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| − | == November 19, 2010 ==
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| − | Team spirit and Companion Cube pins were also added. -= [[User:M-NINJA|<font color="Blue">'''M-NINJA'''</font>]] [[File:Burger_Gib.png|24px|link=User_talk:M-NINJA]] =- 20:32, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|done}}. [[User:Seb26|<font color="#000">'''seb26'''</font>]] [[User talk:Seb26|<span style="font-size:95%; color:#0B61A4;">[talk]</span>]] 20:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::Should unreleased items really be listed? Because then we'd need to include the [[Jag]] and all that stuff. --[[User:CruelCow|CruelCow]] {{sta}} <sup>([[User_talk:CruelCow|talk]])</sup> 22:45, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Technically, the Jag is still being planned to be released once attributes are applied to it. With that said, if it is added, would it remain in the timeline when its model was put in the game files, or when it was made obtainable? <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Exiggah|Exiggah]]''' ([[User talk:Exiggah|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Exiggah|contribs]]) 01:49, 11 December 2010</small>
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| − | == 119th Update == | |
| − | [[Mercenary]] , [[Soldier_of_Fortune| Soldier of Fortune]] and [[Grizzled_Veteran| Grizzled Veteran]] were added. Later, in [[May_5,_2010_Patch| May 5, 2010 Patch]], [[Primeval_Warrior | Primeval Warrior]] was added. [[User:Mozgoed|Mozgoed]] 09:31, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|done}} also. [[User:Seb26|<font color="#000">'''seb26'''</font>]] [[User talk:Seb26|<span style="font-size:95%; color:#0B61A4;">[talk]</span>]] 09:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Mann-Co update ==
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| − | Since the "Team Sprit" tool is added, should all other tools + [[Mann Co. Supply Crate]] be added? [[User:Bluh Bluh|BLUH]] 09:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|x|No thanks}} I originally created the page with just Weapons, Hats and Misc items. I expect democracy will win out and add Tools, etc. My only concern is the size of the page. So, i'll start the voting with a NO. But, wiki is for everyone, what do others think? (Please notice i have not undone the "teamspirit" entry before you cast stones) [[User:Nooch|Nooch]] 17:07, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|Keep}} I was actually in the middle of adding the tools, like paint cans. They are technically items, I see no reason for their exclusion. The page is long as it is, a couple more items won't make a huge difference. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 17:10, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|Keep}} What Moussekateer said. Also, Golden Wrench that isn't even obtainable is there, i don't see why the tools can't be in, with name tags and stuff. -- [[File:User Swordz Swordz.png|25px]][[User:Swordz|<span style="color:#70B04A;font-size:13px;font-family:
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| − | 'TF2 Build';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><u>Swordz</u></span>]]{{mod}}[[File:User Swordz Swordz.png|25px]] <span style="font-size:10px">([[User talk:Swordz|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Swordz|contribs]])</span> 17:12, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Crit-A-Cola ==
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| − | CaC was actually added the day before the 119th update, in the April 28th patch. I'm not skilled enough in table modifications to fix it, but it should be fixed. [[User:Balladofwindfishes|Balladofwindfishes]] 18:53, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|done}}. [[User:Nooch|Nooch]] 19:07, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Alternative table restyling ==
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| − | {| class="wikitable grid" style="text-align: center;" width="100%"
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| − | !class="header" style="width: 5%" | Class
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| − | !class="header" style="width: 10%" | Item Type
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| − | !class="header" style="width: 15%" | Item Icon
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| − | !class="header" style="width: 25%" | Item Name
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| − | !class="subheader" colspan="5" | '''[[The Gold Rush Update|April 29, 2008]]''' — ''[http://steamgames.com/tf2/goldrush The Gold Rush Update]''
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| − | | rowspan="3" | {{Icon class|class=Medic|link=Medic}} <br/> [[Medic]]
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| − | | rowspan="3" | [[Weapon]]
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Blutsauger}}
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| − | | '''[[Blutsauger]]'''
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| − | | rowspan="3" align="left" | Also included in this update:
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| − | * 1 new game type (''[[Payload]]'').
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| − | * 1 new map (''[[Gold Rush]]'').
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| − | * [[Medic achievements]] pack.
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Kritzkrieg}}
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| − | | '''[[Kritzkrieg]]'''
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Übersaw}}
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| − | | '''[[Übersaw]]'''
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| − | !class="subheader" colspan=5| '''[[The Pyro Update|June 19, 2008]]''' — ''[http://steamgames.com/tf2/pyro The Pyro Update]''
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| − | | rowspan="3" | {{Icon class|class=Pyro|link=Pyro}} <br/> [[Pyro]]
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| − | | rowspan="3" | [[Weapon]]
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Backburner}}
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| − | | '''[[Backburner]]'''
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| − | | rowspan="3" align="left" | Also included in this update:
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| − | * [[Compression blast]] ability for the [[Flamethrower]].
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| − | * 2 new maps (''[[Fastlane]], [[Turbine]]'').
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| − | * [[Pyro achievements]] pack.
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Flare Gun}}
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| − | | '''[[Flare Gun]]'''
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Axtinguisher}}
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| − | | '''[[Axtinguisher]]'''
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| − | !class="subheader" colspan=5| '''[[A Heavy Update|August 19, 2008]]''' — ''[http://steamgames.com/tf2/heavy A Heavy Update]''
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| − | | rowspan="3" | {{Icon class|class=Heavy|link=Heavy}} <br/> [[Heavy]]
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| − | | rowspan="3" | [[Weapon]]
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Natascha}}
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| − | | '''[[Natascha]]'''
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| − | | rowspan="3" align="left" | Also included in this update:
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| − | * 1 new game type (''[[Arena]]'').
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| − | * 2 new maps (''[[Steel]], [[Badwater Basin]]'').
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| − | * [[Heavy achievements]] pack.
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Sandvich}}
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| − | | '''[[Sandvich]]'''
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Killing Gloves of Boxing}}
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| − | | '''[[Killing Gloves of Boxing]]'''
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| − | Thoughts?--[[User:Kid Of The Century|Kid Of The Century]] 16:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|Approve}} I would support this reorganization. For discussion, i'd prefer a variation slightly less complicated. Maybe just change ''Class'' field to ''Group'' field that could indicate either class or item type?
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| − | {| class="wikitable grid" style="text-align: center;" width="100%"
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| − | !class="header" style="width: 10%" | Group
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| − | !class="header" style="width: 15%" | Item Icon
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| − | !class="header" style="width: 30%" | Item Name
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| − | !class="header" | Notes
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| − | !class="subheader" colspan="5" | '''[[The Gold Rush Update|April 29, 2008]]''' — ''[http://steamgames.com/tf2/goldrush The Gold Rush Update]''
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| − | | rowspan="3" | {{Icon class|class=Medic|link=Medic}} <br/> [[Medic]]
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Blutsauger}}
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| − | | '''[[Blutsauger]]'''
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| − | | rowspan="3" align="left" | Also included in this update:
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| − | * 1 new game type (''[[Payload]]'').
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| − | * 1 new map (''[[Gold Rush]]'').
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| − | * [[Medic achievements]] pack.
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Kritzkrieg}}
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| − | | '''[[Kritzkrieg]]'''
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Übersaw}}
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| − | | '''[[Übersaw]]'''
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| − | !class="subheader" colspan=5| '''[[The Pyro Update|June 19, 2008]]''' — ''[http://steamgames.com/tf2/pyro The Pyro Update]''
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| − | | rowspan="3" | {{Icon class|class=Pyro|link=Pyro}} <br/> [[Pyro]]
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Backburner}}
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| − | | '''[[Backburner]]'''
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| − | | rowspan="3" align="left" | Also included in this update:
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| − | * [[Compression blast]] ability for the [[Flamethrower]].
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| − | * 2 new maps (''[[Fastlane]], [[Turbine]]'').
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| − | * [[Pyro achievements]] pack.
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Flare Gun}}
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| − | | '''[[Flare Gun]]'''
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Axtinguisher}}
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| − | | '''[[Axtinguisher]]'''
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| − | !class="subheader" colspan=5| '''[[A Heavy Update|August 19, 2008]]''' — ''[http://steamgames.com/tf2/heavy A Heavy Update]''
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| − | | rowspan="3" | {{Icon class|class=Heavy|link=Heavy}} <br/> [[Heavy]]
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Natascha}}
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| − | | '''[[Natascha]]'''
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| − | | rowspan="3" align="left" | Also included in this update:
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| − | * 1 new game type (''[[Arena]]'').
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| − | * 2 new maps (''[[Steel]], [[Badwater Basin]]'').
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| − | * [[Heavy achievements]] pack.
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Sandvich}}
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| − | | '''[[Sandvich]]'''
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| − | | {{item icon|size=76px|Killing Gloves of Boxing}}
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| − | | '''[[Killing Gloves of Boxing]]'''
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| − | :Anyone else have opinions about these changes? [[User:Nooch|Nooch]] 18:23, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::For better readability, I wouldn't mix the classes with Item type. Maybe the best thing is scrapping the Item Type info entirely, and use you last vesion.--[[User:Kid Of The Century|Kid Of The Century]] 01:46, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Do the first version with the item types, I like it a lot. [[User:Seb26|<font color="#000">'''seb26'''</font>]] [[User talk:Seb26|<span style="font-size:95%; color:#EA6B1C;">[talk]</span>]] 04:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Killing Floor Promotion ==
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| − | Should the title of the [[Foster's Facade]] and [[Stockbroker's Scarf]] section be "Killing Floor Promotion" or whatnot, in the same vein as the Poker Night Promotional update that released the [[Dealer's Visor]]? --[[User:Fragment of Nothing|Fragment of Nothing]] 03:27, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|done}} [[User:Nooch|Nooch]] 03:38, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Blank "Also Included in This Update" sections ==
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| − | !class="subheader" colspan="4" | '''[[September 2, 2009 Patch|September 02, 2009]]''' — ''[http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2787 Team Fortress 2 update]''
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| − | | '''[[Cheater's Lament]]'''
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| − | Such as the above. It doesn't look very nice, especially since there's even a bullet point there with nothing following. Perhaps we could add "nothing" after the bullet? I also notice that some entries for promo items and the like have a small blurb relevant to it (e.g. "Added Bill's Hat for players who pre-ordered Left 4 Dead 2"), while others are blank, so I'll go through and add that kind of simple information to fill in some of the blanks. [[User:Zarokima|Zarokima]] 13:31, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :To be honest, I almost regret to have added facts not tied to items (maps, gamemodes). So, yes, feel free to update the notes with appropriate facts.--[[User:Kid Of The Century|Kid Of The Century]] 17:38, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == "In total" section ==
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| − | I think it'd be cool to have an extra list in the 'Notes' cell for a summary of what was released in the particular update, like for example, the Sniper v. Spy update, it would look like this:
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| − | In total:
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| − | * 9 [[Hats]] were released
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| − | * 6 [[Weapons]] were released
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| − | Obviously there's a point where it becomes stupid to list this for some of the smaller patches, however, for the larger ones that can be quite long I think a summary would suit. What do people think? [[User:Seb26|<font color="#000">'''seb26'''</font>]] [[User talk:Seb26|<span style="font-size:95%; color:#EA6B1C;">[talk]</span>]] 20:35, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ==Stock Items==
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| − | Seeing as they're the ''only'' items in the game that aren't included here, couldn't the stock weapons appear as well? They could have a short section at the beginning where they are grouped together, labeled "Stock Weapons", their release date would be "Initial Release" and we could be done with it? [[User:Stbeecher|Stbeecher]] 19:37, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Section headers per update ==
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| − | Being rather long, this page can become quite hard to navigate. I've '''[[User:seb26/sandbox/1|prepared a draft here]]''' which I propose to use. The changes include attaching a subheader tag to each of the title rows, forcing them to appear in the table of contents. This makes it a lot easier to navigate to a specific update and to locate the latest update, as well. What do people think? [[User:Seb26|<font color="#000">'''seb26'''</font>]] [[User talk:Seb26|<span style="font-size:95%; color:#1E90FF;">[talk]</span>]] 04:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :{{c|support}} - Needs it badly. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 04:52, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Add maps ==
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| − | Right now, mostly all maps are listed in the note field. However, for example the last mappack didn't come with any items so those maps don't show up.
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| − | IMHO it would only be consequential if we also include maps in the list and rename this to ''release timeline''. --[[User:CruelCow|CruelCow]] {{sta}} <sup>([[User_talk:CruelCow|talk]])</sup> 12:34, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :Perhaps remove maps from this one, and keep it items only and create another named ''Feature timeline'' which also lists things such as Hauling of Buildings etc.? – [[User:Smashman|<font color=#507D2A>Smashman</font>]]<sub> ([[User_talk:Smashman|talk]])</sub> 12:43, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Notes weirdness ==
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| − | For notes regarding promo items, the sections that go
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| − | "'''Also included''' in this update: '''Added''' Bill's Hat for players who pre-purchased Left 4 Dead 2"
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| − | Perhaps some better wording is in order? Maybe something to the effect of:
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| − | "Promotional items: a, b, c are awarded to players who purchase x/do y."
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| − | [[User:Secret Agent Clank|Clank]] 02:10, 29 July 2011 (PDT)
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| − | == Spine-Chilling Skull 2011 ==
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| − | There are differing opinions about Spine-Chilling Skull 2011. I attempted adding the 3 skull styles, but [[User:M-NINJA|M-NINJA]] disapproved. What is the community's opinion?
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| − | {{Styles table
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| − | | image2 = Spine-Chilling Skull 2011 Cooling.png
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| − | | image3 = Spine-Chilling Skull 2011 Twisting.png
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| − | | style2 = spine-cooling
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| − | :{{c|x|No thanks}} - Undo [http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Item_timeline&diff=807967&oldid=807961 edit] by Nooch "those are styles" [[User:M-NINJA|M-NINJA]]
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| − | :{{c|approve}} - I want to see all 3 styles for reference.[[User:Nooch|Nooch]] 05:22, 6 November 2011 (PST)
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| − | :{{c|Nope.avi}} - The different styles are all on the [[Spine-Chilling Skull 2011]] page, they don't need to be here. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 09:42, 6 November 2011 (PST)
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| − | :{{c|x|Non}} The item added was the Spine-Chilling Skull 2011, the others are styles, they aren't new items. We have another page for this. It's better to keep everything in it'S rightful place. [[User:Tturbo|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:#476291 ">Tturbo</span>]] [[File:Killicon_ambassadorhs_unused.png|50px|link=User:Tturbo]] <sub><sub>([[File:Speech voice.png|20px|link=User talk:Tturbo]] / [[File:Intel neutral pickedup.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Tturbo]])</sub></sub> 10:31, 6 November 2011 (PST)
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| − | The No's have spoken! Crafted - [[Spine-Chilling Skull 2011]] don't have styles much like a [[Gibus]]. Also, [[Bounty Hat]], [[Treasure Hat]], and [[Hat of Undeniable Wealth And Respect]] are similiar too. Currently, the timeline does include all the Gibus and Treasure Hats. I've said my peace, majority rules! [[User:Nooch|Nooch]] 09:19, 11 November 2011 (PST)
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| − | == Timeline Template ==
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| − | A big project here for someone good with the markup. This page is desperately in need of one or more templates - currently everything is just listed in a series of huge tables, which makes it incredibly difficult for anyone without a pretty good knowledge of the markup to add any new items. It also means that there are seperate tables for all the different language pages which are left out of date unless someone keeps an eye on them, so something which uses translation switching would help. I know a fair bit about templates but this one is so complex that I've had a few problems adding to it in the past, and I'm nowhere near good enough to make a template from scratch. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 04:01, 8 January 2012 (PST)
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| − | : Is it OK to create a new template every time the new update comes? I don't see a way to design a common template suitable for any possible layout. And a template for every patch will at least help localized pages to stay up to date. — [[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <span style="font-size:10px"><sup>[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white; background:#5B885B;padding:0 2px;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 14:44, 21 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | : Or I can extract the whole page content to the big language-switching template. It will also solve the problem of localized versions updating. — [[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <span style="font-size:10px"><sup>[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white; background:#5B885B;padding:0 2px;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 14:49, 21 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | : And the 3rd option: a new language template can be created for every '''year'''. A change still should be done manually for every new update, but at least those changes will automatically appear on every localized page. We can start with 2012 year, leaving the other part for later updating. — [[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <span style="font-size:10px"><sup>[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white; background:#5B885B;padding:0 2px;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 21:28, 21 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | ::Any of those sound good to me - anything would be better than it is just now, doing everything manually for every version of the page. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 04:16, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :::Created and used template for 2012. Nothing changed from the facade, but all non-english editors should be glad now, including me :). As for the previous years, actually, there is no need in creating templates for them, because they are not subjects to change any more. — [[File:Login_Soldier.png|link=User:Stormbird]][[User:Stormbird|<span style="color:#5B885B;font-size:13px;font-family:'Arial';font-weight: bold;">Stormbird</span>]] <span style="font-size:10px"><sup>[[User talk:Stormbird|<span style="color:white; background:#5B885B;padding:0 2px;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 07:13, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
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