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http://youtu.be/iIwyKwAXUXA [[User:OrangeJuicePanda|OrangeJuicePanda]] 23:21, 28 December 2012 (PST)
:{{c|!|{{tooltip|<small>opinion</small>|This is my opinion, don't feel obliged to make any changes until WindPower tells you to.}}}} I question the ordering of the clips--I feel that it would be more logical to display the hauling mechanic first, the primary fire (repairing) mechanic second, and the movement mechanic third. For the repair, you should not have 59 metal--200 or 0, pick one. You should also repair right-to-left, not bottom-to-top in the building list. You should also empty the ammo of the sentry gun first (to show that it does (not) repair ammo). In the hauling clip, you should demonstrate the required metal issue first, not last. I'd reccomend hauling a dispenser, and then trying to haul a sentry in the first clip. Try to only hit attack once, so it doesn't spam the "can't pickup" noise. You could do this after every metal pickup, until you hit or pass 130. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Texas Slim's Dome Shine.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Rogue's Col Roule.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 06:32, 29 December 2012 (PST)
::{{c|!|{{tooltip|<small>opinion</small>|This is my opinion, don't feel obliged to make any changes until WindPower tells you to.}}}} Also, show that it can't remove sappers, can be airblasted. (Can it repair friendly sentries when airblasted?) [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Texas Slim's Dome Shine.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Rogue's Col Roule.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 14:36, 29 December 2012 (PST)

:Alright here goes~
* First and most importantly, there is no backpack view. Did you forget that?
* Second and also pretty important, the first two clips give no introduction time; the clip starts right away firing or picking up something before the viewer has time to realize what is going on. When making these videos, keep in mind that the person watching them is not you, and has no idea about what the weapon does or how it works or anything, so you can't just start firing during the initial fade-in transition at 0:00. Watch some other weapon demonstration videos to get a feel for the required timing, and try to reproduce it. Leave ample waits before and after each clip, especially during recording, and then later if they turn out to be too long (which is very unlikely) you can just trim them out
* Transitions between are too slow (half a second is enough)
* Video quality looks meh-ish, especially the crosshair. It looks pixely for some reason? Check if you can increase your encoding bitrate or something so that it doesn't come out like that
* I am assuming this was recorded with Fraps because it doesn't have any frame blending, which is fine, but that means there's the possibility that you forgot to record .dem files since recording with Fraps doesn't require them, so I'd like to take this occasion to remind you that .dem files are required (though not for rendering)
* The clips do seem out of order like Darkid mentioned
* Inconsistency in how things are demonstrated: The moving mechanic is shown in 3 separate clips while the repairing mechanic is shown in a single clip. Try to use a single clip for each
* Always start with either 0 or 200 metal as appropriate, and if a Dispenser is built, it's nicer if it's already full of metal (but that's not really required)
* Remote moving mechanic clips:
** Don't start at the other end of the room; start close enough to the building**s** you're going to carry and stare at them for a while, so that the viewer has time to recognize them and locate them (and yourself) within the room, then move into position (the position used in the current video is fine) and then grab one. Then move around with it because why not? That way you also get to show the marked-for-death thing that the last clip shows (which again is a bit out of order). Then drop the building and wait for it to finish building/upgrading.
** Move on to next building, don't grab it from the same place that you grabbed the first one from, move around the room a little bit, drop it somewhere, watch it grow
** Move on to teleporter, same deal, you can afford moving less since that has been demonstrated well enough by now (but don't stay completely static, it looks like you can't carry it anywhere)
** Remove what is currently the last clip, since that will already have been demonstrated
* Remove repairing mechanic clips:
** Some things to consider: Starting with 0 metal would be good here, because it would show that you don't need any metal to repair things. Then you can move close to your dispenser to grab some metal and show that it doesn't change the repair rate at all
** Don't fire at buildings from the same distance during the entire video. That will demonstrate whether the repair rate suffers from damage falloff or not, the same way the regular shots do
** Maybe show that you can still repair things with the Wrench, not sure if worth demonstrating
** Show whether it restores ammo or not, like darkid said (maybe in a separate clip)
** Show whether it upgrades buildings or not (maybe in a separate clip)
That should do it~ Good luck, this is not such an easy demonstration — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 13:09, 31 December 2012 (PST)
:Thanks for the response. I did not use fraps to record it, but instead I used Source Recorder, so I do have .dem files for it, and saved each frame seperately and used me video software to turn them into one file. (I know you can save it in H264 format but I think the quality through this method ends up looking better) Also I do not have any screen capture software as of right now so do you know of any free ones? As far as the clips go, having 59 metal was actually a mistake of mine when recording it. Other than that I will redo the other clips and make any other needed changes. [[User:OrangeJuicePanda|OrangeJuicePanda]] 12:46, 3 January 2013 (PST)
::If you did use Source Recorder then would you mind rendering at a higher framerate? That way it looks smoother when blended down to 30fps on youtube. Yes the quality is better if you don't save it with H264 directly. For screen capturing software, well, Fraps probably, and the usual alternatives (Dxtory etc). Make sure you use something that taps into DirectX for capture, not something that just takes a lot of screenshots (Camtasia Recorder does that for example) or else it won't look smooth — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 13:22, 3 January 2013 (PST)
:::I set host_framerate at 30 frames per second and render at 30 frames per second. Also what format should I render the video as? 
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:OrangeJuicePanda|OrangeJuicePanda]]''' ([[User talk:OrangeJuicePanda|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/OrangeJuicePanda|contribs]]) </small>
::::Try setting host_framerate to 90 or 120 and that should already make quite some difference for not much extra render time. As for the format, anything that youtube accepts and correctly converts as HD and that isn't unreasonably large and that doesn't make youtube desynchronize audio/video and doesn't show too many artifacts and not interlaced and and and etc.. basically just put it on youtube, since that is where it will end up, and if it looks bad then change format — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 12:07, 9 January 2013 (PST)
:In regards to the above suggestion that the last clip should be deleted, it seems to me like it would still be a good idea to demonstrate that the user is marked for death both when carrying things using the special ability AND when carrying buildings normally (at least I know that was something I didn't realize at first). It could probably be shown in the same clip as the teleporting/movement ability, just demonstrate that the gun can pull a sentry, dispenser, and teleporter, then using the wrench pick up the second teleporter normally to demonstrate a) it can still be done and b) it also marks you for death. I'm sure there are other and possibly better ways to demonstrate this but in my opinion it'd still be a good thing to include. -[[User:Mizuumi|Mizuumi]] 13:22, 11 January 2013 (PST)
::I guess so, but in that case it should be shown in third-person camera, otherwise it's hard to tell — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 18:03, 11 January 2013 (PST)

Alright, a few questions about this demonstration:
*Should it be demonstrated that enemy buildings are still damaged by the bolt normally or is it safe to let that be assumed? And should the repair effect be demonstrated on another friendly engineer's building?
::You could do all of those in the same clip, just have 3 dispensers up (yours, friendly, enemy). Shouldn't be a lot of extra time/effort — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:53, 17 January 2013 (PST)
*The wrench demonstration doesn't show every one of its effects on every building, so is it safe to demonstrate the repair effect on one building, the carry effect on another, and let it be assumed that both abilities will carry over to every other building? Or does it need to be demonstrated on every building as in  Panda's first upload?
::Just one building is fine — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:53, 17 January 2013 (PST)
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rDDsV7FQhw This clip is only of the first part demonstrating the weapon's damage and doesn't include the loadout screen or the background music, so it's faaar from finished, but is the quality acceptable as far as graphics, video, audio, and the demo itself? (I'm a little concerned in that department, specifically the somewhat-jerky mouse motion and, now that I look at some other clips again, the taunt portion, damn box getting in the way!)
::Quality is fine, camerawork is fine as well — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:53, 17 January 2013 (PST)
*I thought, given that the projectile's trajectory, speed, and trail are all reminiscent of the Huntsman, I'd demonstrate that headshots do no additional damage, but if that's deemed unnecessary and too distracting or something, I can redo it without.
::Nah, not necessary — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:53, 17 January 2013 (PST)

Sorry for the question overload, I just thought I'd get second opinions on things I wasn't sure about before making the clips, recording and rendering take an awfully long time and I'd like not to need to redo more than I have to.
:You'll get used to it :3 and hopefully that'll translate into faster [[w:turnaround time|turnaround time]] — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:53, 17 January 2013 (PST)
::Alright, thanks a bunch for the answers and feedback! I admit i haven't been in a huge rush to finish, but now that I've got most of my concerns answered I should be able to get it together soon.

::There is at least one more thing, though, I ''thought'' I had the airblast clip figured out, but I need to have one clip from the perspective of a RED team member to show the effect on an enemy dispenser. I figured I'd just record the clip as a red pyro until I remembered that bots can't hold non-stock items, so the engineer would be stuck with the default shotgun. I looked at the Crusader's Crossbow video because the effect is similar in nature and found that they had a clip from a red heavy's point of view being shot with the airblasts, with the blu medic's view in the lower right corner. This seems like a good approach, but how did they manage to get the demo from both players' point of view? The only way I could think of would be running a private dedicated server with replays enabled, which I'm not sure it's possible for me to do. I suppose in a pinch I could connect the other computer in the house via LAN and show the viewpoint of the red engineer staring at the dispenser, though it's not a very elegant solution and that computer gets extremely poor performance/framerate in TF2, and I don't know whether that could possibly create inaccuracies in the demo file. If there's no other feasible way to work around it I'll try that, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask if there was any other way.
:::You indeed have to run a server and have two players (one of which can be you) join it. You don't have to have replays enabled, just need to have both players record their own demos. You can also run multiple instances of TF2 on the same computer if your PC can handle it, you can turn down the graphics a lot (and turn them back up again to render), you just have to be quick alt-tabbing I guess — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)

::Also, is there a way to spawn buildings immediately on a given team (and maybe at a given health)? I've searched around and haven't managed to find anything that doesnt involve using sourcemod plugins on a dedicated server, so I'm guessing I'll probably just have to use bot engineers for constructing buildings that aren't mine, but again, never hurts to ask.
:::Not instantaneously, but you can make bots build buildings using bot_mimic — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)

::Again, thanks for all your help, and sorry for the wait on this project. -[[User:Mizuumi|Mizuumi]] 01:42, 19 January 2013 (PST)
:::There's no rush — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)

:Deleted the first two questions because I think I kind of answered them myself, but I would still at least like to know if the test clip is passable, or if I should do anything differently with the demo or the video rendering. -[[User:Mizuumi|Mizuumi]] 11:16, 16 January 2013 (PST)
::In regards to the trajectory question, just change the damage demonstration to be similar to the huntsman (or the unscoped sniper rifle). Aim for the head, then the body. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Bolt Action Blitzer.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Blighted Beak.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 08:08, 17 January 2013 (PST)
:::Not necessary — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:53, 17 January 2013 (PST)

Just an update to let anyone watching know that my computer has been busy rendering all the various clips for this demonstration for the past 3 days, I'm on the last clip, and I'm probably going to have to re-record the demo for it (which, coincidentally, is the most obnoxious one to record) thanks to those wonderful wacky demo system bugs that, overall, have probably doubled the amount of time I would've otherwise had to spend on this project. And odds are once the video is reviewed I'll have to re-record at least a few other sections as well, in retrospect I reeeally should've done low-quality test-renders first.
BUT gripes aside, most importantly, just know I haven't abandoned this yet and progress is being made. -[[User:Mizuumi|Mizuumi]] 03:14, 23 January 2013 (PST)


Alrighty, here goes, first edition of my attempt at this demonstration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owZcdSH8nQo

There are already several problems I noticed and concerns and observations I have, but a bit too late:
*Carry ability clip: Probably the biggest problem clip; the walk from the sentry back to the dispenser looks somewhat drunken; I should have stepped away from the dispenser before picking up the sentry instead of picking it up and walking away at the same time, it rushes the viewer and doesn't give them enough time to figure out what's going on; I should have moved around a bit when I picked up the sentry from close range, and some of the timings are a bit slow. A level 3 sentry was probably unnecessary as well, and just wastes time setting up for no real reason. If any clip is gonna have to be redone, it's this one.
::You should have waited until you had a full 200 metal, step away from the dispenser, then grab it. The timing wasn't slow, it was fine, except the initial grabbing which is very fast (grabbing as soon as you get enough metal + start moving immediately is just too much). A level 3 sentry is fone too, there's no rush — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)

*Damage side-by-side: The splitscreen HUD doesn't move the marked for death icon along with the health. Not a huge deal and I'm not sure I can fix it, but if necessary I could try recording with the ammo & health splitscreen HUD instead of the just-health one to see if that changes anything.
::It probably won't. Either fix it or switch to third person so that the skull icon is visible. The timing is also too fast on this one, it's kinda hard to tell which side has the Rescue Ranger on the first watch (it may be obvious to you but that's because you made the video. Try to put yourself in the mindset of someone to whom all of those clips are new) and the rocket arrives a split second after the pickup (not enough time for the player to register why one dies but not the other) — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)

*Repair clip: Not sure why I moved the cursor away from the dispenser at the end. Other than that, I'm fairly happy with this one.
::You need to reload at the end of the clip. It's a silly rule but it still stands — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)

*Ammo/upgrade demonstration: I thought an un-upgraded sentry dry-firing at an enemy would be the clearest way to demonstrate that neither ammo is refilled nor upgrades applied, at the risk of being a little obnoxious. It could use a teensy bit more rest time at the beginning when aiming between the sentry and the soldier, which would be no problem to fix in premiere.
::This clip is fine~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)

*Sapper demonstration: No real issues that I've noticed yet.
::Looks good too~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)

*Airblast demo 1: I'm iffy about my approach to this one. I didn't want to spend time setting up a dispenser in front of the eng after the first shot, and I didn't want to have to separate it into 2 clips, but to get the eng far enough away that the airblast doesn't push him and get the dispenser far enough back from there that the eng is out of range and doesn't immediately start getting healed, the pyro and dispenser have to be too far away to see in the same frame. If I redid this one, I would probably have the engineer just set up a dispenser in front of himself so I don't have to keep flipping views back and forth between them. Also, I wasn't sure whether it was necessary to watch the dispenser get destroyed completely, so I tried to leave enough hangtime when he first looks at the damaged building that the clip could be cut thee, but in retrospect it's probably important that one of the airblasted bolts hits the building while it actually is damaged.
*Airblast demo 2: I used the other computer in the house to record from the red eng's point of view, and the poor performance of that computer does seem to have caused some minor problems, namely the sound of the wrench hitting his hand periodically repeats faster than it should, and from his view the blu engineer appears to twitch around a little bit. I cropped the blu perspective a little bit because a) his building hud display isn't important here and b) I didn't like the "Dispenser built by RED Engineer" box being covered up halfway by the other clip. I don't think the crop makes too big a difference, but if I'm wrong by all means tell me. I stupidly forgot to refill the pyro's ammo, so right after the last airblast (fortunately at least not before that) he runs out of ammo and switches to shotgun. This was a dumb oversight and I understand if it needs to be fixed.
::Not a huge deal, these clips are good :3 — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)

Hah, I wish the wiki had a spoiler tag, I feel awkward leaving a huge block of text every time I come back to this page, but oh well. I'd be grateful if Wind and anybody else would watch the video, give some feedback, and tell me what needs to be redone! (I'll upload the demo files once I've got approval on a final version) —[[User:Mizuumi|Mizuumi]] 13:28, 24 January 2013 (PST)
:<small>{{tooltip|opinion|Don't feel obliged to make any of these changes unless wind says so.}}</small> Generally, you're doing the whole thing a bit fast, slow down after you do something with the mechanics of the weapon. Also, don't forget to reload at the end of each clip. Consider using teleporters for some clips (like #6) to show that it's all buildings.
:Clip #1: Your view was a bit jerky, otherwise fine.
:Clip #2: Look at the sentry, turn around, run straight to dispenser. Put the dispenser a bit to the side, or stop in front of it. Turn around, wait a beat, try to pick up sentry. It fails, so get 200 ammo and do it again. Wait a beat, do not go third person and place; do not fast-upgrade. It's just another confusing bit. Don't pickup and replace.
::Yes — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)
:Clip #3: Again, slower. Set the scene for a good second, pick up, wait a half second, then fire. Synchronize this if possible, using the <code>wait</code> command. It will look much nicer.
::Synchronization is optional; the current clip is good enough in that aspect — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)
:Clip #4: Speed was good this time. However, you could put the dispensers at different locations, and that would do the trick. That would be much more obvious, as it would take the same number of shots for each. Be sure to zero your metal for this clip.
::Not really sure what you mean here — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)
:::Your dispenser is same position, friendly one is farther away. Demo's the falloff. 
<small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Darkid|Darkid]]''' ([[User talk:Darkid|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Darkid|contribs]]) </small>
:Clip #5: No need for a player there, and lower the health of the sentry too.
::Having a player here helps pointing out the fact that the sentry is out of ammo. The HUD alone is a poor indication — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)
:Clip #6: Wait until AFTER "dispenser down" to start reloading.
::Not a big deal — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)
:Clip #7: Don't start with the dispenser. As per [[Crusader's Crossbow]], demo the simplest first, the airblast kill (suicide?). We already know you can't heal other team's dispensers (from #4), so don't demo it.
::That is demo'd first. The reflect-to-dispenser thing is not really important but it's interesting enough, is good — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)
:::Kill icon isn't shown, I thought that was a requirement? I know we've been lax on it recently, though. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Tough Guy's Toque.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Outback Intellectual.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 17:44, 24 January 2013 (PST)
:Clip #8: Start with the dispenser burning. Record as the blue engie, looking at the dispenser. It won't stop burning, so this should be sufficient. Make sure to get both the pyro and dispenser in-shot. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Tough Guy's Toque.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Outback Intellectual.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 14:31, 24 January 2013 (PST)
::Current clip is fine, let's not demonstrate the bare minimum number of shots just because it's strictly sufficient — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)

Comments added inline on both your and darkid's comments. Not easy to follow though, but maybe easier than yet another big list? Regardless, good luck~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)

::I agree with a lot of these critiques (and thank you for giving them!), though I will wait for the word from wind before I make any final decisions. A few points to raise:
::# I agree the camerawork isn't perfect, I just don't know that it's worth another 3+ hours of render time to iron it out :V Again, I'll wait for the official word there.
::# There was a reason for not immediately turning around from the sentry, but in retrospect it's not a very good one and what I meant to show isn't obvious at all. The third person view is for showing the marked for death effect fading in and out, as per the GRU. I know I've seen people who were unclear on whether the rescue ranger still allows you to pick up buildings normally and whether it still marks you when you do, so I don't think the picking up and redeploying should be omitted. I will probably stick with a level 1 or 2, since the extra redeploy time just makes things take longer (the same would apply to a level 2, but idonno, the dual-barrel sentries are just more aesthetically pleasing and visually clear from a distance)
::# Using wait is an excellent idea here and I feel awfully stupid for forgetting it.
::# Once again, here I had a reason at the time for not putting one blue dispenser further back, and once again in retrospect it was actually a really bad reason :V so I'll move one back for the next try. I was careful to zero my metal, though some does get picked up as I run past the dispensers, which won't be an issue when I redo it.
::# Why lower the health? The repair mechanic has already been demonstrated by that point so I feel like that would just confuse things. I agree the soldier might not be necessary, unfortunately I didn't have a precedent to go on as the wrench demonstration does not include its ammo-replenishing ability. (Though just now I did check the sentry gun video, and it is demonstrated there, ammo not fully depleted, but it IS immediately after firing at an enemy)
::# Even with auto-reload off, the weapon automatically reloads once the clip is depleted. I could only fire 3 bolts, though I feel like 4 is better for making it absolutely clear no damage is being done to the sapper. One thing in a similar vein to your complaint though, I do feel like perhaps I should've waited for "Spy sappin' my sentry!" to finish before firing the first shot.
::# I'm not sure why the first and last complaints are being raised, since I didn't do either of those things, but if Wind would rather have me airblast kill the engineer first then do the dispenser in another clip then I'll do that.
::# If it is necessary for me to redo my approach to this clip, that's how I'll do it, if only because it's a heck of a lot less pain for me, in recording, rendering, AND post-processing :P
:::- As for the note about using a teleporter somewhere, I do agree It's a good idea, the main reason I didn't is because the wrench demonstration never does and it was my precedent for a lot of this. I'm not sure about putting it in the sapper clip, though, maybe replace the friendly dispenser in the repair clip with a teleporter? I feel like it's more clear to demonstrate an effect that it DOES have on multiple kinds of buildings, rather than an ability it DOESN'T. (Side note - should the other end of the teleporter be up somewhere in the room so that the one being shown spins? It would help it stand out more, at least)
::—[[User:Mizuumi|Mizuumi]] 17:42, 24 January 2013 (PST)
:::The above would make more sense in-line, or numbered so I know what you're referring to :) Yes, other tele should be in-room, visible. Probably. :/ I'd wait for wind's say-so here. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Tough Guy's Toque.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Outback Intellectual.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 17:46, 24 January 2013 (PST)
::::Hmm, aren't they numbered? I was labeling everything #1,#2.. until I previewed and saw that the #s were automatically creating a numbered list, at least for me :o but I suppose wiki markup isn't really the most crucial thing to be discussing right now, lol -[[User:Mizuumi|Mizuumi]] 17:59, 24 January 2013 (PST)

:Ahah, oh boy, simultaneous comment edits, now I've gone and made a mess ;u; But in answer to Wind's comment about darkid's suggestion for #4, I'm pretty sure he means have one dispenser/building further back to demonstrate the lack of falloff instead of having them at the same distance and trekking across the room. Other than that, thanks for the notes! What do you think of the idea of putting a teleporter in somewhere? —[[User:Mizuumi|Mizuumi]] 17:49, 24 January 2013 (PST)

:This is really starting to be impossible to read or follow. This time I try not-inline:
:# Camerawork is fine. Not really strict on that except in the Saxxy demo or when it's really really bad or when it's a Portal walkthrough
:# Alright then, keep the redeploying thing but still do the rest.
:# -
:# Yes, move the other dispenser back
:# No need to lower the health, and the player is a good thing. Keep this clip as it is
:# Current clip is fine as well
:# I don't think the weapon has a reflect kill icon from looking at the Wiki page, so might as well leave it out for not wanting to redo the demo once that gets changed... Or perhaps we should show it for the sake of correctness and perhaps to shame Valve a bit. Do what you want
:# Current clip is fine again
:The teleporter thing can be in its own clip or merged in the second clip. Make sure both ends are there and have one or two enemies fire at both ends of the teleporter, to show whether it repairs both ends of the teleporter — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 12:54, 30 January 2013 (PST)

== {{icon item|Vaccinator|16px}} [[Vaccinator]] ==
{{Reservation|- [[User:Uufje|Uufje]] 03:19, 2 January 2013 (PST)}}
: Should it show the perspective of the healing target? The icon on the HUD? The icon shown over players? The Übercharge shield particle effect that other players see?--[[User:Henke37|Henke37]] 06:44, 14 January 2013 (PST)
::Yes. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 07:50, 14 January 2013 (PST)

Alright, this is a very long and complicated one. I tried to show everything as clearly as possible. In retrospect, I don't really know if I should've included the overheal difference clip with the Medi Gun since that's already sort of shown in the Übercharge buildup clip. Anyway, I did my best, and here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrX19KlyZ1k - [[User:Uufje|Uufje]] 13:58, 17 January 2013 (PST)
:Yes, please cut out the overheal difference clip because the clip right after it subsumes it. Also, you didn't show the uber effect on the medic. You should record a set of three other demos for all damage types, but this time with the medic being shot (without an uber target present, to keep things simple and to show that it works without a heal target). Rest is pretty good~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 21:53, 17 January 2013 (PST)
::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gnaj8nmQM0 - [[User:Uufje|Uufje]] 11:59, 20 January 2013 (PST)

Do not forget to show whether or not you and your heal target can capture points, payloads and intelligences while under the effect of uber. --[[User:JacomeFelg|JacomeFelg]] 07:10, 19 January 2013 (PST)
:They can capture objectives while under über effects; the Quick-Fix allows that too and doesn't include a clip about it so that's why it's left out in this demonstration too - [[User:Uufje|Uufje]] 11:59, 20 January 2013 (PST)

This doesn't really demonstrate the effectiveness of the protection. It'd should be two-way split-screens between without-uber/with-uber for each type, like the previous clips (2:40 - 3:19). There's also something else this video doesn't demonstrate which I didn't think of before: whether or not you can view the damage type shield icon thing on enemy medics and patients. Currently it only shows it on the medic as spy, it would be nice to show a Heavy-Medic pair seen from a non-spy's perspective. Rest is good~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:11, 24 January 2013 (PST)

This weapon got patched yesterday, so it's taking a little longer - [[User:Uufje|Uufje]] 02:58, 1 March 2013 (PST)
:Here it is, 28 clips, 7 minutes. Probably the longest demonstration of an actual weapon. Please tell me everything is acceptable, or I'm going to cry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bYJ1FsM7Lk - [[User:Uufje|Uufje]] 04:49, 18 March 2013 (PDT)
::You don't do a splitscreen showing the damage resistance the medic gets for being set to the right type while not ubered.
::This demonstration doesn't note that crits ignore the resistance. It may be a bug, but if so, it's a long-standing one and one that really should be noted.
::You have a '<not-bound>' in the disguise kit menu in the last clip. 
::Just some thought on my part - use them as you will — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 06:19, 18 March 2013 (PDT)

* The clip at 4:00 doesn't have the ubercharge effect. Is it because of the fire effect cancelling it out? If not, needs to be fixed.
* Video quality is not bad but could be better. I think you need to increase the bitrate. To get a feeling for what I am talking about, check out the ubercharge label at the bottom-left in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vH-fL9SevA this video (watch in 720p)] and compare it with the ubercharge label in your video (also in 720p). You'll see that the text is a lot blurrier on your version; possibly because it is being upscaled, possibly because the bitrate is too low, possibly both. This is pretty important for this video because it makes the ubercharge number 90~4) hard to read.
* What Armisael said. Sorry, I know I said two-way split-screen for the medic's own resistance >: But now that I see it, I agree with Armisael that it should be 3-way like the patient's resistance clips are

Good luck, this is a tough demo — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:47, 19 March 2013 (PDT)
:okay :'<
:The Übercharge effect disappears when you get hit by flames. It's a bug, so I can't do anything about it.- [[User:Uufje|Uufje]] 05:12, 20 March 2013 (PDT)
::Does anybody know what causes [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsuZgVxUc3Q this]? It's healing, but it doesn't show the healing beam properly... - [[User:Uufje|Uufje]] 05:39, 27 March 2013 (PDT)
:::I'm guessing it's because you start recording while you were healing. Start when you're not healing, heal, and optionally cut the non-healing part in post — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:25, 29 March 2013 (PDT)

= Cosmetics =
Is it really necessary to do a video for every single item that shares this gimmick? Wouldn't it be simpler to show this for one or two items in the Pyrovision Goggles demonstration video and list the items that do so on the wikia? --[[User:JacomeFelg|JacomeFelg]] 03:58, 28 January 2013 (PST)
:Probably, but now that it's started then it kinda makes more sense to continue than to suddenly delete all videos but one.
:Also the Team Fortress Wiki is not hosted on wikia — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 12:54, 30 January 2013 (PST)

== {{icon item|Boo Balloon|16px}} [[Boo Balloon]] ==
{{c| Pyroland assists}}

== {{icon item|Deadliest Duckling|16px}} [[Deadliest Duckling]] ==
{{c| Pyroland assists}}

== {{icon item|Dead Little Buddy|16px}} [[Dead Little Buddy]] ==
{{c| Pyroland assists}}
I have this, the Unknown Monkeynaught, AND the Boo Balloon, so I can field for all of these but first, can I get a quick refresh on the requirements for a Demostration video, particularly a Pyrovision one? [[File:Nemesis RED.png|19px|Yes I'm Dominating you. GET USED TO IT]][[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|<nowiki>[UGS 2nd]</nowiki>]][[User Talk:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer]] [[Special:Contributions/Lancer anti-tank Rocket|@nti-tank]] [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket/Armoury|Rocket]][[File:Nemesis BLU.png|19px|Yes I'm Dominating you. GET USED TO IT!]] 00:07, 28 February 2013 (GMT)
:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAdUbLhUqU0 here] is example. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 16:19, 27 February 2013 (PST)
::Ohhhh...Don't think my monitor has the required resolutions...unless I borrow one...still hate that my other one shorted out on me... [[File:Nemesis RED.png|19px|Yes I'm Dominating you. GET USED TO IT]][[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|<nowiki>[UGS 2nd]</nowiki>]][[User Talk:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer]] [[Special:Contributions/Lancer anti-tank Rocket|@nti-tank]] [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket/Armoury|Rocket]][[File:Nemesis BLU.png|19px|Yes I'm Dominating you. GET USED TO IT!]] 00:46, 28 February 2013 (GMT)
:Aww. It also kind of sucks that Source games can't be played at a higher resolution than the monitor's resolution, even if the graphics card supports it — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 19:18, 28 February 2013 (PST)
::I could try and borrow a better monitor, but we're kinda banging rocks together at this stage, trying to see what can happen... [[File:Nemesis RED.png|19px|Yes I'm Dominating you. GET USED TO IT]][[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|<nowiki>[UGS 2nd]</nowiki>]][[User Talk:Lancer anti-tank Rocket|Lancer]] [[Special:Contributions/Lancer anti-tank Rocket|@nti-tank]] [[User:Lancer anti-tank Rocket/Armoury|Rocket]][[File:Nemesis BLU.png|19px|Yes I'm Dominating you. GET USED TO IT!]] 18:51, 1 March 2013 (GMT)

== {{icon item|Reindoonicorn|16px}} [[Reindoonicorn]] ==
{{c| Pyroland assists}}

== {{icon item|Steel Songbird|16px}} [[Steel Songbird]] ==
{{c| Pyroland assists}}

[http://youtu.be/lD4txf2m6PY Since it wasn't listed yet, I decided to take care of it,] given how cheap it was to get it, anyway. [http://www.mediafire.com/?i8aspsvm6dp3z9f Download it here.] --[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 14:24, 6 April 2013 (PDT)
:In the loadout view, The Pyrovision Goggles was in its hovered state at the beginning of the clip (it has a lighter background) even though it is not being hovered, visible at 0:13. Also, somehow something pretty bad happened to the left part of the Sniper Rifle and Kukri clips (only the left part). Their framerate seems pretty stuttery, even though individual frames look fine. Might want to rerender those — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

== {{icon item|Tux|16px}} [[Tux]] ==
{{c| Pyroland assists}}

== {{icon item|Unknown Monkeynaut|16px}} [[Unknown Monkeynaut]] ==
{{c| Pyroland assists}}

= Need to be redone=
== {{icon item|Atomizer|16px}} [[Atomizer]] ==
{{c|Should show that the triple jump ability is applied regardless of which weapon is being used.}}
:OK — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

{{c|Demonstration feels a bit too slow.}}
:Disagree, and that wouldn't be a valid reason to redo the demonstration anyway — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

{{c|Few clips such as third person jumping and attacking the Heavy should be removed.}} [[User:Hermit527|Hermit527]] 7:07, 6 April 2013 (PST)
:Third person clip is meant to show the purple jump trail, although it does a poor job at it. It should feature more jumps, perhaps one where the scout jump backwards, in order to be more visible — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

== {{icon item|Bat Outta Hell|16px}} [[Bat Outta Hell]] ==
{{c|Skins when on the BLU team has been updated.}}

{{Reservation|[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 17:22, 3 April 2013 (PDT)}}

Since I can now do 1080p, I can possibly show of the jigglebones (provided they show up at 60 fps). --[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 17:22, 3 April 2013 (PDT)
:[http://youtu.be/i7mpAnKhwbw There we have it, at 60 fps.] [http://www.mediafire.com/?568946zatd9sc48 Download it here.] --[[User:Akuago220|Akuago220, The Jungle Expeditioner]] 07:59, 5 April 2013 (PDT)
::Akuago, So you can make the jigglebone jiggle, maybe I need to add many wep those not jiggle to redone section? [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 08:50, 6 April 2013 (PDT)
:::We've always had the ability to record jigglebones. cl_jigglebone_framerate_cutoff 1 lets you get them as long as you're pulling at least 1 fps. The problem is that we can't get them using source recorder (and that the unarmed combat evidently has terrible jigglebones - but that's another matter). — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 08:53, 6 April 2013 (PDT)
:If you upload a 60fps video file to youtube, youtube will chop off every other frame and only serve a 30fps video (right-click on the video player -> show video info). Thus, if you want to put a 60fps on there, you need to do the same thing SrcDemo2 does (blend it down to 30 frames per second). For a 60fps video, that just means merging every odd frame with the corresponding even frame to get a blended 30 frames per second video — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

=={{icon item|Buffalo Steak Sandvich|16px}} [[Buffalo Steak Sandvich]]==
{{c|Needs to show that a dropped steak can be picked up by an enemy.}} --[[User:InstantMan|InstantMan]] 13:06, 5 April 2013 (PDT)
:Alright — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

=={{icon item|Candy Cane|16px}} [[Candy Cane]]==
{{Reservation|[[User:Writeline|Writeline]] 17:09, 3 April 2013 (PDT)}}

{{c|Needs to show the blast damage penalty regardless of which weapon you're holding.}}

{{c|Needs to show the health pack can be used by both teammates and enemies.}}--[[User:Uknownada|Uknownada]] 23:26, 30 March 2013 (PDT)
:Very well — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:33, 2 April 2013 (PDT)

=={{icon item|Eyelander|16px}} [[Eyelander]]==
{{c|Should show the Health comparison between the Eyelander and the default. This applies to all the other reskins.}} [[User:Hermit527|Hermit527]] 7:29, 6 April 2013 (PST)
:That would need to be done for other health levels as well. Not sure if it's worth it, considering that means a lot of new clips for little value. Please poot votes here~ — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)
:: I think it would better to just demonstrate with 0 and 4 heads. The Demoman would probably be dead from a rocket with one head or two, unless using the Direct Hit for the other health levels. [[User:Hermit527|Hermit527]] 18:10, 6 April 2013 (PST)
::I really don't think it's necessary - at some point we have to assume our viewers aren't total idiots and are willing to either look at the wiki article or notice how the weapon works. If we 'are' going to do this, then we should definitely do it at all health levels - the choice between stock and the DH and falloff provides a sufficiently fine gradation to create a difference at all health levels. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 18:25, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

=={{icon item|Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker|16px}} [[Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker]]==
{{c|Should show the Health comparison between the Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker and the default. This applies to all the other reskins.}} [[User:Hermit527|Hermit527]] 7:29, 6 April 2013 (PST)
:See Eyelander section — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

=={{icon item|Nessie's Nine Iron|16px}} [[Nessie's Nine Iron]]==
{{c|Should show the Health comparison between the Nessie's Nine Iron and the default. This applies to all the other reskins.}} [[User:Hermit527|Hermit527]] 7:29, 6 April 2013 (PST)
:See Eyelander section — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

== {{icon item|Pain Train|16px}} [[Pain Train]] ==
{{Reservation|[[User:Writeline|Writeline]] 15:12, 4 April 2013 (PDT)}}

{{c|Should show that the bullet vulnerability is applied regardless of which weapon is being used.}} [[User:Hermit527|Hermit527]] 21:54, 17 March 2013 (PST)
:Alright. This can be added as a third screen at 0:28. While we're at it, might as well add a third screen to the point capture clip as well (have pain train equipped, wait for a bit, equip rocket launcher, step on point). Same deal for demoman — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 22:47, 19 March 2013 (PDT)
::Unfortunately, I do not have the adequate tools to redo the demonstration so I would appreciate it if someone else could do it. [[User:Hermit527|Hermit527]] 15:41, 20 March 2013 (PST)
:::I'd be glad to. [[User:Writeline|Writeline]] 15:12, 4 April 2013 (PDT)
::::I'm Still doing this demonstration, and I'm almost done.[[User:Jhay|Jhay]] 19:49, 4 April 2013 (PDT)
:::::Sorry, pal. But you didn't have any update about your demonstration in a week, Jhay. So I removed your reservation because it listed in the rules that "The reservation is only valid for a week", so Writeline can do this demo because your reservation ended. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 20:20, 4 April 2013 (PDT)
::::::To be honest, Let Jhay finish his part first. If he's almost done, then lets see the end result first. Instead of just scrapping it all. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] 20:25, 4 April 2013 (PDT)
:::::::Please don't try to upset the reservation system. It's worked quite well for quite some time, and I rather not see a return to the days of free-for-all video posting. — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 21:22, 4 April 2013 (PDT)
::::::Sorry Jhay :( But please upload what you have done so far, in order to see if you've made some mistakes, so that you can avoid doing them in future demonstrations — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

:For some reason, the render of it is showing the crit dialog in the message box. What's with this? Does this not have to be there for this to be accepted? I AM using source recorder. [[User:Writeline|Writeline]] 08:24, 6 April 2013 (PDT)
::What do you mean by "crit dialog"? — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

=={{icon item|Powerjack|16px}} [[Powerjack]]==
{{reservation|— [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 08:20, 5 April 2013 (PDT)}}
{{c|Needs to show that the melee vulnerable still applies regardless of which weapon is being used.}} --[[User:InstantMan|InstantMan]] 15:11, 4 April 2013 (PDT)
: I think it should be {{c|Needs to show that the melee vulnerable applies only Powerjack.}} (+20% melee vulnerable '''when active''') [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:38, 4 April 2013 (PDT)

http://youtu.be/ekSsSeJi53E — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 08:20, 5 April 2013 (PDT)
:Please have one clip for the stock pyro (3-way split-screen: pyro with fire axe, pyro with powerjack, pyro with powerjack but switches away from it), and wait a little longer before the demoman starts to swing his axe — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

=={{icon item|Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol|16px}} [[Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol]]==
{{c|Needs to show that the fire vulnerable still applies regardless of which weapon is being used.}} --[[User:InstantMan|InstantMan]] 15:03, 4 April 2013 (PDT)
:http://youtu.be/2Rhwzr7huZc — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 14:19, 5 April 2013 (PDT)
:Maybe want to have 3-way split-screens as well for the fire resistance — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

=={{icon item|Red-Tape Recorder|16px}} [[Red-Tape Recorder]]==
{{c|Fixed death notice and sapped dispenser not stop healing players}}
:If I'm not wrong, Karma talked to me that he'll take a break from doing demo (Last time he said this demo he rendered more than 20 times to got 1 successful video.) [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 22:32, 3 April 2013 (PDT)
::Yes sorry about that wind , i'll be back soon. [[File:Charger 2.png|20px|]] [[User:Karmacharger|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Karmacharger</span>]] 6:28  ,  4/4/2013 (PDT)
:::Alright >: — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

=={{icon item|Sandvich|16px}} [[Sandvich]]==
{{c|Needs to show that a dropped sandvich can be picked up by an enemy.}} --[[User:InstantMan|InstantMan]] 13:03, 5 April 2013 (PDT)
:Alright — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

=={{icon item|Southern Hospitality|16px}} [[Southern Hospitality]]==

{{c|Needs to show that the fire vulnerable still applies regardless of which weapon being used}}

{{c|Uses horizontal split screen at the fire vulnerable clip}} --[[User:InstantMan|InstantMan]] 15:20, 3 April 2013 (PDT)
:Second reason is a bit weak but first reason stands — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

=={{icon item|Sydney Sleeper|16px}} [[Sydney Sleeper]]==
{{c|Needs to show the Jarate effect can be applied when Spy disguises as a teammate (in the video, it's an enemy).}}
:No, not necessary — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:33, 2 April 2013 (PDT)

{{c|The scoping comparison is hard to figure out. Maybe add a "ding" when they're charged?}}--[[User:Uknownada|Uknownada]] 12:32, 1 April 2013 (PDT)
:This however is a good suggestion, it would make it easier to feel the difference in the 0:47 clip. Still, by itself, it probably wouldn't be enough for a redo, but since it's on the old map I'll accept it :3
:Also, may want to show that the piss washes off faster when sitting next to a dispenser, much like it already shows that you can get rid of it by going into water — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 17:33, 2 April 2013 (PDT)

{{reservation|— [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 20:52, 2 April 2013 (PDT)}}
:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7I5GLdXi9g Perhaps this should also show an ally getting the benefit of the jarate, a là the demoman in the jarate demo? — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 10:27, 4 April 2013 (PDT)
::Sure — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] 16:29, 6 April 2013 (PDT)

=Questions and Proposals=
'''Note: This section is for questions and proposals that aren't specific to a single weapon. If you think a demo ought to be remade, then make an entry for it in the [[Team_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Weapon_Demonstration#Need_to_be_redone|Need to be Redone]] section above and it will be dealt with.'''