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| − | "All classes have varying height, with the Engineer being the shortest and the Heavy being the tallest class."
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| − | Isnt the Sniper slightly taller than the Heavy? --[[User:Picard|Picard]] 20:51, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | *Normaly yes, because the heavy slouches. When the heavy stands up straight he is the tallest.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 21:08, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | *It looks like the Heavy is bigger, but if they're both standing up straight, the Sniper is taller. [[User:ISmile03|ISmile03]] 15:57, 5 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Size ==
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| − | I know all that other stuff you added is true, but is that stuff about the Huntsman true? That would explain a lot --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 03:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I'm not entirely sure, but based on the fact it uses the projectile hitbox makes me believe it can't know where the head's bullet hitbox is. I'm guessing it calculates headshots something like "if you hit anywhere in the top sixth of the hitbox then arrow in face", where "top sixth" would be some sort of coded measurement thought to be a good average. I would suggest someone test this. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] 03:45, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::That would explain a lot indeed. I noticed using the Ambassador, I have to aim in odd spots to obtain a headshot. E.G., I have to aim for the soldier's neck. -- [[User:Flying Pyro|Flying Pyro]] 20:06, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Beta Health == | |
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| − | With all the class pages, do you think we should add a "Beta Health" In the health section of a class' page? I mean, now with the double health in the beta...
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| − | [[User:Mentlegen|Mentlegen]] 02:01, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :We could, but do we know how long the double health is going to last? [[User:The Man with No Name|The Man with No Name]] 02:03, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::This isn't necessary. All Beta talk is kept out of all the other articles, everything related to the Beta stays on the Beta article. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 02:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Class pages melee chart==
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| − | Can we just take out the "ammo loaded" and "ammo carried" parts of the melee weapons table under the individual classes? Since everything says N/A, I figure it would help clean out unnecessary space. If we had to, we could also separate the melee part from the taunt part.
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| − | [[User:BASEBALLFURIES|BASEBALLFURIES]] 19:18, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :What about the Sandman ? [[User:Godlike11219|NoWhereMan(DSvY) "Ich machen liebe Lannnnng" ]] 19:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::Hmmm. Point taken. Perhaps an exception could be made for Scout. However, I would also mention that when the ball is launched, running over an ammo crate does not replenish it. Maybe some other wording?
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| − | ::[[User:BASEBALLFURIES|BASEBALLFURIES]] 20:08, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Disciplinary Action speed boost ==
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| − | Should we add Disciplinary Action speed boosts this to the speed table? and what about the quick fix? Also Does a Whipped GRU Heavy Run as fast a Scout? [[User:Nutter|Nutter]] 11:11, 11 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Combination with Ali Baba's Wee Booties with swords ==
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| − | Should we add these in the health chart? {{User:Denmax/Signature}} 08:25, 18 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : Yes, it's a possible health number that Demoman can have, so why not? [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 08:54, 18 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::On that, right now there's a breakdown for Eyelander-equivalent per head without the Booties. Should there be a similar breakdown for equipped Eyelander-equivalent per head coupled with the Booties? I am leaning towards yes, due to the prevalence of demoknighting. ==[[User:FaxCelestis|FaxCelestis]] 11:24, 16 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == The opening section of this article ==
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| − | I think the class links at the top of the page need to be removed, considering they're repeated about 6 lines south. Maybe add a small section at the bottom about the civilian, though. --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 21:51, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == (Sniper Rifle, Sydney Sleeper, Bazaar Bargain, or Machina zoomed and Cozy Camper) ==
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| − | Is that truly accurate with 4.8? That seems like 6% total (94% loss) instead of 60% off (40% loss)...-[[User:Firekip|Firekip]] 10:52, 16 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Headless Horseman's speed under water? ==
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| − | I just added a column for speeds underwater(.8 of forward move speed) and added N/A for the Horseman since Mann Manor has no water but custom servers can spawn this bot in other maps and so I'm not sure weather he'll be affected by water or not. [[User:DAn|DAn]] 18:28, 24 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Character Appearances? ==
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| − | In the character pages, we should talk about what they look like. Just a simple idea. Anyone agree? [[User:ISmile03|ISmile03]] 05:42, 5 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Real world speed question ==
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| − | What is the ratio being used to convert HU/s to MPH. I looked at the Valve Developer Network and they have speed conversions listed for Half Life 2, but they also say everything in TF2 is 'bigger'. --[[User:Org|Org]] 01:05, 6 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Speed Question: Brass Camper ==
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| − | I know this technically isn't possible unless it was on a modded server, but how slow would a Heavy be if he was using the Brass Beast with the Cozy Campter equipped? This is also implying if the Cozy Campter is activated when "Alt-fire" is being used.--[[User:Uknownada|Uknownada]] 17:26, 23 August 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :I have no idea. The speed rules for TF2 have so many edge cases it made getting this data a pain. However if you want to find out join a modded server, and put in <code>cl_showpos 1</code> into the console. The third line will be your speed. Divide that by 300 to get the percentage. --[[User:Org|Org]] 19:40, 23 August 2012 (PDT)
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| − | ::Well, I got lucky enough to get that layout on a Randomizer server, although I was Demoman. The Cozy Camper's speed change only affects when you're using a Sniper weapon, so my theory will remain unproven.
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| − | ::But now here's a new one: Which is slower, a Heavy with a Baby Face Blaster at 0%, a Heavy with Brass Beast wound up, or a Heavy with a Sniper Rifle and Cazy Camper? And how slow would it be if, say, he had the Scottman's Skullcutter?--[[User:Uknownada|Uknownada]] 21:04, 8 September 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :::Well, not that any of you care, I just got lucky enough to get the Cozy Camper with a Cow Mangler as Sniper. The slowness applied, which means the Cozy Camper was programmed to work only with the Sniper (except the health regeneration). Interestingly useless knowledge.--[[User:Uknownada|Uknownada]] 23:36, 18 September 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Regarding the Quick-Fix ==
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| − | The Quick Fix as a medic will immediately give you the run speed of any faster class, if they're going faster than you are. That includes (that I KNOW FOR SURE): Demoman: with heads and charging. Scout: With BFB, Crit-A-Cola blaster, etc. Pyro: Powerjack. Medic: Overdose + any Ubercharge level. Soldier: Disciplinary Action (Plus anyone it applies to). It's mentioned that you do run faster while healing anyone faster than you in the blurb above the speed table, but down in the list it simply shows 'Healing a scout' maybe it should just say 'Healing faster target: see that speed' something along those lines? [[User:Noble VI|Noble VI]] ([[User talk:Noble VI|talk]]) 16:59, 25 April 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == Featured article candidate ==
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| − | [[User:Obito101man|Obito101man]] ([[User talk:Obito101man|talk]]) 05:25, 3 June 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == Missing Details: Speed Table ==
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| − | The [[Template:Class speed table/Spy|Spy's section of Speed Table]] has missing details, including "Disguised as Pyro", "Disguised as Engineer", and "Disguised as Spy".
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| − | :We don't note it because those classes have the same speed as Spy. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 05:48, 21 February 2015 (PST)
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| − | We're also missing the Bootie's new speed boost and combinations thereof. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 16:56, 18 September 2015 (PDT)
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| − | == Conch speed boost ==
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| − | Should the conch speed boost be added, at least for soldier? Mostly because of the combo with the escape plan
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| − | <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Henriquecm8|Henriquecm8]]''' ([[User talk:Henriquecm8|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Henriquecm8|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | Make sure to sign your comment with a signature, and probably not, because it is on their respective pages.
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| − | [[File:User MrJohnson Signature.png|link=User:MrJohnson]] [[User:MrJohnson|MrJohnson]] ([[User talk:MrJohnson|talk]]) 08:07, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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| − | == speed units ==
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| − | The speed is given in percentage, hu/s and mi/h, then why is it not given in km/h? [[User:PouLS|PouLS]] ([[User talk:PouLS|talk]]) 20:31, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
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| − | :It appears when the template was made it was made quite complex with all kinds of maths, I'll try and remake the template to just use regular numbers instead so this can be added but that may still be a while.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 20:41, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
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| − | == Buffalo Steak Sandvich ==
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| − | Please fix the Buffalo Steak Sandvich. Speed boost similar to GRU (299HU/s).310 HU/s only appears while you use steak with any speed melee. <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Walter White|Walter White]]''' ([[User talk:Walter White|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Walter White|contribs]]) 11:36 CEST 09-09-2022</small>
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| − | :Sign your comments using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. The current speed template is very hard to edit, so it'll likely be replaced with a new template where it'll be fixed.<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 09:39, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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| − | == What counts as normal forward speed? ==
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| − | The article mentions that the speed cap for normal forward speed is 520v or 173% but refuses to elaborate on what is considered normal forward speed. Is there a list?
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| − | [[User:Zarioo12|Zarioo12]] ([[User talk:Zarioo12|talk]]) 15:04, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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| − | :[[Classes#Speed|"Note that forward speed is obtained by pressing the forward, left, or right keys"]]<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 15:07, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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| − | == subclass ==
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| − | shouldn't that be covered by the glossary of player terms? it doesn't really fit where it is imo
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| − | --[[User:MEMEScouty|(M)(S)(C)(O)(U)(T)(Y)]] ([[User talk:MEMEScouty|talk]]) 07:20, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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| − | :It's fine if it's on both pages. It's related to classes.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=Wiki Cap]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 11:28, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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| − | == Spy disguise move speeds ==
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| − | As a few of the Spy's disguises share the same move speeds, would it not be preferable to combine those rows to clear up the table and make it a bit easier to read? I would suggest changing it to:
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| − | Disguised as a Scout, Medic, or enemy Spy
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| − | Disguised as a Pyro, Engineer, or Sniper
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| − | Disguised as a Demoman
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| − | [[User:OlimarAlpha|OlimarAlpha]] ([[User talk:OlimarAlpha|talk]]) 16:55, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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| − | :These speeds could be changed at any time, as we saw in the Meet Your Match Update with Spy, instead of having to remake the rows each time we just keep them separate.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=Wiki Cap]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) 17:02, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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| − | ::While it's true the base speed values of the classes could change, this has only happened once in the game's history. It is unlikely to happen again and it is almost certainly not going to be a common occurrence. The rows would need editing anyway even if there were speed changes, so it makes sense to reduce the number of rows to remove redundant information and improve readability.<br>[[User:OlimarAlpha|OlimarAlpha]] ([[User talk:OlimarAlpha|talk]]) 02:11, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
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