying Pan or purely using the Revolver (foreshadowing) would also qualify as a subclass.
• Battle Engi
  • A Battle Engi does not change any of the core mechanics of the Engineer. He still constructs buildings and uses his shotgun and pistol.
• Huntsman Sniper
  • This is just using the Huntsman, the core mechanic of headshots is still present and outside of that you move around the map more (compared to a traditional Sniper).
• Gunspy
  • This one is a playstyle that's using a weapon people commonly ignore, most Gunspies still actively use their melee but just choose to use their secondary more often.
• Battle Medic
  • This is one is really just putting less of a focus on your secondary and more on your primary. It's different from how people regularly play Medic, but it's also just mainly using one weapon over another (same example as Gunspy). If you exclusively use your primary, it's just ignoring the main purpose of the class and not being a subclass.

These are the most common ones I can think of, but one thing that all of these share in common is that none of them deviate from the core gameplay of the base class (or at least keep several core mechanics in place), none of them have multiple weapons specifically made for it, and for the ones that do have multiple weapons (e.g. Gunspy) it's usually only in one slot. While playstyles like the Battle Engi do have multiple weapons that are usable for it (Shotgun, Panic Attack, Widowmaker) they are very much usable in a regular loadout too. While the Demoknight weapons can all be used separately, several of them work with each other. The Ali Baba Wee Booties and Bootlegger both give benefits when equipped together with a shield (leaving only the melee weapon), the Demoman shields give specific Crit bonuses to melee weapons, the Tide Turner specifically gives back extra charge on melee kill, the Eyelander and its reskins increase the shield bash damage, the Claidheamh Mòr increases the shield charge duration and gives 25% of your charge back per kill, and the Persian Persuader is specifically created to ditch your primary/secondary weapons for boots and a shield. On top of all of this, the switch speed changes on all swords is completely negated when using a boots and a shield and there is an unused feature where the melee range of a Demoman is increased during a charge.

The combination of all of this clearly shows why a Demoknight is a true subclass, whereas the others are members of the community incorrectly using the word.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 20:58, 28 November 2024 (UTC)