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| − | Good god, a strange weapons page! Hooray! [[User:Problem|Problem]] 10:17, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | Do taunt kills from the Sandman, Flare Gun, Eyelander, Knife and Conniver's Kunai add to their counters? [[User:Pwnator|Pwnator]] 01:54, 28 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Multi character use ==
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| − | I think there should be a note as to whether the counter carries over for weapons that are shared between multiple classes. For example, lets say I get 1000kills with the pistol on my engie, then I equip the pistol on my scout. does it maintain the counter? [[User:Nibelhim|Nibelhim]] 09:42, 28 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :I'm fairly certain it does. If you want, I can check. I have Strange Shotgun. I'll go do it now. --[[User:NobleSkull|NobleSkull]] :D - 10:09, 28 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::Got kill with Strange Shotgun and looked at it as Engineer. On all classes, it was 22, then 1 kill with it as Soldier, had 23 on Heavy, Engineer, Pyro and Soldier. --[[User:NobleSkull|NobleSkull]] :D - 10:17, 28 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Humiliation ==
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| − | Do kills during humiliation count? I haven't tested it yet; if someone knows it he should add the information. [[User:LeGenD`RaGe|LeGenD`RaGe]] 13:08, 13 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : Humiliation kills count, but I think that's sort of a given since points are still awarded during Humiliation. [[File:User RagnarHomsar Userlink.png]] [[User:RagnarHomsar|RagnarHomsar]] 13:09, 13 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Notes section on counter types. ==
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| − | This section is already ugly, and is only going to continue to get worse as Valve adds more counters. I propose this section be removed in place of listing the counters attached on the availability list. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 08:55, 19 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == 10 000 kills? ==
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| − | I notice there is no information about the final rank, so does that mean that nobody who comes here has reached it or are we not allowed to discuss it?
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| − | I'm almost half-way there with my Minigun.--[[User:Katz|Katz]] 13:54, 19 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :There is a rank defined at 10,000 kills I believe but it's not implemented. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 14:00, 19 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Strange Kritzkrieg ==
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| − | This ranks up on kill assists and not Ubers like the Medigun. Mine is at Midly-Menacing with 45 assists and 17 Ubers. I noticed when it ranked up without me deploying an Uber. Also the kill assist count is displayed on top, with the ubers below in parantheses. My backpack. http://www.tf2items.com/id/drblutengott
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| − | [[User:Dr. Blutengott|Dr. Blutengott]] 18:55, 19 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | Yes this is true. As a proud owner of Hale's own kritzkrieg, I know by heart that the levels are increased by the kill assists. [[User:Drsteiner12|Drsteiner12]] 02:29, 13 January 2013 (PST)
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| − | == No Longer Announced Via Alert ==
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| − | So apparently Strange Ranks are no longer 'alerted' on the server when someone reaches it. It just shows up in the chat-feed but not as an actual alert, is that right? Did the Manniversary Update do that? '''[[User talk:AustinAsDeidara|<font color="purple">☢</font>]] '''[[User:AustinAsDeidara|<font color="fuchsia"><big>Ѵєяɩτѧѕ</big></font>]]''' [[Special:Contributions/AustinAsDiedara|<font color="purple">☢</font>]]''' 17:51, 22 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :Yes, yes it did. [[File:Painted_Vintage_Merryweather_803020.png|24px|link=User talk:Fyahweather]][[User:Flamborsia|<span style="text-shadow:orange 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Fyahweather'''</u></big></tt></font></span>]] 21:24, 22 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Strange Holy Mackerel ==
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| − | The strange fish has a difference to the other strange weapons that I've seen - rather than saying 'Kills: xxx' it says 'Humiliations: xxx' (see [http://steamcommunity.com/id/imstillmartin/screenshot/594699991582102243?tab=public here] for screenshot). Should this be added to the trivia page for the Holy Mackerel? [[User:Avon|Avon]] 10:40, 24 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :Does it count a "humiliation" as a kill, or just a hit with the fish? '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 03:26, 25 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::A kill, any situation that would cause a kill with the normal fish (i.e. triggering the dead ringer doesn't count). [[User:Avon|Avon]] 13:04, 25 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::Probably not notable then. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 15:07, 25 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Strange Gunslinger ==
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| − | Does it rank up based on Mini Sentry kills instead of the actual Gunslinger melee? Trying to figure out why it's so bloody expensive. It has to be something more than "Only in the Salvaged Crate" [[User:Spy Master Kaze|Spy Master Kaze]] 21:36, 3 November 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :The other strange wrenches rank up on Sentry kills, so the Gunslinger probably does too. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 21:50, 3 November 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :: It has EVERYTHING to do with the crate it is in. Like the Jag, the rankings increase based on Sentry gun kills. Both, however, do track melee kills as well, but they do not progress the rank. [[User:SS2R|SS2R]] 23:41, 3 November 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Degreaser link is wrong. ==
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| − | The link in the table for strange items is wrong for the Degreaser. I tried to figure out how to change it but I can't seem to do it. It points to the backburner page currently. <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Nagrom 17|Nagrom 17]]''' ([[User talk:Nagrom 17|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Nagrom 17|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | :Thanks for the heads up, it's now fixed. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sup>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sup> 04:05, 4 November 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Counter Description ==
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| − | What happened to the section explaining the counters which don't track kills (i.e. Medi Gun tracks Ubercharges, Wrench tracks Sentry kills)? That was genuinely useful information and should still be here. I also think it's worth mentioning that the Chargin' Targe only counts shield-bash kills and not melee kills using the targe's crit. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 05:27, 4 November 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :I removed it because it was reaching an absurd level of bloatedness. As I said in the edit summary, that sort of information should be listed in the availability table. Not in the article body. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 10:09, 4 November 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::This is still an issue - nowhere on the Wiki does it explain that some counters on Strange weapons don't track kills. I've noticed that the Strange Southern Hospitality tracks melee kills instead of Sentry kills like the other wrenches - this is pretty useful information to have. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 13:40, 2 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::I don't know how it was implemented before, but let's add this info back. It's absolutely significant, and the list just keeps getting more complicated as new items come out. Maybe it should be in a separate article with a list that looks like the [[Equip regions]] list. Thoughts? --[[User:Fashnek|Fashnek]] 13:43, 2 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | :::[http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=User:Cooper_Kid/Strange_counters&oldid=846053 That] doesn't really work. I've tried something else - re-arranging the current [[Template:Strange quality table|table]] to order the items in terms of their counter types. Take a look at what I've done [[User:Cooper Kid/Strange counters|here]]. I think there's potential, though obviously it will need to be shrunk down, and needs some colour and formatting work. I'm not really an expert on these kinds of tables and am struggling a bit, so any help would be appreciated. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 15:38, 4 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::::How about [[User:Alcarithemad/alt-strange|this]]? It's just a quick mockup I did, but it keeps the current table's formatting and adds the counter information in a fairly concise way. [[User:Alcarithemad|Alcarithemad]] 00:38, 11 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | :::::Great - much simpler and neater than mine at least. Can I suggest you make the main counter (i.e. the one that ranks the weapon up) in bold? <br>'''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 04:59, 11 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::::::I hadn't thought of that. It's much better than saying it in the footnote. I also don't know how to apply localization to it like the rest of the template has. [[User:Alcarithemad|Alcarithemad]] 05:17, 11 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::::::: I kind of disagree with Cooper's suggestion. As long as the rank progressing counter is listed first, it's quite simple see what is primary and what is secondary. [[User:SS2R|SS2R]] 05:28, 11 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | == Destructions ? ==
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| − | Do destructions of Engi's buildings add kills to s. revolver ? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Nouthghule|Nouthghule]]''' ([[User talk:Nouthghule|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Nouthghule|contribs]]) 19:57, 21 November 2011 (UTC)</small>
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| − | :I don't know what would make the Revolver different from other Strange weapons, but... I don't think so. I guess Strange weapons only track players killed, unless they have a secondary counter. {{n}} [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic Eric</b></span>]] <small> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</small> 12:04, 21 November 2011 (PST)
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| − | == Stranges being dropped? ==
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| − | I remember in a LONG time when I played TF2 that I have received my first strange (Eyelander) via a random drop! Is it possible that strange weapons can VERY rarely be dropped? [[User:Nephyte|Nephyte]] 12:02, 30 November 2011 (PST)
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| − | :{{c|Nope}} [[File:User_M-NINJA_Signature.png|link=User:M-NINJA]] 12:37, 30 November 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::Nope? Huh... that's strange... the only crates that I've opened are the coolers during the Summer Camp sale (only twice), and only out of them came hats. [[User:Nephyte|Nephyte]] 16:25, 30 November 2011 (PST)
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| − | :::Ridiculous. No one else has ever reported such a thing. You might have lagged out of the game and traded, or opened a crate. [[File:Painted_Vintage_Merryweather_803020.png|24px|link=User talk:Fyahweather]][[User:Flamborsia|<span style="text-shadow:orange 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Fyahweather'''</u></big></tt></font></span>]] 16:34, 30 November 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::::Actually, I once got a second Strange GRU when I hadn't opened a crate to receive one. It seemed to have come from a random drop. [[User:NeoSlith|NeoSlith]] 09:25, 10 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :::::Wasn't your backpack bugged? [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) - ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:27, 10 July 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Spirit of Giving ==
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| − | Since it is technically a Strange item, sharing text colour and the ranking-up behaviour, I've added it to the article. It seems silly to have one orange-text item not included here, just because its level 0 blocks "Strange" with "The" as a prefix. Having said that, I expect some people to disagree, so discuss away! [[User:Rebmcr|<span style="font-size:18px; line-height:16px;<!--
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| − | : Doesn't look like too many people disagreed. If it acts like a strange, feels like a strange, and looks like a strange, it's pretty much a strange. [[User:Calq|Calq]] 16:29, 13 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Strange Feeding Server(s) ==
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| − | There had been a server that cropped up under the name "Mighty's Strange Feeding/Idle Server" which later changed into "Dark's Strange Feeding/Idle Server". I wonder if this is OK with Steam and not bannable if you play in such a server. So far it is the only one of its kind. And it is now classified as Dead. [[User:Theodoremk|Theodoremk]] 10:54, 30 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | : You won't get banned for playing in that server. It's just the name. Typically, friendly fire is on and both spawns are accessible by both teams. And only one? Negative. http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php?search=strange&game=tf2&location=US [[User:SS2R|SS2R]] 11:00, 30 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | : Sometimes I run a (private) Strange feeding server that is way more effective. Obviously I wouldn't run it if I actually thought anyone would get in trouble for using it. I highly doubt Valve cares what you do with your Strange weapons. – [[User:Fashnek|<span style="text-size:1.5em;font-weight:bold;color:#363;text-shadow:0 0 0.8em #6c6;">fashnek</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Fashnek|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fashnek|c]])</sub> 11:03, 30 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | == Strange Quick-Fix ==
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| − | The Strange Quick-Fix ranks up by Ubers not assists only had 7 ubers and 50+ assists and was still named strange. [[User:Chaosblades|Chaosblades]] 16:31, 5 February 2012 (PST)
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| − | ==New Stranges (crate 39)==
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| − | :New Strange Loch-n-load, Strange Overdose and... doesnt seem to be any new ones. <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Draforce94|Draforce94]]''' ([[User talk:Draforce94|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Draforce94|contribs]]) 00:37, 24 February 2012</small>
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| − | == Strange Mantread/Sapper/Holiday Punch ==
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| − | They all have new names for their ranks, so should a new table be made for them, or should they just be listed somewhere ? This could eventually be a problem if more stranges with different names for ranks are added, since we'd either have a large amount of cluttered space, or we'd just have a foot note on the article noting it.
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| − | [[User:December|December]] 21:41, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | : I combined the different rank tables into a single template: [[Template:Strange Weapon Ranks Table]]. It uses the Tabs template, so new Stranges with their own tables can be added (until we have over 20 different ones, which is when the Tabs template will have to be expanded. I've also changed the order of the tables to alphabetical (though with the Generic list on top), since the current order was just random as far as I could see. The new template uses the old templates, which still exist, so they can be used on for example the individual item pages (Like with the [[Spirit Of Giving]]. Adding a new list would thus mean making a new template, and then adding a tab to this one. --[[User:Itsacon|Itsacon]] 02:16, 6 April 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Holiday Punch Bug ==
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| − | I punched an Enemy Heavy (Also wearing Holiday Punch) with my Strange Holiday Punch, causing him to laugh. I then noticed that the Holiday Punch did not count that. I may have just read it wrong, but who knows. Can anyone confirm this bug? [[User:Rotomthe3rd|Rotomthe3rd]] 18:11, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
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| − | : I think you misread your number. No other reports of this AFAIK. [[User:SS2R|SS2R]] 18:16, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
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| − | The arrows with fire dont increase the kill counts? I heard that they don't do it and I haven't one to check. <small>[[User:Dio|<span style="color:#404040">Dio ★</span>]] | [[User talk:Dio|<span style="color:#616161">talk</span>]]</small> 14:29, 25 May 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == If new strange Disiplinary action and Short Circuit ==
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| − | Instead of having the usual kill, would it have the how many times you would speed boost the person? And would the short circuit have how many times projectiles zapped? Yukkurirumia 12:02, June 09,2012 (PDT)
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| − | :This page isn't SPUF. Please do not post like this next time. [[File:Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 03:29, 11 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Strange Weapons in MvM ==
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| − | Do they gain ranks on tobor kills? ==[[User:FaxCelestis|Fax Celestis]] <sub>[[User_talk:FaxCelestis|talk]]</sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/FaxCelestis|contrib]]</small><sup>[http://wiki.faxcelestis.net/ home]</sup> 04:32, 16 August 2012 (PDT)
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| − | : No they don't. It would be too easy. --[[User:Tabs|Tabs]] 00:28, 21 August 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Items that don't have strange quality yet ==
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| − | Would it be worth putting this up on the page?
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| − | http://pastebin.com/Sn0QB6gN --[[User:NZtheGingerNinja|NZtheGingerNinja]] 08:52, 20 October 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :{{c|comment}} I think it's useful and not useful at the same time. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 09:21, 20 October 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :{{c|Nope.avi}} {{User:Cooper Kid/Signature}} 10:27, 20 October 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :{{c|Neutral|Maybe... *sniff* maybe.}} It's conceivable that such a list might be a topic of interest, but more likely is that someone wants to know if weapon X is available in strange--easy to determine. [[User:Darkid|<span style="color:red">Darkid</span>]] ([[Image:Item icon Otolaryngologist's Mirror.png|21px|link=User_talk:Darkid|alt=talk]]|[[Image:Item icon Sight for Sore Eyes.png|21px|link=Special:Contributions/Darkid|alt=contribs]]) 12:58, 20 October 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :{{c|Neutral|All I know is my gut says maybe.}} Like Hinaomi said, it would be useful at sometimes, but not really needed. [[File:Killicon maul.png|40px]] [[User:Bruss48|'''Bruss48''']] [[User talk:Bruss48|T]] [[Special:Contributions/Bruss48|C]] [[File:Killicon maul.png|40px]] 13:14, 20 October 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Mantreads ==
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| − | Can someone check the levels for this? I have been told that it gets Hale's Own at 850, rather than 8500. Could someone check this to make sure? [[User:Taser9001|Taser9001]] 04:20, 2 November 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :It's 850. Number can be found on [[Strange]] page. -[[User:Asplode|Asplode]] 04:27, 2 November 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Botkillers / Festives ==
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| − | Should we combine all botkiller stranges into a single entry to make the table a bit less messy? Same question can be asked with festives and regular versions.[[User:Axiomus|Axiomus]] 04:18, 12 December 2012 (PST)
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| − | == Strange Festive Buff Banner ==
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| − | I have been using my Festive Strange Buff Banner, and Have noticed it levels much like the Holiday punch. I will levelling it again soon, so I will be able to confirm or deny it soon. If anyone else has details about it, please leave them below.
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| − | <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Kajoman|Kajoman]]''' ([[User talk:Kajoman|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Kajoman|contribs]]) 22 December 2012</small>
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| − | Holiday punch's leveling up system is same as normal weapons (it's just different name). And the buff banner also follows the generic leveling up system. Hope this solved your answer. [[User:Drsteiner12|Drsteiner12]] 00:28, 15 January 2013 (PST)
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| − | == Strange Crates Pattern ==
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| − | I have noticed, that the crates sometimes bring the stranges from the past again, for example, the scattergun, the rocket launcher, and the medigun. While there are many more weapons that haven't been dropped in strange quality, some are coming back. Is there a certain pattern how the strange weapons in crates are decided? [[User:Drsteiner12|Drsteiner12]] 02:27, 13 January 2013 (PST)
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| − | :No, It's valve's decision on what comes out. We have no way of knowing what will be in what crate. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] 05:34, 15 January 2013 (PST)
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| − | Lets say i kill someone with a weapon that causes bleed, but not by the weapon itself, by the bleed caused, will it still add a kill to the counter? [[User:TugaMiguelPT|<span style="color: #00CCFF; font-style:italic;font-weight: bold; text- shadow-blue 3px 3px 5px;">TugaMiguelPT</span>]] [[File:Buffed_blu_medic.jpg|35px]] -'''DUMMKOPFS!''' 07:40, 2 February 2013 (PST)
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| − | :Had a Boston-Basher Fight the other day; kills via bleeding do increase its counter. [[User:Davjo|Davjo]] 04:50, 19 February 2013 (PST)
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