Talk:Pyro

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Gender

In the class suggestion area of the TF2 main menu (right upper corner) pyro is being referred to as "her".

Why don't you give her a shot?

I consider this to be quite a confirmation enough to say that pyro is a woman. I've been on a many month break from TF2, but I know about the speculation and weird evidence for and against pyro being a woman. I'll be editing the article accordingly. --Maska 16:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

It says he too. This is old. -- Smashman... _{(t • s)} 16:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I actually think Pyro is a duck. -- En Ex 16:46, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, ok. A nice move from Valve. -- Maska 17:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. Valve trolling us. :3 -- Smashman... _{(t • s)} 17:39, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

guy, says so in the game files globalactors { "demo" "male" "engineer" "male" "heavy" "male" "heavy_hwm" "male" "medic" "male" "pyro" "male" "scout" "male" "sniper" "male" "soldier" "male" "spy" "male" } source: scripts/global_actors.txt. If anything, it's just a little joke calling some men (like the pyro) ladiesSam-1-14 19:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

That may just be referring to the fact that the voice actor is male. Truly, I believe there is no definitive answer and Valve will never provide one. Just leave the page ambiguous and let the conspiracy theories fly. It's fun! --Firestorm   20:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Just make him a guy and move on Valve.God! CANPoo 02:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC)CANPoo

My theory is that he's Gromit, from Wallace and Gromit.-CdeMonkey

There should be a section devoted to the pyro's gender confusion.

• The main menu refers to the Pyro as either "him" or "her", randomly changing each time the game is started.
• The game files (scripts/global_actors.txt) refers to the pyro as "male"
• The Pyro's Mildly Disturbing Halloween Mask shows a picture of a small bird, implying that the pyro is a chick
• The Pyro Beanie seems to imply that the Pyro is a boy (or merely that the Pyro has a childlike intellect)
• The whiskered gentleman is an obvious nod towards The Pyro being male. The Guadalajara is not exactly a feminine item either.

Layzergun 20:18, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• Pyro has a purse in the 2for locker --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thespy (talk) • (contribs) 01:45, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

The lockers on the top row don't reflect the lockers on the bottom row, so it's hard to say that because the purse is near the Pyro's locker, that it is his. -KazooieBanjo 02:43, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

- The addition of the Madame Dixie hat has created further confusion on the gender of the Pyro, hinting at it being female. I like the idea of a separate page being created about the Pyro's mysterious gender. - Elementhol 15:02, 13 January 2011 (GMT)

I really doubt this minor ambiguity warrants an entire new page. —烏Γ ^{(kaw at me)}, 21:29, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

When is the truth about the Pyros gender going to be revealed? I hope that the pyro is a female! Altair 22:42, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't think items should really cause that much controversy. I mean GEISHA BOY was a ridiculous item for the medic but he is a man. I think Valve wants to not specify a gender for the pyro so it can be a mystery and so they can release any item for it/she/he Pierow 09:30, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

True, but there where Geisha boys in Feudal Japan, not just the Geisha Girls that everyone knows about today. DJNerd 19:46, 4 July 2011 (PDT)

Since his jumpsuit covers the entire body,it may aswell be just a confirmation of his gender, since he is corpulent, if it was the scout's mom it probably wouldn't appear this way.--Copo 12:31, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Speculation should go here.  –  Epic Eric (T | C) 19:50, 4 July 2011 (PDT)

I read that apparently TF2 developers wanted to include a female member to TF2? Does anyone know if this was actually said or not and if so when and where (interview or site for example?). Goldfish 14:22, 6 July 2011 (PDT)

the pyro is not a woman he is agro from the epic podkast kritzkast--Iaindude 13:06, 1 April 2012 (PDT)

 Nope First off, Kritzkat is speculating. We cannot base information such as this from a podcast. If you wish to discuss this further please take it to the forums. Secondly, you're responding to a topic that ended roughly 9 months ago. 13:17, 1 April 2012 (PDT)

I have cracked it by doing math and biological Male to female ratios. The pyro is in fact a homosexual male told by arm length finger to finger lengths and other scientific methods,Please call me wrong but another man by the name of matt has done this on youtube. For an idea of what i did go to this video

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA_24zLyKdI . Please be my guest and try to dis-prove his final answer. Mr.UndercoverMiner (talk) 02:22, 12 October 2013 (PDT)Mr.UndercoverMiner

You're assuming both that the modelers put that much thought into the lengths of the characters' fingers, and that you can tell how long your fingers are through a glove probably designed to fit different hand sizes. Anyway, the short of it is that nothing about the Pyro's gender can be added to the Wiki without explicit confirmation, one way or another. If you want to discuss it further, take it to the forums. » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 08:39, 14 October 2013 (PDT)

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Airblast's basic tips

I know the basic tips section is off-limit, but I think it'd be appropriate adding the new airblast related tips. After all it's a vanilla feature.--Kid Of The Century 10:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

It's not "vanilla", as it was added after the Pyro Update. Danton 06:03, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

It depends more on what you mean by "vanilla": to me (and reasonably) they're all the features you have right off the bat. Compression Blast, upgradable dispensers/teleporters, cloak recharging through metal and building hauling are all abilities you have at your disposition the very moment you start the game for the first time, and therefore they should be in the basic tip section. I concur it should be noted they're available on the PC version of the game only (even if to me it seems the Wiki is almost entirely PC-oriented).--Kid Of The Century 13:23, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

 Support The definition of "vanilla" in regards to software is "as delivered" - including "[upgraded] with official patches" (Just putting this here generally to avoid confusion). Dictionary aside, I don't see why a few airblast tips can't be under "Basic Strategy". -RJackson 13:37, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree, the airblast is more a patch to fix an existing weapon, not an entirely new weapon Layzergun 23:43, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Pyro

You may want to put this 'suspicous' woman with a bag that looks like the pyro's locker bag, even with the flower, on the sacrifice comic from L4D.http://www.l4d.com/comic/comic.php?page=26 CANPoo 02:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Nice, I never saw that... maybe it travelled dimensions with Bill's hat! Wesson07 20:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

If you ask me, it looks more like a box, not a bag. But the flower could mean something.Jarhead 03:37, 5 December 2010 (UTC)Jarhead

Pyro's trivia

"The Pyro is the only class in the game that possesses weapons in each slot that can individually guarantee Critical hits under certain circumstances; the Backburner Crits enemies from behind, the Flare Gun Crits ignited targets at long range, and the Axtinguisher Crits ignited targets."

This is debatable. The spy has the ambassador and the knife, and the sapper isn't a weapon per se. Should this be changed? - Mistah Phoenix 18:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I erased a Trivia fact that said that on the Xbox360 Version of Team Fortress 2, The Pyro is completely fire-retardant. This is incorrect, I play the Xbox360 version. He is not completely fire-retardant.

Ah, I just reverted your edit. I'll remove it again; thanks for participating, and don't forget to sign your talk page-edits with ~~~~! ~ lhavelund ^{(t ▪ c)} 22:42, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

He/She

Can we just shorten this to "it"? We don't even know if its a blasted human or not!--Vaught 12:47, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Say "the Pyro" instead of he, she or it. -- Pilk _(talk) 12:50, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Hrm. Sounds good to me. I'll give the page a good poking at with this. --Vaught 12:52, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

maybe Pyro's a robot! :D Wesson07 10:40, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

He/she is more human an personable, plus using "it" has negative connotations. DJNerd 13:53, 4 July 2011 (PDT)

i think "it" should be a girl because there are none in the game and plus the pyro has hats that are normally only for women--Sharonmagoole 23:09, 13 September 2011 (PDT)

that's nice but unfortunately it doesn't really make a difference what anyone thinks - Valve meant the Pyro's gender to be ambiguous. » Cooper Kid (blether·contreebs) 05:04, 14 September 2011 (PDT)

"Meet the Pyro" Fan Video

Not sure if anyone else has seen this, but il guess il be the (first?) one to say this, theres this video of Meet The Pyro made by two fans of the pyro seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww-jfygVEE0

Gamecrazy009 17:32, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes the meet the pyro video... maybe we should create a pyro fan video page. - Meter1060 18:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Trivia still correct?

"There is a small issue in the Pyro's BLU team icon, where the Pyro holds a Red Team Flamethrower instead of the BLU Team Flamethrower. This can be seen in the class menu in-game while on BLU team."

Is this still the case? I couldn't verify it.

"There is a small issue in the Pyro's icon used in the HUD, where the BLU Pyro's icon resembles the Beta Pyro, while the RED Pyro retains the final version of the Pyro."

The difference was the tank on the back right? The color of the tank is yellow. So I assume the black tank is the beta version. But I just checked and the RED Pyro had the black tank while the BLU Pyro had the yellow one. Doesn't that mean that the RED Pyro is using the beta model?

Gamer 7601 16:46, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

what?

A friend of mine says pyro was found in a mariachi band in Mexico at a gas station. Any confirmation.

dwy1996 23:12, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that's just something fans have made up. The Pyro's nationality is unknown. Yaridovich23 09:34, 19 July 2011 (PDT)

Small question

Opinion, which looks better?

Weapon	Weapon Name	Kill Icon	Ammo Loaded	Ammo Carried	Damage Range	Notes / Special Abilities
Stock	Flamethrower		Fire: 200 Air blasts: 10 (same reserve)	N/A	Base (Max): 139.4 / sec. Crit (Max): 418.2 / sec. Afterburn: 6 / sec. × 10 secs.1	Secondary fire blasts compressed air which knocks back enemies, redirects enemy projectiles, and extinguishes flames on teammates, using 20 ammo per blast. All reflected rockets/grenades/arrows will inflict Mini-Crit damage.

Or

Primary

Weapon	Kill Icon	Ammo Loaded	Ammo Carried	Damage Range	Notes / Special Abilities
Stock Flamethrower		Fire: 200 Air blasts: 10 (same reserve)	N/A	Base (Max): 139.4 / sec. Crit (Max): 418.2 / sec. Afterburn: 6 / sec. × 10 secs.1	Secondary fire blasts compressed air which knocks back enemies, redirects enemy projectiles, and extinguishes flames on teammates, using 20 ammo per blast. All reflected rockets/grenades/arrows will inflict Mini-Crit damage.

It just doesn't feel right to have the weapon icon in an unlabeled section and the rest having a label. The first creates Weapon Name column. The other merges the two, creating a bit more room. I wanted your say. :s --Vaught 21:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd say choice 2, but I don't have a really good reason. I guess I just like it a bit more compact Natemckn 21:29, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Need more feedback! --Vaught 02:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I love the second version! You shouldn't talk this here though, maybe the Weapons page or even the Wiki page, as it affects all weapons and class pages. — Neo_Player ^{(t ▪ c)} 03:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I really like choice 2. Why have the name of the weapon have its own little section, when it can be under the picture of the weapon saving much needed room. Choice 2 makes more sense. I also agree with Neo_Player, this isn't a small question, it's a very, very BIG one, this should be done with every weapon.Jarhead 03:53, 5 December 2010 (UTC)Jarhead

I prefer the second one for pretty much every reason everybody else has already stated. ^Scatman _John (Talk | Contrib) 22:41, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I do prefer choice 2, too. — Wind 22:42, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I prefer the second one too, but would rather the weapon name was under the availability. —Moussekateer·talk 22:43, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Thought it was like that originally. Changed it properly! --Vaught 05:26, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Perfect. 2nd one all the way ;p —Moussekateer·talk 05:28, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I really think that the second one should be implemented it saves space and gets rid of an unnecessary column Lexicon249 05:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Guys please refer to this discussion here for more exposure. — Neo_Player ^{(t ▪ c)} 12:28, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Damage numbers?

Should we round these since it's not possible to do a fraction of a damage point? --Vaught 02:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Makes sense to me, my only concern is if after several hits it does add the extra decimal on. In other words, if it ends in .4/second. after 3 seconds it goes up to 1.2 and the game adds it back in. Although, the difference would be negligible overall, and would likely go unnoticed. K-Mac (Talk | Contrib) 07:48, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

You forgot your sig! And what I've found out is that decimals are rounded down, so if something does 3.7 or 4.9, it does 3 or 4 damage, never up. Very strange, but thats the math for ya. Any other feedback on this? I don't want people to think there's a hidden decimal damage system when damage is solid numbers. --Vaught 20:49, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Killing Floor Twisted Christmas

For those who don't know, Killing Floor is going to do a collab Christmas event with TF2 (or rather, happen to be giving out TF2 stuff), with Mr. Foster's mask being a new item for Pyro. Any thoughts? I personally hope it's a misc. item, I think the Whiskered Gentleman would have some clipping issues. Sage J. Fox 01:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Meh, they mentioned separately so i think Tie would be misc. item and Mask - hat. Demo glasses having clipping issues too, but Valve added them anyways.TIS 02:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

But they also said "This item is..." so I assume they're together. It'd also make more sense to be a misc. since I'd rather be able to wear one of the thirty-one Pyro hats with the mask instead of just one of the thirteen misc, most of which are almost-identical badges. Sage J. Fox 23:17, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Dammit Valve and or Tripwire. ;D Sage J. Fox 05:23, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

The pictures of the killing floor pyro and the mask seem to be dropped in randomly. I don't see their significance, especially the pic of the mask seeing as that has its own separate page. Lacysophia 18:29, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree, removed that screenshot of the hat. As for the KF screenshot, I do think that's relevant because it is interesting to note how the Pyro looks like in another game. —Moussekateer·talk 18:34, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Added Note

Degreaser is still using the Flamethrower's kill icon against players, with its real icon showing up against buildings. I made a note of this under it in the primary section. Henry Spencer 21:23, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Pyro Fuel Trivia Source

Our current trivia states that the tank the Pryo carries is for oxygen, as the propane tank is the fuel for the flamethrower... Is there some factual source that we gleaned this from, because when looking at it from a logical standpoint, propane does name make for a good flamethrower, nor does it need additional oxygen. It seems more logical that the propane fuels the pilot light on the flamethrower, and the pack the Pyro is carrying carries some form of napalm-like fuel as ammo. Anyone have some credible source to back up the current trivia? CptObvious 08:34, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sture it's to do with the propane grill-style tank that's attached to the Flamethrower. But I dunno for certain. NihonTiger 08:37, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Please use fewer pronouns, expanded sentences, and more words. I have no clue wtf you are talking about, because it doesn't even address what I've asked. CptObvious 08:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Allow me to attempt to shine some light on this, or at least what im getting. The current trivia states "The pressure tank on the Pyro's back contains oxygen rather than fuel, as the fuel for the Flamethrower is contained in a large propane gas tank inside the Flamethrower itself." Captain Obvious here either is confused on what this is saying, asking for a source of this statement, or trying to come up with a different way to state this to make more sense. -= M-NINJA =- 20:36, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the tank on the Pyro's back does contain breathable oxygen, because on fireman's tanks the valves and guages are on the bottom of the tank. The guage and valve on Pyro's tank are on the top, leading me to think that it is fuel, and not his/her air supply. Plus from a logical stand point, the Pyro is clearly wearing a filtered gas mask, the kind that filter the air around the wearer, not a rebrether with tubes that lead to the tank which supplies the wearer with breathable air. DJNerd 13:51, 4 July 2011 (PDT)

Weapon Switch Times

Considering the Pyro has the only weapon able to modify weapon-switching times, the degreaser, shouldn't we include "weapon-prime, weapon-select" times for all weapons? Show the difference 60% makes? ZeyGoggles 20:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

That information can go on the weapon's specific page. -= M-NINJA =- 20:28, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Hamburger Source Change

The current source for the "Pyro's Hamburgers" trivia just leads to the l4dwiki. I say we change it to an image of "Pyro's Hamburgers". I did find one image but im sure we can get a better version...maybe with some AA? -= M-NINJA =- 20:46, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

The Pyro's Electric "Axe" Guitar

I don't really know where to ask this so I'll just put it on the Pyro's talk page. The question i want to ask is when the pyro does his/her Axe taunt what cords is he/she doing because you can make out the left hand fingers doing notes?...i suppose on that "note" then, do you think this would be from the pyro's lifestyle from perhaps being in a band? You don't have to answer the second question, i'm more of wondering what the notes the pyro plays are...--Awesome Weegee 21:04, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, his vocals and his hand position aren't correlated, from what I can tell. The vocals bend in the vicinity of an E, I think, but his hand position is a mix of thumb-over style playing and a bar chord... it's really not anything I recognize. They may have just randomly placed the hand/fingers on the model to simulate some sort of chord being played, without a specific one in mind. I think trying to link this to him being in a band or his lifestyle is just you trying to project some sort of currently non-existent lore on tf2... it'd all be speculation at best. The pyro's persona gives him reason to play the 'air guitar' on his axe just on a standalone basis... doesn't need any back-story. -- CptObvious 21:32, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

He's that much of an enigma already. Any backstory would simply ruin the mystery. —烏Γ ^{(kaw at me)}, 22:27, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, I can't speak for the chords, but everyone in the world air guitars. So that part means nothing. -- Benjamuffin (talk | contribs) 11:35, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I zoomed in on the Pyro's left hand, and I agree, Pyro's fingers don't move with the "notes" he/she plays, I think he/she is just air guitaring with his/her melee weapon. If he/she is playing actual notes, I don't recognise the fingerings. As for the notes, the first "note" sounds to me like it is about a G, and the second is an E that ties into a G. DJNerd 13:37, 4 July 2011 (PDT)

Pyro's Vader Helmet

Right after the initial Mann-conomy update, I was browsing through the item files in the SDK modelviewer, and found both a Chef's hat and a Darth Vader helmet in the pyro's item folder. Ever since the next update, both files are gone.

Can anyone else back me up on this, and if so, were these items supposed to be event items for Force Unleashed that never came to fruition or am I missing something? Mariner1712 18:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Pyros face

On page 2 of Meet the Director, the BLU pyros face is visible. File:Pyro face.PNG--Adam.GameDev 17:36, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I said it on the other discussion page, but I'm pretty sure that's the Heavy. Just a Gigolo - (talk) 17:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, it looks like he's holding a flame thrower. --Adam.GameDev 17:38, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

That's clearly the minigun. It even has the shooting affect from Meet The Heavy. Just a Gigolo - (talk) 17:39, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, I haven't seen Meet the Heavy, and it does look like he's airblasting.--Adam.GameDev 17:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Go watch Meet The Heavy (and any other "Meet The" you haven't seen), and pay attention to the barrel flare when he's shooting at the end. Just a Gigolo - (talk) 17:43, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

It's the artistic style, check the other weapons being fired in the comic. —Moussekateer·talk 17:44, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm with Just a Gigolo, I think that is Heavy with a Minigun. DJNerd 13:24, 4 July 2011 (PDT)

Pyro Identity?

This is all speculation, but I believe I have found yet another possibility to the identity of the Pyro... Well, at least the BLU Pyro. Using information gathered from this wiki, I will now expose my beliefs on the Pyro's identity.

(DISCLAIMER: This is all speculation and has not been proven true.)

First, we need to go back to the original BLU Team. Heres a sentence from the paragraph on the article for Non-Player Characters.

"Prior to his appointment as President of the United States, the Pyro, Abraham Lincoln, used an experimental Flamethrower to aid his comrades in battle.

When we look at other parts of that paragraph, we see that all other members of the original Blu Team were based on/inspired/resembled other historical figures, while the Pyro description identifies him as being the only clearly identified historical figure, while the rest of the team could just be doppelgangers.

Lets go even deeper, to the NPC paragraph specifically about Abraham Lincoln. Ill cut out anything not relating to my point

"In addition to being the nation's 16th president, Abraham Lincoln was also the BLU team's first Pyro when the war began in the 1800's. The Engineer Update states Abraham Lincoln was assassinated by John "Tower of Hats" Booth, although the WAR! Update attributes his death to rocket-jumping up stairs. Furthermore, according to the Loose Canon comic, there were blueprints for three "life-extender machines," the last one apparently built on the day of Lincoln's death. Whether or not Abraham is still alive is open to debate."

Well, it is a bit odd how there are two explanations for Lincolns death, now isn't it? Almost as if they were created as cover-ups for the true story. We also need to look at this bit of info from the Radigan Conagher paragraph.

"Radigan Conagher also seemed to have been obsessed with Abraham Lincoln. In the first edition of The Engineer Update, several pages of notes can be seen that are totally dedicated to inventing an object that could have saved Lincoln from John Wilkes Booth. Some devices include: a hat that would shoot at the attacker, a chair that would swing over and under a balcony away from the attacker, and a teleporter."

My theory? Radigan did manage to save Abraham's life using a life-extender, and the stories of the stairs and Booth were cover-ups for the truth, that Abraham Lincoln is the current BLU Pyro. You would probably have a series of questions about this. "How is it possible for him to fight, jump, and run so well if he's as old as Redmond and Blutarch?" "How come Lincoln isn't "dead" during periods of the day like Redmond/Blutarch?" "What about the Red Pyro?" Ill explain these three.

1: How is it possible for him to fight, jump, and run so well if he's as old as Redmond and Blutarch?

I don't think that Redmond and Blutarch would've been as strong or healthy as Lincoln, so Lincoln might've had a better physique. However, my belief is that another engineer/technician upgraded the life-extender into a suit that would offer increased mobility so Lincoln could resume his duty as BLU Pyro. However, they're might've been certain requirements for the suit, such as an air-filtration system, (gas-mask) a fire-proof, full-body suit to protect the frail, old body from lighting aflame, and emergency oxygen reserve tanks. These seem to fit the bill of the Pyro.

2: How come Lincoln isn't "dead" during periods of the day like Redmond/Blutarch?

Once again, My answer is that another engineer/technician may have upgraded the life-extender for Lincoln, perhaps removing the "dead" factor. Now, as it was said during Loose Canon, Blutarch had been trying to decipher the notes for sixty years, so theoretically, he would've sorted through the best. So who fixed Lincoln's life-extender? Blutarch. Once the engineer had managed to fix Blutarch's machine, what if he managed to track down Lincoln and either A: The Blu Engineer fixed the life-extender even further so Lincoln could resume his duties as Pyro, or B: Other engineers/technicians were able to upgrade the suit once they had the basic repaired life-extender.

3: What about the Red Pyro?

Once again, we have to go back to the Original BLU Team. Don't you find it a bit odd that both Redmond and Blutarch had the exact same idea to make teams of exactly nine mercenaries, presumably the exact same classes as each other? I do, and I have a theory. Since Blutarch said that he founded his team of nine mercenaries and that his brother "Did the exact same thing." What if Redmond simply copied Blutarch's idea. Redmond copied The BLU Team's appearance and weapons with extreme detail so that the teams would be evenly matched. But since there weren't two Abraham Lincolns, Redmond would've had to use a doppelganger. Thus, nothing on the RED team would be original, and every time The BLU Team made a change in appearance or weaponary, so would Red. Up until this very day, when the Red Pyro looks exactly like the Blu Pyro.

Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it. Please tell me if you see any holes or flaws in my theory, or ask any questions you might have.

~~ThePyroTruth~~

Soooo... this isn't anything that we would put on the page. The amount of work you put into this is astounding, yet it unfortunately does not have any relevance to the Wiki. This would better be suited to a forum -- Firestorm 12:05, 5 July 2011 (PDT)

Sorry about that... I just thought this might be the place where I could get the most publicity. On any forum you might go to, there could be a million different subjects on the Pyro's identity, and mine would most likely be brushed aside. Could I put this on my user page? (Sorry, kind of new to the whole "wiki" thing...)

~~ThePyroTruth~~

You can. Also, sign your posts with 4 tildes (~~~~) rather than your name.  –  Epic Eric (T | C) 15:37, 5 July 2011 (PDT)

The sheer amount of effort you put into this is mind-blowing. While I doubt this will ever go on the wiki as it is pure speculation, I tip my hat to you sir. Ryftt 06:37, 14 August 2011 (PDT)

Domination quotes

The domination quotes of other classes calling the Pyro a woman prove nothing. As classes other than the Pyro are also called women and other female derogatories. Examples:

• The Medic's line "Did ze Fräuleins have zeir Mittelschmerz?"
• The Demoman sometimes exclaims "Oh, you're a wee little miss, you are!" when dominating a Scout.
• He also sometimes says, "See! I told ya they were a bunch o' wee lasses!" as a general domination line.
• When dominating a Sniper, the Soldier has the line "This is not a camping trip Sheila, this is war, and I love it!"
• When getting revenge as Engineer, he might exclaim, "You ladies shoulda' oughta' brought some menfolk with ya."

I'm sure I'm missing some, but you get the idea I'm sure. Does this constitute the part about other classes domination phrases calling the Pyro a woman be removed. Or does the fact that the Pyro is the only class who's gender is in doubt out-weigh this fact? DJNerd 10:08, 10 July 2011 (PDT)

Backburner Crits

Does the Backburner still not get random crits? If so this should be added to its attributes. » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 11:57, 26 September 2011 (PDT)

You are right, lol, it never had random crits and haven't them today [RUS] ANGEL_UNDEAD 12:56, 26 September 2011 (PDT)

-!That Pyro is a Mexican Girl!

I was reading the new halloween update, and i was surprised that the Pyro had many mexican-related stuff, i though it was just coincidence, but i saw this 3 TIMES... and she had name of a girl 3 TIMES... if she's not a mexican or a girl, im Santa Claus... or a girl...

Some proof...

Proof N°1

Proof N°2

Mexican Much?

So, is this a joke?

Thank you -- Ventormentor 15:55, 25 October 2011 (PDT)

The talk page is for discussing the page itself, not the topic the page is about. Please take comments such as this to the forums. 15:58, 25 October 2011 (PDT)

Im sorry, there were no advice and i though this was the place to discuss this kind of stuff, thanks for the info, and sorry :( -- Ventormentor 16:01, 25 October 2011 (PDT)

As I checked, this "update" isn't one produced by Valve, therefore, it is invalid. The description of the items are user made, and should not be taken as real evidence. SkyHippo 11:51, 25 June 2012 (PDT)

/* Pyromania /*

Anyone notice that Meet the Pyro Is coming out when the clock on Pyromania Update runs out? -- SkyHippo 11:56, 25 June 2012 (PDT)

That's the point of it. 11:57, 25 June 2012 (PDT)

Valve sure is sneaky with all this mystery. SkyHippo 17:40, 25 June 2012 (PDT)

Sure is very mysterious this telling us they're going to do something and putting a timer saying when they'll do it...? The Grand Karkasmolen 00:17, 26 June 2012 (PDT)

My Contribution

I was going to put this bit of information that I gathered from psychology class into the portion of the page dedicated to Meet the Pyro video but the page was locked.

"As shown in Meet The Pyro, he appears to be suffering from severe case of Psychosis in which he believes that he is nourishing infant versions of the opposing team with candy and flowers when he is actually brutally murdering them. From what can be seen from the level of severity of his Psychosis, he appears to be completely detached from reality. " Radical Edward2 13:45, 27 June 2012 (PDT)

Pyro Trivia

With the Pyromania unlocks, the Pyro now has the most taunts capable of killing of all the classes (the Rainblower taunt, the Scorch Shot taunt and the shotgun/flare gun/detonator/reserve shooter Hadouken). He/she/it is also tied with the Medic for the most effect taunts. Would this be worth adding to trivia? Enigma179 13:24, 13 July 2012 (PDT)

Unfortunately that's X of Y trivia - see here. » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 13:46, 13 July 2012 (PDT)

As Cooper Kid mentioned, it's not trivia. The style guide he posted will definitely clear up why it does not constitute trivia. I definitely commend you for asking before placing it on the page though. Something a lot more people should do! :P 13:50, 13 July 2012 (PDT)

Pyro's Gas Tank Trivia

• Despite common belief, the tanks located on the Pyro's back are for oxygen while the gas tank is fused to the immediate Flamethrower.

This one's been bothering me for a while... where is there any official source saying this? If there isn't, why has it been just assumed and stuffed into the trivia? And why was that assumption made? What makes people think the tank is filled with oxygen? It's not connected to the mask, which is a fairly standard filter-based gas mask. Why not assume it actually connects to the flamethrower and the little propane tank fuels the pilot light, while the hoses were just a modelling error? Why not assume that it's actually there to conceal the pyro's massive hunch back because shooting the tank will hurt the pyro? Why assume anything at all if we have no true and official evidence towards any of these theories at all? Enigma179 08:20, 15 July 2012 (PDT)

For that matter, many real flamethrowers use a small tank attached to the firearm to store gas for the burner (the small flame which lights the main jet when the weapon is fired) and a larger tank mounted on the back of the user to provide the primary fuel. That's just as likely to be the setup here. Either way, as there is no official source for this information, the purpose of the tank is ambiguous at most. » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 12:38, 15 July 2012 (PDT)

So does that mean someone should delete that particular bit of trivia? Enigma179 07:00, 16 July 2012 (PDT)

I think we can confirm that, based on the description of the Moonman Backpack, that the pyro's tank is in fact used for oxygen, although there is competing information that I'll bring up later in the page... Kickasss119 21:32, 5 September 2012 (PDT)

Homemade Flamethrower?

Where does it say that the Pyro's flamethrower is homemade? (The Pyro specializes in fighting enemies at close range using a homemade Flame Thrower.) SlowScout 17:20, 23 August 2012 (PDT)

It doesn't have to: you can look at it and see that it is. The canister is a standard propane tank and the handle is a gas station pump handle. ==Fax Celestis _talkcontrib^home 20:38, 23 August 2012 (PDT)

Pyro's "Oxygen Tank"

I just noticed this and haven't been able to find any info on it in the wiki, but... Has anyone noticed that in the loadout screen (i.e. Items/Loadout) when highlighting the classes, the pyro has a very visible hose connecting his "oxygen tank" to his flame thrower? will provide pic when i figure out how to :3 Kickasss119 21:37, 5 September 2012 (PDT)

Picture -

Kickasss119 21:46, 5 September 2012 (PDT)

If you look at the other characters, they are the beta version. Which possibly means that the pyro in the backpack is most likely the beta version of pyro. The final version of pyro still has the hose, but its connected to the other part of the flame thrower. This is probably an illusion, also because the hose is not actually in-game. Weirdduder10 09:49, 6 November 2012 (PST)

Pyro's More Revealed Gender...?

Has anyone actually that scientific version of the biggest question of tf2: Is pyro a male or female? All the facts, the shoulders, the finger lengths, and all that stuff have been shown as Female or even Homosexual Male(?) Some other little easter egg valve added in the official tf2 "Meet the Pyro" Pointed as to Male/female and also just Female. The little cloud that has the Feminine Symbol points to Female. The annotations which could have or could not be made by the official TF team said by the voice actor of Scout says: "He's not here, is she?" Notice the little S added before the he. People say that scout slurred the s from IS to HE, and the YouTube annotations fucked up again. But YouTube never got most of it correct and only one letter incorrect. All of this evidence, from the unofficial video from some guy that shows Pyro may either be Female or Gay male, which some reason points STRONGLY to Homosexual Male, and also from the official MTP video which points more strongly to Female due to the one more clue rather male only has one not very evident clue. I rest my case Weirdduder10 14:39, 26 May 2013 (PDT)

Umm kay then.... If you want to post speculations, Take it to the steam forums as it does not belong here. Thanks. :3 Ashes 15:09, 26 May 2013 (PDT)

*sniffs* I smell a certain video from YouTube... -Vicyorus (talk) 18:03, 19 September 2013 (PDT)

Voice lines

Question. When was the last voice line update? Has the Pyro retained all his voice lines since (I'm guessing) the first Pyro update? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Modulus365 (talk) • (contribs)