Talk:List of companies

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Old Geezer Draft beer

Did anyone notice when in Meet the Sniper when he flicks the bobblehead that the one next to it is Old geezer. Here's an image to prove it.

I want you to go back to that video, and tell me exactly where you see Old Geezer. -- Firestorm 02:10, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

right when he flicks the civilian bobblehead.the Old geezer bobblehead is right next to it in the picture. THE3STOOGES/HAMMERHEAD 02:13, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Go to the VIDEO, seriously, right now, watch it -- Firestorm 02:13, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

WTF!!!!!!!! Why isn't it there. THE3STOOGES/HAMMERHEAD 02

17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

It was never there, that image is just concept art -- Firestorm 02:19, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

oh it was replaced because they were afraid people wouldn;t get it. THE3STOOGES/HAMMERHEAD 02:19, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, and it blows my mind that you still don't know how to tab over your comments properly -- Firestorm 02:20, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Sarif Industries?

Should Sarif Industries be included in this list? You can find their logo in game, it's visible on the Heavy's Purity Fist, but I thought I should ask here before adding them to the list of companies, as they don't seem to have quite the same level of involvement as everyone else on this list to me. -Mr. Magoolachub 06:07, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

I think it falls under "Some companies have no properties, but appear on advertisement posters in-game or in promotional materials." Rolandius 06:18, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

I wouldn't list it here since the company has nothing to do with TF2 beyond appearing on that hat. You'll notice there's also no entry for Monday Night Combat, Aperture Science, or whatever company Ellis works for. -- - _{(talk | contribs)} -- 06:34, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

I guess promotional materials is TF2-only stuff. Rolandius 06:59, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

Spiral Knights

Does anyone remember if Mann Co.'s rival company was named in the Spiral Knights/Team Fortress 2 promotion? If so, that could be put here. Rolandius 06:22, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

This is a Wiki, why don't you look it up? » Cooper Kid (blether·contreebs) 15:04, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

Like I didn't already look at those? Sort of why I asked here if there was anything out there that named the company. Rolandius 19:04, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

Well if nothing about it was mentioned in those messages then I don't think it was mentioned. Alright :) 19:09, 20 August 2011 (PDT)

Newell and Sons

Could it reference to Gabe Newell, the founder of Valve and the TF2 team as the "sons"? DekoMan91 04:46, 2 September 2011 (PDT)

Not sure about the "sons" bit, but it's almost certainly a reference to Gabe Newell. » Cooper Kid (blether·contreebs) 06:31, 2 September 2011 (PDT)

Coop = Tecmo Koei?

The coop logo strongly resembles the Tecmo Koei logo so I'm going to go ahead and change it from "none". I'm just putting the reason behind the edit here. --Mattwo 20:09, 20 September 2011 (PDT)

This is incorrect. The logo is an actual real logo still used by some local grain cooperatives. It was the logo of the Double Circle Cooperative, which went defunct in 1985. But, it is still a common sight in rural America. The logo pre-dates Tecmo by over 40 years. Dzcomposer 11:24, 7 February 2012 (PST)

Captain Dan's army surplus

It may be a reference to the character of Captain Dan from Forrest Gump. I'm not sure, but it's the only prominent Captain Dan that I know of. Kane.malakos 20:49, 11 October 2011 (PDT)

Lieutenant Dan is in Forrest Gump, not Captain. SS2R 06:00, 30 October 2011 (PDT)

Resolution

Just to be clear (no pun intended), given the rather poor qualities of the logos (e.g. Telemax, Red Shed Beer, Blu Streak Beer) is it illegal to upload fan-made higher quality versions that follow the exact specifications of the original?

The quality of these pictures varies widely and does not lead to uniformity nor consistency (see the outlines of Red Shed Beer and Blu Streak Beer) within this wiki.

Are we truly stuck until Valve decides to release higher quality versions?

If this is true there needs to be a distinct warning to prevent budding,young graphic designers from uploading images that would go against such "purity". Upgrade 15:28, 8 February 2012 (PST)

Provision

That thing on the dispenser. I dont know why but it sounds familiar... Lucasthefourth ~Slash and burn!~ 05:22, 2 July 2012 (PDT)

Gray Gravel Co

After reading Shadow Boxers I think it's quite clear and obvious that Gray owns Gray's Gravel Co after the sign was shown in his base

--Engineer's Sentry 07:32, 30 December 2012 (PST)

Farmer's Elevator

The poster of "farmers elevator" is actually a real company. It is a grain elevator company that stores corn and soy beans KplKabbage (talk) 06:53, 9 April 2014 (PDT)

Yes, I agree, conditionally. Farmers is a generic name for a number of actual elevators, co-ops, banks, insurance companies, and retailers. There are several real retailers with the name Farmers Feed & Seed Co. or variations thereof (I know, I cold-called most of the ones could find numbers for to find out if they are a chain (they are not)).

Moreover, the green "hand shake"/"train coupling" is also a real icon, I know I have seen it in the 80's, and my farmer family (with a long history of founding cooperatives) recognizes it, but no one can remember the company's real name or where they saw it.

Another issue I have is the question of which TF2 maps these are on -- yes, I have not completely studied every map, but I don't think I've seen these in game. I would happily update the article if someone tells me what game map they are one. Mikado282 (talk) 04:01, 10 April 2014 (PDT)

I see... around where I live, there are plenty of grain elevators with that logo. One good example is "Farmer's Co-op Society." I actually deliver soybeans there sometimes. KplKabbage (talk) 07:21, 10 April 2014 (PDT)

Do me two favors then. Find one instance of it on an official TF2 map. And find one URL to a photo of the green handshake logo, I can't find one. Every pic I find for "Farmer's Co-op Society" has a completely unrelated logo. Thx. Mikado282 (talk) 18:35, 10 April 2014 (PDT)

Before we further embarrass ourselves ... A number of these cleaned up versions of real world signs were uploaded by one person in July 2010. The uploader says on his talk pages that they were his signs on earlier maps. I can’t find them on those maps, they might have been replaced by later updates (say by Australian Christmas 2011)? I’d ask him but his talk page hasn’t been active since early 2011. Mikado282 (talk) 20:41, 10 April 2014 (PDT)

Well, the town that I live in is a small town, so I don't think someone would take a picture of a grain elevator just for a logo... KplKabbage (talk) 09:38, 11 April 2014 (PDT)

"I don't think someone would take a picture of a grain elevator just for a logo" try googling that sometime, there are a lot of elevator logo pictures, try putting the following into the search:

the HOLDINgford miLL PIONEEr feeds Elevator Flickr

Don't sweat it. I've messaged the originator, who hasn't been active on tf2maps.net for a while. Some of these real world signs have probably never been published on a map, anyone knowing otherwise, chime in (I know some have been published). I got the impression from a couple tf2maps.net posts that using Farmer's Elevator was something of an in-joke. Mikado282 (talk) 19:16, 11 April 2014 (PDT)

I have been looking at multiple grain elevators in a bunch of small towns, and i noticed that a vast majority have them, yet like you said, it could be a gag. KplKabbage (talk) 06:47, 22 April 2014 (PDT)

Never used company signs

No evidence has been presented that the following company signs have ever been displayed in a released, official game map.

• Co Op
• Farmers Elevator
• Farmers Feed & Seed Co.
• Ferguson System
• Holdingford Mill
• Superior Feeds

Each of these is adapted from real business signs of the 60s or earlier. I have personally seen the original sources of all of these signs, most of them as a youth. Each of these were uploaded by the user (a prolific and valued editor of the day) called editor that sourced them from real life signs. That user claimed they went official with Hoodoo, but the signs listed above are not found on that map, nor in any screen capture of that map on this wiki. I am all about IRL nostalgia, but I want to know if there is any reason these 6 companies should not be removed from this list. Mikado282 (talk) 21:32, 11 June 2014 (PDT)

Redstone Cargo Possible Reference

Redstone Cargo may be a reference on Minecraft DiamondCubeMiner (talk) 23:57, 3 July 2014 (PDT)

There is a difference between "Redstone Cargo" and "Red Stone Cargo". It just depends on how you read it, so I don't think it's a reference. ClockworkSpirit2343 00:57, 4 July 2014‎ (PST)

Redstone references several related things, none of them having anything to do with Minecraft. In the real world, towns were named Redstone, after local red sandstone, shale, mudstone, quartzite, scoria, or granite, like that dominating TF2 maps. Redstone Arsenal was named for the local red soil and stones in that location. The Redstone rocket (which the sd_doomsday rocket very loosely resembles) was named for the Redstone Arsenal. In the 1960s Space Punk, which influences TF2 art, it was not uncommon to name companies after space programs.

So, all of these references are natural and consistent with the art and theme of TF2, but none of these references are documented (AFAIK) or particularly notable (except as TF2 art influences). And the sign was released long before sd_doomsday. From the TF2 logo itself, it is a clear reference to natural red stone, which is abundant on the TF2 maps; so, in my opinion, explicit documentation would be required to say that this TF2 company is a reference to Minecraft (even so, it would still be a multiple reference). There are mines all over TF2 maps; are those mines a reference to Minecraft or to all the red rock mines that that dotted New Mexico and Colorado upon which no small part of TF2 art is based? Mikado282 (talk) 07:26, 4 July 2014 (PDT) ; edited 12:02, 5 July 2014 (PDT)

DeGroot's Rum

How did they ignore this one? It's found on the label on the Scottish Handshake. DeGroot is the Demoman's last name, his full name being Tavish Finnegan DeGroot. Octorock888 (talk) 10:22, 20 July 2014 (PDT)

Forgive the liberty of adjusting the user's image size. Mikado282 (talk) 21:07, 27 July 2014 (PDT)

Missing designer references

As noted, a number of "companies" reference the real or community names for game designers or industrial artists. There are a number of company names for which the reference is presently "unknown", and for which a suspicision may be held that the name is a reference to a game designer (e.g., Casali) or a historical graphic artist (e.g., Cornwell). I submit the following names as potentially references to persons for others to search for correlation to Valve or community developers so proper reference may be made:

Beacon, Biggs, Binksi, Crummy, Schucker

Mikado282 (talk) 22:11, 22 March 2015 (PDT) 03:52, 26 March 2015 (PDT)

Can't figured out how to edit list

When I try to edit the page it says the list itself is in a template; when I go to the template the list isn't there, either. The edit I'm trying to add is that the Clem's corn sign also appears in Borneo. -Captain Video (talk) 14:24, 13 July 2015 (PDT)

--> {{List of companies}} — The preceding assigned comment was added by Tark {Finish Him! ▪ Contribs} 14:54, 13 July 2015 (PDT)

New companies from community maps?

I'm thinking specifically of RedEx from Swiftwater and Crash Construction from Probed. Swiftwater, of course, isn't officially in the game, but Probed is - now. Could Crash Construction technically be added to this list? Dogman15 (talk) 01:28, 15 October 2015 (PDT)

Certainly. If the map is in the vanilla game, you can add its companies. Darkid (Talk | Contribs) 07:25, 15 October 2015 (PDT)

Bonk Helm

Is the Bonk Helm a product of Bonk!? It made from 2 Bonk! Atomic Punch but it also made (probably) from Batter's Helmet and we don't know if Bonk! is indeed the company who made the Bonk Helm or manufactured the hat. Yair03 (talk) 06:58, 22 April 2016 (PDT)

Cerveza Royale

Cerveza Royale also refences to the famous mexican beer Corona, wich is a Worldwide export. MåsterGeek.MX (talk) 13:31, 29 April 2017 (PDT)

Cracky Pop may be a Coca-Cola reference

Coca-Cola contained a negligible amount of coca-leaf extract in its recipe until 1929. This makes sense considering Cracky Pop's name, i.e. "pop (soda) that contains crack," suggesting that, like Coca-Cola, it may be a cocaine-infused (or formerly cocaine-infused) soda in an alternate mid-20th century where Coca-Cola was much more transparently named. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tutwater (talk) • (contribs) 10:21, 9 August 2017

Speculation, not trivia. Also, please sign your comment next time with ~~~~ Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 10:10, 9 August 2017 (PDT)

Yeah, that's what I thought when I noticed the adverts for Cracky Pop in-game. Could be the case, but I don't know if it can be verified as a reference to that period in Coca-Cola's history. Then again, by that logic, we could say the same about the name being a reference to the Rice Krispies tagline. GoodMudkip (talk) 17:00, 20 September 2021 (UTC)GoodMudkip

Wouldn't BONK be none?

They sell to both teams sooo... Ilikethelugeranddemopan (talk) 15:20, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

It is none.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Arcade Games (Badlands Bandito, et al)

Yes, there are several new signs that can be uploaded from years worth of new maps. (Be sure to source from the game files rather than screen caps.)

But some signs are clearly arcade games rather than companies.

I hope we wouldn't add the arcade games here as companies:

1. These are mostly reused from Carnival of Carnage and Laughter and have been perhaps been sufficiently or better written up on those pages
2. I really don't think they can be considered BLU/RED fronts.
3. The arcade games on Laughter generally have interactive in-game interactions, any mention on the copies on Pier (like Badlands Bandito) should point to their write ups there.
4. The arcade games on Carnival of Carnage are specific parts of the map's storyline, any mention on the copies on Pier (Like Shoot the Idiot) should point to their write ups there.
5. Anything for these arcade games added to List of companies would be needlessly redundant to what is now better placed on the pages for Carnival of Carnage and Laughter.
6. IRL, they really are more branding than companies.

e.g., Chance Mannufacturing in Wichita, KS, makes many attractions, but the names on the signs that the purchasers apply usually have nothing to with any company.

Add the new companies, yes, but, please leave the arcade games to the maps they are introduced on.

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Do non-Canon companies belong in this list?

First off, let me postulate that a company is Canon only if it is part of a Valve-developed map or in Valve-published media. Second, the initial concept was that these listed companies were fronts for RED or BLU. This was later extended to subsidiaries and shell companies for TFi and Mann Co.

So, with this definition, in contrast, Red Planet and Tycho Corp are not Canon because they are not on Valve maps. Even though Charles Darling is Canon, his Triassic Preserve is not Canon because Valve did not develop Enclosure. (Does it mean anything that Valve drew Darling with an amber-topped cane?)

Just throwing that out there for comment.

However, all content is notable if patched to the game, meaning, all textures, images, and sounds in the files are justifiable to upload at least to a Category. There is no presumption that every image gets into a page, but don't presume there is no use for each one just because you haven't imagined it. Moreover, non-Canon companies are notable, even in some cases they are the raison d'etre of the whole map!

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I think non-canon companies should belong on the list. Non-canon companies can give info on the story of the map/game, meaning they should at least be put on the list of companies instead of being hidden away in a category. For example, the company's on Swiftwater for RED and BLU give a lot of information about the map story despite them being non-canon. They give context for parts of the map, such as the swift plan slideshow seen in BLU's spawn. I'm sure there's other examples of this in other maps, without these companies being listed, it would be harder to understand parts of the map. I would suggest putting the list of companies page in the see also section of a map page if it has note worthy companies.

Andrew360 16:39, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Either add a non-canon/community companies section, or don't list them at all.
GrampaSwood (talk) 16:48, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't see why we should separate them into different pages. A lot of this game's content comes from the community, it would be like if we separated every single map, cosmetic, weapon, etc into a "community" page. If Valve added them to the game and they are in the game's files, they should be with the other content that Valve has made as well.

Andrew360 17:57, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

If the non-Canon companies are specific to a single map, giving "a lot of information about the map story", then it is not useful to put them here instead of the map's page. I don't think it is useful for readers to have to come here for the stories of different maps, expecally if the companies from a map would separated in this list by alphabetization.

How important is the original concept of this page, that being, to present and tell more about companies that Valve built into the Storyline, or tributed to Valve employees, while admitting that not all of Valves companies fit either role.

The template is huge. A second section could be added to this page for Community companies section, with its own template. But that section should not try to repeat telling the map's story. Even if there it Trivia about the map's companies, The Trivia belongs on the map's page. (like, Shifty's Trivia is already on Swiftwater)(it is another thing, maybe, if Shifty's starts appearing on more maps)

No big rush to figure it out, though.

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Considering that the companies add to the world of TF2, listing them in the same section as Valve's companies might make it seem like they're canon and officially part of the game. There's no way Valve is going to not include a map in the game because of a fictional company. Hence, listing them separately would be the best option.
GrampaSwood (talk) 14:33, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Clearly the heavy update isn't finished because all the community maps have companies Valve doesn't want. Anyways, the community companies template added to the list of companies page is a lot better than just adding it to the big template already already, much better idea than mine. The only downside is there are already community companies in the list of companies list currently, so someone would have to remove those first before making the community template.

Andrew360 17:37, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Just to be clear, non-Canon does not mean Unofficial. Companies that are added by patched in Community maps are officially added to the game, they just are not necessarily Canon to the Storyline. Tycho Corp is part of the game, but not part of the Storyline Canon.

No problem moving non-Canon Companies from the present template to the proposed one.

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Also, I am open to alternatives we did add some Community companies without thinking it strange. Largely, as we know, TF2 has shifted from Valve maps to Community Maps.

And then there are the Community companies that have been reused on other maps?

And are there Community companies that Valve has used?

Is Triassic Preserve practically Canon? Is Hammond's Amber Mining Co. practically Canon? Valve did give Darling [[Hammond's amber-toped cane in the 2013 Comic (or is it Australium?!?!?).

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Non-nanon companies nonexistance

I propose that the classification of "non-canon" companies does not exist because the concept of "canon" companies is too vague to exist in practical form.

I have updated my thinking on this from what I proposed before. For there to be "non-canon companies", there would have to be "canon companies". I now conclude that any concept of a significant set of canon companies is too strained and impractical to get worked up over. Here are the thoughts that I ran through last month.

What defines a "canon" company?

• "A canon company is a Storyline company." This seems natural, since "canon" applies to the TF2 Storyline. The prime examples would be all of the RED and BLU company signs, but particularly the Gray Gravel Co. sign. This is an exceedingly small list, as even most Valve-created signs don't tie into the Storyline. Posibly, most of the RED and BLU company signs in the game aren't even listed here. Nor would I really want them to be included; I think the best place would be an addition of a gallery of RED and BLU to each of the team's pages.

• "A canon company is one that appears in canon Comics or Movies." Again, a compelling argument at first blush. However, this only expands the set of "canon" companies a small amount. And IMO, selection for inclusion of a company in a Comic or Movie really doesn't make it any more canon that those that appear on Valve-made maps. There is also the question of just how canon is each individual Comic or Movie.

• "A canon company is one that appears on a Valve-made map." On one hand, this greatly expands the list of potential "canon" companies. On the other, it could exclude particularly notable and popular "Community" company signs that Valve has added to the game. Some Community-created signs go on to be included in other maps Valve added to the game.

• "A canon company is one that appears on a map Valve has officially added to the game." This is the terminal conclusion; however, it is a conclusion that means that the there is no distinction between canon and non-canon companies, at least one that could be practically enforced. Even so, low priority should be given to adding one-off Community map companies. Hoodoo is a case that shows that Valve currates the signs that Community developers submit; and by so currating the Community map signs, Valve "addopts" the Community-made companies they add to the game as their own.

I don't think "perfection" should be the main goal, here. I don't think what we have been doing here has been too terrible. I do encourage, though, that when any particular Community or Valve map introduces a particular set of companies specific to that single map's storyline, those companies be "galleried" on that map's page. I would see such galleries mentioned in the lead, as was done on List of posters.

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I think we should split them up similar to what we did with the NPCs, have a section for Community NPCs and one for Valve NPCs.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't think we need to make a distinction (they're not super important - and the ones who *are* are listed in the storyline page), but if we absolutely must separate them, I guess a section for "official maps" and "community maps" should be enough (like Grampa suggested).

edit: same for List of posters. — Tark 16:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

I'll still hold to the non-argument of non-canon vs canon, but it is a fair point to discuss non-Community vs Community-created companies.

1. First off, I emphasize the present practice of covering thematic non-Community and Community-created companies in the page that covers the map, examples of this, where several company signs were created specific to the one map, including 2Fort Invasion and Carnival of Carnage (Valve). In this sense, some Valve and Community signs presently on this list (e/g/, Rottenburg and Pier) do seem like they could be removed/moved to the respective map pages.

2. I would counter (partially) that the question of notability also applies; some few notable Community company signs (e.g., Charles Darling's Triassic Preserve), including those Community-created companies that were later used in several maps (e.g., Hampshire's Heavy Lifting Equipment) could be included (remain) in this list. The many CP-mode company signs added with Foundry, that might today be covered on the map's page, ended up being used all over the place.

3. As to separating Community and non-Community items, do we separate Community and non-Community items in List of maps? If Valve adds a Community map to the game, it is an offical map, and the signs on it "official" signs (albeit of different notabilty).

4. "split them up similar to what we did with the NPCs, have a section for Community NPCs and one for Valve NPCs." NPC was once (shortly) split up like that (Canon/non-Canon), but no more; the NPC page is about Storyline, and non-Storyline Community characters were largely removed.

5. List of companies is not about Storyline. The NPC page is in the Storyline/Background categories because Valve created these NPCs for that use. Even if Companies is presently in those Storyline/Background categories, the association is tenuous. This is because Companies, even Valve-created ones, have different functions from Storyline; ambiance is the foremost reason, but tributes and wayfinding are important secondary functions. Valve pre-referenced Enclosure from Darling's appearance in Unhappy Returns.

I could see moving Valve's YTI signs and Pier's Bourbon Street restaurant signs to their relevant map page galleries, but that's about it. I think of the other Pier signs that might appear on later maps.

Sorry if this seems a bit rushed; it is, my vacation is over. gtg

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PS.

To recap,

• Non-canon vs canon is not a basis for dividing or excluding from this list.
• Valve does not segregate Valve-made and Community-made in the game files. This wiki does not segregate Valve-made and Community-made in the list of maps.
• That said, notability and placement are protential reasons to put some of these commpany signs on other pages:
  • I may get around for moving Finest Hour, Diedrich's Discount Delicatessen, Emmerich's to a special gallery on Pier, not because they don't belong in this list for some reason, but because they establish a (Bourbon Street) restaurant row theme. Even so, I am not sure, since my only reason is to group them by the theme, and they might now be used on other maps.
  • Even though it fits well with the French section of Pier, Ellis' Crawdads is not from the map and is notable both for its particular background and its use on multiple maps.
  • Petite Chou-fleur is maybe in the same situation, notable both for its particular background and its use on multiple maps.

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Upwards?

I can't find the template for Template:List of Companies to edit it, but it seems the map Template:Upward is incorrectly referenced as "Upwards" on the template. Does someone know where the template is that needs to be edited?

Jenkin Coal Co.

Are we sure Jenkin Coal Co. is not RED affiliated?