Talk:Paint Can

Known Bugs

A Tough Guy's Toque painted with Color No. 216-190-216 is only painted while on Red team. (This may apply to other colours and the Tough Guys Toque, but I've only got a Color No. 216-190-216 one). -RJ 17:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

A Respectless Rubber Glove painted with An Extraordinary Abundance of Tinge is not seen painted at death. Cupcakes5634 11:16, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Submit any paint-related bugs you encounter above this line, and remember to sign it at the end with four tildes (~~~~).

Hat previews?

I know it probably require a lot of work, but I think it would be neat if we got up a hat preview. While the list of colors is appreciated, seeing the actual results would be very useful to most TF2 players. Of course, this would lead to a massive amount of images, but there is space for that on the hosting right? --Ailure 04:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

In progressI wasn't around when you made this comment, but I'm already working on that. Hopefully we'll have a good implementation in a few hours. -RJ 13:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Awesome! I look forward to that then! :) It's hard to tell how some colors would wind up looking on the hats, so this should be really useful. --Ailure 19:04, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I have noticed that some of the colors don't look the same as in game. I saw the tyrants helm with the white paint and it was white, not pink like it shows on the wiki page. Alinay 00:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure? The alpha channel in the Tyrants Helm's texture is slightly transparent, so it should be slightly pink in game. If you're correct then either mine and Pilk's method of painting is incorrect, or the in-game lighting is eliminating the "pink". Can you get a screenshot for us to review. Thanks -RJ 00:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Would it be possible to show the default color as well. For things like the Texas Ten Gallon, the default and the White look practically the same, but would be easier to compare if you could see it side by side. Rhonlore 02:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

There's the article's image and backpack icon in the articles for comparison. If it wouldn't require re-doing so much work for a non-painted version with the same angle of the painted ones, then I would support your suggestion - but only because of my need for consistency - it's a minor thing.-RJ 03:25, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

It's worth noting that items that change color by team, often will change color with paint. Granted, getting BLU previews would be twice the work for some hats, but... it's worth mentioning. CloudT 10:51, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I've also noticed that quite a few hats will still have a very faint shade of their original color, despite the paint. Is this a bug or is this intentional? Alphard 05:09, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Painted previews can be found here User:RJackson/Sandbox/Painted_items. I added it to a Related Links section, since it's so highly requested. - GAMEchief 13:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

List of paintable items was already linked to in the article. -RJ 13:54, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Paint can prices

We need to add the price for those. In $, £ and €. - Dkyde 13:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Color No. 216-190-216

216-190-216 refers to the decimal value of it's hexadecimal number, being D8BED8. D8 = 216; BE = 190. Danton 00:53, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes it does. It's the RGB value. You don't need to convert it to hex, although they're essentially the same number. rgb(216, 190, 216). - GAMEchief 13:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

List of coloured hats

There's a list of coloured hats with images here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1455845. They're pretty low-quality, should we use them on the hat pages? --Firestorm 03:15, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I believe that some of the higher-quality images should be used unless/until better alternatives come around. I recommend ones such as [1] , [2] , and [3] , where the view is clear and the poses are interesting. --Ashsflames 03:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Does using a Paint Can remove the item's Vintage status?

Because look at how awesome this looks: [4]Michael 12:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Nope.-RJ 00:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I can vouch for this. I painted my Vintage Hustler's Hallmark. It's still Vintage. :) - GAMEchief 13:52, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Undoing Paint

Is it possible to reverse a paint job? Or once painted, can the hat not be reverted to its original color? Ensign Epic 00:41, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

No. You can re-paint it, but not undo it. -RJ 00:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

It would be nice if you could remove the paint off the hats. You shouldn't get the paint back, but an option to remove would be cool.Alinay 00:59, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

This was added in the October 6 patch, I believe. Big G 19:45, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Painted Hatless?

It says that all hats can be painted, but can be hatlesses be painted? They are still headgear afterall. I think it should be noted at least. Mykee92 17:09, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Did you even look at the list? – Smashman_(talk) 17:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed it. I'll be more careful next time. Mykee92 17:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Maybe, if we're lucky, they will add paints to the Sniper and Scout hatless, and maybe Engineer, seeing as he has around 1 mm of hair--TheHamz 15:13, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Pages for the colours?

Just throwing an idea out there, wouldn't it be useful if we had separate pages for the various colours? That way, people who got one colour can see which hat it looks best on. --Tinker 20:01, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Check some of the individual hat pages. A bunch of us have already spent a lot of time doing hat previews. -- Benjamuffin

20:02, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

What I meant was, once we get the hat previews all up, wouldn't it be helpful to group the same-coloured hats on the colour pages as well? Tinker 20:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

That is not a bad idea. We'll consider it. – Smashman_(talk) 21:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I was just thinking about this to. A page for all hats with the same colour is an excellent idea. Boys, we should get cracking! (nanosheep_inc) 04:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Color codes?

Is there a reason colors are listed in hex? The engine uses 0-255 or 0-1 RGB values for everything material related... A Boojum Snark 23:03, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

0-255 and 0-1 RGB values? If I look at the files, it uses single 7-number value to define the color with the 0-255 RGB values written as comments ("value" "7511618" // 114 158 66). -- Vi3trice _(talk) 23:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with using hex. It's probably the most universally recognisable method of communicating colour in computer-related applications (when I first learned about referencing colours on a computer, it was always the hex I dealt with).-RJ 23:25, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the file has color values in large number format (the decimal form of the hex value). However that's quite an odd method that would be ridiculous to list here, but at the same time nowhere is the color represented in it's hex form, only the 255RGB form is mentioned in the comment. One example of what I meant about 0-255 and 0-1 RGB is here, and pretty much every other place developers may encounter a color it will be one of those two forms, that's why I find it strange to list them in hex here. They're also in a column labeled "color", with a background OF the color, so I don't think any difference in recognition between hex or 255RGB (if it exists) is an issue. A Boojum Snark 01:42, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

addendum: I suppose it's worth noting the pink paint can itself even uses the 255RGB form in it's name. A Boojum Snark 01:53, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Black & White Paint Dropping?

I've gotten a lot of reports that says black and white paint can be found randomly without crates. Can anyone confirm this with a screenshot and update the main page? I keep getting conflicting reports. 01:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

People might be confused, because when someone finds it from a crate, it looks similar to a random drop --Firestorm 01:55, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Well I do not know if this is credible, but on http://www.tf2items.com/allitems.php?d=1 it does now show that black and white are findable in the craft system. Also I thought when someone opens a crate, it says "<playername> opened: <item>" ? --Typo001 02:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I believe so... I'll need a screen to be sure though. --Firestorm 02:49, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I've posted on SPUF to see if anybody has received white or black paint via the drop system. If there's a credible amount of reports then I guess it'll be worth sticking in the article.-RJ 12:35, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually, when a player gets a crate item, the chat area ststes "<player> has unboxed: <item>" OddPyro 14:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Change from Hats you can Paint to Hats you can't Paint

Why did this change happen, it was easier to go from the Paint page directly to the hat you would like to see painted than to go to the hat page, forget which hats aren't paintable and just going through each one anyway. I understand there are less un-paintable hats, but usability definitely took a hit. Just my 2cents Rhonlore 03:12, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

User:Pilk/Painted items ;) — Wind 04:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

That's fantastic Wind. Looks like a change has been made anyway, though I approve of both lists! Rhonlore 20:31, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Painted + Named Hats

Since we can now remove paint and names, do we know which is removed first? I named my batter's helmet, then painted it, and when I clicked the "Remove" button, it asked me if I was sure I wanted to unpaint it. But, that was one hat only, so I'm unsure if it's related to the order you put names/paints on. TheMedik 20:53, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Interesting question. We'll do some research. – Smashman_(talk) 21:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Can we change the video to something simplier?

I think having a video with the title "I made Johnny Bravo" encourages other people to add trivia on how similar a painted hat is to pop culture references. I propose we use this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUol8gt5WmM. It's simpler and shorter. ShunyValdez 03:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I second that, seems more appropriate. --Flf4sgam3r 16:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Lack of colour

Is it necessary to point out that there is no red paint? Konoton 01:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC) Konoton 01:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't see that line? Moussekateer 01:54, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

There's no blue either, so that the team colours won't confuse people --Firestorm 02:55, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

@ Mousekateer there isn't one, it's something I was considering adding but I understand why you would think that. Thank you Firestorm for clearing that up.Konoton 04:50, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

"Team spirit" paint was just added with today's update, which will presumably make hats that aren't normally different per-team team-colored, and probably make hats that are already team-colored more pronounced? (Heck I dunno, I haven't even finished downloading the thing yet.) --M2pt5 23:00, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Multiple Paints used on a single hat

I was told in-game today that if you use white paint on a hat multiple times, it gets whiter every time to the point that it becomes its own light source. Is this true? Bnui ransder 10:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

No. -RJ

While we're at it, paint is (unfortunately) not layered at all. It would been awesome to be able to mix colors though. --Ailure 11:13, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Strange thing about trying to translate.

Hello guys. So, I tried to translate the Paint can page to pt-br (brazilian portuguese).

OK, i translated it, but, there's a problem...

When the Paint_Can/pt-br page changes, the original page changes too. So I can't translate it it.

Help? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kenji2298 (talk) • (contribs) 19:47, 10 November 2010

The page Paint_Can/pt-br is currently a redirect to the english version. So you got redirected to the english version and then edited that. I'll move your translation over there. --CruelCow ^(talk) 18:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

Is the fact that the loadout image Radigan Conhager Brown trivia worthy? Smaxx77 19:57, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I didn't notice untill you said, so I think it is. Big G 19:51, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Loadout image? which one? Moussekateer 19:53, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

In the Mann Co. store, the image for "Paint Can" is Distinct lack of Hue. Not sure where Radigan Conhager is... maybe he's thinking the original TF2items.com images or something... not sure. CptObvious 02:50, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Painted Variants

All the hat pages have a massive white space caused by the painted variants table interfering with the Item info box. However, I don't know how to adjust the table. Because it uses a template insert. How can I alter this table? Konoton 17:28, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

The template's designed so it fits fine on a browser window approximately 1024 pixels wide. Any smaller can cause problems, but there's little we can do about that aside from making the images smaller - something I don't think we should do. -RJ 17:33, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Team Spirit, huh?

Hey guys, I think we need a separate page for Team Spirit paint can 'cause it works different if compare it with other cans. SlasHDriveR 10:03, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Team Spirit in one box or two?

Putting them in both in the same box makes an ugly empty space under the black paint. I think it should be reverted to two separate boxes. Ríomhaire 13:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Just putting stuff in illogical extra boxes just because it looks nicer isn't the best of ideas. It's one item, and should be treated as such. --Tinker 15:25, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah it's one item. I can work on making that empty space better (even if it isn't ugly as you say). -- Pilk _(talk) 15:29, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps make it take up both columns, with two full-size side-by-side color boxes? Also, red then blue is probably better, as it's in that order in the icon and the in-game preview box as well. I'm not sure if that's possible though. Unapologetically Bad 19:26, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Teamspirit, what is it

i don't understand how teamspirit paint works. help Jem 16:20, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

A hat painted with it will be red when you're on the RED team and blue when you're on the BLU team. Also please keep your signature next to your comment and not underneath. It makes comments harder to read. Moussekateer 16:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Team Spirit pics for hats (Also, question)

Unless it's considered unnecessary, someone should start taking pictures of hats colored with Team Spirit. Quick question, though- would teamcoloring an already-teamcolored, painted hat be the same as reverting it back to its original teamcolors? (Sorry if the question seems confusing.) Satorifan 19:18, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Pilk is on it. Well painting over a hat removes the previous paint anyway so yes the paint won't do much on team coloured hats. Moussekateer 19:20, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

To clarify (AFAIK), there's some uncertainty surrounding the actual RGB values of the paint colors. Pilk and others (AFAIK again) have been in contact with Robin about it, so screenshots are being delayed for now until the colors are confirmed (otherwise the shots taken may prove to be fairly inaccurate). seb26 [talk] 04:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

216-190-216

"The "216-190-216" in the name of Color No. 216-190-216 is the RGB representation of its hexadecimal color code, #D8BED8."

I removed the second part becuase "216-190-216" is not an RGB representation of the hex colour code, their's no such thing as an RGB representation of a hex colour code. RGB is the mix needed to create the colour, the hex colour code is actually a hexidecimal conversion of the RGB. DragonJTS 04:17, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Whether it be called a representation or a conversion, it's still true that R216, G190, and B216 will create #D8BEB8, and needs to be stated. But, thanks for clearing up the representation/conversion piece. TheMedik 05:04, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

DragonJTS is correct, that line doesn't make much sense: Decimal and Hexadecimal are 2 ways of representing the same numbers: Decimal is base 10 (counting 1-10), Hexadecimal is base 16: 1...10, A(11)...F(16). We don't even need to mention the hexadecimal form as the game always uses it in decimal. I've just added to the end of the line "...that items are painted with", it reads much better. -RJ 09:11, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree with DragonJTS and RJackson... this doesn't need to be stated. The hexadecimal isn't really relevant if it's not what the game uses, like RJackson stated... If it's just representing a different representation of the color, then why are we not posting the CMYK, LAB, HSV, HSL, YUV, YIC, or Pantone color equivalents? Unless we're posting these color conversions for a reason, it doesn't make much sense. I don't see any good reason, so I don't think this should be in there. CptObvious 05:58, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

This was a derp on my behalf. I meant to say that it was good that he cleaned it up, and removed the confusion, but yeah. Medik is silly. TheMedik 06:00, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Alternative Paint Can list

Basically, this:

Image	Name	Color	Availability
	A Deep Commitment to Purple	#7D4071	Purchase, Drop, Uncrate (#2)
	Aged Moustache Grey	#7E7E7E	Purchase, Drop
	Australium Gold	#E7B53B	Purchase, Drop, Uncrate (#2)
	Color No. 216-190-216	#D8BED8	Purchase, Drop, Uncrate (#5)
	Indubitably Green	#729E42	Purchase, Drop
	Mann Co. Orange	#CF7336	Purchase, Drop
	Muskelmannbraun	#A57545	Purchase, Drop
	Noble Hatter's Violet	#51384A	Purchase, Drop
	Peculiarly Drab Tincture	#C5AF91	Purchase, Drop
	Radigan Conagher Brown	#694D3A	Purchase, Drop
	Ye Olde Rustic Colour	#7C6C57	Purchase, Drop
	Zephaniah's Greed	#424F3B	Purchase, Drop
	An Extraordinary Abundance of Tinge	#E6E6E6	Uncrate (#1, #4)
	A Distinctive Lack of Hue	#141414	Uncrate (#1, #3)
80px	Team Spirit	#B8383B	Purchase
80px	Team Spirit	#5885A2	Purchase