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Back Scratcher Demonstration

My first attempt xD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inS4VG9OE4E I noticed no one had done the back scratcher yet so. here it is :) {{subst:void|This template should always be substituted. Please change {{Unsigned}} to {{subst:Unsigned}}}}— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jerico55 (talk) • (contribs) 2024-11-06, 00:55 UTC

OK, not bad for a first attempt, but there are quite a few things that need fixing:
  • It is not HD and 16:9. Make sure to record at a 16:9 resolution greater than or equal to 1280x720.
  • Don't kill the spy. They spy is only there for taunt kills. Since you cannot taunt kill with the rake, the spy should not be in the video at all.
  • Start recording with your mouseover the weapon. You started with the mouse centered, then moved to mouseover it.
  • You need to demonstrate the healing effects of the backscratcher. You're going to need to spawn a health kit and a friendly medic, then take some damage and show how each heal you.
I am watching it with no audio, because I am at work, so I cannot comment on if you did the music correctly. Also, please create new topics at the bottom of the talk page, and sign your posts by putting ~~~~ at the end. Natemckn 15:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the tip, ill try my best to edit it. --Jerico55 15:39, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Here are more things, There's no music and the volume is too low. Shock394 23:02, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Oh wait how to spawn healthkits? i tried googling, i cant seem to found out how, little help? so i can now finish this :) --Jerico55 13:59, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
The only way I can think to do it would be either to use a sourcemod plugin, or go scout and use the candy cane and kill a bot or two before you start recording. Just make sure not to have blood everywhere when you record --Nate (T | C) 14:15, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
riiightt, ill try that --Jerico55 14:39, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Is it ok to use the normal ratio? i dont have a widescreen monitor :(--Jerico55 15:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, in order to keep the videos consistent, all videos must be 16:9 and at least 1280x720 resolution. Depending on your setup, you may be able to run at this resolution windowed for recording. --Nate (T | C) 15:20, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Equalizer

I'm interested in making Equalizer's demonstartion but I can't do it during January. Can someone reserve Equalizer for me? Thanks. Bling1907 - 04 January 2011 8 pm. (UTC)

If you can't do it for the next 3+ weeks, then we're not going to reserve it for you. Reservations are for when someone is currently working on the video, so that we don't end up with two people doing the same one at the same time Natemckn 18:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm preparing the files and others tomorrow and start recording at 14th. Bling1907 - 05 January 2011 1 pm. (UTC)
A little side note: How i can spawn a bot with Equalizer? -Bling1907
You can't :( TF2's bots are quite limited, and it is a shame. Use a human player if you need. But why would you need such a bot for the Equalizer demo? — Wind 12:28, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
You know, to show that you can't healed while holding Equalizer. Many people doesn't know this. Can you belive it? Bling1907
Oh yeah, that's a good point. Get a friend (that should rename himself to "Friendly Soldier" to stand around on the map, I guess. — Wind 16:02, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
But I open the map from console. Can he join my game? Also I have a problem with adding bots. I got the cfg files and type exec weaponref but it doesn't add bots. (I'm bad at controlling game from console) Bling1907 06 January 2011 12 am. (UTC)
Type sv_lan 0, reload the map, and your TF2 client is now a server that your friend can connect to (if you've forwarded the ports correctly). I don't know why the weaponreg file wouldn't work though (did you save it as atxt file? Did you save it as a .cfg file but extensions are hidden so in reality it's a .cfg.txt file?) — Wind 21:13, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Well I'm still trying to add the bots. Thanks for the sv_lan 0 tip. Also bad news for me: 14th changed to 17th. Is it ok? Bling1907 - 7 January 2011 2 pm (UTC)
Uh.. I was saying 'bad news' and appearantly my PC got crashed (I'm writing these from my friends') and I need to re-install everything. Can it 'wait' or..? - Bling

Overall improvement of the quality of the videos

I've pointed out in the last officially released video, the Chargin' Targe's, that the way the weapon was showcased was much better than the previously shown ones.

First of all it clearly shows what the weapon can do, both actively (damage with or without extra heads) and passively (the fire and explosive resistance), by comparing two different situations (as with the Friendly demoman being annihilated while the Targe-wearing one could survive multiple hits), something that in some videos (ex. Pain Train demonstration) wasn't done. Secondly, it shows how the weapon functions in combination with other ones, such as the grenade launcher. Now, while I do understand that videos showing EVERY possible combination would take forever to make, but think about certain combos: for example, what about the Steak + the GRUs, to show that the speed boost doesn't stack? Or what about the Wrangled sentry and minisentry differences? I am not saying you should make every combo, just the most significant ones.

I'd be glad if someone could remake or at least make an addendum to certain old videos, and I'm looking forward to see more videos like Chargin' Targe's.Meower 19:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

After discussing this with Wind, we have decided that this new method of demonstrating resistances/vulnerabilities is much better and will be the standard moving forward. I am going to add a bullet point to the project page describing this, and I'm marking the Pain Train, Southern Hospitality, and Fists of Steel to be redone because of this.
As for using combos in videos, I think they should only be included in rare situations. The targe is the obvious one because you cant use the targe alone, so we had to demonstrate how you can use it with a melee weapon and with the primary weapon. Also the eyelander directly affects the targe's stats, so that had do be demonstrated also. Other situations I can think of would be the bushwacka + jarate, because jarate is needed to use the bushwacka's abilities, the frontier justice + sentries, crit-a-cola + another weapon, etc. Natemckn 22:13, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to point out that Wrangled sentries and minisentries have a completely different rate of fire, or that the GRU+Steak won't stack their effects, or that the Skullcutter will still slow you down, even while you're charging.Meower 22:13, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Getting a Weapon I don't own

How could I give myself a Weapon that I don't own for demonstrating it? --Adam.GameDev 20:58, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit your game files, you read the whole thing? Shock394 21:51, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
I meant what file. --Adam.GameDev 16:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
No need to be condescending about it, Shock394.
Adam.GameDev: You need to modify items_game.txt. There are lots of guides about this on Google and apparently even a program to do it for you — Wind 21:13, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Homewrecker and Bushwacka

So I made 2 new demonstrations, and once again, please correct and help improve my mistakes. Homewrecker Bushwacka 20xx0 01:30, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Homewrecker:
  • Homewrecker not held right after backpack view (switch before opening the backpack)
  • Audio is not balanced (cannot hear the sound of the game)
  • Music is not long enough and loops (pick a longer one)
  • Missed a hit at the teleporter Sapper, making it look like it takes two shots to destroy it
  • Transition too quick after unsapping; wait a second before destroying the Sapper, and wait a second after the Sapper is destroyed
  • Framerate a bit low...
Bushwacka:
  • Bushwacka not held right after backpack view (switch before opening the backpack)
  • Same audio issue
  • Chat text visible at 0:30
  • Framerate a bit low still...
That's it :3 — Wind 03:00, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
One more thing I noticed about the homewrecker, theres a blue engie corpse hanging around on the left at the beginning --Nate (T | C) 03:02, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Bushwacka remade. 20xx0 15:58, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Nice idea to use the afterburn to better show damage vulnerability. However:
  • Music is looping; please pick a longer one that doesn't loop
  • Lift your head a little to better show damage numbers on the Soldier

— Wind 21:13, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Again, The Bushwacka. I picked the longest track, still the final seconds are soundless, so i'm out of ideas. Somehow edit the audio or something? 20xx0 00:44, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Tribalman Shiv, Redone Sticky Bomb Launcher, Loch-N-Load Demonstrations

Blip.tv' still won't cooperate with me (and no, I can't set them as unlisted on Youtube thanks to Egoraptor strike) so here are the files for download... again. http://www.mediafire.com/?xzz3649485famzq Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner 02:56, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

You could simply create a new YouTube account. Anyway, nate will probably review those~ — Wind 03:00, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I guess I'll just waste some of my unlimited fast bandwidth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN3bJTBL-k8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDyvEpEPS9c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZvSqbOIxZo
--Nate (T | C) 03:22, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
They all look good, save one thing: The (ugly, if I may) non-default cursor in backpack view... Other than that: Show a fully charged sticky shot, show sticky jumping, show self-damage for the SL; move a bit away from the barrier in the LnL one when taunting, so that the Demoman's whole model is visible — Wind 03:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Added Golden Wrench

--Jessecar96 04:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I added a Golden Wrench demo. No, I don't have it, I modified items_game

Here's the video

I might redo it because I forgot i had net_graph on.

I'll be making a bunch more soon. Any other suggestions?

There's lots of problems with this, but the one that everyone else without a real Golden Wrench has had is that the backpack preview model is a regular wrench. Try it out~ — Wind 04:56, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Tribalman's Shiv, Flamethrower and Huntsman

Here's the Tribalman's Shiv demonstration. I filmed it without knowing it was already done by The Jungle Expeditioner, and it's my own fault for not reserving it in the first place, but I decided to upload it anyway. The differences are that the Shiv is not vintage (although I have one) and the death by bleeding out is shown more clearly. Again, I apologize to the original maker of the demonstration that I did mine without knowing it was already done. To prevent this from happening again, I'd like to reserve the Huntsman and the Flamethrower. I will inlcude advanced tactics like igniting the sniper's arrow (in both vids from different perspectives), pinning enemies to walls with the Huntsman; reflecting various projectiles (namely stickies and grenades, to show that the former can be blown away after being planted and the latter no longer damage you or your team), igniting invisible and disgused spies, extinguishing teammates. I also plan to demonstrate the flamethrower damage falloff in respect to the distance - on the Pyro, so the afterburn damage won't get in the way. - Zhnigo 19:17, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Your demonstration looks better than Akuago220's IMO, so yours should be uploaded if there is a choice to make. Right now though, both demonstrations aren't satisfactory yet~ (In your case, there's a slight delay at the end staring at the grate, and you should lift your head a little to better show damage values).
If you can pull off all of that for the Flamethrower and Huntsman demos, that would be pretty epic. Please reserve them~ (Page isn't locked) — Wind 21:13, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
The second version of the Shiv. - Zhnigo 04:59, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Looks good, please upload the original~ — Wind 05:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Shiv demo ready for downloading,Flamethrower demo, Huntsman demo. - Zhnigo 16:10, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh wait, the Huntsman demo doesn't have music. Silly me. - Zhnigo 16:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
The flamethrower was done already, what's wrong with it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcmD2vW79-E -- User Swordz Swordz.pngSwordzUser Swordz Swordz.png (talk | contribs) 16:17, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Shiv video uploaded --Nate (T | C) 16:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Should I change something else in the Huntsman video while adding the music to it? Is the flamethrower video ok? - Zhnigo 06:03, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Since there's no feedback I'll just upload the huntsman with music. This video differs from the one that is already up at the huntsman page in that it shows differences in headshot damage corresponding to arrow drawing time, the ability to draw in midair, walk with the arrow drawn, have the arrow lit by a pyro and also pin the ragdoll to a wall. :) The differences in the flamethrower video are: damage falloff demonstration with distance, igniting cloaked and disguised spies, blowing stickies away and again igniting a friendly sniper's arrow. Please respond, I'm waiting for a couple of days now. - Zhnigo 04:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Shots are good; however, please place the heavy somewhere distinct (not exactly behind the Pyro); for example, in front of the yellow barrels next to the Soldier. For the final "target" shot, you showed the "shakey" trajectory but not the usual one; you need to show the usual non-charged one (big arc) and the fully charged one (small arc) as well. Additionally, the "shakey" trajectory's offset from the usual one is random, so try to get a shot for which the trajectory differs a lot. There are some white splotches of color in one frame during the middle of the transition after the tauntkill, and an audio/video "freeze" when the demoman gets arrowed by 0:56. Let the afterburn finish. And then pin him mercilessly like you did~ Thanks, that's a big demonstration — Wind 04:56, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer. :) The huntsman demo, corrected. What about the flamethrower? - Zhnigo 07:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Not sure about placing the Heavy instead of the Medic... Could you keep the regular placement, just add the heavy somewhere else? If you feel like redoing it, that is. Flamethrower one is really cool. Can't listen to its audio right now, but the video looks perfect. Please upload the original if the audio is correct — Wind 14:44, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Nnnghhhhnot sure if I feel like redoing it. :) If it is that important, hovewer, I will. Is it?
As of now, here are the huntsman and flamethrower ready for download. - Zhnigo 16:55, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
So should I redo it with the heavy near the soldier or not? - Zhnigo 16:00, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
IMHO its fine. I'll upload them when I get home from work. --Nate (T | C) 16:05, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Huntsman done, Flamethrower going up right now --Nate (T | C) 18:57, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Flamethrower done. Good work. --Nate (T | C) 19:14, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Candy Cane Demo.

[1] 30 seconds, only killing with the cane. [2] 30 sec using different weapons also.

I know Ill have to record these again later so just tell me what to do differently. Please and thank you. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elgin U1613 (talk) • (contribs)

Alright:
  • Has "www.fraps.com" on top
  • Has no music
  • Backpack view is wrong (no model rotation, no weapon selection thingy)
  • Doesn't use modified HudDamageAccount.res
  • Doesn't show taunt (completely)
  • Doesn't show increased explosive damage vulnerability
I suggest you look at the current Candy Cane demo, as there is nothing wrong with it (shows damage vulnerability and everything) except the weapon model — Wind 05:33, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

— Wind 05:33, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

The "www.fraps.com" thing shows that he's using the free version, buy it or change the recorder. Shock394 04:26, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Original Poster EDIT...

  • Major Problem: Using free version
  • Reason: I'm Cheap
  • Solutions: Stop being cheap OR Leave it to the pros.

Sorry but I just don't have the money for it at the moment.. Maybe when I get out of school and get a job. T _T --Elgin F. 20:58, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Sydney Sleeper (redone)

Remade the Sydney Sleeper, now with the new kill icon. And looking at the list of weapons that need to be redone, I was wondering if anyone can redo the videos, or the ones who made the videos originally. And once I'm making a new section, I'll just repost my latest link to the Bushwacka video, which hasn't seem to have gotten any response. 20xx0 18:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

The ones that need to be redone can be done by anyone, just make sure you mimic the video as close as possible while fixing the things listed.
Your Sydney Sleeper video looks good. I am watching without sound right now, so assuming you fixed the unbalanced audio issue you had earlier, you can go ahead and upload that and I will add it to the channel.
The Bushwacka one also looks good, but it needs the new kill icon. You showed the fire vulnerability very well. Again, I can't comment on the sound or music. --Nate (T | C) 18:25, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Here's the download link for the Sydney Sleeper. I'll post the Bushwacka video as soon as I'm back. 20xx0 19:24, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Sydney Sleeper video is uploaded --Nate (T | C) 19:34, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Wait wait wait, the Sydney Sleeper video has the wrong taunt at the end. Toomai Glittershine 19:44, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
D: You're right! --Nate (T | C) 19:45, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
For the Bushwacka, stick the music so that the end of the music is at the end of the video. It's better to leave music out of the backpack view rather than out of the rest of the video. I've done that for the Wrangler demonstration~ — Wind 19:36, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I just noticed that in the Bushwacka video, during the first kill there's a blue sniper corpse in the background, but it disappears by the second kill, so do I have to redo it, or it isn't that big of a problem?Take a look for yourselves. And here's the Sydney Sleeper (this time I got the taunt right!) Also I had free time so I remade the Frying Pan, but I once again fear that the audio is not balanced, but I'll redo it as soon as you take a look at it and point out any other mistakes.20xx0 21:05, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it is a problem, also given the copious amount of blood already on the barrels and on the floor in that video. Ideally, the stage should be all clean in demonstrations. One or two blood splatters is fine, as it's not quite easy and it's a hassle to reload the map every time. But a non-natural corpse and yellow barrels turned red is a bit too much, sorry :( Could you upload the original for the Sydney Sleeper? And the audio is indeed not balanced, as there is a bit of fuzz/cracking in the frying pan "BONG" sounds — Wind 00:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Fair enough, here's the download link. Expect the Bushwacka and Frying Pan in the near future (again). And since I am new to this whole Wiki thing, I keep having questions. Right now I'd like to know if I have the permission to reserve a weapon for demonstration, or do I have to report it here and someone will reserve it for me? 20xx0 00:58, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Just edit the page and add yourself — Wind 02:43, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Soo, did my Sydney Sleeper get uploaded yet? No rush, I'll wait. In the meantime, here's the Frying Pan, now with balanced audio! 20xx0 11:45, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
And once again, The Bushwacka, and a redone Black Box. 20xx0 18:28, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Sydney Sleeper v3 uploaded --Nate (T | C) 22:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Bushwacka: Okay save for the fact that the bot is named "Friendly_Sniper" (should be a space, not an underscore). Frying Pan looks ok, please upload original~ Black Box doesn't show splash damage well enough (only shows it on the Medic by the end but it's hard to see), forgot to reload at the end, and there's a long black screen at the end of the video — Wind 22:09, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Frying pan download, Bushwacka v8 or something and if I manage to make new videos, shall I put them in this section or make a new one ? 20xx0 15:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm uploading the Frying Pan video right now. As for new videos, I would say new sections, just so that it is easier to follow the discussion/feedback on each one. Since you are getting quite good at this, for future videos feel free to post the youtube link and the download link together, so I can upload them faster (assuming this isn't terribly inconvenient for you). --Nate (T | C) 15:58, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I still don't have the opinion on the Bushwacka and the recently uploaded Frying Pan cuts off the last 8 seconds or so. 20xx0 17:29, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm at work so I can't give a good review of your Bushwacka video right now. As for the Frying Pan, I unlisted it and will try reuploading it when I get home and have better internet. I'm assuming its not a problem with the file, its probably a bad download (my work has really poor internet connection) --Nate (T | C) 17:38, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
OK, reuploaded and not cut off. I guess I learned my lesson about trying to upload videos while at work--Nate (T | C) 21:21, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
But what about the Bushwacka video? It seems to be forgotten. 20xx0 18:06, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
It looks good, but Wind mentioned in your other section that there is an audio glitch when hitting the pyro. Can you fix that please? --Nate (T | C) 18:43, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Bushwacka, I think I've made almost 10 of these, but the last ones have been all the same video file, I just custom added the hit sounds, they still don't sound right, but I'm hoping for the best. If this also doesn't get accepted, I should probably redo it for 1 more time. 20xx0 20:14, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Still the same audio bug the first time you hit the Pyro (0:05), the sound "skips". It's the only thing wrong with it D: — Wind 21:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I made a Bushwacka, hoping to stop this section from overflowing with Bushwacka links. Also how can I put a space in a bots name? If I do, it will only give the bot the name of the first word before the space. 20xx0 11:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Put quotes around the name — Wind 22:31, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I'll do it when I need to but as you can see, I edited out the underscore and there's no audio bug, so is the video OK? 20xx0 09:29, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Well that's nicely done but it's still visible for a moment when you hover the bot, and it's also visible in the kill feed on the top right. So yes it's a (lettle) problem~ Also, you can make it not swing his knife when the Pyro fires, by using bot_forcefireweapon. — Wind 17:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
It makes the Pyro shoot the flamethrower continously, so I can't show afterburn. I tried the command "bind o bot_forcefireweapon tf_weapon_flamethrower" and then "bind p bot_forcefireweapon tf_weapon_flame" to make the Pyro begin shooting and then quickly stop, but they didn't work. Since I'm not the best at using the console, could anyone tell me what did I do wrong in these bind commands? 20xx0 18:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
You must put quotes around the commands to bind. (
bind o "bot_forcefireweapon tf_weapon_flamethrower"
, 
bind p "bot_forcefireweapon tf_weapon_flame"
) — Wind 02:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Xfire?

Just reading the guidelines for creating these videos again, and I noticed you mention FRAPS and WeGame, but not Xfire? Shouldn't it maybe be added so that people don't have to feel compelled to use one of the two that are already there? And maybe also clarify that it needs to be a licensed full version of FRAPS, not the free trial. TheChrisD Rants•Edits 21:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Whatever works, as long as it doesn't look like crap — Wind 00:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
From my experience, Xfire tends to look like crap. I wouldn't recommend it. -- GenCoolio Never Trade Ever (talk | contribs) 06:23, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Amputator - new kill icon

Amputator demonstration with the new kill icon - on youtube and the original. - Zhnigo 06:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Looks good, uploaded --Nate (T | C) 22:26, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Who needs a 2nd person?

For those of you that could use a second person in one of these demonstration vids, I'll help out. http://steamcommunity.com/id/zippy38 Zippy 06:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Golden Wrench

My second attempt at a demonstration video. I feel that this one is much better than my first, but I guess that's up for you to judge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k70NqsG3imA

It has the option for 720p HD and Closed Captioning. Thoughts? I-ghost 22:04, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

That's a lot better yes, but the same flaw as other golden wrenches is still there: In the backpack view avatar thing in the center, he is holding a Wrench, not a Golden Wrench. I'm starting to think it does that for real GWs too, but I'm not sure — Wind 00:27, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the backpack view: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1711778
Whilst this has confirmed my suspicions, I feel that only a true Golden Wrench owner would be able to give the undeniable truth in the matter.i-ghost 19:14, 12 January 2011 (UTC) (sorry forgot to sign)
Well, wouldn't it be possible to copy the golden wrench material and to overwrite the regular wrench material with it? — Wind 18:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I'll have a try at that once I finish encoding the new Invis Watch\Timepiece demos.i-ghost 19:14, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

GRU and Black Box

Gloves of Running Urgently : Video, download.
Black Box : Video, download.
20xx0 17:27, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Might wanna double check that GRU youtube link. As for the black box, it looks good to me (though I have no sound right now) --Nate (T | C) 21:29, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
That's a Bushwacka demo... Which has an audio glitch (the first time the Pyro is hit, the pyro's sound skips a bit). As for the Black Box one, you forgot to shoot the target at the back — Wind 23:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Awww sorry, that's what i get for working with multiple videos at the same time. GRU link updated.20xx0 15:42, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
But is it necessary to shoot the target at the back? I know it's in the guidelines to shoot, but I've seen some other videos that don't do that either. But if it's important, I'll add it to the video. 20xx0 19:16, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it is important (except for melee weapons, obviously). If you've seen a video that doesn't do it, please say which! They need to be fixed too. Also, for the GRU, it would be nice if, after killing everyone, you switched to the Minigun and walked around the room, then switched to the GRU and do the same path (but faster because of the GRU). That would show the speed difference well. I know the current GRU demonstration doesn't show that, and that's a problem). Or even better, if your video program allows it: Start on one corner of the map and walk to a specific point of the map, one time with the Fists and another time with the GRU, then put those two side-by-side. — Wind 20:57, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Or have a bot heavy with the minigun mimic you and race to show the speed difference --Nate (T | C) 20:59, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Remade GRU, I know, I could've made the comparison a lot better, but I hope this will do also. 20xx0 19:31, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Remade Black Box and since I have the time, I (again) remade the GRU, showing the speed difference in a different way. Just watch this one and the one before and say which one is better. 20xx0 10:51, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I much prefer that method of showing the GRU speed, and the black box one looks good to me. Could you post download links for these? I'll upload them once I run them past Wind, but I don't think he will catch anything. Great job. --Nate (T | C) 19:52, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Black Box download, GRU download. 20xx0 20:18, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Both are uploaded and live :D --Nate (T | C) 21:10, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

The Backburner (Reupload)

So i made my first weapon demonstration video. Please help me correct my mistakes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGz2zJqjDok {{subst:void|This template should always be substituted. Please change {{Unsigned}} to {{subst:Unsigned}}}}— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Glowz (talk) • (contribs) 2024-11-06, 00:55 UTC

Thanks for the effort but there definitely some issues that need addressing:
  • 1) The size of video. Videos must be at least 1280x720 and 16:9 ratio, which will eliminate the black bars on the sides and top that yours currently has.
  • 2) The pyro's pose in the first part. There isn't really a standard for this, as long as you can see the pyro and the weapon being demonstrated. In yours, the backburner is coming straight at the camera which obscures the view. Click and drag to rotate it a bit.
  • 3) As for the demonstration itself, this one can definitly be done in one take:
* Burn the pyro, then burn the pyro a bit from behind.
* Burn the soldier and show the afterburn damage/duration. Then kill the soldier from the back.
* Kill the medic from the front.
  • 4) The spy shouldn't be visable at any point (you can remove him completely if you are having trouble with this).

If you can fix all those things, you will be much closer (if not perfect). Good luck --Nate (T | C) 20:09, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

More things:

  • The framerate is quite low (video is not smooth).
  • The audio is unbalanced. The in-game audio sounds fuzzy (it sounds like it was clipped, then the volume was reduced on the clipped version) {{subst:void|This template should always be substituted. Please change {{Unsigned}} to {{subst:Unsigned}}}}— The preceding unsigned comment was added by WindPower (talk) • (contribs) 2024-11-06, 00:55 UTC


Okay here is the redone video. Link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTx9AY1ISSI. Glowz 19:39, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Still some things~
  • Framerate is still kind of low
  • Corpses fall in slow motion... What?
  • Considering the recently-redone video demonstration of the Flamethrower, the Backburner demonstration should also show some of these features (damage depends on flame distance, you can light up huntsman arrows, etc)

— Wind 21:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Invisibility Watch / Enthusiast's Timepiece

Here's another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F92QJ1d6KE4 (Edit: OLD)

I tried to demonstrate comprehensively how invisibility works in-game. Thoughts?I-ghost 22:33, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Video's too long, passed one minute, the video is 2:26. Shock394 23:42, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
The official upload of the Shotgun is 2:40 and the Chargin' Targe surpasses the one minute mark, and there was a lot of ground to cover with this video.I-ghost 23:58, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Going over a minute is ok when necessary. It's more of a guideline. Your video did include a ton of content and I'm gonna watch it a few more times and try to see what bits you could cut out or shorten. I really like it, but it is quite long in comparison to the rest of them. --Nate (T | C) 00:01, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Very good effort, showing almost everything that's important to know. But there are problems:

  • Don't taunt at the end; there's no taunt associated with the watch so don't do any of them.
  • Good show with disguising while invisible, but may want to show that the smoke clouds don't go away if you disguise before you're completely invisible. Maybe.
  • Custom teleporter particles should go away; that part can also be cut a bit.
  • You showed flickering on bump, but not flickering on damage. Shoot the RED Spy when he's insivible and/or let him shoot you. Also shows that invisible Spies don't say "ow".

Yeah, it's pretty long, but for things like this there's nothing you can do about it. Toomai Glittershine 00:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

First, let me say that this looks really awesome and the effort that was put in it shows (even doing a custom loop for the music). However, there are indeed problems with it, other than what others have said:

  • Length: While the 1-minute mark is not strictly enforced, 2 minutes and a half is a bit too much for a single weapon (Shotgun one demonstrate the same thing for 4 classes so it's obviously 4 times as long as it should be). To shorten it, you could cut some things. For example, no need to show the cloak recovery from all 3 types of ammo boxes (one is enough; probably best to choose the middle one). You could also spend less time demonstrating the Sentry detection thing, and merge it with the get-cloak-from-dispenser thing: cloak, go in front of the sentry, hang around for a second, disguise, show cloak recovery from dispenser, undisguise while cloaked, uncloak, take a bit of damage, recloak, exit.
  • PLDX particles: I know they look great, but all videos should use unmodified versions of everything (except the HudDamageAccount.res file).
  • Consistency: Specifically, consistency between all the Spy watches videos here. Since this is such a content-heavy video, all Spy watches video should be of the same format ideally. Thus, would you mind doing the other Spy watches' demonstrations? (Not now, of course, but later) Specifically, the Enthusiast's Timepiece should be identical.
  • Running out of cloak: This is not demonstrated in the video, but it needs to be, because all other watches behave differently (Cloak and Dagger doesn't force-uncloak, and Dead Ringer makes a special sound). Thus, for consistency, all Spy watches videos should demonstrate their running-out-of-cloak behavior. — Wind 01:17, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for doing this, and keep up the good work. — Wind 01:17, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the feedback guys, I'm in the process of making the new version. I just have a small question; I've noticed that the Jarate and Flamethrower videos do not demonstrate the ability to reveal cloaked spies and that Mad Milk does not even have a video. Do you want me to make an addendum of sorts to this video demonstrating the revealing abilities of both fluids and Flamethrower, or should that be restricted to the respective weapons?i-ghost 12:40, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I feel that should be parts of the jarate, mad milk, flamethrower, etc, videos. The jarate one is currently marked to be redone because it didn't include a cloaked spy, and I saw someone was working on was waiting for me to upload a flamethower video that included a cloaked spy. And its one less thing you need to include in this (already long) video. --Nate (T | C) 13:04, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
"Someone working on a flamethrower video"? The video is long since ready and waiting for someone to upload it. :) - Zhnigo 16:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Sorry about that, fixed. Yours will be uploaded in a few hours when I get home from work --Nate (T | C) 16:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I've taken your suggestions into consideration and done both the invisibility watches.

Invis Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=394PaOxP1t0 (Edit: OLD) Enthusiast's Timepiece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKRkYkRM024 (Edit: OLD)

Thoughts? i-ghost 22:31, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but you don't seem to have the modified HudDamageAccount.res in place D: The damage number is red and small. Also, step back a bit before destroying the teleporter, because some fragments of the teleporter fly into you and recharge your cloak, making it feel like you are restoring cloak because the teleporter broke, rather than from the fragment of said teleporter. Also, bot name shouldn't have underscores (Should be Friendly Spy; use quotes to make it know that it's a single argument). — Wind 22:37, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok, here's the latest versions of both which use correct bot names, huddamageaccount.res and is distanced from the teleporter when exploding:

Invis Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrSr06YnZ-E Enthusiast's Timepiece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZzZFK2qisk

These should be ok now, right? :3 i-ghost 14:13, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for accepting these videos, download link is here: http://www.mediafire.com/?v1b2efz50isgl6n i-ghost 11:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Uploaded--Nate (T | C) 00:52, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Sandman and Minigun

Made 2 new demonstrations. Once again please help me correct my mistakes. Minigun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=570k8f6_p0Y Sandman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cwh7zrh8rQ Glowz 20:34, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Sandman: Use the spy to tauntkill, not the Medic. I checked other videos and it shows a response.
Minigun: Shoot at the target.
Those are the only ones I can find. Shock394 23:02, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Alright:
  • Both videos: Framerate is low and the audio is unbalanced (in-game audio is not loud enough compared to the music, and feels like it was clipped as it has a fuzz to it)
  • Both videos: Music end (abruptly) 1 second before the video does. Either add a fade until the end of the video, or let the music keep going until the end of the video
  • Minigun: Move closer to the wooden barrier. This is because the Minigun's muzzleflash has a bug which makes the muzzleflash look weird with the wooden barrier's top part. If you move closer to the barrier, this bug will be hidden.
  • Minigun still: Show complete spin-up/spin-down animations (giving time for the barrel to completely stop spinning)
  • Minigun: Show movement speed difference when revved up
  • What Shock394 said (by "shoot at the target" he means "Shoot at the cardboard target at the back")

— Wind 21:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

As for the Sandman, as mentioned somewhere else (possibly in the actual WDP article, don't feel like finding it again) it might be a good idea to do the tauntkill in a way that it shows how far the body files. —烏Γ (kaw at me), 05:31, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Wrench

My first attempt. Tired my hardest to fallow the standards. I also demonstrated that the wrench speeds up buildings by hitting them, which I think should be part of it. If you don't like it I can remove it.

If you like it I"ll put a download link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz5LVUSEGE4 KingofKoopas 06:09, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I think it should also show upgrading and repairing a building. 20xx0 06:34, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Good idea. however I can record till Friday, so till then I'll reserve this weapon. In the mean time please tell me how I can improve the video. If there aren't any problems quality wise I'll record a bunch of these on Friday.KingofKoopas 06:47, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, but if I may speak, it'll look better and more obvious if instead of picture-in-picture you'll make a vertical split-screen. :) Secondly, the admins have scolded me for not keeping the character's head high enough so that damage numbers can be seen more clearly. And lastly, are you sure it's native 16:9? The video looks stretched horizontally. :)
P.S. Damn, I just wanted to reserve the wrench to myself. Well, I'll stick with the Jag. - Zhnigo 17:08, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

1: Yes split screen would work. I'll see what I can do about that. 2: While I don't think that's a problem I can see where your coming from. I kinda want to do a re record anyway as I didn't have multicore rendering on so I got slower frames then I wanted. 3: Yes it is stretched. You see my monitor is kinda funky and it's 16:10 1689 1060. I can easily convert this to 720, but I really didn't want to as I think it looks kinda weird. However if it looks stretched I'll convert it to 720 on my second take.

Thanks for the tips. I'll keep this stuff in mind, and I think I'll also be doing a bunch of these on Friday.

Also is filesize of any important? The one for my first take was 181 MB. KingofKoopas 17:58, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

You can get a 16:9 720p output on any monitor, be it 16:10 or 4:3, if you launch TF2 in a window. The launch options to use are "-windowed -w 1280 -h 720" and optionally "-noborder". Concerning the filesize, you'll get an adequate size if you use the x264 codec. As stated on the project page, "It is recommended to use x264vfw, single-pass, quantizer-based, with q smaller than or equal to 20". :) - Zhnigo 18:57, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I've seen several people already who were complaining that their monitors don't support 720p, so maybe a note about windowed mode is worth being posted at the project page? - Zhnigo 19:18, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, however I can't find the codec for use in Sony Vegas, Help? KingofKoopas 19:18, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

You can export the video from Vegas in uncompressed, or better yet, lossless format (I'm using the lagarith codec), and then recompress it with some simple converter like VirtualDub. :) - Zhnigo 19:20, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Alright I'll give that a shot. I find it weird in Sony vegas the dimensions are way bigger then 720, yet they still need to be stretched. But I'll play along. Edit: How do i export it as uncompressed or with that codec. (I have it installed)KingofKoopas 19:27, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Your monitor should support 1980x945, which one might call "midway between 720p and 1080p", so use that if you can. Or the whole 1920x1080 if that works somehow. Bigger resolution is better, as long as the framerate doesn't suffer (which doesn't seem to be a problem in your video). If you've installed x264vfw, it should show up in Vegas's codecs list (it's what I use). You shouldn't worry about file size, as YouTube supports up to 2 GB for videos; so yes, you can go for H264-lossless if you want. My (lossless 1080p) demonstrations weigh about 200 MB if you need an idea, but it doesn't matter since our dear natemckn has unlimited bandwidth to upload them. As for the video contents, you should either split-screen completely (rather than using a small non-aligned corner), or not using splitscreen at all have a bot building it a building in the background while only one of you uses the Wrench. I also recommend using a Dispenser instead of a Sentry Gun, because it takes longer to build than a Sentry Gun (so the difference is more visible) and it is clear when its construction is finished (the screen lights up, whereas the teleporter does nothing) — Wind 21:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Alright if that's the case I'll just use my monitors normal native resolution and then render it in 720. I'll see how that works and I'll just continue to render videos the way I normally do. Should be smaller by rendering in 720 anyhow. I'll be sure to get my video up on youtube by tomorrow sometime. KingofKoopas 22:17, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Earlier then I thought but v2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDiaqODKHRc

Splitscreen isn't perfect but it's my first go at it and it serves it purpose. Also demonstrated upgrading,repairing and that it can destroy sappers. Hope this is a little better. This took me a while to make and drove me to insanity trying to get the splitscreen to work. KingofKoopas 01:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

This still looks stretched; did you really record in a 16:9 resolution? If you recorded at your monitor's native resolution and your monitor's resolution isn't 16:9, then no.
Math time~ Your monitor's native resolution is "1689x1060" (hint: it's probably not that; I have yet to see odd-number resolutions). Take the largest "conventional" video width that is smaller than or equal to your monitor's width ("conventional" video widths are 1920, 1680, 1280), multiply it by 9, then divide it by 16. The number you get is the height that your video should be. Do NOT resize the video; record it at the correct resolution straight away; so set your game's resolution to that, then record. If you run your game full-screen and use a ratio that does not correspond to your monitor's ratio, then the picture on your monitor will obviously look horribly deformed; however, the resulting video, assuming your recording program records pixels as 1:1 squares, will look fine.
Other than that, the demo is better, but still some things to fix:
  • Splitscreen isn't synchronized (you probably guessed that one already). Synchronize the two sequences using the first frame where you see the Dispenser model as keyframe.
  • It is probably a better idea to show upgrading on a Sentry, because the visual difference between building levels is a lot clearer
  • Wait a bit after upgrading to level 2 (before upgrading to level 3)
  • Wait a bit after destroying the Sapper (before repairing the damage caused by the Sapper)

— Wind 02:17, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Alright I'll used the windowed settings before. Just did a test and ti works without stretching. I doubt I'll be able to 100% synchronized but I'll get it as close as I can. Thanks for all the tips, I'll get started on another take tomorow :)KingofKoopas 02:28, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Take 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=286MeMjGpeI If this is good for upload I'll post a link. The file is about 188 mb. Hope that isn't to big. KingofKoopas 06:32, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


I realize there's a video glitch in one of the transitions. Made another copy and is fixed. KingofKoopas 20:45, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Take 3 looks quite good. Fix the glitch in the transition and the custom cursor and I think its perfect. --Nate (T | C) 04:56, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Took me 5 tries but here's a download link http://www.mediafire.com/file/u2hy73c7d4hy682/wrenchfinal.avi KingofKoopas 19:42, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Uploaded --Nate (T | C) 20:19, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Jag

Actually I wanted to make a video for the regular wrench, but KingofKoopas is already working on it, so i'll switch to the Jag. The Jag was reserved almost a month ago, and it's stil not done, so I figure it's okay if I do it. The plan is: first a regular melee demo, then a splitscreen comparison between the jag and the normal wrench. Should I also include the comparison of upgrading a building to show no difference in upgrading speed? - Zhnigo 17:25, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Not trying to put you down, but remember that the Jag only uses like 12/30 percent of it's bonus. It's only a matter of time before it gets patched and you'll have to do another take. Just my two cents. KingofKoopas 17:59, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. Anyway, I've already started and it'll be easy to rerecord one part of the video later when this will be patched, like with the Amputator, so I'll continue. :) - Zhnigo 19:00, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

The jag demo, version 1. - Zhnigo 21:19, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I like it. how big was the file? Want to get a general idea of how big the files can be. KingofKoopas 21:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Pretty cool; video glitches at the top of the screen when you give the killing blow to the Medic (some weird lines show up during one frame); very minor audio glitch during the transition in the middle. Other than that, it does what it should do, so it's good~ — Wind 21:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Both glitches corrected, download link. This particular video ended up being 39 Mb compressed or 833 Mb uncompressed. :) - Zhnigo 04:46, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Uploaded --Nate (T | C) 17:05, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Vita Saw, Loch-n-Load, Homewrecker, Fontier Justice

I'd like to reserve these weapons if possible. Thanks. KingofKoopas 18:04, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Reserve them yourself, page isn't locked~ — Wind 21:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Isn't four at a time a bit too much? I wanted to do the Homewrecker myself, so could you please work on the other three before taking the homewrecker on, if you have a choice? :) Thanks. - Zhnigo 22:19, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Sure not a problem. These aren't hard to make so I wanted to do these on Friday. But sure go ahead and do the homewrecker. :) KingofKoopas 01:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Did my First takes. not perfect and I can improve on them. Post them as there uploaded

-Loch-n-Load http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1ZvEJdM1oU KingofKoopas 03:25, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Not bad, but a few minor issues:
* Custom cursor. (Is that a knife?)
* The Stickybomb counter is glitched, just lay/detonate one to fix it
* There is blood everywhere before you even start. Try to have a (mostly) clean map. --Nate (T | C) 04:00, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes it's a knife. If that's a problem I won't bother doing this anymore cause that means I need to re-record every last bit of my footage.

Vita Saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJmo04jVqRo KingofKoopas 03:54, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

* knife cursor
* look up a bit to see the damage
* your ubercharge bar doesn't look full before you die --Nate (T | C) 04:04, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Ubercharge bar I don't know. it says 100% though.

Ok I won't bother posting anymore videos. I'm going to re-record the first parts in order to get rid of my cursor. Want to also have a look at my wrench video? Haven't gotten any feedback on v3 yet. KingofKoopas 04:36, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Uploaded take two of my demonstrations.

Loch-n-load http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx3KaR-4d0M

Vita-saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzzdS2NEPTc

Frontier Justice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-om3pBi0Bk

Candy Cane http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2tn74sw03Q KingofKoopas 19:45, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

The first three look good to me, I sent them to Wind to see if he sees/hears something that I missed. I especially like how the frontier justice shows that a kill = 2 crits while an assist = 1 crit. The candy cane demo needs to show the explosive vulnerability better. You can do this one of two ways, either by having a friendly bot take the same shots as you to show the difference, or record you taking a rocket with the bat equipped then the same shot with the candy cane, and show them side by side to show the difference. The way you have it, its tough for users to see what the difference is. --Nate (T | C) 20:45, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I was just going by the previous candy cane demo. I'll see what I can do. Give me the pass and I"ll put a download for the first 3. KingofKoopas 22:05, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Loch-n-Load is good~
  • Vita-saw: The angle in the backpack view hides the little liquid tank thing of the saw. Might wanna change that... Also, it needs to show that you don't need to be holding the Vita-saw when dying in order to keep the 20%, and that you don't have to have full uber to have 20%. I'd suggest getting killed at like 75% while holding the Syringe Gun~
  • Frontier Justice: Needs to show that you can get crits when your Sentry Gun is destroyed by enemies; you don't have to demolish it yourself (to do that, have a soldier kill the sentry in the part where you show 1 kill = 2 crits). Also, forgot to reload at the end
  • Candy Cane: Also good if it weren't for forgetting to reload (twice) and for the damage comparison thing, yes. I know the current demo doesn't compare them, but it's much better if it does. Also, in order to show that you don't need to be wielding the Cane for additional damage vulnerability, I'd take the bat/candy cane, then switch to the Scattergun, then get shot.

— Wind 22:31, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Alright I'll get to work on fixing these. Loch-n-Load will come up later tonight --The preceding unsigned comment was added by KingofKoopas (talk) • (contribs)


Loch-n-Load download http://www.mediafire.com/?gstyinb137xdyu9 KingofKoopas 23:39, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Take 2: Candy Cane http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcQwpJ7wGb0 (Couldn't do a splitscreen becuase of health and weapon placement) Vita Saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV4POMuJN2w Frontier Justice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ7qn4HUV5w

Also did my first takes of the Blutsauger and Degreaser.

Degreaser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CHvxM3fTSA Blusauger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty9UFA62uEM (Wanted to show health regeneration but again becuase of weapon and health placement I couldn't do a splitscreen.) KingofKoopas 02:20, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Vita Saw and Frontier Justice all look good to me.
  • Candy Cane: Try doing a horizontal split screen. That way both health and weapon are visible. If doing it horizontally hides the Soldier, then give more room to the bottom (Candy Cane) one; if there is only one soldier, as long as the explosion is simultaneous, it's easy enough to understand that both Scouts have gotten rawkit'd.
  • Degreaser: Show variable DPS based on distance (see the Flamethrower demo). Also show how fast you can shoot a Shotgun shot after switching, then go back to the Flamethrower and start burning again immediately. Also, name the bot "Friendly Sniper", not Bot14
  • Blutsauger: Chat text visible at 0:06. You can also do a horizontal split-screen comparison like the Candy Cane here~ — Wind 02:52, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Downloads coming soon.

Take 2 of Degreaser and Blutsauger and Candey Cane.

Degreaser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvWSPJlt8v4 Candy Cane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK98hXK2iB8 Bluesauger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqMApirc5jo KingofKoopas 05:11, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Download links up!

Frontier Justice http://www.mediafire.com/?0k9dq8j8e0k76mu Vita Saw http://www.mediafire.com/?sl3mhhbmsmhuu63 KingofKoopas 06:25, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Degreaser: Chat text visible at 0:50 D:
Candy Cane: In the comparison part, the Candy Cane Scout has 123 health rather than 125
Blutsauger is good, please upload~ — Wind 07:24, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Darn it! I thought I got all the bugs ironed out for the degreaser. Oh well that's like 10 seconds of recording. I'll fix it up tomorrow. KingofKoopas 09:48, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Anyhow download link for Blut http://www.mediafire.com/?8k7966z84k1etn8

Blutsauger, FJ and Vitasaw are currently uploading... --Nate (T | C) 19:46, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Fixed up the bugs on Degreaser and Candycane. Here are the download links.

Candy Cane: http://www.mediafire.com/?b5b54pf54h4mpzy


Degreaser: http://www.mediafire.com/?n9smjozsdop111y KingofKoopas 22:39, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Candy Cane and degreaser are uploading. The blutsauger needs to be redone because it has custom needle trail effects. --Nate (T | C) 00:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Way ahead of you. Already got a download link. http://www.mediafire.com/?n9smjozsdop111y KingofKoopas 01:13, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

might wanna double check that link. Thats the degreaser again --Nate (T | C) 01:37, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok there's two links but I think this is the one.http://www.mediafire.com/?06qal4n11wicpyg KingofKoopas 01:47, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Needs to be redone again, because there is chat text 5 seconds in. :( — Wind 05:31, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Wow I must be going blind I checked for that. Final thing I do before i go to bed. KingofKoopas 06:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


Alright, I'm an idiot period. I watched this take 3 times, if I missed something my head will have a date with a dictionary. Please watch it before uploading. http://www.mediafire.com/?lyyk55fs51a5ro7 KingofKoopas 06:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

If I mess up again I'll let someone else do it. I want to move onto other weaponsKingofKoopas 19:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC).

I think this was uploaded~ — Wind 02:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Wrangler

Nothing directly wrong with it as it is, but I'd suggest adding a comparison of how long it would take the Soldier to kill an unshielded Sentry at the same range (though it'd be an issue with the sentry auto-targeting him), and showing that you can rocket yourself as well as shooting yourself - maybe even adding in a sentry jump. —烏Γ (kaw at me), 05:39, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, thought about that, but it was getting long for a video demonstration and I thought that seeing a whole 8 rockets needed to destroy the Sentry would be enough of a difference to not have to show the "normal" case. This being said, I'm not against replacing it with a more comprehensive demo~ — Wind 05:41, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Equalizer and Enthusiast's Timepiece

I want to reserve this weapons. User-Gringo Perm.jpg Gringo perm 12:37, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Page isn't locked, go on~ — Wind 22:31, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

iron curtain/brass beast/natascha

redid my original iron curtain vid also working on brass beast and natascha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMn3EIBcfSM if you like will provide upload but 12:51, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Looks/sounds perfect except for one minor issue that got overlooked in the previous upload. Notice how the muzzle flash clips through the wooden barrier? Yeah, just take a step back so that doesn't happen, and I'll upload it. --Nate (T | C) 20:58, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Fists of Steel

Link, download. Vulnerabilities and resistances are shown better and it has the new kill icon (if there is a new kill icon). 20xx0 14:53, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Looks good, only issue I have is the whole 'heavy punching the wall' part. Isn't there a command you can bind to make a specific bot attack, but not others?--Nate (T | C) 19:59, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
If there is, could someone please tell me? Because it's a pain dealing with all the bot commands and binds. 20xx0 20:04, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
There is, "bot_forcefireweapon (name of the weapon, like tfweapon_fists)". You can confirm the correct weapon name after killing someone with it and checking the console log. :) - Zhnigo 20:34, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
That's what I used, but it made both of the Heavys punch. I need a way to make only one of them punch. 20xx0 20:36, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Oh, then why not just have the attacker be a different class? --Nate (T | C) 20:38, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
But would it be okay if I use the Heavy as an attacker in 3 scenes and an Engineer in 1 scene? 20xx0 20:46, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I would keep the attacker class the same across all 4 scenes. I dont think it matters what class it is, as long as they have a ranged attack and a meele attack. --Nate (T | C) 20:49, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
So basically you're saying that I should redo all of the 4 scenes with a different class? In that case I hope you dont mind if I stall a little bit with this demonstration, since I won't have any time on my hands in the next few days. 20xx0 21:11, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes please. There's no rush, you're doing a great job. --Nate (T | C) 21:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to add that the second part (showing damage resistance/vulnerability) goes a bit too fast. Wait a bit before and after transitions~ And since that part has to be redone, might as well do it with another class to demonstrate. I suggest using the Soldier, because rockets will kill fast enough and because it's very easy for the player to count the rockets, rather than rely on the comparison of time spent in front of a firing minigun, if that made sense. — Wind 21:23, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Maybe a split screen for demonstrating would be better, if I shoot the rockets and melee at an equal pace? It would also save time, since I've seen different videos showing the vulnerabilities/resistances separately, or with a split screen. How would you think what should be best? 20xx0 19:38, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I feel either way is acceptable. They both clearly show that with one item you die in x number of shots, while with the other items you die in y number of shots. --Nate (T | C) 19:40, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Well, here's the remade version with the soldier. 20xx0 12:02, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I personally think it'd be better split-screen but it's fine. However, the Soldier missed one of his Shovel hits, which makes the comparison a little off :( — Wind 17:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Fists of Steel, with the Soldier hitting me every time. 20xx0 18:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
And here's the download link. 20xx0 19:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Looks good~ :3 — Wind 02:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

My first TF2 Video and my First Attempt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO-bCfraO7U So....I think i failed And...I don't know why my Ingame Sound doesn't Work with Fraps

Yup the sound is a problem. However some other problems.

  • Letterboxed
  • When you switch away from the weapon menu you don't have the gunslinger out
  • Missed a hit on the solider
  • Need to look up more to see the damage indicators
  • Didn't tauntkill the spy or taunt at all
  • Graphics seem a little to low for my liking

Not trying to harp, just trying to help. You got the basics down, now you just need to fix the problems. Good Luck on your next take :) KingofKoopas 19:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Also you have crits enabled, since the last hit on the soldier was 195 damage. The weaponref config should disable crits as much as i know. 20xx0 19:53, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Pictogram nope.png Nope.avi the gunslinger crits on the third consecutive hits --Nate (T | C) 19:55, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Wow, I did not know that. In that case the crit is absolutely necessary. I failed ;[] 20xx0 19:57, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Careful, this is DirectX 8, while the requirement is DirectX 9. I don't think your computer can handle that :( — Wind 20:48, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Demonstrating item sets

Here's an idea: demonstration for item sets. Demos of stuff like:

  • Scout with 125 HP gets hit. Set Scout with 150 HP hets hit.
  • Soldier gets hit by sentry. Set Soldier with set gets hit by sentry and survives longer.
  • Pyro runs, get killed by boolets. Set Pyro runs faster, get killed by boolets faster.
  • Demo gets hit by fire. Set Demo gets hit by fire and takes less damage.
  • Heavy gets hit by crits. Set Heavy gets hit by crits and survives longer (?)
  • Medic takes damage, recovers health. Set Medic takes damage, recovers health faster.
  • Sniper gets headshooted. Set Sniper gets headshotted and survives.
  • Spy cloaks, decloaks, bumps into someone. Set Spy decloaks with no sound, bumps into someone too.

And stuff like that. Of course, that would require people to have the set hats. -- OluapPlayer (t) Howdy, pardner! 21:56, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Pictogram plus.png Support Yes, I like dis weapons. — Wind 21:57, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Pictogram minus.png Oppose According to the project page, the point of this project is to "To demonstrate how weapons work (duh); firing animation, reloading animation, projectile trajectory, speed, damage, and simply viewmodel". I feel like demonstrating sets doesn't apply to 6/7 of those objectives. IMHO, the set bonuses are quite simple and self explanatory in comparison to some of the weapons --Nate (T | C) 23:17, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Pictogram plus.png Support If you're sticking strictly to the objectives, then all non-projectile weapons and melee weapons each disobey one of the seven. Plus there's no reason not to show it; for example, some people might want to see just how well a tank-busting Soldier can stand up to a Sentry. Either way, if we do make these videos, I'd suggest putting them on the pages for the set hats rather than the main Item sets page - BUT the Demo and Medic sets don't actually include hats, so that might be a problem. Ideas? —烏Γ (kaw at me), 02:06, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Pictogram plus.png SupportI think this is a good idea. I've always been curious has to how much the sets do, like for the Tankbuster I don't know how big of a deal 20% is. I say go for it. KingofKoopas 04:00, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

The Sandman

Now i found another Fraps. It's in Spanish.Problem dude? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtSpLf3OA6o --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Puñetazo Anal (talk) • (contribs)

Yes, that's a problem. It's also cropped, letterboxed, uses low graphics, and uses DirectX 8 :( — Wind 17:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Rocket Launcher

Rocket Launcher with splash : Video, download. 20xx0 14:44, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

This is good :3 Nate, please upload~ — Wind 17:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Uploading... --Nate (T | C) 19:46, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Might want to redo this; comments are suggesting to demonstrate juggling and rocket jumping as well. — Wind 05:31, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

A suggestion

Maybe all of those who got accepted into creating a successful weapon demonstration should get the wiki cap. They helped not only the wiki, but all the people who have watched the demonstrations. If you get me. JackIsASpy 19:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

The wiki cap is meant for people who have made significant and valuable contributions to the wiki over the course of a long time (several months at least). Doing this videos is a significant and valuable contribution, but doing a few videos does not come close to the amount of time and work that other people have put into other areas of this wiki --Nate (T | C) 19:57, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
But think about the hat craze of TF2. There'd be video submissions flying everywhere for you guys. JackIsASpy 19:58, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Or how about a Wiki Cap for minors. If you get me. JackIsASpy 20:02, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
The guidelines are pretty clear on the criteria to be eligible for one. —User Moussekateer signature sprite.pngMoussekateer·talk 20:08, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Pain Train

First take of my paintrain video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4flsMBXyz4 KingofKoopas 21:40, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Looks pretty good to me :3 — Wind 05:31, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Nice i like it =D, it shows its capabilities, how it takes damage and also it's advantages. Nice work =) RED Überneedle.png - Lexar - talk 07:41, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

If it's good enough here's a download link. http://www.mediafire.com/?udn5rno2msn56nw KingofKoopas 07:32, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I think this was uploaded~ — Wind 02:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Rocket Jumper

First try, Tell me what you think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk-sgb8QupA {{subst:void|This template should always be substituted. Please change {{Unsigned}} to {{subst:Unsigned}}}}— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yackemflam (talk) • (contribs) 2024-11-06, 00:55 UTC

Not bad execution-wise, but custom skins, custom sounds, and no loadout screen at the start are all bad. Oh, and mysteriously dead Pyro. Toomai Glittershine 03:20, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
And its not 720p --Nate (T | C) 03:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I installed the custom Sounds myself to help people know the difference between them, just something i thought would help. And about the other skins i completely forgot to remove them. If i can be bothered making & uploading a new one, i'll fix these problems. Yackemflam
Pictogram nope.png Nope Everything should be as non-custom as possible except HudDamageAccount.res. Execution-wise, I'd stay in the little barrier thingy and shoot all 3 bots a bit, then start rocket jumping around (calmly). Also, please follow the reloading thingy more closely (only reload when completely out of ammo, let the reload finish completely, and reload at the very end before taunting) — Wind 05:31, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Alright, Heres take 2, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBVSkfg-gIQ

I think i should show the vulnerabilities as well. Must also stops a little early KingofKoopas 19:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Also, keep your cursor a bit longer over the item in the backpack view because the tooltip is really long. Also, antialiasing seems to be off (minimum is 2x), and framerate is a bit low (I hope it won't get worse with antialiasing on...). On a smaller note, don't hide the cursor in the backpack view (it's a checkbox in Fraps) — Wind 02:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Gunslinger (redone)

First attempt at a demonstration. Re-did the gunslinger to show the new mini-sentry kill icon, triple punch icon, and a better angle of the taunt kill. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmMh2MpPoBE, anything that needs to be improved? --Garticuno 04:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

That looks good to me :3 Can you upload the original? — Wind 05:31, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Here ya go, http://rapidshare.com/files/443001998/gunslingerdemonstration.mp4. Sorry for rapidshare, mediafire kept making my browser explode. --Garticuno
Uploaded, I believe~ — Wind 02:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Kritzkrieg

Yes, the video is intentionally long so that I can ask whether I should speed up/fade through the building of the ubercharge to cut down on video length, or whether it should be left as is. As for content, is there anything I missed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBW7EROvUCk i-ghost 11:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

good video mate just cut out the first part until 98% ubercharge is around about gotten but tother then that it demonstrates very well what the capabilities are of the kritzkreig RED Überneedle.png - Lexar - talk 12:05, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

New version here, ubercharge build up faded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKGkKZ7PUzs i-ghost 13:38, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I didn't get a chance to watch it, but if you don't have it maybe it would be a good idea to show a comparison with the normal medigun for just a few seconds, just to show that the Kritzkrieg is faster at building up charge. —烏Γ (kaw at me), 00:54, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
It does compare it with the Medigun charge rate by having another (regular) Medic heal someone else
Pretty cool~ Two things though:
  • Don't use the flamethrower to show the healing effect of the taunt, because the afterburn decreases your health and reduces the effectiveness of the effect. Use any non-burning non-bleeding weapon instead
  • Make the two Medic/OtherClass pairs more distinct; the current layout looks a bit cluttered, not sure where the healing beams are going
  • When fading, make sure the camera angle changes during the transition. The fade was almost unnoticeable otherwise, making it look like the charge had just gone up in one shot
  • In the backpack view... isn't that a regular Medigun? If it always does that on kritzkrieg, then it's fine.

Really good demo though; is it really all bots? That's some impressive automation, if it is. — Wind 02:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

New Jarate

My attempt at Jarate. Includes reveal of cloaked Spy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaYBn_zCVAM i-ghost 16:05, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Darn it I was going to do this after school today lol

Well anyhow it looks good to me KingofKoopas 20:33, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Some things~
  • The cloaked spy reveal is a bit confusing. Is the spy coated in urine the same as the one seen in the dark corner? Did he move? It's not obvious if it's the same or not. I'd suggest putting the spy somewhere (not the usual dark corner though, because, well, it's dark, so the effect doesn't show well), making him cloak, wait a bit (he doesn't move), and throw jarate at him.
  • At the beginning of the video (right after the backpack view), you have the jarate selected but switch to the Kukri less than a second later. I suggest waiting a bit more while holding the Jarate, before switching to the Kukri~

— Wind 02:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Warrior's Spirit

Warrior's Spirit with new kill icon and spy not visible. Video, download. 20xx0 19:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me KingofKoopas 20:33, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

To me too. Should be uploaded soon~ — Wind 02:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Sandman

Might feel a little too quick, but I tried to squeeze everything into 1:45s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHJ4rS3WVM i-ghost 20:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Alright, here goes~
  • For the batting part, don't mvoe the camera angle up and down all the time. Pick an angle (where the damage numbers are visible enough) and stick to it
  • No need to demonstrate every distance. Show short range, medium range, longest-range-possible-in-that-weaponref-map, and then 2fort. This should really shorten the video
  • If you do want to show that the ball can kill, you can bat the Medic until he's low on health and then shooting him with the ball
  • If possible, try to make the poor Medic move a bit when he can to show that he can still move
  • While I agree that the 2fort part is quite creative and funny, the BLU sniper, serves no demonstrative purpose, so it shouldn't be in a weapon demonstration (srs bzns)

Have at these

I'm sure you'll find lots of things to criticize. You always do. Armisael 22:05, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I also stuck in a sandman demo that I had already recorded when the one above this went up. Armisael 01:52, 18 January 2011 (UTC

Well, you know me~
  • Backburner: It's actually a Sandman demonstration, but it's not bad. I'd actually say yes, but the Sandman demonstration of i-ghost right above makes me hesitate. Can you demonstrate the full-length shot?
  • Crusader's Crossbow: Forgot to shoot the target at the back; also, try to damage the heavy more; the way it is right now, the heavy almost always gets full health, so it seems like the crossbow's healing is always the same, but the heavy's maximum health cap hides the difference (which isn't the case)
  • Iron Curtain: Has the same nuzzleflash clipping glitch as the demonstration video a few sections above. Should also demonstrate right-click and show spin-up/spin-down delays (how long does it take from pressing the left button to actually shooting?)
  • Minigun: Same as above
  • Ullapool Caber: Perfect :3

— Wind 02:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

All the links except the caber and the sandman have been updated. As far as I can tell, there simply is not a long enough length in that map to pull off a full length sandman shot.

Just for fun, a brass beast video.

Also, on the front page, why does it say that there is no video for the flamer? There's one on the page. Armisael 03:23, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Southern Hospitality

Alright it's uploading. Just putting this here so someone doesn't come along and take it before me. This will be the last video for the week, since everything is getting reserved and I don't feel like being in competition trying to get my videos up first. If you need me to do takes of any of my videos let me know and I'll do them. KingofKoopas 22:50, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Alright just finished. Give it a little to process. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm7YEVR1DGg KingofKoopas 23:13, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Uh, I think the split-screen part has a little problem: the bottom half is black. Other than that, it's good~ — Wind 02:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Darwin Danger Shield

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giQn5lb53yk

I put this one separately because it's very much a guess at an appropriate way to do the demonstration. I chose to use the kukri instead of the direct hit because it's both countable and because it allows me to easily be a sniper as well.

Thoughts? Armisael 00:17, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

How did you get a bot with an unlock? KingofKoopas 00:24, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

It's actually one of my spare accounts I was running in the background with sandboxie. Armisael 01:52, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
It was not a bot (dun dun dun, dramatic music here). Also, I don't actually see anything wrong with this. It's not as fancy as a split-screen or something but it works quite well regardless. — Wind 02:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Crossbow (redone)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rI0MNWwSlE, re-did the Crusader Crossbow demonstration. http://www.mediafire.com/?bvgbr1cqc75pi7f, if its all good to go. (Sorry to Armisael who did his own redo of the crossbow :(. I didn't see you had done one till I was done with this so I decided to upload mine anyway.) --Garticuno 00:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Not a problem; I just did the same thing with a sandman video. Armisael 01:52, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
The same can be said to this video ("try to damage the heavy more; the way it is right now, the heavy almost always gets full health, so it seems like the crossbow's healing is always the same, but the heavy's maximum health cap hides the difference (which isn't the case)"). Also, it would be nice to make the heavy not shoot when the Soldier does (not a big bug but annoying). To do that, you can use the bot_forcefireweapon command~ — Wind 02:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

a bunch

Please set to HD before watching =P i have more videos coming also comment if you notice that i did something wrong {{subst:void|This template should always be substituted. Please change {{Unsigned}} to {{subst:Unsigned}}}}— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nivekkevin97 (talk) • (contribs) 2024-11-06, 00:55 UTC

Shortstop and shiv is already done

As for the problems

  • All of them
  • Letterboxed
  • No taunts
  • Don't start with your cursor over the weapon in the loadout


  • Battalions Backup
  • It only takes 175 to fill the meter. shouldn't have needed to refil your health
  • Shouldn't have died at the end
  • Should have showed it blocking crits


  • Watches

I think they all don't show enough.


  • Natasha
  • Didn't show the demonstration, just showed the slowdown


  • Rocket Launcher
  • Killed the targets too fast
  • What's with the brass beast?
  • Didn't show splash damage


  • Stickylauncher
  • Didn't start on the launcher
  • Music ends early
  • Again moved to fast


This sums up most of the problems. As it stands non of these can be used. sorry but they all look rushed. KingofKoopas 03:14, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

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