Talk:Heavy

Poker Night at the Inventory

I'd like to make mention of the upcoming Telltale game Poker Night at the Inventory, which the Heavy will co-star in. I think it would fit well in the trivia section, but seeing how this is a Featured Article, I'm having difficulty finding a way to add it without it coming off as uninformative "fanboyism", which would of course detract from such a handsomely written article. Any suggestions? Magnum357 06:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Well if this helps, Telltale was able to aquire the Heavy model sometime through the releases of Sam and Max no? Gamecrazy009 01:17, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Here's some trivia I've been meaning to add; it doesn't show up. Can anyone help? "According to the website for Poker Night at the Inventory, the RED Heavy enjoys reading Russian literature, listening to tapes and cleaning his minigun in his spare time. Considering Valve's involvement with the game, it may be considered canon." Satorifan 02:49, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

It's because you've added it to a publicly hidden section for trivia that may be added in the future. If the moderators deem it relevant they will add it. Moussekateer 02:54, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Poker nigh at the inventory - Heavy says he collects old coins which he uses to melt down to create his custom bullets. He also says that his favorite movies are The dirty dozen and the first 20 minutes of Rockey IV. The heavy said at school he had the option of beating boys or goats, and that he wasn't to good with goats. He also says he likes "woman" with red hair. The Heavy also tells a story about him killing engineer. It goes as follows "I am reminded of time Engineer kill my entire team. I search entire base for him. He tries to kill me with turret and mini-turret but i crush his toys like they are made of paper. Then i find him. Hiding by teleporter.I take his gun away from him. He tries to hit me with wrench! So i take wrench away from him. I take his wrench and shove it down his throat, all the way down to the handle. Then i rip off all his fingers, one by one! Lets see you build toys NOW! THERE IS BLOOD EVERYWHERE! AND HE IS CRYING! I THINK HE CRIES OUT FOR MOTHER..BUT..BUT..BUT WRENCH IS STUCK IN THROAT! And it sounds like.. Is this not funniest thing?!" (I will put a video up on youtube about the story with engineer).--QuincytheDestroyer 04:23, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Anybody else notice Strongbad calls the Heavy; Ivan? Jub 01:42, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Ivan is a generic (and slightly racist) name for a Russian. His name is not Ivan. Moussekateer 01:44, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for clarification. Jub 01:54, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Anybody notice that the Heavy said his favorite artist is Huey Lewis (Of Huey Lewis and the News?) I find that pretty interesting.Locutus 02:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Heavy is the tallest class

I wanted to make it clear that if the character models are compared and stood perfectly straight, the Heavy is in fact the tallest class. I have a reference image at home, which I will add to the wiki when I get back to my house later. I hope this is alright. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by ThePowerPlumber (talk) • contribs)

We already have that image uploaded. That said, it's not really interesting trivia; sure, it's a fact, but it's not really appropriate for the trivia section. ~ lhavelund ^{(talk ▪ contrib)} 18:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

so we are just going to keep false information in the trivia section?ThePowerPlumber 18:38, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

It's not false. The Sniper does stand taller because the Heavy slouches. Moussekateer 18:41, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Max is credit to team!

Well i was just snooping around the ol wiki and found this http://www.samandmax.net/wiki/Poker_Night_at_the_Inventory apparently the Heavy gets along very well with max, so i was wondering if we could add that to the ol' trivia section. Gamecrazy009 05:31, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Nice find, but not very notable/interesting for a TF2 player. — Wind 05:33, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Change the "Iron Curtain" Preview image?

Since the Backpack Icon of the iron curtain has been found, shouldn't it be put in the list of weapons instead of the image we created for the weapons article? Another question, why are all the backpack icons stretched out in all of the lists? 05:18, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Heavy's Boxing Story in Poker Night

Can someone please fact check this/add to main page.

• In Poker Night at the Inventory, the Heavy admits that in his youth he had the choice to either learn how to herd goats or learn to box. He chooses the latter because he states he isn't good with goats.

Thank you -Geno 23:45, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Its not about factchecking, its the fact that we are making Poker Night non canon, unrelated to TF2, since it is by Telltale games with Heavy (character) licensed. Ventus 23:46, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, but I think it's at least worth mentioning in the trivia section. Geno 23:48, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

No it's not worth mentioning anywhere because it's not canon. The lines have been written by Telltale Games and have nothing to do with Valve. Also please keep your signature next to your comment so it's easier to follow conversations. Moussekateer 23:51, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Despite being non-cannon the game has a Valve character in it. This page has an obligation to mention it because it's a page dedicated to the Heavy. Though some might think of the Heavy's appearance is non-cannon, most people will not make any distinction. What better place to clear it up then on this page? Geno 06:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

The game has a likeness of the Heavy in it. The dialogue was not written by Valve. It's no better than fanfiction. Moussekateer 06:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

To compare it to a fanfic is fairly absurd. The game contains Gary Schwartz, voicing as the Heavy. If it wasn't for Valve's permission Telltale games could not even include the Heavy in the game, due to copy right issues. However, you're missing the point mate. I'm not resisting the idea that every storyline brought up in the game should be non-canon. I'm saying we should at least bring those storyline up and explain their place in the TF2 universe. If not have a factoid stating that all dialogue the Heavy says is non-canon, provided with evidence. Many people will believe it is canon because a vast majority of TF2 players own the game. It is, after all, our obligation as wiki editors to inform the public. Geno 06:51, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

The only difference between fanfiction writers and Telltale games is that they paid Valve for the artistic license (and they're more competent writers). As for a factoid mentioning this non-canon Heavy I'd agree with a small note saying so somewhere, if the moderators don't resist that idea. Moussekateer 06:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

There's also the difference that it has effects on TF2 via the achievement promotional items. So: offical voice actor, official model used (can't remember where I saw this stated though, sadly), official endorsement from Valve, and actual impact on TF2 game from playing Poker Night... seems a bit above a "fanfiction" to me. Mar 07:47, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

That may be, but the fact of the matter is Valve did not write his lines. He refers to the Pyro as a 'he' in the game. Shall we take this as gospel then? There should be a note somewhere about his appearance but nothing more. Moussekateer 07:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Thats a very weak foundation to base the argument on. Various characters in TF2 refer to the pyro as "he" or "she". If the Heavy thinks the pryo is a "he" that doesn't invalidate the entire game. The various lines in Poker Night add to the Heavy's character by giving his favorite movies, favorite drink, education, early childhood, etc are not only amusing (and right up Valve's alley in the humor department) but also add depth to the character and should be included at least as trivia. Calling it FanFic when its officially licensed is a gross misrepresentation of the Poker Night. As you play Poker Night you realize very quickly that Strong Bad and Tycho are written as they are aware they are in a videogame, while Max and the Heavy are not. The Heavy stays in character and talks about many things during the game that add to the TF2 storyline.Xeroproject 20:51, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

trivia of sorts

i found from poker night that heavy likes red hair, is blissfully unaware of respawning, he thinks they are bad dreams, and also suggested max use the force-a-nature.

worth adding? Yourdeadthatsgoodamen 17:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

No, Poker night is not canon. Moussekateer 17:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

source? Traxus 17:47, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Try editing the Heavy page and look at the notice. Moussekateer 17:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Personally I'm leaning more toward the "non-canon" side now. However, we should wait until Valve says something because otherwise it's just pure speculation. Whose to say that Valve didn't write the storylines specifically for the Heavy? Also, I think people who have the game should list all the factoids. In the end we can let the mods decide whether we should omit it or not. Because most people who have the game will most likely think it's canon. So if it's not we at least owe the people a factoid that reads "ALL STORIES IN POKER NIGHT NON-CANON". Geno 17:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Well unless Valve say they've written his lines it makes more sense to assume they have had no involvement and the game is non-canon. List the facts if you want on a talk page but, until we hear otherwise, we have to assume they were made up by Telltale games. Moussekateer 18:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

By source i ment official source, has there been any word from Valve or have mods decided what's canon and not? Traxus 20:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

No the admin have decided it's non-canon. Until valve says otherwise that's what we'll stick to. Moussekateer 20:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Poker Night Stories

(Please list as many stories relating to Team Fortress 2 here.)

• In Poker Night at the Inventory, the Heavy admits that in his youth he had the choice to either learn how to herd goats or learn to box. He chooses the latter because he states he isn't good with goats. Geno 17:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• In poker night at the Inventory, The Heavy says that he dies repeatedly in his dreams(AKA he is unaware of respawning, he thinks they are bad dreams.) Yourdeadthatsgoodamen 18:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• As a child at camp, the Heavy watched a boy stab a sparrow to death with a throwing knife. After the kid left, the Heavy made a little grave and buried the sparrow. -- Nineaxis 20:54, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

• The Heavy has a Ph.D. in Russian Philosophy, which he uses "more than you may think" in his current line of work. Unfortunately, I forgot the university he attends. Discdeath 23:48, 24 November 2010 (UTC)