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| − | == Weapon Associated - Gunboats ==
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| − | I'm thinking this should be removed for the Soldier. The weapon isn't actually in the shot. Otherwise, we could just add "Gunboats" to the other two Demoman shots below. Open to discussion [[User:StarYoshi|StarYoshi]] 22:29, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : I agree. Unless there's any objections, I'm removing it. --[[User:Jetamo|Jetamo]] 10:17, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Look at the Soldier's boots. Shock394 05:02, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Weapon Associations Revisisted ==
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| − | This is a question I'd like to present simply because I can't think of a really clear-cut answer. Some of these poses (e.g. many of the Soldier ones) are directly tied to a weapon, or have a weapon in the actual model/on the TF2 blog. However, some of these (like the Scout pose) were not directly aimed at marketing the Scattergun so much as the double-jump-crouch bug. I'm just thinking we need a sort of standard:
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| − | 1) Do we include a weapon associated only if the weapon was a part of the actual pose?
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| − | 1a) Should we only include weapons if the pose was made for the marketing of that weapon? (e.g. Scout pose)
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| − | 2) If a pose is related to a weapon (e.g. Demoman poses for Victory/loss), should the weapon be added to the pose.
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| − | 2a) If a pose is lacking a weapon, should the "Weapon Associated" column stay empty?
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| − | What do you guys think? [[User:StarYoshi|StarYoshi]] 18:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Sources of poses, and criteria for being on this page? ==
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| − | I'm not sure what the point of this page really is...the images are merely close (but still not entirely accurate, most noticably) recreations of the poses used on the pages, rather than the actual poses. It seems like a lot of needless work, and comes off more as a showcase of some guy recreating a bunch of official images with the models. Also, there's no real sources for the "unused" War Update images with Soldier and Demoman. Or if there are, they certainly aren't on this page. I feel like that's very necessary.
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| − | But what I want to know most is, what exactly should be on this page? I feel like it COULD be useful, but it's very non-specific as to what should go here. Would the classes as they appear on the class selection screen go here? Their official pictures or HUD images? Or should it only be limited to images Valve posted on the blog or for update promo pages? I feel like the biggest reason this page is so incomplete is simply because what it's trying to collect is very unclear. It'd be fun to fix this page up if I even knew what was supposed to go here! [[User:Evang7|Evang7]] 03:13, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :Source of the poses: Game files. They are all in Source SDK. Criteria for being on this page: being on the game files. -- [[User:OluapPlayer|<font color="red">'''OluapPlayer'''</font>]] <sub>([[User_talk:OluapPlayer|t]])</sub> {{adm}} [[File:User OluapPlayer Sig.png|Howdy, pardner!]] 03:15, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::I just looked at the sources on the images and discovered this, which is probably something I should've done before commenting. I think I will make it clearer on the main page, however. Thank you! [[User:Evang7|Evang7]] 03:18, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == I'm suggesting this page for deletion. ==
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| − | I'm not certain why we have this page, but it serves no notable purpose. What say you? Is this page worth removing? [[User:Zoolooman|Zoolooman]] 21:12, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I'm a bit confused, I assumed it was referring to humiliation poses by the title. As is, it serves no purpose whatsoever.--[[User:Subtlefuge|Subtlefuge]] 21:13, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : I have no idea what this page is for either [[User:Scatmanjohn|<b><sup>Scatman</sup> <sub>John</sub></b>]][[File:User_Scatman.png|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Scatmanjohn|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Scatmanjohn|Contrib]])</small> 21:19, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|agree}} I can't think of an article less trivial than a list of poses used by the blog... '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 21:21, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|agree}} Blast it, doc! — [[File:Item_icon_Bonk!_Atomic_Punch.png|link=http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/User:Neo_Player|25px]] [[User:Neo_Player|<span style="color: #FF6600; font-style: italic; font-weight: bold; text-shadow:orange 0px 0px 2px;">Neo_Player</span>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Neo_Player|<span style="background: #FFFF00; color: #FF0000; padding: 0 1px;">t</span>]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Neo_Player|<span style="background: #FF0000; color: #FFFF00; padding: 0 1px;">c</span>]])</sup> 21:23, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|oppose}} This page has potential in my opinion. I don't think deleting it is a good idea. -- [[User:OluapPlayer|<font color="red">'''OluapPlayer'''</font>]] <sub>([[User_talk:OluapPlayer|t]])</sub> {{adm}} [[File:User OluapPlayer Sig.png|Howdy, pardner!]] 21:26, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I'm opposed to the deletion also, I don't believe the deletion reason has much merit in this instance. [[User:Seb26|<font color="#000">'''seb26'''</font>]] [[User talk:Seb26|<span style="font-size:95%; color:#EA6B1C;">[talk]</span>]] 21:27, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|oppose}} I oppose deletion. While trivial, these poses have been used to promote important parts of TF2's history. If anything, they should be reimplemented into the articles they promote (WAR! Update, post-war update, Demoman/Soldier/Heavy article, etc). Sorry, forgot my tildes. [[User:Sven|Sven]] 21:33, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|agree}} Unless someone put those poses in the respective weapon pages, i don't see what's the reason of having this page. -- [[File:User Swordz Swordz.png|25px]][[User:Swordz|<span style="color:#70B04A;font-size:13px;font-family:
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| − | 'TF2 Build';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><u>Swordz</u></span>]]{{mod}}[[File:User Swordz Swordz.png|25px]] <span style="font-size:10px">([[User talk:Swordz|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Swordz|contribs]])</span> 21:35, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|oppose}} This is a stub. More so, this page is intended to be expanded on to include more than just the marketing poses of the game. We've been debating how far to go with it, but the people involved in it haven't really had time to do so. Furthermore, you've given no other reason for its deletion other than it "not serving any notable purpose." I could run over to [[Skins]] page and say that it "serves no notable purpose" for the very reason that it doesn't cover anything overly important (by the logic being applied here). I'd rather discuss what's "wrong" with the page so we can work to fix it before we nuke the page entirely. [[User:StarYoshi|StarYoshi]] 22:06, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Sheesh, calm down StarYoshi. The purpose of the page wasn't clear to me, and I only suggested to remove it after much consideration. Once I spoke with seb, he informed me of what the page was intended to list, and I agree with him--it is both notable and interesting. I think everyone who voted for deletion thought the article was a bit of nonsense. Without context, the poses seemed arbitrary, and the only criteria for disposing of arbitrary info is its lack of notability. Hence the succinct reason I gave, and hence the hasty agreement of the first few people to look at the article. I switch my vote to oppose my own request. [[User:Zoolooman|Zoolooman]] 22:20, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::No intent to come off as harsh. On my side, it simply sounded as if you were deleting it just for the sake of doing so. We were glad to see this page come about, and having grounds for deletion being that "it serves no notable purpose" sort of riled me. Apologies :) [[User:StarYoshi|StarYoshi]] 23:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|oppose}} Doesn't merit a deletion. Like stated, it holds bits and pieces of TF2's history and the like. I didn't even know there was a demoman victory pose until I looked at this page, so you never know! --[[User:Vaught|<span style="text-shadow:pink 0px 0px 3px;"><font color=" #FFA6C9"><tt><big>'''Vaught'''</big></tt></font>]]</span> 22:16, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|oppose}} No. This article contains interesting and useful information. I didn't know about some of the poses either, until looked at the article. {{User:McComBat/Siggy}} 00:08, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{C|Result of discussion:}} Keep. -- [[User:Pilk|Pilk]] <sub>([[User talk:Pilk|talk]])</sub> 09:36, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
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