Talk:Mann Co. Supply Crate

Votes for new quote

I think that this one is a bit funnier.

“

Each and every one of you will be sent home to your momma in a box! Click to listen — The Soldier

”

[] /shadow/sShaD'OhsS 05:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Votes:

No. This is already used on the Black Box page. The wiki just seems vain if it uses the same quotes over and over again.--Focusknock 08:41, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

 No I agree with Focusknock. That quote is already being used for the Black Box, and frankly it is better suited to that page. Also, "Hippo-crates" never gets old! -- Alex2539 08:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it bugs me. We need a different quote, the current one makes me feel like we just don't have anything better. ~ lhavelund ^{(talk ▪ contrib)} 23:52, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

 Yes I agree with lund. There are lots of other unused quotes that would be better suited. FlotsamX 01:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

 Neutral For this idea, though I have no idea if it's been used, I would suggest *"Another satisfied customer!"" from the Engineer. :) --Fragment of Nothing 19:05, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I like the Engie quote much more. The Scout quote was bugging me because it was like we don't know who Hippocrates is. Fate Soul Blake 20:30, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I think the Engie quote is already used in the Trading article. But we do need a new one. User:Ohyeahcrucz/Sig2 20:32, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh yeah you're right. Well then. Looks like I'll need to search for a new one then! Fate Soul Blake 20:59, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Description

You need a Mann Co. Supply Crate Key to open this. You can pick one up at the Mann Co. Store.

"This crate contains one of the items listed in its description. To unlock the crate and retrieve the item, you must use a Mann Co. Supply Crate Key, which can be purchased inside the Mann Co. Store. These crates contain one of the rarest and most valuable items in the game, so cross your fingers before you unlock them!" Mann Co. Catalog

How is it obtained?

Is it found through drops?--Jordan 10:59, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes I just got one dropped. Now I just need a key... Dzjudz 15:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The crates drop randomly, the keys to open them are purchase-only. -RJ 15:50, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

How is it randomized?

Does each item have the same chance of being uncrated, or is there a weighted system?--Gatherto

Maybe we should put a percentage table on the page so people can post what they got?--Corrderio

I collected some data from SPUF based on that

From what we got so far(114 samples) there is

38.59% chance of getting an old weapon

21.05% chance of getting a hat

20.17% chance of getting a paint can

9.64 % chance of getting a name tag

7.89 % chance of getting a polycount weapon

2.63 % chance of getting an unusual hat --Banished one 10:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not so sure that the data should be on the page just yet. It's still new, can we confirm those observations? --Fragment of Nothing 10:10, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I currently have a thread on the Steam forums [1] where I'm tallying up what people have opened so far. Currently, a total of 326 crates. I just hope it helps with the statistics. --Toahpt 17:07 7 October 2010 (EST) As of 22:41, 7 October, There's a total of 687 crates tallied on my thread. I'm sure the number will continue to grow. --Toahpt

No, but the page does say "It may contain content that is inaccurate or undocumented" at the top. I thought we should have some numbers to give people a vague idea about what to expect from a crate.--Banished one 10:22, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Out of the eight I have opened, 2 gunslingers, 2 scottish resistance, 2 black paint, 1 white paint, 1 old guadalajero. Hope that helps at all.Rhonlore 01:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

What does it drop like?

Does it have the same drop rate as an item, a hat, or its own drop rate?--Gatherto

i'm not sure if it has it's own drop rate but certainly it's not as rare as a hat.--Banished one 10:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm led to believe that the drop rate is similar if not the same as weapons...  – Smashman _(talk) 11:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

From my experience one usually drops for each player every week. So it's not as rare as a hat but it doesn't drop as often as weapons. The timer is somewhere in between the two. Moussekateer 15:38, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I think the crates have their own drop "schedule" separate from standard items, as I've gotten double-drops with an item + a crate before in the middle of gameplay, and I got a crate about 2 minutes after getting an item once. I've also gotten crates completely by themselves with no items shortly before or after. They're slightly less frequent than item drops, but still fairly common. My experience has been ~1 crate for every 6 to 10 items, or 1 or 2 crates per week. Will-T 21:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I've also noticed this. I've seen double drops with Crates, Name Tags and Description Tags. I would hazard a guess that there are two drop timers. One for weapons/hats, one for tools. Maybe the hats are separate too? I think this discussion should move over to the Item Drop System page. I'll start discussion there on this topic. Iloverice 23:55, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Drop rate table

Would it be possible to have in this section of the talk page a freely editable drop rate table based on what users get in the crate? For example, this is the data I have so far:

Item Given	Number of Times	Odds*
Vita-Saw	46	8.7%
Gunslinger	63	12.6%
Equalizer	57	10%
Scottish Resistance	57	11%
Old Guadalajara	57	10.94%
Napper's Respite	58	10.2%
Name Tag	65	12.6%
An Extraordinary Abundance of Tinge	58	11.3%
A Distinctive Lack of Hue	53	10.2%
Exceedingly Rare Special Item!	10	1.92%
	468

* Odds accurate as of 11:56PM UTC October 7.

Sorry for making possibly the world's worst looking table but I wanted to make sure to post this so I didn't forget. Binerexis 22:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Good idea! Added my Napper's Respite.  – Smashman _(talk) 22:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Will suffer horribly from sampling error. Just saying. -The Neotank ( | Talk) 23:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I can add a bit more anecdotal data, if that'll help: 2 Vita-Saw, 3 Scottish Resistance, 1 Gunslinger, 4 Napper's Respite, 2 Old Guadalajara, 2 Name Tag, 2 Distinct Lack of Hue. RukiTanuki 06:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

If someone could add a 'total' row and work out the percentage drop rate for the data collected so far (maybe make the table look better while they're at it) then I would be very, very grateful. Would do it myself but just sneaking a peak at work. Binerexis 12:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Jeez Bin, you should work on your Wiki ninja editing skills more :P

Added my black paint. I'll open my other crate later and improve the table in a bit. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 13:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Added data for 67 unboxings that have occurred on my servers since saturday, 67 unboxed out of a total of 271 dropped (8% of drops, the highest amount out of any item).--Geit 22:27, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

added my white paint drop RiVenoX 02:23, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Old Guadalajara in my second crate, added odds for the moment. Probably don't need to update them every time you add something, maybe every 20 or so added, recalculate. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 04:00, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Just got a vita- saw, didn't fix up the odds yet, just changed the vitasaw and total count

Added the items I've got from my 3 crates so far: Scottish Resistance, Scottish Resistance, Old Guadalajara--KefkaticFanatic 01:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Added the items I got last night. 2 Scottish Resistance. (rage) -- ShunyValdez 02:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Added an Equaliser an unlucky friend of mine got and re-did the odds. Binerexis 11:56, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I've added 29 items opened by someone I saw at reddit. The video proof and link is here. -- ShunyValdez 08:16, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

New data added from http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1483294 --Firestorm 01:32, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Are these statistics taken from my thread on the Steam forums? [2] --Toahpt

I don't think they were until Firestorm may have added them though. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 02:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I've put together a Google Docs Spreadsheet based on the data in Toahpt's Steam forums thread. You can find it here: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Al0wGfkwkDDydHB2RzI0TXh3QTI1SXY0Y0Q3R0hWRVE&hl=en&authkey=CMj2p8QE It includes a breakdown by the item as well as their respective type. Comments and suggestions are welcome here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1496714 Schmoe 21:45, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

That's a pretty good idea actually. It'd be a good idea to maybe start adding more alternate sources other than SPUF and YouTube to that sheet, although I'm not sure if we can use data on this page unless it's sanitized, given that I think data already from the SPUF thread has been added. Nonetheless, I'll see what I can dig up and add the data when I get the chance. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 04:20, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I try to verify unusual drops based on the SPUF poster's steam community page and tf2items.com. If I can't verify the item I will either add the drop to the Data tab with a comment or ignore the poster if the odds of dropping the item are out of line with what the statistics show. So far I haven't seen a lot of trolling. Schmoe 15:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

We can also add another set of worksheets to the spreadsheet that would only include youtube sources, however I think the dataset would be a lot smaller though 100% verifiable. So far my spreadsheet doesn't fall far off mark, but it would be interesting to compare them. Schmoe 16:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I still continue to add more to my OP of the thread. I don't have as many sample crates of series 1 as the spreadsheet, but I have more samples of 3, 4, and 5. Just thought I should let everyone know. http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1483294 --Toahpt

Added new rows from crate series 2 and data from the past couple of days on my servers--23:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

If this drop table is added to the main page, I believe it should be simplified to Weapons, Hats, Tools, and Unusual Hats. Just a thought, though. --Toahpt

With the addition of the Series 2 crate, the table should be changed to reflect that if we assume that the drop rate is the same in every crate (which seems to be a fairly safe solution). The alternative would be to have a Series 1 table and a Series 2 table. The data from both of them (as in specific items) should NOT be on the same table as the percent chances will not be reflective of individual crates but rather if all items available had a chance of coming from every crate dropped. Binerexis 13:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

The new drop rate table only takes into account server logs? What methodology did you use to separate rare Series 1 and Series 2 drops? All in all it falls in line with the stats collected by the steam forum pages, but I think it assumes that rare drops are equally likely to occur in either series. Actually it looks like the SPUF posters must have overstated their Series 2 hat drops which falls in line with my expectations of human behavior. For example a user that opened 5 crates could have reported only one of the crates which the user was proud of. Same goes for rare items which is why I added another column for verified drops. Maybe I should extend it to more than just rare drops. Schmoe 16:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I dug up Luigi30's SPUF post regarding this data. He was unable to account for how rare items dropped according to series. Could be minor, but it makes a large assumption. I've added a note regarding rare items to the drop rate table section. http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17708725&postcount=866

I have no way to determine which series crate a rare item dropped from within the TF2 framework. I've emailed Robin about this but haven't gotten a response. :( LuigiThirty 02:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Also added a note regarding the assumption that crates drop uniformly across all series. In other words are series #1 dropping less often than #2? Does the server logs account for this? Schmoe 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Series 1 crates are more a little more common in my log than series 2 since they were introduced (it's a 54/46 split), but that could be accounted for by them existing 6 days prior to the introduction of Series 2. An equal chance for each one is likely. LuigiThirty 02:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Does series 1 still drop?

Does series 1 still drop? -Ravedave 01:53, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I just found one, but it seemed like it just hadn't propagated into my backpack correctly until I did a trade. Can somebody else confirm? --Qpingu 00:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Series 1 still drops. Not sure if this is a bug or if it is intentional. --Qpingu 00:27, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I have received series 1 crate today via the drop systemNooch 04:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Series 1 Crate

I received both crates 4 and 5. I'm guessing someone messed up the wiki.

Uncrate/Unbox

Whenever I open a crate and then return to the game, the chat reads 'has unboxed', not 'has uncrated' as stated on this page. Is uncrated even a word?--Focusknock 08:42, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

It should be "unboxed", uncrated is probably a mistranslation. --Banished one 19:36, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

The yellow text in the introduction is very ugly to read on a white background. Apparently the Font Color template doesn't work on the TF2 wiki. (at least, according to it failing on me) -- AileTheAlien 21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Crate drops use a different distribution system

"Dropped crates do not count as part of the weekly drop cap, but are instead part of a different distribution system." Is there a source or reasoning for this?--Mechlord 00:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

-I believe there was an email from Robin regarding this, in which he stated it was on a different drop system, so those who rely on drops for items weren't left in the cold. Zombie James 16:37, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I would love to see a link to this email. It'll be informative and a good addition to the wiki. ShunyValdez 02:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Poking through the history, this was removed as "unsourced" by editor Binerexis on October 12, 2010. So yes, it would be nice if this could be confirmed, but as is, the article doesn't mention it at all. --Itsatrap 19:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Only took me about an hour of searching, but I found the thread and the e-mail in question. -- Comrade Mike 23:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I've added the reference to the Item Drop System article. ShunyValdez 05:30, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't this seem a bit odd?

It seems a bit odd that in Series #1, the two hats are the most commonly gained items, when hats are normally rare via the drop system... AbeX300 04:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Based on the data in the table above, it does seem that the new hats drop at a fair rate but the data isn't from the entire population of TF2 or even from a representative sample, it's just from people who have very kindly submitted their data. The more people we can get to submit data, the better. Binerexis 13:13, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, you also have less chance to get semi-rare items like paint cans or the name tag. I think these values are just the result of Valve's first attempt with crates. Ercho 15:13, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Crates can drop crates?

See SPUF thread. The only report I've come across. Any confirmation?-RJ 12:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

No crate has ever dropped a crate on my server. LuigiThirty 01:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

No proof and no updates in a while (or new threads with the same).Seems it's only a rumor. Ercho 15:10, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Series 2 Drop Table

Item Given	Number of Times	Odds*
L'Etranger	2	7.69%
The Black Box	3	11.54%
The ShortStop	3	11.54%
The Black Box	3	11.54%
Pugilist Protector	1	3.84%
Chieftain's Challenge	1	3.84%
Australium Gold	4	15.38%
A Deep Commitment to Purple	6	23.08%
Dueling Mini-Game	3	11.54%
	26

Please edit this table for any Crate Series 2 results you get. If it turns out that the odds in this table are similar to that in the Series 1 crates then we'll merge the data together to get percent chances of Weapon, Hat, Paint, Action Item and Unusual Hat. Binerexis 13:26, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Series 3

Have there been any yet? Scatmanjohn 14:21, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

No --Firestorm 14:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

You need me to open one and see what I get? :) Über Spycrab 23:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Even if no one asked, I opened a #4 and got a whoopee cap. Add that to your chart on the page if you like. Über Spycrab 19:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I opened one and got a Bombing Run, just to let you know.

Drop rates and their factuality...

I really don't think we should rely on community feedback for the drop rates of items in crates. I just think a) the sample sizes are way too small to run a proper statistical analysis on, and b) it's too easily manipulated. I'd like to have a discussion on it, but my proposal is to disregard these unofficial statistics completely, as wiki editors. ~ lhavelund ^{(t ▪ c)} 03:31, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I added stats based on logs directly from my server (with a 5000+ crate sample size) and plugged them instead. The numbers look a lot more consistent now. LuigiThirty 01:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Steam users crate reports

I've been comparing the data collected in the Steampowered thread compared to my server's logs and I've noticed that in the series 1 crates, the Vita-Saw seems to be underrepresented while Old Guadalajara and Napper's Respite seem to be overrepresented. This may be a consequence of people not wanting to say they got a Vita-Saw but bragging that they got hats. LuigiThirty 04:19, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I thought exactly that. Somewhat similar with the Unusual reports too. The initial numbers were at 2.5% for the series 1 and 1.5% for the Series 2. I have to say I think trading server statistics seem somewhat reliable for the purposes of estimating drop rate. Lemon 00:28, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Series 3,4,5 crate statistics

Their sample size is extremely small, to the point where they're statistically unsound and useless. I'm going to remove them until User:LuigiThirty, or anyone else, has more reliable data. Moussekateer 17:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I have slightly reliable data at the moment. Most people tell me that the samples aren't accurate because people only tell me what they got if it was bad or if it was good. Considering people do both, I'd say it's fairly accurate. --Toahpt

Will there be actual statistics of these crates in the near future? M-NINJA 11:52, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

The numbers are hard to derive because of items duplicated between crate series, but a reasonable estimate can be gotten with what's available. I'll have something up tomorrow. LuigiThirty 08:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Added. LuigiThirty 20:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Multiple crate series for a single crate?

Over on TF2Items.net it will sometimes list a crate in someone's backpack as being from 2 "series," with "Crate series #X" on one line and "Crate Series #Y" on a second line below that. So it could say "Crate Series #5, Crate Series #1." Usually both lines will be the same number, but still, I've seen a significant number of crates with two different numbers on them. What does this mean? Is it just a glitch with TF2Items.net? I know that crates are never listed as being from more than 1 series in-game. Will-T 19:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Timing bug

When I was opening a series 2 crate I got disconected from the server and the countdown whent up to 500! anyone else has had the same problem? Just curious --Warudragon 22:13, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Unusual drop rate

So I've gotten around to calculating the actual unusual unboxing rate universally and it's 0.7042%, but I can't split that up into crate series since I don't know what crates had what inside, just that those items appeared. I do know that the rate has held constant since I started tracking the data on October 14. I'm not sure how to add this in there. LuigiThirty 08:27, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

How big was the sample? I guessed it would be 1%... Moussekateer 08:28, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

7687 crates, 54 of which contained unusuals. LuigiThirty 18:58, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Template Update

Is the template Template:Update really still necessary? By now crates have been pretty well known. Granted, the drop rates themselves are still not certain, but they'll probably never be. --CruelCow ^(talk) 23:01, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Percentage

I think we should remove "%" in the table cells because the headers already indicate the unit between brackets (Drop rate (%), Estimated drop rate (%)) and it overloads the page. --Giraf 11:50, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Agreed & done. --CruelCow ^(talk) 23:45, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Looks like someone didn't agree... Schmoe 13:47, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Apparently so... I completely agree with this idea though, as it's standard formatting for spreadsheets to have the unit (in this case %) in the column header, so that the symbol doesn't need to be repeated. Ninjaa003 09:42, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

December 10th Update

Any news on what the new crates contain? Also, hate to be the speculator here, but I have the feeling that at least series 3 and 4 have been retired. Of course, no proof yet, so don't get edit-happy. Sage J. Fox 02:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

What the crates contain is up. Now just to determine the percentages. Ssssssmokin 03:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I've had barely 50 of each series opened so far, not enough to get any meaningful data. LuigiThirty 17:55, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I've updated the Festive Winter Crate drop rates and removed Prancer's Price as it doesn't appear to be a normal drop. It's possible that it's counted as rare item. Schmoe 13:49, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Collapsible Tables

Series 1 is buggy collapsed. Also any way to make active series already open? And inactive ofc, closed? - Devozade 23:13, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

They should be fixed now thanks to Windpower. —Moussekateer·talk 23:47, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Looks like when the header text wraps, the table will not show all the items after being re-expanded. This is reproducible in Chrome.Schmoe 13:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Well it was reproducing... but it doesn't appear to be an issue now. Schmoe 13:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

When Crate Item is determined

Ok, I was wondering when the item inside a crate was determined (after giving away a crate that yielded an unusual) so I emailed Robin Walker. He explained to me that the item inside a crate is actually determined when you open the crate, so it wouldn't contain anything until you apply a key to it, then the game rolls the dice. Those aren't his exact words, but I have uploaded an image of the email here. http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/File:Robin_Crate_Answer.jpg --Palehorse864 11:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

This is unsurprising. -- Mechlord 11:23, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Unusual Hat drop type

Are unusual hat uncrates restricted to the kinds of hats a particular crate series can drop, or can any kind of unusual hat pop out from any kind of crate? Got my first unusual from a festive crate and it was a Gonzila, just like the proper normal hat drop from the crate. -Object404 02:26, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

They're not tied usually, because there are plenty of unusual hats around that aren't crate hats. The Festive crates are a special case it seems. —Moussekateer·talk 02:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Good logic. Thanks! -Object404 07:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: Festive Winter Crate Expiration Results

I definitely confirm that my festive winter crates were replaced by random weapons (I had just logged into the Mann Co Store before logging out of the game, so I would have been alerted about all item drops already). Upon my next login, I was puzzled as I was immediately greeted by three new random weapon drops. My backpack was then missing my three winter crates. I hung around a trade server and asked people about their crates and we saw them change/vanish in realtime as we were all from different timezones. One guy in the server had 11 winter crates and they were all replaced by series 1-5 crates upon rollover with him. How about with you guys? -Object404 02:47, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

i kinda want to check this out, i have currently 3 festive crates in my backpack. i'll be right back! -= M-NINJA =- 02:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

well my crates only disappeared. i got nothing. so in other words, they expired. -= M-NINJA =- 04:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

So far, seems to be what I've heard from friends. Just expired, nothing replaced it. NihonTiger 05:06, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Same here. Had 4 winter crates, they were removed, and nothing replaced them. -- CptObvious 19:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Can anyone else confirm they received items when the crates expired? I received nothing as well. —Moussekateer·talk 19:16, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

3 accounts, 8 WCs deleted in total, nothing in return. Nigga stole my bike. Real alien 19:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I think this was all coincidental. i go to a server that has the drop all screwed up. i have to visit the store or leave to get my items. Maybe something similar occurred. -= M-NINJA =- 19:20, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I think so too. I can doubly confirm that nothing was returned. My younger sibling (who only occasionally plays) had 2 winter crates in her inventory. I just checked hers, and there is nothing in return for them. I think we can bust this as a coincidence, not fact. -- CptObvious 19:27, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I had 2 festive crates and i didn't get anything when they expired. Turtlebolt 07:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Crate with highest Unusual drop rate

Do we have any definitive results proving series #1 has the highest Unusual drop rate? Keys are expensive so i am sure we would all like to maximize our chances. Also,the festive crates seemed to have a high drop rate as well. Turtlebolt 05:18, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

No, the data seems to suggest the chances are the same for all series. It's a myth series 1 has a higher drop rate. The Festive crate does seem to have a higher chance, though I'm not too sure about the data. —Moussekateer·talk 05:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Is there a data sheet separated by series on this internets?? People pay so much more for series 1 crates, lol Turtlebolt 09:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Festival Crates

Were all the non-pseudo item set hats that came out during the Australian Christmas update design to be uncrateable with the festival crates? I don't see Prancer's Pride listed among the mess and want to see if it was intended or just really bad luck for anyone trying to get it this way. BASEBALLFURIES 20:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Remove that Minecraft trivia

It doesn't fit on the article, because it has nothing to do specifically with crates. It is a parody of TF2, and I'm sure there's some silly article for that sort of thing. That bit of trivia is entirely about Minecraft, and this is not a Minecraft wiki. I know a number of people are big fans of Minecraft, but that doesn't make it any more related. If we mention it on this page, then we may as well mention that one VG Cats comic as well. You know the one. SilverHammer 20:09, 28 June 2011 (PDT)

I disagree, the chests and the fake functionality are a direct reference to the crates and I think it's an interesting tidbit. Mar 20:13, 28 June 2011 (PDT)

Yeah, but so are the chests in that comic. How about the Team Captain in that F@nboy$ from last week, that's a direct reference. Add that to the Team Captain article? SilverHammer 20:29, 28 June 2011 (PDT)

 Support this isn't Minecraft people. - Lexar - talk 20:31, 28 June 2011 (PDT)  Support You know how a years ago this wiki was filled with mundane trivia? This is one of those. Except it's even more unrelated. --TheJohns 10:44, 1 July 2011 (PDT)

Cooler Box

It's still can't open with normal keys. But how about Stocking Stuffer Key? Hinaomi 06:33, 29 June 2011 (PDT)

Ah, yes, forgot to type it here. Tested, no option to unbox the cooler. kreafan 16:23, 29 June 2011 (PDT)

It expires July 11th, Valve may release the unreleased item sets seen in the Free to Play trailer on July 4th, since that's Independence Day, as well as putting the key for the Cooler in the store for the same price as a regular key (just like the Festive Key was, right?), makes sense, doesn't it? Masterlegodude 07:13, 30 June 2011 (PDT)

Keys are out, lets start getting some data on what come out of the crates! Massive Mountain of Hat 11:05, 1 July 2011 (PDT)

• Tam O'shanter (hat for Demoman)

• Copper's Topper (police helmet for Heavy)

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/558661128543277136/260DD4E864A0054390EA24650937A5BEE69184E9/

• Stately Steel Boot (literally a steel boot for Pyro)
• Rouge's Coule Ruge, (turtleneck for Spy)

• Steel Jaw (heay metal jaw)

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/594689925559043543/337BDC76B1075A88FE991C00F677192896E7A1B8/

• Steel Toe
• Nine Iron (demo golf club)

• Engineer boots - prairie heel biters

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/594689925559044963/6BFF9ED4A9CD81EF40A2168DDC882BB43D3151EA/

Where are you guys compiling data for the summer cooler drop rates? So far I've gotten: 2 Steel Jaw (heavy), Nine Iron (demo), and Postal Pummeler (pyro)[3]. Stupid mcgee 10:57, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

• Just wondering, are there any unusuals in the cooler? Thespy 14:56, 9 July 2011 (PDT)

Yes I got my Unusual Hustlers Hallmark (Purple Energy) from it Kwank3r

Someone still has a Summer Cooler...

Just saw this. Apparently this guys Summer Cooler wasn't removed. What gives? 404 User Not Found 20:47, 24 July 2011 (PDT)

Is he played tf2 after summer update? Hinaomi 10:19, 25 July 2011 (PDT)

I actually had a tradable crate for about 12 hours after the update. The crate did not say that it was going to expire after that. However it was deleted. Their other crates out there (I've found 3 so far) and they no longer have the expire by part on them. So a few users lost items trading for these crates in hopes they would become collectables. [deleted dupe info and link] Erikerikerik 12:04, 26 July 2011 (PDT)

More information on TF2TP.com you actually need the item in your backpack in order to trade it. And the timing on this trade shows this person had it http://tf2tp.com/trade.php?trade=2362078Erikerikerik 12:31, 26 July 2011 (PDT)

Just so you know, Erikerikerik, this link you posted: http://optf2.com/item/348336006?pid=242109, is the exact same link to the exact same guy's backpack, that I posted above. Click "Just saw this.". 404 User Not Found 13:36, 26 July 2011 (PDT)

Converted to Template

I took the time, with some extra help from EpicEric, to convert the crate tables into clean and clear template. It currently can hold up to 25 items along with the ability of translation switching. Its very easy to use and edit in my opinion. Here is a link to the project. So gather your opinions and tell them to me; shall we use it? 18:38, 8 August 2011 (PDT)

 Hell yeah - Dude, you kick so much ass. Use that template! 404 User Not Found 20:12, 8 August 2011 (PDT)

Alright! Got some excellent feedback from 404 :D Also! Because I have the attention span to do so, I converted ALL the crate tables to use the template. 18:31, 11 August 2011 (PDT)

Template make easier to add many more new series crate. Then keep do this project :D. Hinaomi 20:24, 11 August 2011 (PDT)

I like dis new weapon. —Moussekateer·talk 20:32, 11 August 2011 (PDT)

Stock Items Drops From Crates

How often do stock items drop from the new crate series 23 to 28? I've received a fair few of those crates now and I would like to get rid of them; however, I don't want to waste money for a key if chances of getting a stock item are high. Fish Ninja 05:15, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

Any stock items found in a crate will be Strange quality, so it's hardly a waste. » Cooper Kid (blether·contreebs) 10:04, 5 September 2011 (PDT)

Crates #23- 25

When did they stop dropping?MEDUNN 09:16, 5 September 2011 (PDT)

#29

What the feck is the Question Mark for? -- ScoutKast 17:42, 20 September 2011 (PDT)

The following discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

VOTE: Should crates be listed in reverse chronological order?

I vote yes because I feel that it would be most useful to Wiki viewers if the crates were listed in reverse chronological order (30, 29, 28, 27, ...) rather than in chronological order (1, 2, 3, 4, ...) as they are now. This is primarily because most users are likely to be much more interested in what was in the more recent, active crates than the early renditions. - Kanosea 20:04, 13 October 2011 (PDT)

Perhaps the "Retired series" and "Active series" sections should just be switched around, so that the "Active series" are on top. This seems simpler than reversing the entire order. OldManJenkins 20:16, 13 October 2011 (PDT)

 Oppose Chronological order is how most (I say most incase of that one item that isn't) things are organized. E.g. Update History. I do understand what you are saying so if it were to satisfy, why don't we place active crates at the top of the page. (Stupid Edit conflicts) 20:17, 13 October 2011 (PDT)

I like that. I think we should move the active series to the forefront of the page (and list it redundantly at the end if people want). I see no reason why this would hurt anything. - Kanosea 20:21, 13 October 2011 (PDT)

 Support putting Active Series first but otherwise keeping chronological order. -- Mar 20:28, 13 October 2011 (PDT)

 Support I think whatever order we put the sections in, it should be sequential. Either Active Series first in reverse chronological order (31-26, then 25-1), or Active Series last in forward chronological order (1-25, then 26-31).

 Support It makes much more sense to have them in reverse, from newest to oldest. 404: User Not Found ^(talk) 17:07, 16 October 2011 (PDT)

 OpposeChronological order makes more sense and is consistent with the rest of the wiki's organization regarding timeline.  –  Cructo [T][C] 17:09, 16 October 2011 (PDT)

 Comment Uh, why are we still voting on this? The article has already been switched to reverse chronological, and it's been split into Active/Retired. I think this vote is pretty much over and should be archived. I'm gonna archive it for now, but if someone feels the discussion should continue for whatever reason, go ahead and unarchive it. I don't mind =P 404: User Not Found ^(talk) 17:14, 16 October 2011 (PDT)

The preceding discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Salvaged #30

Already added that +) Limie Pie 23:42, 13 October 2011 (PDT)

How can a crate containing only weapons have an exccedingly rare special item? Unusual weapons? What?

Jojo2342 23:48, 16 October 2011 (PDT)

Like EVERY other crate, it's an unusual hat. How you couldn't put this together on your own is beyond me. Have you never, ever, looked at the desc of any other crate, ever? SS2R 23:54, 16 October 2011 (PDT)

Salvaged 30 does not drop anymore.

Have YOU seen any drop in the last day? I'm pretty sure they aren't coming anymore. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yoshiboshi3 (talk) • (contribs)

They are probably rarer than hat drops. So don't expect to see them dropping. Or how many hat drops do you actually witness in a 3 days? --Picard ^talk 10:04, 16 October 2011 (PDT)

What kind of logic is this? I don't see it, therefore it doesn't exist? Spare me. SS2R 10:05, 16 October 2011 (PDT)

There are not so much #30, as tf2stats says: 101 crates.kreafan 16:54, 16 October 2011 (PDT)

Just to clarify, these do still drop, TheHoboKing received one today. Don't make a post like this unless you have facts. Your speculation is meaningless. SS2R 23:55, 16 October 2011 (PDT)

I can confirm Crate#30 dropped on Tuesday October 19th. There have been 1509 drops in NoochLand post Manniversary update and only 1 Salvaged Mann Co. Supply Crate during those drops. Nooch 12:39, 19 October 2011 (PDT)

I can confirm Crate#30 dropped on Saturday March 3rd 2012. RagingRoosevelt 18:24, 2012-03-05

I just got one yesterday. [4] Go to page 2. Profit. NikolaiKrstic 19:39, 2012-03-09

Did s28 stop drop before s26?

I saw patch note include s26 and s28 stop drop but did s28 stop drop before s26? Hinaomi 07:28, 21 October 2011 (PDT)

Yes. s28 was replaced by s29. and s26 was replaced by s31. at the moment s27, s29, and s31 are still dropping. Nooch 10:56, 21 October 2011 (PDT)

Festive Winter Crate 2010

Just noticed there's a hat missing from the Christmas Crate list, do I just add it in listed with a 2% rate like all the other hats? DarkQuill 04:10, 6 November 2011 (PST)

Not quite - the total of the percentages must always add up to 100%. Which hat is missing? » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 15:42, 6 November 2011 (PST)

Fair enough. Industrial Festivizer is missng - I know specifically 'cause that's the one I unboxed with my free key :p DarkQuill 00:31, 7 November 2011 (PST)

link to crate simulator

I'm not sure on the policy of external links on this wiki, but I was wondering whether it would be helpful or informative to have a link to my flash crate simulator somewhere on this page.

Stripedy 11:42, 16 November 2011 (PST)

That's a pretty spectacular simulator ya got there, and I'd certainly like to see it on the page, but I don't really see how it would fit with the encyclopedic nature of the wiki.
» Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 12:21, 16 November 2011 (PST)

Uncrated items have a trade timer?

I got some keys from the Mann Co. store yesterday and uncrated a s. Degreaser. I don't usually actively use it, so I thought I could trade it away, But apparently there is a trading timer, which is set to the same timer as keys, 3 days. Since when was this added? Koalster 05:49, 19 November 2011 (PST)

Proof of existence of Series #34

Here's what I found in items_game.txt:

"supply_crate_loot_list_34"

{

"kill_eater_set_mixed_e" "1"

"Hard Counter" "1"

"Western Wear" "1"

}

And this is what "kill_eater_set_mixed_e" contains:

"kill_eater_set_mixed_e"

{

"The Reserve Shooter" "1"

"The Atomizer" "1"

"The Southern Hospitality" "1"

"The Scottish Resistance" "1"

}

So yeah, turns out I was wrong, and #34 has been coded in, but I'm unsure as to whether or not it's currently being dropped. 404: User Not Found ^(talk) 18:25, 1 December 2011 (PST)

s30 no longer drop?

I saw someone edit that s30 no longer drop. Is it true? Hinaomi 19:53, 1 December 2011 (PST)

• Series 30 is a very rare drop, rarer than hats Thespy 12:28, 10 December 2011 (PST)

Not sure about Crate 30 no longer dropping, but Crate 31 is still up and about. I found one today. FC Ghost Nappa 20:58, 1 December 2011 (PST)

Today before or after update? TeotwawK 21:44, 1 December 2011 (PST)

I can confirm s30 crate dropped in NoochLand on Tuesday December 6th. So, thats the 6th s30 crate in NoochLand, or 1 s30 crate per week during 6 of the 7 weeks s30 crates have been available.Nooch 03:14, 6 December 2011 (PST)

90% sure it was after the update. I've only been getting 33's lately but I'll keep my eyes peeled. FC Ghost Nappa 22:29, 9 December 2011 (PST)

I can confirm s30 crate dropped in NoochLand on Sunday December 18th. So, thats the 7th s30 crate in NoochLand. Nooch279 is currently a F2P account. Nooch 17:08, 18 December 2011 (PST)

I got one about a week ago. It's probably safe to assume they're here to stay for much longer. --Stevejenny 22:20, 2 March 2012 (PST)

Naughty/Nice Crates contents

Has anyone checked items_game.txt to see if the Naughty/Nice Crates contents have been added? If you're doing searching, try doing a search of the file for the Series 34 crate name (which I posted a few topics up), then scroll down to see if anything has been added. 404: User Not Found ^(talk) 17:21, 9 December 2011 (PST)

Nothing was added the schema noting the contents. Balladofwindfishes 17:23, 9 December 2011 (PST)

Alrighty then! Thanks for responding Ballad :) 404: User Not Found ^(talk) 17:38, 9 December 2011 (PST)

Speaking of the Naughty/Nice Crates, the formatting seems to be a bit wonky on the page. I'm assuming this'll be fixed once we've got contents listed, but right now there's a big space between Nice and Naughty. -an incoherent rambling by iamtehlolrus 21:09, 10 December 2011 (PST)

The 'festiver bat' is not listed. Perhaps there are 10 festiver items and 9% each instead of 9 items and 11% each item or the 'festiver bat' may be the rare item. Also looking for any official word about the strange festiver weapon percentage rate. --7runks 06:07, 17 December 2011 (PST)

Trivia about festive keys

I saved 2 festive keys from last year, and tried opening a naughty crate with them. They "don't apply to this item" right now. Don't know if people were curious or not. --Vercci 19:46, 12 December 2011 (PST)

Firstly those keys should have been changed into regular keys. Thespy 20:27, 15 December 2011 (PST)

Nice Crate contents

I edited Ebenezer and Holiday Headcase out of there because the update page clearly says there are 14 items in the crates, there's no proof of anyone unboxing either yet and both their descriptions state that they were "donated" which makes it sound like they're going to be free somehow (most likely tied to that upcoming "treasure hunt" thing).

Also I'm kind of bad at counting so some kind soul could edit the percentages to match the amount of items. Roo 02:42, 17 December 2011 (PST)

naughty crate quality distribution statistics

took a look at tf2stats, which has fairly large sample sizes on these items already

for the rocket launcher, flamethrower, sticky launcher, minigun, sniper rifle, and knife: the distribution is about 1 strange in every 8 items (~12.5% chance to be strange)

for the scattergun, wrench and medigun: the distribution is about 1 strange in every 14 items (~7.1% chance to be strange)

for the bat: the distribution is the opposite of the above items, with a 7.1% chance of NOT being strange

I'm not sure how this can be concisely conveyed in the main article, but here's the raw information. Stripedy 16:56, 17 December 2011 (PST)

and another thing, festive bats are (according to tf2stats) much rarer than the other festives, so the current percentages on the main article are probably flawed. Stripedy 17:05, 17 December 2011 (PST)

Do you have to buy the kets just to open the crates?

Like really? is ther any alternate way for this by obtaning a random item from a server? Paulioetc19 20:01, 18 January 2012 (PST)

Did you read the trivia section? Everything in store has in random drop exept key, pile o gift, secreat saxton, some paint and some hat. Hinaomi 22:56, 18 January 2012 (PST)

Identical items from crates

Whenever I open crates of the same series one after the other, I always seem to receive the same item drop. For example, a few days ago I opened 3 series 34 crates consecutively and received 3 Strange Atomizers. This has happened to me almost every time I have opened crates. Does this happen to anybody else and if so why does this happen? G 180397 12:40, 21 February 2012 (PST)

You're just unlucky. » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 13:08, 21 February 2012 (PST)

I've received 3 Black Boxes from 3 Series #29 crates but all 4 strange item from 4 Series #27 crates (without any duplicates). --Askarmuk 14:32, 21 February 2012 (PST)

Strange Parts

Hopefully someone can come up with a better way to add the specific Strange Part types into the crates' drop tables. I felt it was necessary information but I'm new at this and didn't want to potentially screw up the dictionary by adding a new entry for each variation of the item. Cmx 21:04, 22 March 2012 (PDT)

An entry per variation in the dictionary probably would be best, redirects can always be set up to the main tool page. - Devozade 21:10, 22 March 2012 (PDT)

Alright, I'll start doing that. Cmx 21:30, 22 March 2012 (PDT)

Crate 30 no longer dropping?

The page was edited today to mention that Crate #30 no longer drops, but I've heard no other mention of that, and it wasn't listed in the changes for today's update, undocumented or otherwise. Can anyone confirm that this is true? Evang7 00:23, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

Still in there, It wasn't removed in the schema update so it's still in.--Drsalvador 04:41, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

It's still in the schema because it's got a special icon / name. So it's stuck there "Forever" </Pinky Pie>, but that doesn't mean it still drops. --Org 07:16, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

It doesn't look like they removed any crates from the drop system, at least according to the schema. Crate drops are controlled via schema, so we'd know. Balladofwindfishes 07:21, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

They definitely removed crate 37 and 38. I'm still confused, is crate 30 dropping or is it retired. Calq 17:20, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

I'm not sure where optf2 gets its schema from, but it disagrees with the items_game.txt currently deployed to srcds servers from the HLDSUpdateTool. The latest schema deployed there has item index 5068 ("Supply Crate Rare" AKA Salvaged Mann Co. Crate) pointing to crate 40. --Powerlord 18:55, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

Someone on SPUF just got a 30 about an hour ago and no 40 has been spotted yet. Something wasn't set right and it's causing 30s to drop and 40s to not. Balladofwindfishes 18:57, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

I've sent a message to the hlds mailing list, so hopefully the discrepency between the schema and items_game.txt (which is supposed to be generated from the schema) will be sorted out soon. Since they both share the same item definition index, if one is dropping the other isn't. -- Powerlord 19:06, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

So does this mean that crate 30 is Supposed to be retired, and crate 40 is supposed to drop like a salvaged crate, but crate 30 is dropping instead of crate 40 due to some sort of bug?Calq 10:21, 24 March 2012 (PDT)

We don't know. The schema doesn't define what drops, that's up to the item server. So take what the schema says with a pinch of salt. And afaik the online schema overrides items_game.txt. —Moussekateer·talk 10:26, 24 March 2012 (PDT)

Crate 40 rarity?

I've not seen a single one. I don't even think they're dropping. Yoshiboshi3 21:09, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

From the discussion topic above it appears that there is a bug causing crate 30 to drop in place of 40, as they are both marked as salvaged crates in the item schema. Cmx 23:08, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

The naming and positioning may be the issue. They might have to remove the 30 from the schema or make an exception to fix it. 7runks 00:22, 24 March 2012 (PDT)

So.........

Think this might be good information to add to the page? I mean, lots of people asking for crate 40 with the wiki as their only reference, it would be nice for them to understand it can't drop yet. Yoshiboshi3 10:20, 24 March 2012 (PDT)

I think it might be Item server bug. Valve will fix it in Valve time. Hinaomi 10:24, 24 March 2012 (PDT)

Regarding crate topics above

I think it's important to note that the attributes for crate series you see in the schema aren't necessarily representative of the series you will see in a backpack. The drop system can and does attach overriding crate series attributes. This is how early/discontinued crates continue to exist in your backpack. There is indeed an inconsistency in the schemas but the schema itself does not control the series that might drop. I don't know what weight this has on the above discussions but it is something that should be considered when deciding on how you edit the page. Remember that a lot of people trust the wiki's pages as the word of god.

The tracker and OPTF2 itself gets the client schema from the value stored in the same items_game field you see in the tracker files themselves. -- Lagg 19:42, 24 March 2012 (PDT)