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| − | May I change the speed part to match the format of the health (main slash tooltip format)? --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] 09:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
| + | == Missing "Promotional" text on Promotional weapons. == |
| − | :The slash is meant to indicate a separation between normal and overhealed. It doesn't make sense for it to separate normal speed and speed from some other condition, and it would be incosistent with the other class articles. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 09:16, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::I thought the slash format was just "original / different from original due to a specific condition", regardless if it has to do with health. You downright lost me on your second sentence. It wouldn't be inconsistent if the other class' pages underwent the same change. I see absolutely no difference between having the slashes and tooltips on the health and on the running speeds. Both right-of-slash numbers would indicate a change or different condition. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] 13:25, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Legionaire's Lid ==
| + | The Original, Concheror, and Righteous Bison are all listed as being obtainable only by crafting, instead of Promotional/Craft, which reflects the fact that promotions ran that gave these items. [[User:EerieDreary|EerieDreary]] ([[User talk:EerieDreary|talk]]) 15:51, 19 January 2024 (UTC) |
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| − | I was going through the game files earlier to help with translating a couple of names into Dutch when I encountered this:<Br>
| + | :Note that it's not meant to be the only way to obtain them.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] | [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] | [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 16:58, 19 January 2024 (UTC) |
| − | "[english]TF_SoldierRomanHelmet" "Legionaire's Lid"<br>
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| − | "[english]TF_SoldierRomanHelmet_Desc" "An antique from the late Imperial Gallic period."<br>
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| − | When I searched on google, I found a sole mention in the Steam forums ([http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=17194136]), but other then that, no mention at all. Should we add anything about this, if not in the Soldier page, in the scrapped items article? Or do we leave it untouched for the time being? I'm sorry if this has been mentioned before, but I couldn't find anything else about this on here or the web for that matter. -- [[User:Hefaistus|Hefaistus]] 19:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Hm, I don't know the usual way of dealing with these unconfirmed, vague references to items, which I'd say obviously takes preference. I don't really think we have enough information to actually start an article, but that might just be me. ~ <code>[[User:Lhavelund|<font color=red><span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'''lhavelund'''</span></font>]]</code> <sup>([[User_talk:lhavelund|talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/lhavelund|contrib]])</sup> 19:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Contribute item. I do recall seeing it on FPSB. Too bad it's not fully implemented. -- [[User:Vi3trice|<font color=#771d6d>'''Vi3trice'''</font>]] {{adm}} <sub>([[User_talk:Vi3trice|talk]])</sub> 19:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == trivia ==
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| − | where are all trivia? are they all gone? <small>--''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' [[User: Jem | Jem ]] ([[User talk: Jem |talk]]) • [[Special:Contributions/ Jem |contribs]]) 21:59, 6 November 2010 </small>
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| − | :http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Soldier&action=history --[[User:CruelCow|CruelCow]] 21:03, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I found out last night through bodygroups that parts of the soldier's model include the Gentle Mann's medal and a rocket in his left hand. Is this trivia worthy? I found it interesting. [[User:Big G|Big G]] 16:51, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == New taunt kill icon ==
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| − | Is there any way to add the Holy Hand Grenade taunt kill icon into the Equalizer info box? [[User:GeminiViRiS|<font color="green" size="2px">GeminiViRiS</font>]] [[Image:User GeminiViRiS Doubleface.jpg|20px]] [[User_talk:GeminiViRiS|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/GeminiViRiS|Contribs]] 21:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)\
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| − | Probably not necessary. [[User:Pierow|Pierow]] 05:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | Speaking of Kill Icons, how come some are missing?
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| − | [[User:Geno|Geno]] 12:17, 2 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Cow Mangler 5000 ==
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| − | With last nights patch does it still have the increased base damage on the charged shot?
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| − | [[User:Cryllic|Cryllic]] 08:37, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : I'm not sure. I did notice, however, that I was unable to one hit kill 150 HP classes with it like I used to, so maybe it did lower. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 08:41, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Soldier using alias? ==
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| − | When and where was this announced that this is a false name?[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 12:02, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : It actually never was as far as I remember. I guess we just kind of assumed. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 12:04, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::A John Doe is a name for a person who wishes to remain anonymous, is unknown or can be used as a generic term. The female equivalent is Jane Doe. {{W|John Doe|Wikipedia has a nice article about it}}. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 12:07, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :: Why did you assume that? I mean he refers to himself as that, the administrator in the War comic and the Replay comic calls him Doe. It looks just the same as the Demoman, so why assume the Soldier is using a false name and not the Demoman? Also isn't it speculation that its false, and doesn't that make it against wiki rules to write that?[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 12:08, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::: Yes, it does seem like speculation on our part. I guess nobody has really thought about it until now. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 12:09, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::It's a joke name, but not a false name. I think this false name idea is speculation at best.[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 12:10, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::: Gah! you answer so quick, I'm talking several questions before![[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 12:11, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::I think it's quite clearly not his real name. It goes with his character of just another generic soldier, another nameless face; ie a John Doe. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 12:16, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::: But it's still an assumption. We're never told it's not his real name. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 12:22, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::Well, there ''are'' around 11,000 people in America with the last name Doe, so it's not out of the question that it's his real surname. The idea of his first name being Jane is probably what makes people think it's a fake name. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|Blether]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|Contreebs]])</small> 12:25, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::: I don't think it's clear at all and I want to know what evidence you have to prove your theory is more than speculation. Plenty of characters in comic fiction have been called thing like John Doe and the joke being everyone assumes its a false name, or film dirctors called Allan Smithie, and that turns out to be their real name. As far as I can see in tf2 no character ever says anything that hints the name is false, when the administrator talks to him she says Mr Doe not Mr "Doe" or any other way of showing a name is false. I know where the name comes from but as far as I can see the joke is the reveal that the hitherto unknown Soldier's real name is the same name given to unknown soldiers, and then gave him a female version just to add extra humour. But again speculation isn't allowed on the wiki, what proof is there in tf2 from the blog, game or comics that the name is false?[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 12:26, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::: John Wayne's first name was Marion and, believe it or not, there are American men named Jane, Jill and Sarah.[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 12:28, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::::::: But that's beside the point, as far as I can see Valve has named the character Jane Doe, what tf2 evidence is there otherwise?[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 12:30, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::::::::A joke explained is a joke ruined, and this is quite a clear joke. Do you want Valve to explain every joke to you or do you really expect Valve to come out with a statement and say it's not his real name? No doubt there are people called John Doe and Jane Doe but that changes nothing. The name is '''overwhelmingly''' associated with anonymous, incognito people or those without a name. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 12:32, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::::::Speculation and assumtion, no different to saying the Sniper is called Rick because of Ritzy Ricks hair fixture, or the Scout is not really from Boston this is a lie he told, his accent proves it.[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 12:35, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::::::::::Ah, now explain why the Sniper's name isn't Ritzy Rick by your logic? (Before the replay comic) '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 12:37, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::::::::::: Uhh, I can't. That was my point. You have no more evidence that Jane Doe is a false name than any other piece of fan-fcition or fan-theories (How did you not get that I was making up silly but vaguely credible theories to show level of proof required?)[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 12:42, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::::::::::It is just the kind of thing Valve would do, isn't it, giving the Soldier a female name. I say we go ahead and change the article to make it his real name instead of an alias, unless it does say that anywhere in the comics. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|Blether]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|Contreebs]])</small> 12:36, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::::::::::: Yes I agree to change it. There's no proof it's an alias. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 12:40, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::::::::::::Thirded, but will gladly take it back if any Team Fortress proof arises.[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 12:43, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::::::::::Disagree. You're taking a joke literally. Next we'll be changing the TF2 article to say it's actually a war-themed hat simulator because Valve have not issued a statement declaring it a joke. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 12:47, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::::::::::: The administrator called him Mr. Doe, and she isn't one for joking. What other time was Valve joking about a character's name? [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 12:52, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::::::::::::::Moussekateer we know that you think the joke is that he uses a false name. Whilst others think the joke is that the unknown soldiers real name is that of an unknown Soldier (and that the manly man has a girly name). But look at the wiki rules regarding the burdon of proof, you can't just say that your interpretation is canon. Without evidence you have no grounds to object upon under the wiki rules.[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 12:53, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::::::::::::Balladofwindfishes, she calls him that because that is the name he's given himself. If [http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definitions/John%20Doe?cx=partner-pub-0939450753529744%3Av0qd01-tdlq&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=John%20Doe&sa=Search#922 these references] don't help I don't know what will. MEDUNN, we can't take everything literally. You're asking the impossible of me. If you really want to be that anal about facts I'm sure I could come up with a bunch of stuff that you would find impossible to disprove using a source but you would know was false from common sense. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 13:01, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::::::::::::::::If asking you to provide some proof for your theory is asking the impossible, then I can't see how it is anything other speculation.[[User:MEDUNN|MEDUNN]] 13:07, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::::::::::::Simple, ask Robin. —'''[[User:GeminiViRiS|<font color="green" size="2px">GeminiViRiS</font>]]''' [[Image:User GeminiViRiS Doubleface.jpg|20px|link=User:GeminiViRiS]] [[User_talk:GeminiViRiS|Talk]]{{md}}[[Special:Contributions/GeminiViRiS|Contribs]] 12:57, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :[unindent] If it's that big of a deal, leave it off of the article altogether, just like Pyro, Scout or Medic. [[User:Coreycubed|coreycubed]] / [[User talk:Coreycubed|talk]] 13:04, 3 August 2011 (PDT) | |
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| − | We have no way of knowing whether its an alias or not. For now, I'd say the best thing would be to acknowledge that. The "names" should be taken out of the opening summary, and left only in the bio. In the bio, we'll just write "Mister Jane Doe, possible alias". Simple. Also, jeezus, indent monsters. --[[User:SilverHammer|SilverHammer]] 13:07, 3 August 2011 (PDT)
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