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| − | == Spawning out of bounds? ==
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| − | Sometimes the gift will spawn [http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab159/Lord_Kennerson/HERE.png behind the door and boxes to the right of the first capture point.]
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| − | I've seen this happen twice, but only in that particular spot. --[[User:Lord Kennerson|Lord Kennerson]] 09:32, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I've seen it happen there as well. A server admin using "noclip" was able to retrieve it however. --[[User:Flash|Flash]] 18:17, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | It should be noted that it'll stay there until the gift has been pickup or the server is restarted. I've been to a lot of servers where the gift spawned there. When I asked the server players, turns out its been there for a long time. [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 04:26, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | It can be picked up by any player. No sv_cheats or magic required. Fly into the gift as spectator, open team selection menu and join red or blu. Bam! Gift is collected and another one may spawn soon. [[User:AciD|AciD]] 12:00, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | * I thought the [[October_29,_2010_Patch]] fixed it so spectators couldn't collect gifts. --[[User:Flash|Flash]] 05:00, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Not really, did it on the day after it was patched [[User:AciD|AciD]] 15:10, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Frequency & Required Players ==
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| − | Do we know how frequently the present will spawn, or how many players have to be in the server for it to start spawning? It's probably 10 to start spawning, same as what's required for the Horsemann, but does it spawn more or less frequently than he does?--[[User:Lijitsu|Lijitsu]] 09:40, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I've seen it spawn three times a round, but it seems to be twice a round on average. I've seen the Horsemann spawn twice a map, but never three times. Just my experience. [[User:GeneShark|GeneShark]] 09:42, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::It spawns at about the same frequency as the Horsemann. The last few games I've played, they usually spawned within a minute or two of each other. Also, you only need 6 people in the server for it to spawn. I've seen it spawn with 6 people, but never 5 or less. -- [[Image:User Alex2539 Sig.png|link=User:Alex2539|Alex2539]] -- 09:49, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Do they spawn with bots? [[User:Serird|Serird]] 14:48, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::No, at least they didn't for me. I tried playing with 10 bots all dancing around and with my billion and a half(cheated) health, and no gifts spawned. Did find out that if a Medic is healing the person who kills the Horsemann, or possibly just heals someone who damages him, they get credit too.--[[User:Lijitsu|Lijitsu]] 16:06, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::I can confirm that the gift does not spawn with bots. The Horsemann doesn't spawn with bots either and doesn't have any effect on his overall health. It's as if the bots don't exist. [[User:XANA520|XANA520]] 03:10, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I got it (at least in this server I'm in; 11 players). It respawns 5 minutes after the gift is taken. I need more people to check on their servers though. [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 15:02, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : I've tested it on numerous servers. Gift respawns consistently every 5 minutes after the gift is taken. Although, I would like someone to confirm just in case. [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 18:22, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: Just got done running a Round Robin Gift Grab. I was too busy organizing it to track individual gifts, but we completed 2 loops of 10 people in roughly an hour. Not proof, but it strongly supports the 5 minute claim. Also of note. The timer depletes regardless of people. When the 10th person joined after a bit of time below 10 people, the gift immediately spawned. [[User:Ajburges|Ajburges]] 10:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: Edited the spawn rate to 5 mins. If this is wrong, feel free to change it. But in my tests, its 5 mins. [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 10:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I changed it from Six to Ten, it's Ten after hours of testing and the article on the hats from the gifts states ten as well.
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| − | [[User:Crap|Crap]] 17:32, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | After hours of testing I can confirm it needs 10 players at least for it to spawn. The 10 can be a mixture of a players and spectators but 10 people must be connected to the server. [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 21:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Someone keeps reverting it to 6, but it is 10, not 6. 10 people must be connected, they can be in spec, or connecting, but it must be 10, not 6.
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| − | [[User:Crap|Crap]] 04:40, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Please stop changing it between 6 and 10 guys until we have reliable proof. I myself believe it's 10 but we need stronger proof. [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 06:13, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Ah nevermind, a moderator has decided it is 10. Please respect the moderators decision and not change it. [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 06:16, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Yesterday 6 players was enough to get a drops, but currently changed to 10 with today's update (played with friends for many hours in both days). [[User:Dosia36|Dosia36]] 16:34, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::I had it drop with only 6 players and one or two players connecting. Maybe somebody on the wiki with a server should lock their server and test? -[[User:Spik3d|Spik3d]] 15:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::It has been tested multiple times. It maybe be misleading when some players connect and do not join a team or go into spectator mode. Their name will not be listed in the players list or list of spectators but they will be connected to the server. [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 15:30, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::I am surprised that this is still being argued. It is the easiest variable to test: just start a server, invite friends one at a time every 6 mins, at find the number that spawns the first gift. Happened when I ran a gift round robin. BTW you need 10 people on the server (including spectators). [[User:Ajburges|Ajburges]] 07:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::::I just got one, we were 9. Maybe it has changed with the new update, need confirmation. --[[User:Ash Grey|Ash Grey]] 11:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Bypassing the 10 player requirement ==
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| − | Has anyone found a way to get gifts to spawn that doesn't require 10 players? -[[User:Fooble|Fooble]] 18:15, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Actually, I have an interesting idea. 10 people each start a server at cp_manor_event. They all join one of the servers until a gift a spawns. After the gift is picked up, they all switch to the next server. This is repeated until they are back to the original server. By this time another gift should have appeared because the gift timer still goes even with less than 10 players. -[[User:Fooble|Fooble]] 18:20, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::This sounds plausible given what I've witnessed with threshold cases. If you have 9 listen servers and 9 dedicated drifters that simultaneously jump to the next server you could skyrocket gift/mask production. The host and one of the drifters would take turns getting the drops from each server. Such a system would give each participant a mask every 10 min. Would require a disciplined and large group to do though. [[User:Ajburges|Ajburges]] 07:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ==Locations==
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| − | Can we have some screenshots of the cycle locations? [[User:Kevschow|Kevschow]] 01:41, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : The presents are spawned in random locations. -- [[User:Nineaxis|<span style="color:#FF8C00;font-weight:bold">Nineaxis</span>]] {{mod}} [[File:User Nineaxis sig duck.png|12px]] 01:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : Based on my observations, different servers have their own list of possible spawn points from the nav_mesh. Possibly created at map start. This would explain why people think there's a "location cycle" and why gifts appear in the same areas: they've exhausted the server's list and a location was chosen twice, respectively. [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 05:05, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: It is possible for the gift to appear in the same place more then once.--[[User:QuincytheDestroyer|QuincytheDestroyer]] 06:06, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Location seems to be sudo-random with several fixed locations to choose from. Definitely a large enough sample size to prevent definitive mapping, but after a while players can identify map areas with higher location concentrations (and thus gift grabbing chances). [[User:Ajburges|Ajburges]] 07:46, 1 November 2010 (UTC) -
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| − | :Can anyone tell me the names of the servers where the gift spawns. If not, can anyone confirm that this is over now? - [[User:Playrmaster|Playrmaster]] 08:04 PM, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: This event has been over for a while now. [[Image:TF2_crosshair.png|20px]] [[User:Fendermcbender|Fendermcbender]] 20:08, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ==Latest person to gift sometimes gets it==
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| − | The trivia says "If multiple players stand in the translucent form, the player who has touched the translucent present the longest will receive it." That is not always the case, i have seen the last person to get to the present get it several times as well as the first person getting it. --[[User:QuincytheDestroyer|QuincytheDestroyer]] 02:23, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : Confirmed. I have first-hand experience in which I *ahem* ninja-ed a gift from someone. I was across the map and was able to take the gift. I've edited out the entry. [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 04:37, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: Scouts seem to get it more then any other class, if 2 are on at the same time. I had the gift stolen from me 3 times by a scout. --[[User:QuincytheDestroyer|QuincytheDestroyer]] 09:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: I theorized that the player closest to the gift's center (origin point) gets the gift. I always get the gift if I push my <s>victim</s> someone away and I stay at the center. [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 10:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::: I believe it's just a random roll as to who gets it when it finishes materializing. There is no pattern. I've been ninja'd, and ninja'd others in return, by touching the very edge of the box.
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| − | ::::: Forcing people off the gift is very similar to a teleporter barge, I believe its the same. [[User:Discordance|Discordance]] 15:20, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | If the '6/10 players connected to server for spawn debate' is still ongoing I can quickly set up my server so this can be tested. Let me know and I can provide server details here. [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 21:35, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Random? ==
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| − | Out of curiosity, is the Mask you get completely random, or class based? Just asking since I've gotten 2 Gifts, both as Engineer, and both times, I got an Engineer mask. So can anyone confirm it's random?. [[User:Mikau|Mikau]] 16:00, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :It's random. Speaking from someone who hunts those darn things. [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 16:52, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ==Glitched at end of Event==
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| − | I was on a server where the game continued when the event ended, the game glitched and every 1 minute the message a Halloween gift is some where go find it kept popping up, until the game finished.--[[User:QuincytheDestroyer|QuincytheDestroyer]] 21:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | * I experienced this also so you're not alone. During the same time however other servers were still actually spawning the gift, so there wasn't a clean shutdown of the event. [[User:Flash|Flash]] 22:35, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Halloween Gift texture exploits? ==
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| − | I have heard of players who used '''custom Halloween Gift texture files''' to make the gift more easily visible when it spawns in order to gain an advantage in finding it. I can confirm that such files exist, as I saw them available on FPSBanana before they were taken down for being hacks. Would information about this be '''suitable for the Trivia section?''' Or should it go into [[Exploits]]? Not quite sure where it belongs, and would like to check if it belongs on the Wiki at all. -- [[User:McWang|McWang]] 04:57, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : I would put in as an external hack. The distinction is simple: exploits are done in-game while with hacks, you have to use an external file (as in this case), software (aim-bots) or device (router/proxies). My vote: this shouldn't be added in the wiki. [[User:ShunyValdez|ShunyValdez]] 05:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Well it's a material hack which I guess is sort of covered under wallhacks. Not noteworthy though. [[User:Moussekateer|Moussekateer]] 05:47, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::It's already in the wiki, in [[Hacking#Wallhacks|Hacking]], like Mousse said. No need to toss it in trivia. Just people being greedy. --[[User:Vaught|<span style="text-shadow:pink 0px 0px 3px;"><font color=" #FFA6C9"><tt><big>'''Vaught'''</big></tt></font>]]</span> 05:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::::Was this by skinning the box another color or something of that nature? [[User:Wintergreen|Wintergreen]] 05:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::Thanks for the quick and helpful feedback. -- [[User:McWang|McWang]] 06:17, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == The Amount One Can Receive ==
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| − | Can 1 person be able to collect all the haunted halloween gifts? because i tried collecting the second gift i found but it doesn't say it was found by me, although I crouched there for some time until somebody came along to take it. The third time also the same.[[User:Alexann95|Alexann95]] 04:01, 22 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :Was your connection lagging at all? There doesn't appear to be a limit to the number of times you can get the gift - it wouldn't make any sense to limit it to 1 anyway as there are 9 masks to collect. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 10:29, 22 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::Maybe it was translucent when you tried to collect it? And then somebody else stepped on it and collected it. Because there aren't any limits for players. [[User:Juffin|Sir Juffin Halli]] 23:41, 22 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::: AFAIK, there aren't any limits. Most have been server/client lag or something. [[File:Userimg-real alien.jpg|25px]] [[User:Real alien|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#3366cc ">real_alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Real alien|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Real alien|C]]) 23:43, 22 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | the spawn map is missing some locations. Directly on the point at A, and 3 in the house just opposite attackers spawn. One in the left entryway, one at the bottom of the stairs and one at the top. [[User:Discordance|Discordance]] 06:12, 23 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | oh also in the little shack at b. [[User:Discordance|Discordance]] 06:16, 23 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ===Point A presents===
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| − | #In the building opposite blu spawn just inside the left door (approaching from blu spawn).
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| − | #In the same building at the bottom of the staircase. [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/631854688502509629/B751581A03C3D4AFAAE730EE4DF308EA63CCC42F/]
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| − | #At the top of the same staircase.
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| − | #Amongst the hay in the covered area approaching A.
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| − | #In the middle of the main path approaching A.
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| − | #In the bottom floor of the right house. [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409565097474/BC5A0F9279A3848D5E689C174F2F6B18AF252EF9/]
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| − | #On the stairs of the right house.
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| − | #The top floor of the right house.
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| − | #At the very bottom of the stairs from the right house opposite the A sign [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/631854688502497310/A74ADF4D5390AA8FF243DD4CD9CBB452259208DB/]
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| − | #Directly in front of the A sign.
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| − | #Directly on top of the A point. [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/631854688502370757/DB2975750D8A78CB67098D084331186483A11075/]
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| − | #To the left of the point between the point and the tractor. [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/631854688502444757/BB468E392084BB8BE12DE3DA5C5D75947DF554BE/]
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| − | #To the left of the sign in front of the tractor.
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| − | #At the bottom of the ramp to the right of the point [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409564529397/E155FBC753D0BC6FAF2EF13CEA6C65A43FDEFB9E/]
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| − | #At the top of the ramp to the right of the point [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409566434045/304F60440AF94B03E936943AB6F94E026F21AB0A/]
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| − | #In the small room to the right of the point. [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409548499298/D950F5E203E4248BBFF4B1B0EBE303309E89049B/]
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| − | #Just before the mouth of the tunnel from A to B.
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| − | #Just up the rock path that goes over the A-B tunnel.
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| − | *In the corridor off the small room to the right of the point (I think this is where the out of bounds present was, I'm fairly sure its also been removed sometime last Halloween).
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| − | ===Point B presents===
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| − | #Coming from A before the wagon just after the tunnel [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/631854688502389977/57FA1A7414F6F6B362019F24F18F1AB1B2C8BBAA/]
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| − | #Next to the tractor on the right.
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| − | #Coming from A hidden behind the wagon immediately on the left.
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| − | #In the small shack next to the wagon. [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409565101360/AB05C6DF1F4B52A0625F21E29E422CAB8E803A25/]
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| − | #Just past the shack on the main path. [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409548503104/5143B0FB78C36595AB6AB4132219B74767C65C89/]
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| − | #Further along the main path at the base of the stairs [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409548489749/9A15D5CFA8CCCB9326BC09FDA53B05BC6C66558C/] [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409564564089/C56031895473F334A1F7E5BA663533148F318F49/] [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409564566651/0964B1F4C44D727490984268404F30ED5C1C3AFE/]
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| − | #Behind the shack in front of the barn door [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/631854688502364156/24DC5B9DC04DA056AFE835DC3E7668FA1810BC96/]
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| − | #In the doorway of the b barn pointing back towards A [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/631854688502506180/F4C37E910F242A2F9AC87A6358ABF571A32FD357/]
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| − | #To the left of the doorway in front of the B sign. [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409548494483/E3A510C92C4378337E9DCE7C04DA5156D09ADFFB/] [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409548497187/180FA83A4652F4547EAC0401648780D795FDBCD3/]
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| − | #Next to the door of the B barn that faces the manors front door.
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| − | #In the doorway next to the ladder [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409548485940/52D14772390D564AD74B843A54CF4C02D8AE7FA3/]
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| − | #Directly on point B.
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| − | #In the shadows next to the ladder at B.
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| − | #In the open next to the barn on the main path
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| − | #In the corner below the platforms [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409548483430/E8C04AC84C058ABA63A0428F5DCEE1DD9DD7B9B9/]
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| − | #On the small stairs that lead up the the ledge back to A [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409565099584/FC1871140CFF383EB72E270BC27CEF67FC753E11/]
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| − | #On the platforms next to the door that leads to A.
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| − | #On the small stairs connecting directly to the corridor next to the platforms.
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| − | #In the corridor that crosses over the top of the main door leading to C. (double check)
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| − | #In the room at the end of the corridor [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409565094277/CFB21F87904450C4DACACA112B09A155812867D3/]
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| − | #Overlooking point B on the small ledge reachable at the end of the corridor.
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| − | #Directly in front of the main door, partially submerged in the wood [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409550709386/33EBC16608238AA5C62BAD42FDA221C03013C584/]
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| − | ===Point C presents===
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| − | #In the main corridor between B and C. [http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/630729409548480200/7A8E22E68BD22079AA47FB65CF2EB58DBCF448DF/]
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| − | #Taking the other corridor and going right from the main door, just in the corner.
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| − | #In the piano room.
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| − | #In the upstairs room with fireplace and large rug.
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| − | #On the stairs that lead down from the upper room to the library.
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| − | #In the library near the health? (fairly sure there was one here not seen it so far this year though.).
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| − | [[User:Discordance|Discordance]] 10:18, 23 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == 2011 Minimum Player Requirement ==
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| − | There seemed to be a threat against correcting this number, but the minimum requirement is now a solid 8 and should be noted as such during the 2011 pre-update period. I've tested this on 15 servers and on 6 accounts. No spectators, no replay, no people coming and going, just 8 players, and it spawns at the normal interval.
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| − | Since I'm new and don't know how the chain of command works on something like this, I'll leave it for someone else to correct, but it's easy enough to test, so I'm surprised it's still wrong. [[User:Shadows|Shadows]] 04:38, 26 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : It's very likely to have changed since it's been so long since [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Haunted_Halloween_Gift&diff=155652&oldid=155649 it was last verified]. -- [[User:Netshroud|{{TF2B|text = Netshroud | quality = unusual | size = 13px}}]] [[File:Killicon_backstab.png|22px|link=User:Netshroud]] <small>([[User_talk:Netshroud|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Netshroud|contribs]])</small> 04:48, 26 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | Went ahead and adjusted player count for 2011. I was in too many servers where people were quoting the Wiki with the previous requirement and getting confused. [[User:Shadows|Shadows]] 17:56, 26 October 2011 (PDT)
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