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| − | ==Basic Strategy==
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| − | The tips noted under "Basic Strategy" do not comply with the TF2 Wiki style guide—they refer to commands that are specific to PC gamers, and therefore are of no help to console gamers. These commands also only work on qwerty keyboards which, despite their popularity, are not the only style in existence. [[User:GenericCola|GenericCola]] 07:40, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Picture? ==
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| − | I noticed the displayed pictures for all classes are for the RED version of each class, except the Spy. Is there any particular reason? [[User:Betenoire|Betenoire]] 14:16, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Probably no particular reason though i think we should try to be consistent with the pictures. I might try to find a red one and put it in. [[User:Pierow|Pierow]] 05:26, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | : I always thought it was just a little joke. Like, the BLU spy had infiltrated the wiki or something >_< Idk it make me giggle a bit. -- [[User:Babygirl|Babygirl]] [[File:User_Babygirl_avatar.png|20px|link=User_talk:Babygirl]] 17:57, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
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| − | I was playing tf2 today, and found this. No skins whatsoever. http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/469813240332462660/CE297B8CB6BC46585ED42A557D5A26440E53CD6D/
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| − | [[User:Hurricaden|Hurricaden]] ([[User talk:Hurricaden|talk]]) 08:55, 28 June 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :What about it? Also, in the future please put new subjects at the bottom of talk pages. This conversation is from 2011 [[File:User atf412 FoxIcon.png]] [[User:atf412|atf412]] ([[User_Talk:atf412|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == Spelling/Grammar note ==
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| − | When editing Spy pages, keep in mind that the weapon name is "L'Etranger", not "the L'Etranger". The L and apostrophe are a French equivalent of "the". So, writing "the L'Etranger" is the same as writing "the the Etranger". Sorry for the nitpick, but being fluent in French, this is an error that often frustrates me. --[[User:Szthesquid|Szthesquid]] 19:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Can you explain more clearly, I can't really see the difference; is the apostrophe in a different place? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Mattkim824|Mattkim824]]''' ([[User talk:Mattkim824|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Mattkim824|contribs]]) 03:41, 13 October 2011</small>
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| − | ::I think Szthesquid is referring to the "'''the'''" prefix. Please remember to sign your name after possts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> thanks. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 03:25, 23 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Achievements ==
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| − | i have been noticing alot about the spy pistols they all have the achievement 'A Cut Above' but it's not specific to any pistol the achievement works with any pistol at all and is not specific to a certain pistol
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| − | i have been getting messages from people saying "as long it has to do with the weapon its ok" and other people saying "it must be specific to that weapon to be counted" so what is the correct statement can someone clear that up for me? [[User:Lexicon249|Lexicon249]] 05:16, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Knife ==
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| − | (Backstab: 450) The Knife deals more than 450 Dmg, it deals 6x of the enemys maximum healthpoints. This could be important, because Deadringer Spys sometimes can take more than 450 damage points. --[[User:Picard|Picard]] 08:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : You are correct, editted --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 01:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Another thing I noticed :D
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| − | :::''"Ironically, the Spy is voiced by Dennis Bateman, the same VA as the Pyro, his second worst enemy."''
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| − | ::Who is the Spys worst enemy? Because the Sniper isnt the worst Enemy of the Spy, but the Spy is the worst enemy of the Sniper. --[[User:Picard|Picard]] 21:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: I guess "Enemy" is referring to the one he hates the most. I don't like the line at all though. --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 21:33, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :''"The Spy appears to have separate voices for BLU and RED as the RED Spy has a lower, raspier voice."'' Does he? Is this referring only to voices of the spies in Valve machinima? I had never noticed. --[[User:A Sassy Dog|A Sassy Dog]] 15:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: Removed until proof is provided -[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 16:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::I did notice that the spy has two distinct intonations, but I don't think they're specific to team color. — [[User:WindPower|<span style="font-weight:bold;">Wind</span>]] {{adm}} 16:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::The red spy does speak in a lower voice. In Meet the Spy you can tell the difference. [[User:Kevschow|Kevschow]] 01:38, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::Only in his 'Meet The...' video. In gameplay, there is no difference between the two teams. This tidbit is listed on the 'Meet The Spy' page, which I reckon is more appropriate than having it here. [[User:Alphard|Alphard]] 15:12, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Name? ==
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| − | Is there any source of his name?--[[User:DCybertron|DCybertron]] 01:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : Nope --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 01:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : His name is Philippe Lefebvre! Just watch OSS 117: Le Caire nid d'espions [[User:DWM91|DWM91]] 18:11, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::I keep stumbeling accross people calling him '''Émile''', no idea where this comes from. Anyone any insight? [[User:Trent Easton|Trent Easton]] 17:16, 29 November 2011 (PST)
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| − | :::Link?[[User:Carez|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291 ">Carez</span>]] [[File:Killicon_conscientious_objector.png|40px|link=User:Carez]] [[File:Speech voice.png|20px|link=User talk:Carez]] 17:18, 29 November 2011 (PST)
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| − | ==Meme==
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| − | Should we mention the Gentlemen meme in trivia? [[User:Kevschow|Kevschow]] 01:41, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : [[Memes]] --[[User:Firestorm|<font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Firestorm'''</u></big></tt></font>]] {{mod}} 01:43, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | But of course. ~[[User:Weirdduder10|weirdduder10]] 13:58:17, 14 October 2012 (US)
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| − | ==Revolvers==
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| − | At point blank Revolver deals 60 damage, Ambassador 51 and L'Etranger 48. Checked 10/15/2010. --[[User:Onotole|Onotole]] 00:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I'm not sure what information you're trying to correct as those values are already listed (albeit as ranges) in the articles for each of those weapons. -[[User:RJackson|<span style="background-color:#FF0000;color:white;font-size:0.7em;padding: 0 2px;">RJ</span>]]{{mod}} 01:32, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I was wondering, why were the revolvers listed as secondary weapons? cause in the loadouts, i see them as 1st: Revolver 2nd: Sapper 3rd: Knife PDA: spy watch. I get kind of confused like that. -[[User:weirdduder10|Weirdduder10]] 13:52:32, 14 October 2012
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| − | == Trivia ==
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| − | Regarding the current second to last trivia ("Before the Spy update..."): it ends with the statement '"As his voice lines are said in a calm collected manner, this gives him a split personality."' This seems rather like a stretch, but I'm new here and don't want to edit something out of existence based solely on my judgement (yet). Can someone else sound off on this or just jump in and delete it? Thanks. [[User:Scurve|Scurve]] 07:05, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Also the Spy says "Gracias" in the French voice lines, implying that he has a Spainish accent, not an English one.[[User:Isaac Condon|Isaac Condon]] ([[User talk:Isaac Condon|talk]]) 13:43, 23 April 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == View Model Beta Color Scheme ==
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| − | ''The Spy's view model sleeves still have beta color schemes. In addition, the number of stripes on his sleeve do not match the world model.''
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| − | Is the essentially saying the same thing? Could it be rewritten as "The spy's view model sleeves are from the beta texture and do not match the color and stripe count of the world model" or something? [[User:CptObvious|CptObvious]] 08:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Don't forget that the ingame hud still displays the original beta Spy's design [[User:Baron Royale|Baron Royale]]
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| − | == New Spy Picture ==
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| − | I noticed that the original picture of the Spy standing with the knife and smoking has been replaced with a Spy "taunting" and pulling up a sigarrette from his Spy-Kit.
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| − | Well, i dont mind a picture change but i expected a RED Spy and not a BLU again (:3).
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| − | [[User:Ravecrib9t4|The Noble Scout]] 12:28, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Health glitch ==
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| − | I think the health from Kunai glitch should be noted in the description box. The glitch speed from GRU and Steak was in Heavy article too before patch. --[[User:SandeProElite|SandeProElite]] 15:29, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ==Kill Icons==
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| − | It may be repetitive, but each of the Spy melee weapons does have the backstab kill icon associated with it. Shouldn't that icon be represented in each of the boxes as opposed to just that of the Knife? Babygirl 22:51, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :Ermmmm in my opinion they all looks same.[[User:Rins|<span style="color:#0e5c76;font-size:13px;font-family:'TF2 Build';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;">Rins</span>]] <span style="font-size:10px">[[File:User_Rins_minioface.png|:O]] ([[User talk:Rins|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Rins|contribs]])</span> 12:49, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::They do. I'm just worried that the Spy page might give the impression that only the vanilla knife has a unique backstab icon. -- [[User:Babygirl|Babygirl]] [[File:User_Babygirl_avatar.png|20px|link=User_talk:Babygirl]] 15:20, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Motto ==
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| − | Isn't it technically "..."? [[User:Tendog|Tendog]] 02:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :I'm sure it would be more "Gentlemen" (mentlegen?) [[User:Weirdduder10|Weirdduder10]] 14:04:53, 14 October 2012 (US)
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| − | == Beta Suit ==
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| − | Should I include the beta suit as a bug or as "Unused Content"? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Doktorpsyko|Doktorpsyko]]''' ([[User talk:Doktorpsyko|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Doktorpsyko|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | :Do you mean just to mention it on the wiki? If so, neither. The [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Fire_retardant_suit Fire proof suit] has a page, and if you mean the design change, it isn't notable as either. - http://i.imgur.com/6vKcd.png[[User:Nixshadow|<span style="text-shadow:#869 0 0 5px; color:#a8b;"><u>nixshadow</u>]]</span> <span style="text-shadow:#859 0 0 5px; color:#a8b">([[User talk:Nixshadow|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Nixshadow|c]])</span> 23:25, 2 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Top of Page Portrait ==
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| − | Currently it depicts a Blue spy, while all the other class portraits depict the Red team. May want that corrected. [[User:Grug|Grug]] 05:14, 9 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : Yes, I agree, but a lot of people seem passionate about this being a BLU Spy for some reason [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 05:18, 9 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Relationship with other classes ==
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| − | Is that necessary ? [[User:MrPaulolefou|- WatdaFok.]] 10:55, 17 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : Relationship is mean Match-ups. So Relationship is useless [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 02:05, 18 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Knife (2)==
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| − | Spycicle's 'frozen statue' effect is listed with a red 'negative' marker - should this be the case if the Saxxy effect is so similar and uses the blue 'info' marker? [[User:Dreamdayer|Dreamdayer]] 14:17, 26 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :I think I agree with you, this is a cosmetic effect as well. [[User:Carez|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291 ">Carez</span>]] [[File:Killicon_conscientious_objector.png|40px|link=User:Carez]] [[File:Speech voice.png|20px|link=User talk:Carez]] 00:18, 26 June 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Spy's identity? ==
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| − | Is it possible that the Spy is actually Gray Mann? In Blood Brothers, he says "Gentlemen" (one of the Spy's phrases), wears a suit that resembles Spy's (albeit a different color), and kills Redmond and Blutarch by ''stabbing them in the back.'' [[User:Digifreek|Digifreek]] 09:54, 13 August 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :Well, he actually stabs them in the chest going from his relative position at the end of the comic, but speculation and this kind of discussion belongs on the [http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/ Steam Forums] ^^ [[File:User Wingless Winged Signature.png|150px|link=User:Wingless]] 09:55, 13 August 2012 (PDT)
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| − | ::If i had to say who would most likely be Gray Mann would be engineer's grandfather, or engineer. Because Engineer's grandfather had a blueprint that had a scout robot, which is confusing because scout was probably not even born at the time, And spy's well known phrase "Gentlemen" doesn't mean who ever says it is the spy. [[User:weirdduder10|Weirdduder10]] 13:02:31, 14 October 2012
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| − | :As the other pages of the wiki and the comics says, Grey Mann is the third child of Zepheniah Mann and is the third of the Mann Brothers. Assuming his relationship with the scout's mother, it is a possibility that he is his father, since the page regarding the scount's mother did not mention anything regarding her marriage. [[User:gigagadget|Gigagadget]] 9:15, 10 January 2013 (PH)
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| − | == Spy/pyro/heavy in Sonic and Sega All stars tranformed ==
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| − | Spy alongside heavy and the pyro will be in the latest Sonic game Sonic and Sega allstars racing transformed as playable dlc drivers only for the pc version.I think we should mention this in the trivia section --[[User:Engineer's Sentry|Engineer's Sentry]] 17:09, 16 November 2012 (PST)
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| − | :X of Y trivia. Please read [[Help:Style_guide/Trivia|this]] before add or think to add trivia. [[File:User Hinaomi Hinaomi-sig.png]] [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] <small>([[User talk:Hinaomi|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Hinaomi|contributions]])</small> 17:30, 16 November 2012 (PST)
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| − | ::It's not really an X of Y trivia at all, and given that class articles mention class appearances in other games (even just cameos), I think their upcoming appearance is a perfectly valid thing to add. [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] 06:21, 10 January 2013 (PST)
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| − | ::: While it's not x of y trivia, it's not quite official yet. Just being in the files of the game isn't enough to really state they're in the game as characters. Let's wait until the PC version comes out or the characters are otherwise officially announced. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 07:01, 10 January 2013 (PST)
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| − | == Three Hand Spy Bug ==
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| − | The last time I played, I noticed that Spy no longer mysteriously sprouts a third hand to reload his revolver if he has the Dead Ringer out. Would someone confirm if that bug is still active, and if not, when it was patched?
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| − | <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Dotchan|Dotchan]]''' ([[User talk:Dotchan|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Dotchan|contribs]]) 21 September 2013</small>
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| − | : Well it wasn't really a notable bug to begin with. Date of patch is gonna be a bit hard to find though. [[User:Ashes|Ashes]] ([[User talk:Ashes|talk]]) 20:23, 21 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | == Spy Height ==
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| − | The Spy is depicted as being 6' in the last panel of Ring of Fired. Is this substantial enough to include in the article? [[User:EthanB009|EthanB009]] ([[User talk:EthanB009|talk]]) 00:16, 10 March 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == Inconsistent class image ==
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| − | For consistency sake I think this image needs to change since it's different from all the other classes. Like [[Soldier|here]] and [[Engineer|here]]. -- [[User:CoreDude98|CoreDude98]] ([[User talk:CoreDude98|talk]]) 15:53, 16 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | : What do you mean by "it's different"? That's a pretty vague way of describing an issue with it. --[[User:Omolong|Omolong]] ([[User talk:Omolong|talk]]) 15:57, 16 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :: The dimensions of the picture is not the same as the other classes 2D Images. The other 2D class images are 250 x 250 while this one is clearly not. -- [[User:CoreDude98|CoreDude98]] ([[User talk:CoreDude98|talk]]) 00:28, 18 April 2015 (PDT)
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| − | == Disguising Crash ==
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| − | I've had this glitch happen on multiple occasions. When you are disguised as a class with an unequippable backpack, like the Sniper with the Darwin's Danger Shield, and you try to switch to it by pulling out the sapper and hitting the disguise weapon button, the game crashes. [[User:Budder Bowler|Budder Bowler]] ([[User talk:Budder Bowler|talk]]) 16:58, 15 May 2015 (PDT)
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| − | : So, i'm a Spy player for 500+ hours, and never seen this happening, this can be a crash with your pc (bad config or whatever). — The preceding assigned comment was added by '''[[User:Tark|Tark]]''' '''{'''[[User talk:Tark|Finish Him!]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Tark|Contribs]]'''}''' 17:34, 15 May 2015 (PDT)
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| − | :: I tested in itemtest and nothing happened. But, one thing I didn't tested was disguising a Sniper with Darwin Shield which later switches to another secondary weapon via his loadout, this isn't possible on itemtest, and I haven't done this on normal gameplay. [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 1.png|link=User:Gabrielwoj]] ▪ [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 2.png|link=Special:Contribs/Gabrielwoj]] - [[File:Gabrielwoj Signature 3.png|link=User talk:Gabrielwoj]] 17:40, 15 May 2015 (PDT)
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| − | ::: From what happens when I do it is playing as Spy and disguising as Sniper who has the Darwin's Danger Shield equipped. What the game appears to do is try to have the sniper equip a weapon that is not there, and it defaults to the SMG, but it then crashes since the game appears to know this is not possible. [[User:Budder Bowler|Budder Bowler]] ([[User talk:Budder Bowler|talk]]) 18:33, 17 May 2015 (PDT)
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