Talk:The Days Have Worn Away

Notes or Trivia?

Should I put the jokes and references under Notes or Trivia? --Kromare (talk) 18:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Notes should be purely noting stuff (usually discrepancies or incorrect things). References should be under Trivia, though references to non-TF2 media should require confirmations from someone like Heather Campbell as per the Trivia guidelines. Also, please remember to include headers when making talk page entries.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 18:25, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Page 152 - The Archangel Mайкл defeating Satan

Compared to pretty much all prior comics, this comic is rather sparse on references. Perhaps that adds to the relatively stunning effect of the art on page 152.

I am not a Catholic (but maybe a bit of a Medievalist, true) yet the Catholic iconography was immediately apparent to me. A weapon-wielding Michael overcoming Satan is the most popular Archangel iconography in the world, not only in Christianity, but in other religions, too, so I have read recently.

However, there are multiple traditional arrangements of this composition. As discussed within the last few years, an earlier arrangement was an angel with arms outstretched, a weapon in the right hand and a defensive item in the left, particularly in Slavic cultures. But that was another reference in this game.

I propose that it is simple enough that the particular pose on page 152 is influenced by the general iconic pose of Michael holding a long sword, hilt high, pointed for thrust at Satan/dragon/serpent pinned underfoot. So, the easiest consensus could be to say something minimalist like "the painting evokes the iconic Archangel Michael defeating Satan."

A simple study of Archangel Michael iconography will find the present pose to be common, many predating the Baroque Guido Reni piece. We also note that BLU clothing and armor is a tradition of Michael's iconography. A floating RED cape, cloak, or loose sash is also typical for Michael, at least from the 17th century, strengthening "the painting evokes traditional iconic art depicting Archangel Michael defeating Satan."

A blue-clothed Michael with a red cape trammeling upon Satan is common enough, drawn quite independent of Guido Reni. However, there are many renditions of Michael by other later artists clearly based on Guido Reni's work. I am not going to do a doctoral thesis on Renian Michaels. It may very well be that makini drew directly from Reni but may have in fact drawn from some other artist who drew from Reni. So, it might not be so absolutely said that "makini drew upon Guido Reni's world-famous 'The Archangel Michael defeating Satan'", but dang, it sure looks like it.

Or, one of us could try asking makini, at least she is still alive.

M I K A D O 282 ❄❄❄❄❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ (contact)(Help Wanted!) 04:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Seems fine to me. There's at least a +2 on this as another user has added this before (but is now commented out) and said this was based on other users' observations. She should be available to contact, I'm not sure how though. I found a contact e-mail for one of the artists but it was mainly for job opportunities so I did not want to use it for something else.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 13:38, 26 December 2024 (UTC)