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| − | == Light colors ==
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| − | Some weapons have team multicolored lights. The stickybomb launcher just has plain white lights. - [[User:Devozade|Devozade]] 11:54, 16 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | :I think it has to do with whether the weapon is strange or not. My sticky launcher's weapon icon is multicoloured but the lights are white only [[User:Nanosheep|(nanosheep_inc)]] 16:29, 16 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | : If we look in the model and it looks like it's supposed to be animated, we can probably conclude that there's some kind of error/mistake/bug. Can someone verify that the Festive Stickybomb Launcher is even allowed to be team-colored? All the others are. – [[User:Fashnek|<span style="text-size:1.5em;font-weight:bold;color:#363;text-shadow:0 0 0.8em #6c6;">fashnek</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Fashnek|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fashnek|c]])</sub> 15:45, 17 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::The deal with the white lights is probably due to the Sticky Launcher still being one of the original models that doesn't have support for RED/BLU. So if I had to guess Valve just went for the easy and made the light's white. --[[User:Org|Org]] 01:23, 19 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ==Requested Move==
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| − | This article should really be simply titled "Festive", shouldn't it? It's basically an item quality, and the [[Vintage]], [[Strange]] etc. articles aren't called "Vintage weapons", "Strange Weapons" are they? '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 14:51, 16 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | : {{c|Agree}} Yep. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 14:51, 16 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | : {{c|Note}} It's not a quality; there are Strange Festive Scatterguns, for example. Plus, this article is currently only about weapons, since they are currently the only possible Festive items. So I {{c|Disagree}} {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 14:55, 16 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | :: {{c|Comment}} Strange quality applies only to weapons too. As for weapons which are both Festive and Strange - well, if an item could be both Vintage and Genuine, it wouldn't really effect how the [[Vintage]] and [[Genuine]] pages are set up, would it? '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 15:10, 16 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | :::Except that Genuine and Vintage do not stack up; Festive and Strange DO stack up, since Festive is not a quality, but rather a weapon name preffix. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 16:29, 16 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | :{{c|Disagree}} Not a quality, and it's an overloaded term. Festive weapons can have an article, but I don't think "Festive" should have an article unless it's a disambiguation article. I think the best solution is the current one. Festive redirects to Festive weapons, which has a hatnote for Festive crates. If there are future uses, that might warrant a disambig. page at Festive. – [[User:Fashnek|<span style="text-size:1.5em;font-weight:bold;color:#363;text-shadow:0 0 0.8em #6c6;">fashnek</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Fashnek|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fashnek|c]])</sub> 15:41, 17 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | Alright, it appears that the Strange Festive weapons have a new set of ranks, entirely separate from the classical Strange ranks, so my argument no longer has any footing. Case closed. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 04:29, 18 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | == Strange festive rank table started ==
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| − | I've taken the data from STS and the regular strange ranks table and made this:
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| − | Reminder:
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| − | Do not add "Strange" to this table as a rank. "Strange" is not a valid rank, it is an item quality prefix. The first valid rank is Unremarkable.
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| − | -->{| class="wikitable grid"
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| − | ! class="header" | {{lang
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| − | | en = ID
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| − | | cs = Číslo<br />hodnosti
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| − | | de = ID
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| − | | es = ID
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| − | | fr = Niv.
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| − | | hu = Azon.
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| − | | it = ID
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| − | | ko = 아이템<br />레벨
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| − | | nl = ID
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| − | | pl = Poziom
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| − | | pt-br = ID
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| − | | ru = Предмет<br />Уровень
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| − | | zh-hant = 等級
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| − | | sv = ID
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| − | ! class="header" | {{lang
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| − | | en = Count
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| − | | cs = Počet zabití
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| − | | de = Kills
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| − | | es = Víctimas
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| − | | fr = Victimes
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| − | | hu = Szám
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| − | | it = Uccisioni
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| − | | ko = 킬
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| − | | nl = Doden
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| − | | pl = Zabójstw
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| − | | pt-br = Mortes
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| − | | ru = Убийств
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| − | | zh-hant = 殺敵數
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| − | | ja = キル数
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| − | | sv = Dödade
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| − | ! class="header" | {{lang
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| − | | en = Name
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| − | | cs = Jméno hodnosti
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| − | | de = Name
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| − | | es = Nombre
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| − | | fr = Rang
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| − | | hu = Név
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| − | | it = Nome
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| − | | ko = 랭크 이름
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| − | | nl = Naam
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| − | | pl = Nazwa
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| − | | pt-br = Nome
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| − | | ru = Название ранга
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| − | | zh-hant = 獲得稱號
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| − | | ja = 名前
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| − | | sv = Namn
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| − | | it = (nessun titolo)
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Singular}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; color:#EBE2CA; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | 45
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Commodius}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; color:#EBE2CA; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | 70
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Kind-Hearted}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; color:#EBE2CA; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | 100
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Friendly}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; color:#EBE2CA; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | 135
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Notably Joyful}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; color:#EBE2CA; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | 175
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Cheery}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; color:#EBE2CA; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | 225
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Good-Natured}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; color:#EBE2CA; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | 275
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Plentiful}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Generous}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; color:#EBE2CA; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | 500
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Magnanimous}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Gregarious}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; color:#EBE2CA; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | 999
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Bountiful}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Philantrophic}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Revered}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Merry}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Totally Ungrinchlike}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Jolly Old}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | | style="background:#2a2725; text-shadow:2px 1px 1px #24201B; text-align:center; padding:4px;" | {{tf2b|{{item name|Saxton's Own}}|quality=strange}}
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| − | # {{lang
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| − | | en = The game schema shows a 20th rank with a requirement of 10,000 kills, however, the rank does not have a name.
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| − | | de = Das Rank-Schema zeigt zwar 20 Ränge an, aber der 20. Rang trägt keinen Namen.
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| − | | es = Entre los archivos del juego hay un título para las 10.000 víctimas, sin nombre.
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| − | | fr = Les fichiers du jeu montre qu'il y a un 20e rang mais qu'il n'a pas de nom.
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| − | | hu = A tárgylista tartalmaz egy 20. rangot, 10.000 szükséges öléssel, azonban a rangnak nincs neve.
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| − | | it = I file di gioco presentano un grado aggiuntivo senza nome per le 10.000 uccisioni. Ciò nonostante quando viene raggiunto tale numero numero di uccisioni non viene assegnato alcun grado.
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| − | | ja = アイテムのスキーマにはキル数10000のID 20のランクがありますが、名前がつけられていません。
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| − | | nl = Het spelschema toont een 20ste rang met een vereiste van 10.000 doden, maar de rang heeft geen naam.
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| − | | pl = Schemat gry pokazuje 20-tą rangę wymagającą 10 000 zabić, lecz nie ma ona nazwy.
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| − | | pt-br = O esquema do jogo mostra um 20º rank com um requerimento de 10.000 mortes que não tem um nome.
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| − | | ru = В файлах игры имеется 20-ый ранг требующий 10000 убийств, но у него нет названия.
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| − | | zh-hant = 遊戲檔案裡有達成 10000 殺敵數時的等級，但目前沒有名稱。
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| − | Before including in the main article:
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| − | * STS only shows 18 ranks, so the counts are probably wrong. Rank 0 has an empty string.
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| − | * Rank zero's an empty string... I've put in a message (in English and Italian)
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| − | * All the dictionary stuff seems to be missing
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| − | --[[User:Bp|Bp]] 01:47, 18 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | : I seriously doubt that is what the ranks are. I think the ranks are the same... [[User:Davo|Davo]] 14:41, 21 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | :: These are the "Spirit Of Giving" ranks. To confirm if they are related to Festively Strange/Strangely Festive items, we should simply ASK an owner of said item and see if the higher tier ranks match this. [[User:Sven|Sven]] 14:51, 21 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::: I swear I saw a Strange Festive Scattergun achieve Uncharitable rank on Saturday. I'll look around, see if I can obtain a strange Festive and rank it up... [[User:Davo|Davo]] 14:54, 21 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::: Well as we can see here, the [[Spirit of Giving]]'s ranks are actually different... --[[User:Bp|Bp]] 17:26, 21 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | :{{c|Nope}} Please see '''[[:File:User_Fashnek_Strange_Festive_ranks.png|this image]]'''. BTW, I subst'd your template here because I've marked it for deletion. – [[User:Fashnek|<span style="text-size:1.5em;font-weight:bold;color:#363;text-shadow:0 0 0.8em #6c6;">fashnek</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Fashnek|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fashnek|c]])</sub> 22:07, 21 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | == The Bat ==
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| − | Alright there appears to be some back and forth about the bat. As far as I can tell the bat only shows up as Strange. I can't find any trace of a Unique one, except for some random data on TF2Stats, but since it's such a small number I don't exactly trust it. Is there a verifiable backpack link that shows a Unique Festive Bat? --[[User:Org|Org]] 01:25, 19 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::[http://www.tf2items.com/item/609920849 Drunken_F00l]. The same people that have BMOC and Ebenezer are the ones that have non-Strange Festive Bat. – [[User:Fashnek|<span style="text-size:1.5em;font-weight:bold;color:#363;text-shadow:0 0 0.8em #6c6;">fashnek</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Fashnek|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fashnek|c]])</sub> 10:09, 21 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | == Confirmation that the Bat must be Strange ==
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| − | Ok, I contacted the support to ask if the fact that there were no '''Unique''' Festive Bats was a bug/glitch and got an answer. [http://data110.free.fr/tf2/Bat.png Here is a link] to the answer.<br/>
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| − | Because I contacted the French support, I will put the translation here :
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| − | '''Me'''.
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| − | Thanks for the quick answer.
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| − | I already saw that answer on the Wiki, but no source affirm that the weapon must necessarily be Strange (this remains a suggestion from the members/players). It looks like a glitch, unless it's wanted by the developers.<br/>
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| − | Do you have any source? This would allow to complete the Wiki with a 100% reliable source. :)
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| − | Cordially,
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| − | '''Support'''.
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| − | Hello,
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| − | According to my sources, the weapon must be strange.<br/>
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| − | Feel free to contact us again if you have other questions.
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| − | Cordially,
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| − | So, according to the support, the Festive Bat '''MUST''' be '''Strange'''. It's not a glitch, nor a bug, it's a choice from the developers. :) <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:DaTa|DaTa]]''' ([[User talk:DaTa|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/DaTa|contribs]]) 18:05, 21 December 2011</small>
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| − | : Just keep in mind that just because they said it must be Strange does not mean it was an intentional choice rather than a mistake. – [[User:Fashnek|<span style="text-size:1.5em;font-weight:bold;color:#363;text-shadow:0 0 0.8em #6c6;">fashnek</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Fashnek|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fashnek|c]])</sub> 10:13, 21 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | :: Good enough for me to say that it can only be uncrated as Strange. The random unique ones out there due to however they showed up shouldn't keep the page from saying what is the normal case. A note about the unique may be appropriate though at the end of the page. --[[User:Org|Org]] 14:31, 21 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::: On the Naughty crate description, the contents of the crate list all but the Bat twice. Probably not a coincidence. — [[User:C2Talon|C2Talon]] (<i>[[Special:Contributions/C2Talon|c]]</i>/<i>[[User_talk:C2Talon|t]]</i>) 01:53, 23 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | :::: It seems the concensus is that this only exists for non Valve employees as a Strange Festive Bat, and that this should probably be noted on the page..but it hasnt been. The ONLY non-strange festive bat i could find was in [http://tf2b.com/item/76561197960435530/741960399 Robin Walker's backpack] At the moment the page says "Festive items are available in both Unique and Strange quality." which simply isnt true for the bat, it is not available in any real sense in Unique quality. So, ok to change what wording needs to be changed and finally make a note about the festive bat perhaps including a link to Robin's backpack? [[User:Govcon|Govcon]] 13:07, 11 April 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :::::Not really necessary. Valve developers can drop anything they want for themselves, with any quality, level, attributes etc. See how the Origin of the item is a "Steam Purchase"? Since you can't "buy" it, it was probably handed out in an unusual way. That'd be the same thing as listing possible Vintage variants of items due to Steam Support bug in, let's say, Bill's Hat, Max's Head, Lubricus Lid etc. Just say that it can only be obtained in Strange quality and let it be. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 13:12, 11 April 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :::::: Just add an exception blurb. Simple. [[User:SS2R|SS2R]] 13:15, 11 April 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Festive Stickybomb Launcher "bug" ==
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| − | When viewed in certain backpack viewers, including Steam's built in viewer, the SLer's icon still uses the old multi-colored light icon. Would this be a bug we should list? Note this happens on Valve's own backpack viewer, so it's not a third party bug. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 06:40, 1 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | :Nothing to do with TF2; their cache simply hasn't updated. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] 06:48, 1 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | :: Alright [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 06:52, 1 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | == strange festive sandvich can't into counting ==
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| − | The use count for the Sandvich is really buggy. Instead of counting sandviches eaten, it seems to count how many increments your health goes up while eating. Seems to happen more on idle servers where your health is draining, might also count if bleeding, but I can't really test it. http://youtu.be/Q8wC-cj3SsU example here, it jumps up 10 uses after just eating one [[User:Redjarman|Redjarman]] 00:11, 21 December 2012 (PST)
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| − | :And then it got patched today, that was quick. [[User:Redjarman|Redjarman]] 11:13, 22 December 2012 (PST)
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| − | Is it just me, or does the Frontier Justice have the same battery component for both RED and BLU teams? [[User:Modulus365|Modulus365]] 17:46, 31 December 2012 (PST)
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| − | :Good eye, that's one for the bug list I'd think[[User:Redjarman|Redjarman]] 17:58, 31 December 2012 (PST)
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| − | == Festive Huntsman cannot be used in Mid Evil ==
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| − | I know right now that the Festive Huntsman Can not be used in Mid evil mode in Team Fortress 2 ,Witch i am Disappointed because i would like to use it in the Mid evil mode.
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| − | Apparently these points aren't bugs, at least according to one user. Can somebody explain to me why that would be the case?
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| − | * The Festive Holy Mackerel plays [[Bat]] sounds instead of its normal sounds. Just like the original Holy Mackerel, it can deform when using crits.
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| − | * The Festive Axtinguisher and Festive Sandvich do not glow when crit boosted.
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| − | * Like the [[Neon Annihilator]], the Festive Axtinguisher lacks a physics model, causing the item to awkwardly float in the air on death.
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| − | You cannot tell me that Valve intentionally had the Festive Holy Mackerel making metal instead of fish sounds. You cannot tell me that Valve intended to have items without crit glow. And most of all, you cannot tell me that floating items on death are intentional.
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| − | So what's up here? - [[User:Selbi|Selbi]] 05:25, 5 January 2013 (PST)
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