Talk:Black Rose

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Speculation: If anyone actually knows about what the promo is for that would be awesome. I personally think its for the Rusty Hearts character Roselle Vergerius. She's not part of the default game, so based on her name...I think its kind of obvious. Steam hasn't shed any light on it. Muffalopadus 16:50, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Just a note: The model has been added to the game, but as of yet, the item is not usable in itemtest, and does not even have animations. Piogre 21:43, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Promo Item

This item is related to a F2P game known as Alliance of Valiant Arms.

You can see an exact replica of the knife during this customization menu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cc6qWNFTEQ

Does anybody have any idea how it's obtained if it is actually from AVA? --Chocolate Rain! 17:15, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Like most promos, the item comes out before the criteria for obtaining it, so just sit tight, there'll probably be an AVA update within the next week. The Riet 18:21, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Someone at Steam Forums said that you have to buy every weapon in the game's store. - J.P. 18:40, 14 February 2012 (PST)

SPUF says a lot of things, very few of them are true. Just a Gigolo - (talk) 18:45, 14 February 2012 (PST)

To buy every weapon in the store, you would need to spend roughly $100. So, no.

There's apparently a Black Rose in the game that costs 7 gold in the game, and it's rumored buying it in game gives it to you in TF2 as well. Jouva 18:56, 14 February 2012 (PST)

@Gigolo: Indeed. But i couldn't know that it would cost that much, since the game isn't available here. - J.P. 19:17, 14 February 2012 (PST)

I bought the item in AVA, I haven't received it in Team Fortress. TecHXeoZ 20:25, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Maybe we need to wait for achievements to get it. Until now it is unknown, we just have to wait. TheDoctor 20:28, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Looks exactly like the AVA one, so they probably are somehow related --> Pic from an AVA developer ~ RedXM T • C • S 20:53, 14 February 2012 (PST) this is going to be dumb if it makes you buy feom the ava store. Kvncnh

I wouldn't say exactly. The one is the game is just a normal knife, where this knife is a butterfly knife. They're most likely linked, but we can't be 100% sure until they tell us. Just a Gigolo - (talk) 22:46, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Probably just another reskin from the normal knife, but it looks awesome though. Downy 02:11, 15 February 2012 (PST)

I made a comparison image in Paint. Image. SSF2Zelda 08:01, 15 February 2012 (PST)

Sure, it's similar looking compared to the AVA weapon, but should we wait until we get something official before we link it to this game based on rumour and hearsay? --Lord Carol 15:23, 15 February 2012 (PST)

Yeah, under normal circumstances i would say yes. But this game has no sequel/prequel game announced. So we can be pretty sure that this is the game. But if we are wrong, we could all be punished, oh my please be right wiki ;( TheDoctor 15:32, 15 February 2012 (PST)

A tf2 Tech said the item would become a genuine when it was made craftable, should i add it on the trivia section?Draforce94 14:50, 19 February 2012 (PST)

That seems highly unlikely but do you have any proof? —Moussekateer·talk 14:52, 19 February 2012 (PST)

Unfortunately, no. Hence asking about adding it or not :D.Draforce94 14:55, 19 February 2012 (PST)

Then it would be speculation I'm afraid, and that does not belong on the wiki. —Moussekateer·talk 14:57, 19 February 2012 (PST)

You're right =/, sorry, i'm new here. Still,i call dibs if such a thing happens :D

Known Damage/Function for this Weapon?

Just out of curiosity, how are the damage/function time already known for this weapon? Correct me, if I am wrong, but hasn't this weapon not even been wielded in the game and tested that it shares identical damage/function time as the Spy's knife? Or are these numbers coming from somewhere else?

I just would like to know how items' damage/function times are derived (it could be I am missing something). It *could* be a reskin, but if it isn't tested, how can one be 100% certain? Jumping the gun on an item could backfire (no pun intended), should Valve introduce a new genuine item with new stats (i.e. Dues Ex promo items).

General Veers 06:47, 15 February 2012 (PST)

Knowing VALVe, this'll probably be just another reskin of the butterfly knife. Downy 07:37, 15 February 2012 (PST)

They are derived from the fact that, at the moment, the weapon is based on the tf_weapon_knife weapon class according to the schema, and has no overriding attributes which make it unique. This is subject to change at any moment, as the knife is lacking animations which would allow it to be used in-game, and Valve could add stat changes when they add the necessary animations. i-ghost 07:41, 15 February 2012 (PST)

Thank you, i-ghost. General Veers 09:13, 15 February 2012 (PST)

I've just received the weapon at 9:20 PM, Eastern Time. It's just another reskin, but it looks kinda nice. It's got a nice rose pattern on the blade. I've already rendered a replay as a weapon demostration. Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq84uF1ZQ8c&feature=youtube_gdata NikolaiKrstic 09:59, 16 February 2012 (EST)

Weapom Image

Anyone find any image on the Black rose tell me if you did on my talk thanks :D Lockon 07:41, 15 February 2012 (PST)Lockon

There is a image of the black rose on the top right of the black rose's page. Downy 08:27, 15 February 2012 (PST)

My video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq84uF1ZQ8c&feature=youtube_gdata NikolaiKrstic 10:02, 16 February 2012 (EST)

Sniper Achievements

The sniper achievements has a massive gap between it, can somebody fix it? Lockon 01:32, 16 February 2012 (PST)Lockon

The only way can fix is wait for demonstration. Hinaomi 02:15, 16 February 2012 (PST)

AVA Achievement

Would it be appropriate to include the related achievement for AVA? Its a pretty easy one, but since its related to the item I figured that it might be part of the wiki. Muffalopadus 12:05, 16 February 2012 (PST)

I completed the achievement, haven't got the knife yet though. Downy 12:33, 16 February 2012 (PST)

Self comment, didn't read the steam page. The "Black Rose" will be available later today. Downy 12:36, 16 February 2012 (PST)

Can't be giftwrapped.

Black Rose (currently) cannot be giftwrapped. Dunno if that should go under bugs or trivia, or neither. What a pain. DarkQuill 00:39, 17 February 2012 (PST)

Neither. It is already illustrated in the weapon stats that this weapon is not giftable. General Veers 05:56, 23 February 2012 (PST)

How to Unlock

Guys go check the TF2 website, the black rose is now unlockable by completing the AVA achievement, "1st One Down", to unlock the TF2 item and you'll also receive the TF2-inspired "Holy Mackerel" for your A.V.A. character! Lockon 02:44, 17 February 2012 (PST)Lockon

Default Image

The team colored style is the default style, is it possible to have the RED 3D style as the default, rather than the black style? Balladofwindfishes 13:03, 22 February 2012 (PST)

I think you should ask at 3D model page.... Hinaomi 06:33, 27 February 2012 (PST)

Reference or Note?

The line in the Reference section of this weapon's page sounds more like a note to me. Thoughts? Not Thinking 13:08, 24 February 2012 (PST)

That "reference" refers back to a bug that was already noted under the "Bugs" section. It shouldn't belong under the "References" section. General Veers 06:46, 27 February 2012 (PST)

I'll remove it. Hinaomi 08:22, 27 February 2012 (PST)

 Done Hinaomi 08:24, 27 February 2012 (PST)