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| − | Anyone else finding that the weapon isn't ANY more powerful than the normal pipe launcher? In fact in my testing it seems to be a lot weaker. --[[User:André the Accelerator|André the Accelerator]] 01:31, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :This page is for discussing the article, not the weapon itself. For discussing the weapon, please use the TF2 forums [[User:Natemckn|Natemckn]] 01:33, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::I think it's in need of a buff, too. Just make it like the direct hit and give it reduced splash damage, or remove the damage to self. [[User:Anonynja|Anonynja]] 22:40, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::[http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=80 Talk to these guys]. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 22:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == 'Not what it looks like in game' ==
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| − | I beg to differ, because it does look like that in game: [http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5497/thelochnload.png Source] [[User:AbeX300|AbeX300]] 16:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Actually nevermind, it does say that in TF2Items...why do I even have it layed out like that? [[User:AbeX300|AbeX300]] 16:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Clip size inconsistency ==
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| − | Description says "-60% clip size" but the LnL has 2 ammo per clip whereas the GL has 4. Now, I know that GL's original ammo clip counted 6 grenades, but it should be "-66% ammo clip" then. Should be worth mentioning?--[[User:Kid Of The Century|Kid Of The Century]] 10:39, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I believe it's just Valve re-using some of the attributes in the schema but forgetting to change the numeric values. -- [[User:Psychopath|Psychopath]] [[File:User_Psychopath_avatar.png|16px|link=User_talk:Psychopath]] 10:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: 10% of 4 is 0.4, therefore 60% is 0.4 x 6 which is 2.4. 4 - 2.4 = 1.6. If it's 66% as you say, and 1% of 4 is 0.04, then it is 4 - ((0.04 x 6) + 2.4) = 4 - 2.64 = 1.36. How is this better? 50% is clearly the way to go. --<span style="color:purple">'''''Focusknock'''''</span> 09:00, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == New Kill Icon==
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| − | Today most of the new weapons got their own kill icons. I saw in the history that someone reverted the change to the old grenade launcher kill icon , however i changed it back because on this page, http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Weapons, it says that the loch n load uses the new icon. Did the person mean that its a bug and its not actually used in game?
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| − | [[User:Mgrandi|Mgrandi]] 07:54, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | : It's in the game files, but in game it does not use the kill icon, no one knows why, more than likely a bug. Until it actually changes that way in the game, it should be left as the grenade launcher icon [[User:MogDog66|<span style="font-family:TF2 Build; color:light green">MogDog66</span>]] [[file:User MogDog66 Service Metal No WhiteSpace.png|22px|link=http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/User:MogDog66]] <sub>[[User talk:MogDog66|t]]</sub> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/MogDog66|c]]</sub> <sub><span class="plainlinks">[http://steamcommunity.com/id/mogdog66 p]</span></sub> || 07:55, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::Your Edit was reverted by MogDog with reason the Loch-n-Load [[kill icon]] was added to the game files but for now is still unused (check the link I just gave) so for now it will not be added to this page. As soon as the new kill icon is used in game you'll be able to change it here.<br> Sign your edits using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> instead of writing everything, it's way easier, and make yourself a nice userpage too, it helps everyone know who you are and what you do :).[[User:Tturbo|Tturbo]] 07:59, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::: uh hey, i'm the guy who created the loch 'n loads kill icon, on release day it seemed the kill icon wouldn't work. it's due to be included/fixed up for the next update. sorry if there was any confusion, the new icon will be used soon enough! [[User:HyenaDip|HyenaDip]] 09:22, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::: The patch has just gone out. [http://store.steampowered.com/news/4866/ Info.] --[[User:Superslinger2007|Superslinger2007]] 00:51, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Crafting (primary or secondary token) ==
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| − | Does anybody know whether the description here or on the [[Crafting]] page is correct?
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| − | This page gives the recipe "DemoToken + PrimaryToken + Scrap" while the Crafting page lists (under the Class Weapons examples) "DemoToken + SecondaryToken + Scrap" and also lists it as secondary under the "Crafting weapon classifications" header.
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| − | I don't really feel like taking my chances by blindly trying one recipe (not even sure if I got the raw material needed), so if anybody knows which page got it right, please tell/correct. Thanks! :) --[[User:Sid|Sid]] 18:00, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :Thanks for pointing that out. The crafting page was correct in that the LnL is a secondary weapon for crafting purposes. The blueprint on this article has been fixed. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 18:08, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::Sweet, thanks for the quick clarification! *holds up his shiny new Loch-n-Load* :) ...now I just have to learn how to aim... --[[User:Sid|Sid]] 17:22, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::: As a note, All Loch-n-Loads crafted prior to march 15th with either the 2 reclaimed, 1 Scottish resistance blueprint, or the token blueprint, are now vintage. This is the only way to get a vintage Loch-N-Load. [[User:Animalbrad|Animalbrad]] 16:49, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ==Pronunciation==
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| − | Can someone add a correct [[Wikipedia:IPA for English|IPA]] pronunciation for the weapon? I've noticed most people call it the "Lock-n-load". I'd do it myself, but I don't have a working microphone at the moment. [[User:Cooper Kid|Cooper Kid]] 16:51, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :How else would you pronounce it? :S '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 17:25, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::There are various ways to pronounce it, but Loch as in "Lock" is pretty normal. That'de be the British/American English pronunciation of the word, if I'm not mistaken. It's a borrowed word, and is pronounced differently in Gaelic. The point is, "Lock" is correct. The Gaelic (and various other) pronunciation is "Law" and then you kind of clear your throat and it's not very pleasant to hear. Germanic languages, ho!—[[File:User spyonce hearts.png]][[User:Spyonce|Spyoncé]] 17:34, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::: I'm sure it's pronounced 'lohh' in areas of Scotland, but 'lock' is used more widely for everyone else.--<span style="color:purple">'''''Focusknock'''''</span> 18:10, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Actually, there isn't a correct 'British English' way of pronouncing it, English people generally say "lock" whereas in Scotland it's always "loch". I didn't realise it known as "lock" so widely - though I normally play on UK servers so I guess only I'm to blame for that. Maybe it's worth putting this in the trivia section though? [[User:Cooper Kid|Cooper Kid]] 18:48, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ==Weapon Price on the Wiki page==
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| − | Just notice that. On the wiki page it cost $9.99, then in ingame shop it cost $2.49. Need to be fixed. [[User:RusTORK|RusTORK]] 09:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :Done. For future reference you can edit the item prices in the [[Template:Dictionary/price|price dictionary]] yourself. '''<span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:83%;">—[[File:User Moussekateer signature sprite.png|31px|link=User:Moussekateer]][[User:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black">Moussekateer</span>]]·[[User talk:Moussekateer|<span style="color:black;font-size:82%;">talk</span>]]</span>''' 09:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Loch-and-Load and Mann Co Catalog ==
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| − | :Sorry, I'm not using TF2 Forums or something, so I decided to report here, Loch-and-Load isn't added to Mann Co Catalog list, at least in Russian version of TF2. <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Restline|Restline]]''' ([[User talk:Restline|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Restline|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | ::Already noted in the article under bugs. -[[User:C2Talon|C2Talon]] 04:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Loch-and-Load useless information?==
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| − | I was thinking, if the launched bombs shatter when it hits a surface, what is the point of saying +25% damage to self if it will never hit yourself? [[User:The Ultimate Medic|The Ultimate Medic]] 20:31, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :Because you'll never shoot an enemy nearby, right? [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 20:35, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::I just killed myself with it (and killed the enemy as well). {{n}} [[File:Duel_RED.png|link=User:EpicEric|20px|sub]] [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:
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| − | 'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic</b></span>]] [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#B8383B;font-size:15px;font-family:
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| − | 'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Eric</b></span>]]{{mod}} [[File:Duel_BLU.png|link=User:EpicEric|20px|sub]]<span style="font-size:10px"> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</span> 20:42, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::Also, see the demonstration for the weapon. {{n}} [[File:Duel_RED.png|link=User:EpicEric|20px|sub]] [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#5885A2;font-size:15px;font-family:
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| − | 'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Epic</b></span>]] [[User:EpicEric|<span style="color:#B8383B;font-size:15px;font-family:
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| − | 'Trebuchet MS';text-shadow:#e3e3e3 1px 1px 0px;"><b>Eric</b></span>]]{{mod}} [[File:Duel_BLU.png|link=User:EpicEric|20px|sub]]<span style="font-size:10px"> ([[User talk:EpicEric|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/EpicEric|C]])</span> 20:43, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Projectile speed correction ==
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| − | Since the grenades launch at 1200 units/sec (see its talk page) this makes the loch'n'load launch at 1200*1.25 = 1500 units/sec. [[User:CursedGhost|CursedGhost]] 14:32, 21 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | :Proof, like I said before. We tested this as well. [[File:Painted_Vintage_Merryweather_803020.png|24px|link=User talk:Fyahweather]][[User:Flamborsia|<span style="text-shadow:orange 0px 0px 3px;"><font color="#FF6600"><tt><big><u>'''Fyahweather'''</u></big></tt></font></span>]] 15:29, 21 October 2011 (PDT)
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| − | When we fire the normal grenade launcher you will hear the sound of the barrels spinning. This sound also plays on the Loch-n-Load. --[[User:Adliikhwan|Adliikhwan]] 19:13, 23 April 2012 (PDT)
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| − | it seem's that i cant pick up a ammo pack and return my ammo for the loch-n-load. Maybe it's just me, anyone else experience this problem? [[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 20:37, 12 May 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :Do you have the persian persuader equipped, perchance? — [[User:Armisael |'''Armisael''']] <small>([[User_talk:Armisael |T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Armisael |C]])</small> 20:41, 12 May 2012 (PDT)
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| − | i do.... does it do that when the persuader is equipped?[[User:TubbyMonster|TubbyMonster]] 20:54, 12 May 2012 (PDT)
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| − | :The Persian Persuader causes all ammo picked up to be distributed as health, not ammo. It's a passive effect that applies even when you aren't physically using it. '''» [[User:Cooper Kid|<span style="color:red">Coo</span><span style ="color:gray">per</span><span style ="color:blue"> Kid</span>]]''' <small>([[User_talk:Cooper Kid|blether]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Cooper Kid|contreebs]])</small> 02:59, 13 May 2012 (PDT)
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| − | == Splash damage vs. Grenade Launcher? ==
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| − | I've heard that this weapon has increased splash damage, but the splash distance, compared to that of the Grenade Launcher, is still the same: 3ft. Am I getting it wrong or is there more testing that needs to be done? — {[[User:Qorinthian|'''Qor'''<small><span style ="color:#989898 ">inthian</span></small>]]} 20:21, 20 October 2012 (PDT)
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| − | Since LnL grenades are 25% faster than GL grenades (from what the game says), wouldn't that mean that LnL grenades traverse at 1518-1525 [[Hammer units]] instead of 1331? [[User:NintendoDrilly|NintendoDrilly]] ([[User talk:NintendoDrilly|talk]]) 16:34, 12 August 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :Yes--'''[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]]''' 01:56, 13 August 2014 (PDT)
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| − | ::So... you know, why is it labeled as something entirely different, and yes, I read on the upper sections. - [[User:NintendoDrilly|NintendoDrilly]] ([[User talk:NintendoDrilly|talk]]) 20:30, 13 August 2014 (PDT)
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| − | :::Can someone explain to me why the article says that LnL grenades move at 1331 even though they move 25% faster than standard grenades? - [[User:NintendoDrilly|NintendoDrilly]] ([[User talk:NintendoDrilly|talk]]) 10:31, 16 August 2014 (PDT)
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| − | In my opinion, LnL should be nerfed, it kills main classes like scout, sniper, engineer (without gunslinger), spy bla bla bla.
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| − | its really overpowered weapon and should be nerfed quickly. Thanks!
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| − | <small>— ''The preceding unsigned comment was added by'' '''[[User:Frozrtf|Frozrtf]]''' ([[User talk:Frozrtf|talk]]) • ([[Special:Contributions/Frozrtf|contribs]]) </small>
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| − | : Use the [http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=80 forums] for balance discussions. [[User:I-ghost|i-ghost]] ([[User talk:I-ghost|talk]]) 09:28, 2 September 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == Bug with the Glasg0wnd achievement ==
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| − | Just so you guys know, the achievement '''Glasg0wned''' cannot be earned with the LnL. - [[User:Pootis-Man|Pootis-Man]] ([[User talk:Pootis-Man|talk]]) 21:56, 19 October 2014 (PDT)
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| − | == Base damage increased. now does constant base damage. ==
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| − | Like the Grenade Launcher, this weapon had its base damage slightly increased, in this case to 134. On disable damage spread servers it will always do that damage. Only direct hit values seem to have changed.[[User:Arcdash|Arcdash]] ([[User talk:Arcdash|talk]]) 13:19, 30 October 2014 (PDT)
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| − | ::Change has been reverted. [[User:Arcdash|Arcdash]] ([[User talk:Arcdash|talk]]) 19:05, 30 October 2014 (PDT)
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