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| − | The Rimmed Raincatcher must be updated in this template to denote that it can exist with Unusual quality. This change was added as part of the Febuary 14, 2011 Patch.
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| − | [[User:SnowCanary|SnowCanary]] 17:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | Here it is stated that Unusual Beak/Phantom could only found previously. That is untrue, they can still very much be found! [[User:Benvil|Benvil]] 08:38, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ==Merge==
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| − | IMHO, we needn't so small article. It will be appropriate to merge it with [[Quality]]. These articles have the same theme. - [[User:Aperture AI|Grand-O-Rand]] 22:20, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|Support}} You beat me there. Shock394 18:43, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|Support}} Yeah, this merge proposal looks right to me [[User:Cthulhu1992|Cthulhu1992]] 09:17, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|Support}} I agree. [[User:Zoon-li|Zoon-li]] 18:41, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|Support}} Why not. -- [[User:Nightbox|<font color="#008000">Nightbox</font>]]<sub> ([[User_talk:Nightbox|t]] <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.steamcommunity.com/id/nightbox s])</span></sub> 09:48, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | : {{c|No}}. They already were merged with that article at one point however we decided to split them for a few reasons, one that there is likely going to be more lists like this made and another being that we document the qualities themselves there. Not the items that "can" have them, since any item in the game can technically have any other quality. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 10:23, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|Support}} Go ahead and merge it. On it own it feels really lacking, and since the lists are hidden by default they won't be in the way within the quality article. [[User:Ailure|Ailure]] 12:03, 14 March 2011 (UTC) | |
| − | :: {{c|No}}. I just gave the reasons the lists aren't in the article itself anymore, and this was not one of them. However it is also a valid reason because assuming a person has JS (what allows the lists to be hidden) enabled by default is not always a good idea on a wiki. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 13:08, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::{{c|Support}} DO IT -
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| − | This is a really pointless page it's basically the same topic as quality but in a different way. This should really be on one page for reader convenience. '''<span style="font-family:aharoni; font-size:110%; font-style:italic;">[[File:RED Überneedle.png|42px|link=User:Lexar]] - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User:Lexar|Lexar]]</span> - <span style="text-decoration:underline">[[User talk:Lexar|talk]]</span></span>''' 11:12, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::{{c|Nope.avi}} A wiki is not designed primarily for reader convenience. I must make it clear that these lists were already part of the quality page at one time but were removed for the reasons I gave above. Please read them. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 11:37, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|Oppose}}: There's no need at all. Just a link from there suffices. – [[User:Smashman|<font color=#507D2A>Smashman</font>]]<sub> ([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> 11:40, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::{{c|Oppose}} These lists frankly shouldn't even exist to begin with. Quality can very easily be change by Valve as we've seen recently; adding this to [[Quality]] would only serve to make that article a target for yet more useless edits. In light of recent events as mentioned, I'll go as far as propose for these lists to be deleted. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 16:27, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::I'd say the opposite, these lists are needed more then ever. Yes quality can be changed for anything at anytime by Valve. If these lists didn't exist how would a newbie to the game know which items exist in vintage quality? Before yesterdays update they'd have to look through 100 pages to see which ones were released before the Mannconomy update. And now without this list I bet you could not name which weapons were made vintage recently. You may not care about this information but a lot of people do. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 20:53, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::: Should we also document what is "available" in terms of Community and Self-Made? Flukes such as the TTG Lugermorph fiasco? Vintage Max Heads (Biiig market for those) and 119 medals? A newbie isn't going to be interested or potentially even aware of the implications of Vintage, the actual audience in this case will be traders. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 23:23, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::::Whether we like it or not trading '''is''' part of the game now. A player will want to know why other players value their vintage weapons more than unique ones, why he'll have trouble trading his unique one for a vintage one and why others are making a fuss over a vintage Max's Severed Head or vintage Bill's hat. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 23:33, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::::: I fail to see what relevance that arguement has to these lists. All of those examples you state are solved by the explanations on Quality, such as valuation of Vintage over Unique; not these lists. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 00:03, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::Because for one reason or another people are interested in knowing which items can exist in which quality, as seen [http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1794436 here]. An explanation of the quality is not helpful. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 00:16, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::: That doesn't answer my question. You stated that new players would want to know why their Uniques weren't as values as Vintages. [[Quality]] explains that, not these lists. Citing a recent SPUF thread in the immediate period is hardly a compelling arguement either, of course people are going to be curious just after an update, that doesn't mean there is a consistant demand. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 00:36, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
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