Talk:Civilian

Speculation

I don't have any references, and being a fan of the civilian always inetrested in the topic, i do recall reading the opinion that Valve introduced the payload map instead of the civilian because griefing was too easy with the civilian in TF2Nooch 18:26, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Seems like the case. Added. NottNott 13:35, 2 March 2013 (PST)

Images

What is with the non official civilian model? If it is by valve but unused, say so. If it is community made, why is it there? Else, elaborate. Woops, that looks too much like code.--Kurathedog 04:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Civilian Sightings

For a bit of fun, I thought we could list some Civilian Sightings in TF2 games and give a description of what their behavior was.

To start off, a friend of mine spotted a Demoman Civ, he died and burped alot. Untamed64 00:08, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

3 more civilian sound files

In the game files, you can find medic1.wav and medic2.wav. In the SFM files you can find something about an "Unknown Soldier" in the facemovie folder and that sound file is just the civilian saying "My arm!" in MTE. Also in the console versions of The Orange Box, you can hear the crit death sounds --Frying1Pans (talk) 09:25, 12 April 2015 (PDT)

A/T-posing meme status

As discussed on IRC: I suggest separating the guides and tips/tricks of the reference pose stuff that does not belong to Civilian specifically, and so the patches against this.

All the bois in reference pose on the Gallery.

Yay or nay? Also, I think this page shows its age, I'm not sure how to feel having a page that tells about the scrapped Civilian class, the reference pose, and the tenth class. I think the page should only mention about the scrapped Civilian class, and have a brief mention about the "Civilian" term used by the community, but nothing too lengthy (if going on this route, then the images I'm requesting shouldn't be made). And move how to get into the "reference" pose on the bugs section of each class/weapon page (how to get the ref pose in Heavy would go on the Heavy page, on the Bugs section). - ▪ - 20:03, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Should this page really be for discussing Reference Pose bugs?

I really don't think it should to be honest. The "Civilian" name used for these bugs is just colloquial as the proper term is Reference Pose. This article should specifically be about the Civilian class that was intended to be in the game along with any updates to the civilian.ctx file and such. Reference Pose bugs should be on a bugs article somewhere. Thefixer2021 (talk) 10:26, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Furthermore the update history section needs some removals and additions. The aforementioned civilian.ctx file has had a couple updates which I don't see listed. And the bottom-most patch note about a scout double jump bug has really nothing to do with the Civilian at all. It again is related to the reference pose bug and that patch note (along with any others relating to the reference pose bbug) should be on another page. All the guard dog/10th class stuff should be elsewhere as well. This entire article is a mess. Thefixer2021 (talk) 10:30, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

It's fine, tbh. The tenth class part is obviously relating to the Civilian class that would be the 10th class in the game and as long as you can provide proof of the updates and when they happened it's fine to be added there.

As for the reference pose bug, the bug has no "proper term" (unless I've missed Valve official calling it the "Reference Pose bug" similar to this blog post). The fad is often called the civilian pose and this page just mentions everything that the "civilian" term is associated with which includes this bug. It shouldn't be moved, as it's perfectly fine here (Nor should these bugs be mentioned on individual weapon/class pages' bugs sections). The last patch note is in relation to the reference pose, so it should be kept as well.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:49, 28 July 2021 (UTC)