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| − | == Strange Quality items. == | + | == Color of tobor_a quality? == |
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| − | It appears that any weapon from a crate is now a strange weapon, We need to fully explore these new weapons to see if they have any other unique characteristics--[[User:Nintyuk|Nintyuk]] 04:25, 24 June 2011 (PDT)
| + | Did the tobor_a quality have an attached color? [[User:Missingtextures|Missingtextures]] ([[User talk:Missingtextures|talk]]) 23:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC) |
| − | :There aren't any. They count kills and "level up"; seems to be the limit of their functionality. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 04:43, 24 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | Strange quality items have their killcount reset when traded.
| + | :Can't check now anymore, unless you download the update where it was added from Steam. But the other qualities don't seem to have one in the items_game.txt so I wouldn't count on it.<br>[[File:BLU Wiki Cap.png|20px|link=List of Wiki Cap owners]] {{!}} [[Help:Group rights|<span style="color:green;font-family:TF2 Build;">s</span>]] {{!}} [[User:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">GrampaSwood</font>]] [[File:PraisetheSun.png|20px|alt=Praise the Sun!]] ([[User talk:GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">talk</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/GrampaSwood|<font color="DB9C1F">contribs</font>]]) 23:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC) |
| − | --[[User:Phaser Rave|Phaser Rave]] 13:57, 25 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | The Chargin Targe doesn't appear to tally any kills even if you kill with the charge, probably because it's not an active weapon, but a passive one. I haven't submitted a bug report on this yet, so if anyone wants to, be my guest. [[User:The Riet|The Riet]] 18:05, 25 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | There needs to be a full list of all the weapons. It seems some weapons do not have a "strange" counterpart. [[User:Havox|Havox]] 03:05, 12 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::There is a full list and it's been available since the Strange weapons were added to the game. [[Item_quality_distribution#Strange|Click here.]] [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 08:06, 12 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::The list isnt available at that link (as of my check just now) [[User:FRIENDLYUNIT|FRIENDLYUNIT]] 23:44, 7 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | The article stated that "Strange quality weapons can be found by unboxing Mann Co. Supply Crates of a certain series" ... I'm now editing to reflect Nintyuk's statement above that all weaponss from crates come out strange. Edit back if that statement is wrong. [[User:FRIENDLYUNIT|FRIENDLYUNIT]] 23:44, 7 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | *Only series >19 have strange quality (crates added during/after the Uber Update), but someone said "do not re-add the list of Crate Series #'s that contain Strange weapons" in the comments._. So I'll just revert it, I guess. [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 10:30, 8 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == "Strange" Quality Ranks. ==
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| − | Found these in tf_english.txt:
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| − | * "KillEaterRank0" "Strange"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank1" "Unremarkable"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank2" "Scarcely Lethal"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank3" "Mildly Menacing"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank4" "Somewhat Threatening"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank5" "Uncharitable"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank6" "Notably Dangerous"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank7" "Sufficiently Lethal"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank8" "Truly Feared"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank9" "Spectacularly Lethal"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank10" "Gore-Spattered"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank11" "Wicked Nasty"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank12" "Positively Inhumane"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank13" "Totally Ordinary"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank14" "Face-Melting"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank15" "Rage-Inducing"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank16" "Server-Clearing"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank17" "Epic"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank18" "Legendary"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank19" "Australian"
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| − | * "KillEaterRank20" "Hale's Own"
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| − | :What I didn't see anywhere (though I didn't look very hard) was the requirements for each rank... [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 07:49, 24 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Unusual weapons? ==
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| − | I've seen several people requesting unusual weapons on trading sites, but I have yet to see anyone with one. Do they actually exist? --<span style="font-size:83%;border: 1px solid #FF0000;background:#FFFFFF">[[User:Swarfega|<font style="background: #FF0000" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF">''' Swarfega '''</font>]][[User talk:Swarfega|<font style="background:#FFFFFF" face="Arial" color="#FF0000">''' T'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Swarfega|<font style="background:#FFFFFF" face="Arial" color="#FF0000">''' C '''</font>]]</span> 13:29, 26 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :Nope. Well not for now anyway. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 13:30, 26 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::Strange so why are people asking for them? --<span style="font-size:83%;border: 1px solid #FF0000;background:#FFFFFF">[[User:Swarfega|<font style="background: #FF0000" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF">''' Swarfega '''</font>]][[User talk:Swarfega|<font style="background:#FFFFFF" face="Arial" color="#FF0000">''' T'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Swarfega|<font style="background:#FFFFFF" face="Arial" color="#FF0000">''' C '''</font>]]</span> 13:32, 26 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::Often times, people will use Unusual rarity, then leave something in the notes like "Ignore "Unusual" rarity, I'm looking for Strange" or something, as most trading sites such as the TF2 Trading Post don't have "Strange" rarity in the system yet. At least, that's what I did when I put in a trade on the trading post for Strange weapons. I selected "Unusual" [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 13:37, 26 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::I guess so, but Ive seen plenty with no comments, I guess theyre just assuming the pros know what they mean. Thanks guys. --<span style="font-size:83%;border: 1px solid #FF0000;background:#FFFFFF">[[User:Swarfega|<font style="background: #FF0000" face="Arial" color="#FFFFFF">''' Swarfega '''</font>]][[User talk:Swarfega|<font style="background:#FFFFFF" face="Arial" color="#FF0000">''' T'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Swarfega|<font style="background:#FFFFFF" face="Arial" color="#FF0000">''' C '''</font>]]</span> 13:38, 26 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::::Technically, [[Horseless_Headless_Horsemann%27s_Headtaker|there is one Unusual weapon]], but it's fairly common due to how easy it is to trade for one or obtain the components needed to craft it. [[User:ButteredToast|ButteredToast]] 05:38, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Strange Weapon Drops ==
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| − | While I have no good solid evidence, I have heard a few people say they actually had strange weapons drop for them. Has anyone seen some more solid evidence of this being the case?
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| − | ::It may be another instance of that bug where people got Scrap/Reclaimed/Refined Metal as a "drop", when in actuality it was the crafting system or something failing to properly give the metal. This might be the case with the crates. People may not have received the weapon properly from the crate and then later obtained it as a drop. [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 18:24, 29 June 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Strange bug ==
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| − | How would I proceed if I were to add a bug to the strange quality section?
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| − | Since it's limited to one weapon, should I add it to that particular weapon or in this page? -- [[User:Mistah_Phoenix|<font color=#50006C>'''Mistah Phoenix'''</font>]] <sub>([[User_talk:Mistah_Phoenix|talk]])</sub> 17:17, 20 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :My instinct would be to put it on its own page, specifying that the item is Strange. I'm not entirely sure, but this is supported by the lack of a 'Bugs' section on this page. [[User:Shane Alvarado|Shane Alvarado]] 17:26, 20 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::Shane is correct, such information is not relevant to the description of item qualities; and should be placed on the weapon page in question, citing the strange requirement for reproduction. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 08:10, 21 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Is it easier to read? ==
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| − | Well I seen update in this page but I think it's harder to read. Does anyone think like me? [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 06:53, 28 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : No it isn't just you. The only thing the previous edits did was desynchronize the color table and backpack examples. It has since been undone. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 07:54, 28 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Vintage Quality First Distribution ==
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| − | I'm not sure, but before I go ahead and edit, wasn't it ''all'' items that you had before the Mann-Conomy update that became vintage, and not just "certain items"? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]]''' ([[User talk:Rocket Ship BBQ|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Rocket Ship BBQ|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | :Nope, It wasn't. Otherwise there would be many Vintage metals, 119 badges and so on. Also, don't forget to sign your messages with four tildes. <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki> ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 08:32, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::Alright, sorry, memory slip [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 08:33, 1 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Customized Weapons? ==
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| − | I was playing a game of arena_granary, and a bunch of people had customized weapons. The names were a bright green, and they had different stats | |
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| − | Here's a pic as proof, with a Medic wielding a Customized Crusader's Crossbow
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| − | http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/541775700440613177/17199E2671692E34827857FB63A8882FAA3AAFE5/
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| − | Anyone know what these are? This was the first time i've seen them, and the wiki doesn't mentioned anything about Customized quality-[[User:MKCSTEALTH|MKCSTEALTH]] 06:24, 5 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :It's an unused quality. You were playing on a server that was running a plugin to customize weapon attributes and quality. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 07:43, 5 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | Ah ok. Thanks-[[User:MKCSTEALTH|MKCSTEALTH]] 08:39, 5 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::See! I told you guys the quality color of Customized was green due to a bug in the source engine. And yet the table lists it as Vintage. I think it was Pilk who changed it to Vintage-colored. [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 13:06, 5 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::Yeah, It's lime green colored. I saw it in VS Saxton Hale mod. [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] 19:16, 5 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : Since no one wants to understand that we do this according to the tuples in the HUD files and not just what you happen to see with your eyes I took a screenshot of ClientScheme.res' relevant tuples. Note the highlighted line. Pilk's edit is correct, do not change it: [[:File:User Lagg seriously.png]] -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 15:31, 7 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::^I hate to point this out (especially to a Wiki Cap owner), but, please, I beg you, be considerate. Not everyone edits HUDs. This isn't SPUF. :( [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 15:42, 7 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::: Me having a wiki cap does not make me immune to criticism. Don't worry about it, but I will say that this page comes very close to be technical documentation (but we still make a point to not cross that line). Because of that those that wish to make changes need to have some level of knowledge of the files in the GCFs. In fact it is a prerequisite and this page could not exist in the state it does now if we simply went by in-game observations. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 19:32, 7 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::Yeah, but they do have a point. Sorry, I found your statement rather harsh. [[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]] 19:57, 7 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::: I'm a harsh person when warnings and clear explanations are not paid attention to. If I wasn't nothing would get done. If you have a problem with it take it to my talk page, otherwise keep this talk page on topic. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 11:09, 8 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::::: As I said to you before, Lagg ''(or was it Pilk that I said this to? Oh well, I'll say it again)''. '''Yes''', Customized uses the Vintage color, but there's an error ingame where Customized shows up as neon green. It's a well-documented error. [[User:404 User Not Found|404 User Not Found]] 14:29, 8 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::: I'm well aware of the bug. Which is why I noted that how we document it here is correct and took a screenshot of the relevant .res block where the tuples were. If you feel that it absolutely must be mentioned make a footnote for it near the color table but do not change the table's RGB value. -- [[User:Lagg|Lagg]] [[File:Backpack_Stickybomb_Launcher.png|24px|link=User_talk:Lagg]] 08:56, 9 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Trade Bug for Strange Weapons ==
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| − | Just discovered that if you trade the new strange weapons, not all the stats correctly reset.
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| − | For example I just trade for a strange medigun, the ubers reset but the assists did not. [[User:CartooN|CartooN]] 06:51, 19 August 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == "Completed" Qualities ==
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| − | In the [[August 18, 2011 Patch]], there's an undocumented change saying: "Added string for potential new item quality called 'Completed'". Can anyone confirm this and possibly make a template or wait until Valve releases further info? -[[File:BLU Fancy Fedora.png|31px|link=User:Aom776]] [[User:Aom776|<span style="color:blue">Aom776</span>]] 11:41, 2 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :You can confirm it by searching for "Completed" in tf_english.txt; there is no need for a template because as the change says, it's a "potential" quality - it does not yet exist. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 12:16, 2 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::Completed quality was added to the beta. How about now? [[User:Kodiak 7|Kodiak 7]] 20:02, 23 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :::Any thing can be in the beta, e.g. "All classes have double Health". Beta means nothing to the actual game (IMO). [[File:User_M-NINJA_Signature.png|link=User:M-NINJA]] 20:11, 23 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == New Strange Colours ==
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| − | Is there a hex code for them yet? I am not sure if they accept embedded images here, but here is the new colour: http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Krakash2/hhhmmmm/Signature/evenmorestuffs/newstrangecolour.png [[User:Krakash|Krakash]] 15:54, 2 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : #d06a2e. [[Seb26]] has already updated the CSS accordingly. [[File:User RagnarHomsar Userlink.png]] [[User:RagnarHomsar|RagnarHomsar]] 15:55, 2 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Community weapons description ==
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| − | I think Valve removed the description "Given to valuable Community Contributors" on community weapons, but i don't know when. Please can someone confirm this? Thanks.[[User:Plumpkins|Plumpkins]] 13:57, 17 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :The description wasn't removed, only the implementation for attaching it was changed. ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 11:28, 18 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Article Future ==
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| − | Well since each quality now has it's own article, the short summaries here seem rather redundant. This page could probably be deleted, but I think it'd be better in this case if was changed into a small stub regarding what Quality is as a concept, and covering the fine details. There is much misinformation regarding Quality, an explanation would probably be very helpful. Thoughts? ~ '''[[User:Ath|Ath]]''' ([[User_talk:Ath|talk]]) 17:08, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :It could be useful. I suppose, in a sense, it would be like deleting the [[Weapons]] page, because there are articles for each individual weapon already. [[User:Shane Alvarado|Shane Alvarado]] 12:50, 3 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ==You Beta Add This==
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| − | Does anyone think we should add the [[Beta]] quality to this page?--[[File:Scout_Decal_Black.png|35px]] [[User:ScoutKast|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:black ">ScoutKast</span>]] 20:44, 26 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :Beta isn't a quality... '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 20:51, 26 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | ::um...err...hmm...yeah...you're right, it isn't. Sorry, I though it was because the font for it in the tags was light green. Never mind. --[[File:Scout_Decal_Black.png|35px]] [[User:ScoutKast|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:black ">ScoutKast</span>]] 20:55, 26 September 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Completed ==
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| − | Recently the quality "Completed" was added to the beta, I think it's related to strange weapons, should this be added? [[User:Untouch|Untouch]] 07:36, 3 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | : It is in Beta, not in the main game, so it shouldn't be there. And no speculations, of course <b>[[User:DrAkcel|<font FACE="Arial" color="#41627E">DrAkcel</font>]]</b> <sup>([[User_talk:DrAkcel|<font FACE="Arial" color="#25587E">T</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/DrAkcel|<font FACE="Arial" color="#25587E">C</font>]])</sup> 07:38, 3 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :: To elaborate on this quality, I reinstalled the TF2 Beta, and checked ClientScheme.res for the "Completed" quality RGB values, and found "134 80 172". I popped those numbers into Photoshop and created this image:
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| − | :: http://404gaming.broseph.org/images/completedrarity.png
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| − | :: I don't remember the hex color code for the color, but that image above is what color the quality is. I rather like the color. '''[[User:404 User Not Found|404: User Not Found]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:404_User_Not_Found|(talk)]]</sup> 18:11, 7 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Festive ==
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| − | Does "Festive" count as a item quality? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Damian0358|Damian0358]]''' ([[User talk:Damian0358|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Damian0358|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | :Not really; festive weapons can also be strange. —[[File:User Rocket Ship BBQ Awesomepyro.png|24px]][[User:Rocket Ship BBQ|Rocket Ship BBQ]]([[File:Speech voice.png|20px|link=User talk:Rocket Ship BBQ]]•[[File:Intel neutral pickedup.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Rocket Ship BBQ]]) 16:11, 23 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | ::As I stated on [[Team Fortress Wiki:Discussion|the discussion board]], Festive is not an item quality at all. The "festive" prefix in a Festive weapon's name isn't a prefix at all. It's actually the weapons name ''(for example Festive Bat is actually the item's name)''. Before I had found [[Festive weapons|this article]], I was originally pushing to get Festive weapons into their own separate articles. But yes, to conclude this reply, Festive is not an item quality at all. It's part of the weapons item name. '''[[User:404 User Not Found|404: User Not Found]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:404_User_Not_Found|(talk)]]</sup> 16:34, 23 December 2011 (PST) | |
| − | :::One more question, are the "Festive" weapons "Unique"? (because how the words are colored) <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Damian0358|Damian0358]]''' ([[User talk:Damian0358|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Damian0358|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | ::::Unique and Strange. And you must sign your comment with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> before save page. [[User:Hinaomi|Hinaomi]] [[File:Killicon_unarmed_combat.png]] 07:02, 24 December 2011 (PST)
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| − | :::::Tip for Hinaomi, use "nowiki" (inside < and > brackets), then put <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> in between "nowiki" and "/nowiki". The nowiki tags prevent things like a signature from replacing the four tildes. '''[[User:404 User Not Found|404: User Not Found]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:404_User_Not_Found|(talk)]]</sup> 07:42, 24 December 2011 (PST)
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