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Well, another problem...

Hi, Seb. I have another thing that need your help. Yesterday the zh-hant Wiki had a new guy called Lockon, however he has brought a lot of trouble. First, he changed the names of items without any permission, notice or discussion. Then he ignored and deleted my waring about changing the names. He claimed that his act was trying to "make his talk page looks better". Actually, what he said was totally rubbish. The last one, which is the most unacceptable one, is that he translated the pages (A)Symmetry CP Contest/zh-hant‎ and Dustbowl (Training)/zh-hant‎ with the use of automated translation tool. I can easily confirm that, and my partner jcmbmhitacid can prove the point for me. Lockon used the translation tools, made the whole format of pages a mess, did not use the "show preview" button, and of course, ignore others' warning and trying to pretend that everything was normal. Therefore I strongly insist that Seb should block user Lockon from further editing permanently, or he shall make more trouble and inconvenience for the editors in the zh-hant Wiki.
Thanks for your understanding and help, but be careful with Lockon's behavior, due to his own consideration of having no problems at all.

18:49, 11 February 2012 (PST)

RE: I see that, thanks for your assist :). 19:26, 11 February 2012 (PST)

• ~www~, i had taken your advise for not using any translation tools from yesterday, and today i added some missing photos which should have been thereMerc_Medal/zh-hant. Also i did a page without any translation tools which is the Aerial/zh-hant so i hope you please consider i have taken your complains and improved it thank you.

Lockon 09:03, 14 February 2012 (PST) Lockon

You called that translating? You copied Aerial/zh-hant from zh-hans! 09:26, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Chinese Simplify and Chinese Traditional is the same pal , its just different writing, one is easier to write and also its not all the same, also check it agian some items or classes like is changed by me zh-hans: Soldier = 士兵 and zh-hant: Soldier 火箭兵

Lockon 09:53, 14 February 2012 (PST)Lockon

Further problems

1.Lockon keeps on doing unnecessary edits to zh-hant. For example, He was doing pointless changes to zh-hant pages, copied the article from zh-hans and made it as a contribution, or kept placing {{subst:welcome}} to anyone who are new to wiki, even though he himself are a new guy, I don't even know if there's a real account where he put {{subst:welcome}}. Frankly, I suggest blocking him, quickly, or he will do more things that he claims "contribution to wiki".

2.Same problem, different day, User Bestipod was coping the zh-hant pages (5 pages for now) and converted it into zh-hans. Could need your help to delete the pages.

3.Actually, after being copied for many many times, I am angry, tired, exhausted of their acts. I don't think I can take it anymore. I really wish there's a solution of stopping these acts forever.
Really apperciate your help, Seb. 08:51, 14 February 2012 (PST)

I'd like to ask a related question - setting aside the fact that zh-hant is not the same as zh-hans, is there actually any rule against copying the content of a page? As far as I'm concerned, any information posted on the wiki is free for public use so can be copied anywhere - excepting of course images and such which have licenses attached. From what I can tell the issue with Bestipod is not that he made bad translations, but that his source material was ~www~'s work. » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 09:59, 14 February 2012 (PST)

There are no rules/laws against copying wiki work. This is why some content could be migrated from the old Wiki here and why the fact that some of the pages here are copied directly over there are not punishable. -- Firestorm 10:04, 14 February 2012 (PST)

So you guys are saying that it's OK to let zh-hans coping our works without any efforts of translating the pages from scratch? 10:06, 14 February 2012 (PST)

I never said that. In the case of these translations, it is NOT ok. The problem is not in the copying of another's work, but in the usage of the incorrect language on an article. I am simply clarifying where the issue is. -- Firestorm 10:08, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Understand you meaning. However Firestorm, you should know that the coping done by zh-hans translators is always a trouble to all zh-hant translators. 10:17, 14 February 2012 (PST)

我是冤枉的

1 我是一个TF2的爱好者，我使用简体汉语。 2 我们只是文字上的不同，在使用上简体汉字和繁体汉字几乎没有差别。  3 我希望您公正的看待这一问题，WIKI是一个贡献社区，我并没有抄袭任何人的。 4 我希望管理员您能继续让我为TF2 WIKI做贡献。

To Bestipod & Lockon

I can firmly say that zh-hant and zh-hans are totally different. I am tired to argue this old issue, I say that we leave the judgment to the top admins. 10:01, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Ok, your still the old member around here you can decide

Lockon 10:16, 14 February 2012 (PST)Lockon

i am do my work very hard ,because they aretotally different, Bestipod

I have posted a topic at Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion#zh translation relating to this. seb26 12:25, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Thx for the solution of the chinese wiki Lockon 12:41, 14 February 2012 (PST)Lockon

The future of zh-hant

Seb, it's ~www~. After a few days of thinking, I think I need to discuss something critical about zh-hant with you on Steam privately. I don't know when can I reach you, so I guess that Saturday or Sunday night will be fine? 07:39, 17 February 2012 (PST)