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| − | == Strange Quality items. == | + | == Color of tobor_a quality? == |
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| − | It appears that any weapon from a crate is now a strange weapon, We need to fully explore these new weapons to see if they have any other unique characteristics--[[User:Nintyuk|Nintyuk]] 04:25, 24 June 2011 (PDT)
| + | Did the tobor_a quality have an attached color? [[User:Missingtextures|Missingtextures]] ([[User talk:Missingtextures|talk]]) 23:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC) |
| − | :There aren't any. They count kills and "level up"; seems to be the limit of their functionality. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 04:43, 24 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | Strange quality items have their killcount reset when traded.
| + | :Can't check now anymore, unless you download the update where it was added from Steam. But the other qualities don't seem to have one in the items_game.txt so I wouldn't count on it.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC) |
| − | --[[User:Phaser Rave|Phaser Rave]] 13:57, 25 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | The Chargin Targe doesn't appear to tally any kills even if you kill with the charge, probably because it's not an active weapon, but a passive one. I haven't submitted a bug report on this yet, so if anyone wants to, be my guest. [[User:The Riet|The Riet]] 18:05, 25 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | There needs to be a full list of all the weapons. It seems some weapons do not have a "strange" counterpart. [[User:Havox|Havox]] 03:05, 12 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::There is a full list and it's been available since the Strange weapons were added to the game. [[Item_quality_distribution#Strange|Click here.]] [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 08:06, 12 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::The list isnt available at that link (as of my check just now) [[User:FRIENDLYUNIT|FRIENDLYUNIT]] 23:44, 7 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | The article stated that "Strange quality weapons can be found by unboxing Mann Co. Supply Crates of a certain series" ... I'm now editing to reflect Nintyuk's statement above that all weaponss from crates come out strange. Edit back if that statement is wrong. [[User:FRIENDLYUNIT|FRIENDLYUNIT]] 23:44, 7 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | *Only series >19 have strange quality (crates added during/after the Uber Update), but someone said "do not re-add the list of Crate Series #'s that contain Strange weapons" in the comments._. So I'll just revert it, I guess. [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 10:30, 8 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == "Strange" Quality Ranks. ==
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| − | Found these in tf_english.txt:
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| − | * "KillEaterRank0" "Strange"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank1" "Unremarkable"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank2" "Scarcely Lethal"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank3" "Mildly Menacing"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank4" "Somewhat Threatening"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank5" "Uncharitable"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank6" "Notably Dangerous"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank7" "Sufficiently Lethal"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank8" "Truly Feared"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank9" "Spectacularly Lethal"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank10" "Gore-Spattered"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank11" "Wicked Nasty"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank12" "Positively Inhumane"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank13" "Totally Ordinary"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank14" "Face-Melting"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank15" "Rage-Inducing"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank16" "Server-Clearing"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank17" "Epic"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank18" "Legendary"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank19" "Australian"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank20" "Hale's Own"
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| − | :What I didn't see anywhere (though I didn't look very hard) was the requirements for each rank... [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 07:49, 24 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Unusual weapons? ==
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| − | I've seen several people requesting unusual weapons on trading sites, but I have yet to see anyone with one. Do they actually exist? --<span style="font-size:83%;border: 1px solid #FF0000;background:#FFFFFF">[[User:Swarfega|<font style="background: #FF0000" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF">''' Swarfega '''</font>]][[User talk:Swarfega|<font style="background:#FFFFFF" face="Arial" color="#FF0000">''' T'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Swarfega|<font style="background:#FFFFFF" face="Arial" color="#FF0000">''' C '''</font>]]</span> 13:29, 26 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :Nope. Well not for now anyway. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 13:30, 26 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::Strange so why are people asking for them? --<span style="font-size:83%;border: 1px solid #FF0000;background:#FFFFFF">[[User:Swarfega|<font style="background: #FF0000" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF">''' Swarfega '''</font>]][[User talk:Swarfega|<font style="background:#FFFFFF" face="Arial" color="#FF0000">''' T'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Swarfega|<font style="background:#FFFFFF" face="Arial" color="#FF0000">''' C '''</font>]]</span> 13:32, 26 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::Often times, people will use Unusual rarity, then leave something in the notes like "Ignore "Unusual" rarity, I'm looking for Strange" or something, as most trading sites such as the TF2 Trading Post don't have "Strange" rarity in the system yet. At least, that's what I did when I put in a trade on the trading post for Strange weapons. I selected "Unusual" [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 13:37, 26 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::I guess so, but Ive seen plenty with no comments, I guess theyre just assuming the pros know what they mean. Thanks guys. --<span style="font-size:83%;border: 1px solid #FF0000;background:#FFFFFF">[[User:Swarfega|<font style="background: #FF0000" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF">''' Swarfega '''</font>]][[User talk:Swarfega|<font style="background:#FFFFFF" face="Arial" color="#FF0000">''' T'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Swarfega|<font style="background:#FFFFFF" face="Arial" color="#FF0000">''' C '''</font>]]</span> 13:38, 26 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::::Technically, [[Horseless_Headless_Horsemann%27s_Headtaker|there is one Unusual weapon]], but it's fairly common due to how easy it is to trade for one or obtain the components needed to craft it. [[User:ButteredToast|ButteredToast]] 05:38, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::::: I am guessing you are talking about Unusual Horseless Headlessmann's Headtaker. [[User:Drsteiner12|Drsteiner12]] 21:23, 13 January 2013 (PST)
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| − | == Strange Weapon Drops ==
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| − | While I have no good solid evidence, I have heard a few people say they actually had strange weapons drop for them. Has anyone seen some more solid evidence of this being the case?
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| − | ::It may be another instance of that bug where people got Scrap/Reclaimed/Refined Metal as a "drop", when in actuality it was the crafting system or something failing to properly give the metal. This might be the case with the crates. People may not have received the weapon properly from the crate and then later obtained it as a drop. [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 18:24, 29 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Strange bug ==
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| − | How would I proceed if I were to add a bug to the strange quality section?
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| − | Since it's limited to one weapon, should I add it to that particular weapon or in this page? -- [[User:Mistah_Phoenix|<font color=#50006C>'''Mistah Phoenix'''</font>]] <sub>([[User_talk:Mistah_Phoenix|talk]])</sub> 17:17, 20 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :My instinct would be to put it on its own page, specifying that the item is Strange. I'm not entirely sure, but this is supported by the lack of a 'Bugs' section on this page. [[User:Shane Alvarado|Shane Alvarado]] 17:26, 20 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::Shane is correct, such information is not relevant to the description of item qualities; and should be placed on the weapon page in question, citing the strange requirement for reproduction. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 08:10, 21 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Is it easier to read? ==
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| − | Well I seen update in this page but I think it's harder to read. Does anyone think like me? [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:53, 28 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : No it isn't just you. The only thing the previous edits did was desynchronize the color table and backpack examples. It has since been undone. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 07:54, 28 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Vintage Quality First Distribution ==
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| − | I'm not sure, but before I go ahead and edit, wasn't it ''all'' items that you had before the Mann-Conomy update that became vintage, and not just "certain items"? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]]''' ([[User talk:Rocket Ship BBQ|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Rocket Ship BBQ|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | :Nope, It wasn't. Otherwise there would be many Vintage metals, 119 badges and so on. Also, don't forget to sign your messages with four tildes. <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki> ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 08:32, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::Alright, sorry, memory slip [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 08:33, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Customized Weapons? ==
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| − | I was playing a game of arena_granary, and a bunch of people had customized weapons. The names were a bright green, and they had different stats | |
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| − | Here's a pic as proof, with a Medic wielding a Customized Crusader's Crossbow
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| − | http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/541775700440613177/17199E2671692E34827857FB63A8882FAA3AAFE5/
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| − | Anyone know what these are? This was the first time i've seen them, and the wiki doesn't mentioned anything about Customized quality-[[User:MKCSTEALTH|MKCSTEALTH]] 06:24, 5 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :It's an unused quality. You were playing on a server that was running a plugin to customize weapon attributes and quality. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 07:43, 5 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | Ah ok. Thanks-[[User:MKCSTEALTH|MKCSTEALTH]] 08:39, 5 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::See! I told you guys the quality color of Customized was green due to a bug in the source engine. And yet the table lists it as Vintage. I think it was Pilk who changed it to Vintage-colored. [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 13:06, 5 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::Yeah, It's lime green colored. I saw it in VS Saxton Hale mod. [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 19:16, 5 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : Since no one wants to understand that we do this according to the tuples in the HUD files and not just what you happen to see with your eyes I took a screenshot of ClientScheme.res' relevant tuples. Note the highlighted line. Pilk's edit is correct, do not change it: [[:File:User Lagg seriously.png]] -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 15:31, 7 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::^I hate to point this out (especially to a Wiki Cap owner), but, please, I beg you, be considerate. Not everyone edits HUDs. This isn't SPUF. :( [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 15:42, 7 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::: Me having a wiki cap does not make me immune to criticism. Don't worry about it, but I will say that this page comes very close to be technical documentation (but we still make a point to not cross that line). Because of that those that wish to make changes need to have some level of knowledge of the files in the GCFs. In fact it is a prerequisite and this page could not exist in the state it does now if we simply went by in-game observations. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 19:32, 7 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::Yeah, but they do have a point. Sorry, I found your statement rather harsh. [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 19:57, 7 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::: I'm a harsh person when warnings and clear explanations are not paid attention to. If I wasn't nothing would get done. If you have a problem with it take it to my talk page, otherwise keep this talk page on topic. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 11:09, 8 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::::: As I said to you before, Lagg ''(or was it Pilk that I said this to? Oh well, I'll say it again)''. '''Yes''', Customized uses the Vintage color, but there's an error ingame where Customized shows up as neon green. It's a well-documented error. [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 14:29, 8 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::: I'm well aware of the bug. Which is why I noted that how we document it here is correct and took a screenshot of the relevant .res block where the tuples were. If you feel that it absolutely must be mentioned make a footnote for it near the color table but do not change the table's RGB value. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 08:56, 9 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Trade Bug for Strange Weapons ==
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| − | Just discovered that if you trade the new strange weapons, not all the stats correctly reset.
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| − | For example I just trade for a strange medigun, the ubers reset but the assists did not. [[User:CartooN|CartooN]] 06:51, 19 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == "Completed" Qualities ==
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| − | In the [[August 18, 2011 Patch]], there's an undocumented change saying: "Added string for potential new item quality called 'Completed'". Can anyone confirm this and possibly make a template or wait until Valve releases further info? -[[File:BLU Fancy Fedora.png|31px|link=User:Aom776]] [[User:Aom776|<span style="color:blue">Aom776</span>]] 11:41, 2 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :You can confirm it by searching for "Completed" in tf_english.txt; there is no need for a template because as the change says, it's a "potential" quality - it does not yet exist. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 12:16, 2 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::Completed quality was added to the beta. How about now? [[User:Kodiak 7|Kodiak 7]] 20:02, 23 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::Any thing can be in the beta, e.g. "All classes have double Health". Beta means nothing to the actual game (IMO). [[File:User_M-NINJA_Signature.png|link=User:M-NINJA]] 20:11, 23 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == New Strange Colours ==
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| − | Is there a hex code for them yet? I am not sure if they accept embedded images here, but here is the new colour: http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Krakash2/hhhmmmm/Signature/evenmorestuffs/newstrangecolour.png [[User:Krakash|Krakash]] 15:54, 2 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : #d06a2e. [[Seb26]] has already updated the CSS accordingly. [[File:User RagnarHomsar Userlink.png]] [[User:RagnarHomsar|RagnarHomsar]] 15:55, 2 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Community weapons description ==
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| − | I think Valve removed the description "Given to valuable Community Contributors" on community weapons, but i don't know when. Please can someone confirm this? Thanks.[[User:Plumpkins|Plumpkins]] 13:57, 17 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :The description wasn't removed, only the implementation for attaching it was changed. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 11:28, 18 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Article Future ==
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| − | Well since each quality now has it's own article, the short summaries here seem rather redundant. This page could probably be deleted, but I think it'd be better in this case if was changed into a small stub regarding what Quality is as a concept, and covering the fine details. There is much misinformation regarding Quality, an explanation would probably be very helpful. Thoughts? ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 17:08, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :It could be useful. I suppose, in a sense, it would be like deleting the [[Weapons]] page, because there are articles for each individual weapon already. [[User:Shane Alvarado|Shane Alvarado]] 12:50, 3 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ==You Beta Add This==
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| − | Does anyone think we should add the [[Beta]] quality to this page?--[[File:Scout_Decal_Black.png|35px]] [[User:ScoutKast|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:black ">ScoutKast</span>]] 20:44, 26 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :Beta isn't a quality... '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 20:51, 26 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::um...err...hmm...yeah...you're right, it isn't. Sorry, I though it was because the font for it in the tags was light green. Never mind. --[[File:Scout_Decal_Black.png|35px]] [[User:ScoutKast|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:black ">ScoutKast</span>]] 20:55, 26 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Completed ==
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| − | Recently the quality "Completed" was added to the beta, I think it's related to strange weapons, should this be added? [[User:Untouch|Untouch]] 07:36, 3 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : It is in Beta, not in the main game, so it shouldn't be there. And no speculations, of course <b>[[User:DrAkcel|<font FACE="Arial" color="#41627E">DrAkcel</font>]]</b> <sup>([[User_talk:DrAkcel|<font FACE="Arial" color="#25587E">T</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/DrAkcel|<font FACE="Arial" color="#25587E">C</font>]])</sup> 07:38, 3 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :: To elaborate on this quality, I reinstalled the TF2 Beta, and checked ClientScheme.res for the "Completed" quality RGB values, and found "134 80 172". I popped those numbers into Photoshop and created this image:
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| − | :: http://404gaming.broseph.org/images/completedrarity.png
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| − | :: I don't remember the hex color code for the color, but that image above is what color the quality is. I rather like the color. '''[[User:404 User Not Found|404: User Not Found]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:404_User_Not_Found|(talk)]]</sup> 18:11, 7 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Festive ==
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| − | Does "Festive" count as a item quality? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Damian0358|Damian0358]]''' ([[User talk:Damian0358|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Damian0358|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | :Not really; festive weapons can also be strange. —[[File:User Rocket Ship BBQ Awesomepyro.png|24px]][[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]]([[File:Speech voice.png|20px|link=User talk:Rocket Ship BBQ]]•[[File:Intel neutral pickedup.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Rocket Ship BBQ]]) 16:11, 23 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::As I stated on [[Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion|the discussion board]], Festive is not an item quality at all. The "festive" prefix in a Festive weapon's name isn't a prefix at all. It's actually the weapons name ''(for example Festive Bat is actually the item's name)''. Before I had found [[Festive weapons|this article]], I was originally pushing to get Festive weapons into their own separate articles. But yes, to conclude this reply, Festive is not an item quality at all. It's part of the weapons item name. '''[[User:404 User Not Found|404: User Not Found]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:404_User_Not_Found|(talk)]]</sup> 16:34, 23 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | :::One more question, are the "Festive" weapons "Unique"? (because how the words are colored) <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Damian0358|Damian0358]]''' ([[User talk:Damian0358|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Damian0358|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | ::::Unique and Strange. And you must sign your comment with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> before save page. [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] [[File:Killicon_unarmed_combat.png]] 07:02, 24 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | :::::Tip for Hinaomi, use "nowiki" (inside < and > brackets), then put <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> in between "nowiki" and "/nowiki". The nowiki tags prevent things like a signature from replacing the four tildes. '''[[User:404 User Not Found|404: User Not Found]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:404_User_Not_Found|(talk)]]</sup> 07:42, 24 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::::::I forgot that one. Thanks 404. [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] [[File:Killicon_unarmed_combat.png]] 09:31, 24 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | == Sharp Dresser qualities ==
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| − | In a template below it is mentioned that the sharp dresser is available in every weapon quality, I would fix this myself but it's too messy for me to figure out. [[User:Reconciliation-|<span style="color:#262626;">'''Reconciliation-'''</span>]] • [[User_talk:Reconciliation-|<span style="color:#262626;">'''Talk'''</span>]] 10:22, 9 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | : Thanks for the heads-up, the template is in the process of being rewritten but I'll fix the bug now. [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 10:23, 9 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Red items ==
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| − | Dafuq is this? http://www.tf2outpost.com/backpack/1
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| − | Look at his Detonator. [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 07:52, 17 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :And how did he get community sparkles on his ring? [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 07:55, 17 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | ::After shock and thinking about that dafug things. Here is real vison =_= http://www.tf2items.com/id/sneeza/ [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 08:22, 17 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :::Dammit. The magic is gone. XD [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 09:08, 17 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | ==Possible weapon qualities==
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| − | Can someone fix this, the Scottish Handshake is missing and so is all the new Weapons from the pyromania update [[User:Madsser|Madsser]] 07:42, 29 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | : Please don't add topics to the top of the page on talk pages. [[User:Reconciliation-|<span style="color:#262626;">'''Reconciliation-'''</span>]] • [[User_talk:Reconciliation-|<span style="color:#262626;">'''Talk'''</span>]] 07:49, 29 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Temptates for possible qualities (wqc, hqc, mqc) ==
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| − | Wiki made warning when I tried to edit /ru version of the article, something like this:
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| − | :'''Total size of included temptates is too large. Some temptates will not be included.'''<br>
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| − | [[Item quality/ru|As you can see]], mqc and all temptates after it just don't work (red links).<br>
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| − | Can someone increase the max allowed size of temptates for this article? If not, then it will be needed to remake all large temptates...<br>
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| − | Btw I made similar tables with qualities and prices ([[User:ANGEL_UNDEAD/pricingguide/ru|if it will help somehow]]).<br>
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| − | [[Image:Killicon_deflect_flaming_arrowhs.png|45px]] [[User:ANGEL_UNDEAD|ANGEL_UNDEAD]] 06:32, 7 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | * These templates are alrady being remade. Watch this space! [[File:User Rebmcr Sig.png|x20px|link=User:Rebmcr]] 06:40, 7 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Vintage items ==
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| − | [http://www.tf2items.com/item/199120531 Bill's Hat], [http://www.tf2items.com/item/890961138 Earbuds], and [http://www.tf2items.com/item/186908362 Companion Cube Pin]. Why aren't these items in the table? [[User:Klenium|Klenium]] 08:44, 7 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :We don't include glitched items and we have no plans to [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 08:46, 7 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :Actually the vintage CCP isn't a glitch so I'll fix that [[User:R4wrz0rz0r|<span style="background:black;color:white;border:2px solid cyan;font-variant:small-caps;padding:2px">rZ</span>]] 08:49, 7 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | ::I've added a note to the possible hat / misc qualities table links stating the fact that the glitched qualities are not included on the table, to help avoid this type of confusion. Hope it helps! [[User:T1ncann3r|T1ncann3r]] 12:05, 1 February 2013 (PST)
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| − | == Update history ==
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| − | Well I saw many people add this template several times and removed by moderator, why don't we just discuss here that should it add or not? [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 06:49, 7 April 2013 (PDT)
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| − | : If i remember correctly, there has to be a minimum amount of update history notes in order to use that template. Kinda obvious not to use it when there is little amount of update history. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] 11:34, 7 April 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ''An item can have only one quality'' <br />
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| − | With the release of strangifiers this is no longer right. You can have Strange Vintage Camera Beards, Strange Unusual Bonk Boys or Strange Genuine Mercs Pride Scarves. Should this be changed? The name color of such items stay orange, but their name says "Mann Co. Select Unusual Bonk Boy" and they keep their effect. [[User:Hans|Hans]] ([[User talk:Hans|talk]]) 05:20, 17 October 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :It's still in the rule that ''An item can have only one quality''. Because the color still only 1 color (Strange color one), which mean they no longer contained old quality, they just only contain the quality's name. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 07:19, 17 October 2013 (PDT)
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| − | == Tables ==
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| − | You should remove the div.qc height: 100%; style.
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| − | <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Klenium|Klenium]]''' ([[User talk:Klenium|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Klenium|contribs]]) 06:53, 17 March 2014</small>
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| − | :What? I checked the template and I don't see any "div.qc height: 100%; style", are you drunk or somethings? Also sign your comment next time. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 05:04, 17 March 2014 (PDT)
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| − | ::http://i.imgur.com/1WGwpXH.png If you remove that style, we can see the text. [[User:Klenium|Klenium]] ([[User talk:Klenium|talk]]) 10:14, 24 March 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :::[https://www.dropbox.com/s/0n20z6ta4ru2d0o/Screen%20Shot%202014-03-24%20at%202.25.29%20PM.png 1] I can see the text just fine. What's your browser/os? [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[User_talk:Darkid|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Darkid|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]) 11:26, 24 March 2014 (PDT)
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| − | ::::win7/firefox27. It works fine in chrome, but I don't know why, because td.qc has height: 24px; and width: 24px;, the width and the height of div.qc both are 100%. This isn't logical, so you need to remove one. (again forgot the sign, lel) [[User:Klenium|Klenium]] ([[User talk:Klenium|talk]]) 00:30, 27 March 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == Antique Variant ==
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| − | I was entering in TF2R, when I stumbled upon this: http://tf2r.com/k6blwc0.html An Antique Demoman's Fro. Correct me if I am wrong, but I heard that if certain hats/weapons were crafted before the mannconomy update, they were replaced by vintage quality. This might be one of the Rarity2/3 qualities, or it may have been a vintage item in another update. Can anyone help me on this? [[User:DC64|DC64]] ([[User talk:DC64|talk]]) 19:30, 22 April 2014 (PDT)
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| − | : I think this isn't really anything of note, TF2R has done a lot of stuff with fake qualities before. I don't think the Rarity2/3 qualities were ever accessible ingame, anyway. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 08:50, 28 April 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == Valve Weapons ==
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| − | In the table at the top of the page, the word 'valve' links to the company, not the item quality. Is this intentional? [[User:Saint hax|Saint hax]] ([[User talk:Saint hax|talk]]) 05:55, 28 April 2014 (PDT)
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| − | : Yeah, it is intentional. The way the template is set up means that it links to the Valve page instead of the quality. The Valve page does link to the quality, however, so I don't see much issue. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 08:50, 28 April 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == SMG ==
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| − | On [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Item_quality/Possible_weapon_qualities this] page SMG appears as "Submachine Gun". Why is it needed? (Damn I always forget the sign...) [[User:Klenium|Klenium]] ([[User talk:Klenium|talk]]) 04:17, 7 June 2014 (PDT)
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| − | : The [[SMG]] page has this as its first line: "The Submachine Gun, often abbreviated as SMG, is the stock secondary weapon for the Sniper." I assume that this is why it is listed as Submachine Gun. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 05:53, 7 June 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == Double quality items ==
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| − | :"''An item can have only one quality, which is determined when the item is created and remains unchanged, except in rare circumstances.''"
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| − | This statement was [[Talk:Item quality#Strange miscs|briefly discussed about a year and a half ago]] but things have developed since then so I am going to revive the topic.
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| − | Someone defended the statement on the grounds that double quality items only have a single colour, which seems flimsy to me, since surely the name would be a better metric to decide that? Especially if items are only designed to display a single colour. However, ultimately choosing the name or the colour sounds like a matter of opinion and not an objective measure.
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| − | So what would be more objective? If you go by the Steam API it seems it is only capable of listing an item as having a single quality, which is far more objective, however are the limits of the API reflective of what the creators actually think or intend? The description of [[Strangifier]]s says that it '''adds''' the Strange quality to items but only changes/'''upgrade[s]''' it to Strange if it is normal (the latter being the more common outcome of strangifier use). Also the description of the [[Mann Co. Supply Crate/Seriesless crates#Unlocked Creepy Crates|Unlocked Creepy Crates]] that the items could be "Haunted and Strange" it seems they actually consider such items as having two qualities, even if they cannot currently be defined that way in the API.
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| − | This very wiki already shows all the [[Scream Fortress 2014]] items and the [[Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker|HHHH]] as coming in the Strange quality, even though by the definition of this page that would be untrue since in those cases the Strange quality only exists as a secondary one. So there is a clear contradiction here, either all those items come in two qualities, just like the Creepy Crates say they do — meaning the statement that they only come in a single quality is wrong. Or; we ignore that, make up our own metric for definition item qualities (completely going against the spirit of a wiki) and continue to claim that items only come in one quality — in which case the Scream Fortress VI items and the HHHH should have their Strange quality removed, a notion which is clearly nonsense.
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| − | Worse, that statement was written before Strangifiers were released, it is clearly out-of-date and incorrect at this point, especially when it comes to the idea that items changing qualities is "rare". I would just go ahead and change it myself, if the previous talk page discussion didn't already say that it shouldn't be changed, hence why I have supplied this wall of text instead. But here is a proposed revision:
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| − | :"''Except under certain circumstances, such as being [[Strangifier|Strangified]], an item will only have a single quality, which is determined when the [[Item drop system|item is created]] and remains unchanged.''"
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| − | - [[User:Tasty Salamanders|Tasty Salamanders]] ([[User talk:Tasty Salamanders|talk]]) 18:41, 16 March 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :Considering the fact that the item still only has one dominant quality (as seen in the API) and the fact that this page is more of a technical documentation of item qualities, the statement holds true. Just because the name is different, it doesn't mean the item has a second quality. However, a note on that subject might be helpful. [[User:TBotV63|TBotV63]] ([[User talk:TBotV63|talk]]) 13:26, 14 August 2015 (PDT)
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| − | == Possible unused Rarity2 and Rarity3 names ==
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| − | I looked through the source code that leaked today, and I have found possible names for the Rarity2 and Rarity3 qualities in the econ item constants definition file.
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| − | They are Tournament and Favored.
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| − | I'm not sure if this has been discovered yet, and i am 99% sure it's TF2 because it's with the rest of the TF2 qualities.
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| − | [[User:Catlord|Catlord]] ([[User talk:Catlord|talk]]) 07:19, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
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| − | : Since it's currently unused, I don't think put the name in there should be good, as Valve can possibly change it any time. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png|link=User:Hinaomi]] [[User:Hinaomi|Rikka Takanashi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:15, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
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| − | :: The names in the code are fine, valve is never going to change it. It's been years at this point. '''[[User:404UNF|404UNF]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:404UNF|(talk)]]</sup> 18:21, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
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| − | ::: Make sure to provide proof though<br>[[User:GrampaSwood|GrampaSwood]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|talk]]) 18:22, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
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