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*The [[Sharpened Volcano Fragment]] is strongly recommended for its ability to set enemies aflame, thereby causing damage over time and is a useful tool for [[spychecking]].
 
*The [[Sharpened Volcano Fragment]] is strongly recommended for its ability to set enemies aflame, thereby causing damage over time and is a useful tool for [[spychecking]].
 
*Due to the absence of buildings, the [[Homewrecker]] and [[Maul]] are a poor choice for Medieval Mode; you should choose one of the  above weapons instead.
 
*Due to the absence of buildings, the [[Homewrecker]] and [[Maul]] are a poor choice for Medieval Mode; you should choose one of the  above weapons instead.
*Since the [[Third Degree]]'s ability concerns Mediguns which are banned, other weapons should be used.
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*The [[Third Degree]] is used best when you see a medic doing a [[Medicating Melody]] taunt with the [[Amputator]]. If the player being healed by the  Medic is hit with a Third Degree, it will also hit the Medic for the duration of the taunt.
  
 
==Demoman==
 
==Demoman==

Revision as of 13:26, 17 February 2012

This article is about Community Medieval mode strategy. Medieval Mode is a mode added with the Australian Christmas update and is currently only activated by default on the map DeGroot Keep. As only certain weapons are allowed, class balance is drastically altered from normal gameplay.

General

Available multi-class items
Item icon Saxxy.png Item icon Conscientious Objector.png
  • By default, melee weapons have a 12% chance of critical hits rather than the 2.5% chance of ranged weapons. Critical hits cause around 195 damage meaning all classes except Soldiers, Powerjack Pyros with a full overheal, Eyelander Demomen carrying 4 or more heads, and Heavies can be killed in one hit. Be aware of this when using weapons that cannot deal critical hits.
  • In DeGroot Keep, the rocks around the tower at point B can be traversed by either team to surprise the enemy, although it is harder for the BLU team to scale the rocks onto the point. This is a recommended route for Scouts and Spies.
  • The console code "tf_medieval_thirdperson 1" can be used to aid in melee weapon aiming.
  • Placing a '!' or a '/' before anything you say in chat will stop the auto translate feature.

Scout

Available items
Item icon Bonk! Atomic Punch.png Item icon Crit-a-Cola.png Item icon Mad Milk.png
Item icon Bat.png Item icon Sandman.png Item icon Holy Mackerel.png Item icon Boston Basher.png Item icon Candy Cane.png
Item icon Sun-on-a-Stick.png Item icon Fan O'War.png Item icon Three-Rune Blade.png Item icon Atomizer.png Item icon Wrap Assassin.png
Home Run

Secondary Weapons

Because the Pistol and the Winger are unusable, the drinks are the only ones Scout can use as a secondary weapon.

  • Bonk! Atomic Punch: Drinking it makes you invulnerable for 6 seconds while the user cannot attack while active. Without the presence of Sentry Guns, this weapon is limited to distractions and escapes.
  • Crit-a-Cola: Drinking it Allows you to deal mini-crits while also taking mini-crits from any damage from enemies for 6 seconds. You can compensate your lack of power, but it's risky because of you taking mini-crit damages while active, so it's risky to do so. Be very careful while facing a Sniper with Bushwacka, as the mini-crit you take will turn into full crit if you get hit while the effect is active!
  • Mad Milk: When the enemy is covered with Mad Milk, 60% of all damage taken will be returned as health to any attacker for 10 seconds. Very useful to support the user and your friends in the middle of a struggle. Throw this especially on crowded places (Point C for example) as your friends can heal while also attacking.
    • Remember that Mad Milk is also useful for Spy checking. It is especially important for Scouts to do this since Snipers cannot use Jarate and Pyros lack an area effect fire weapon.

Melee Weapons

Because all of your weapons deal less damage than other classes, use your speed to your advantage and circle-strafe to get as many hits as possible while taking as few as possible yourself.

  • Bat: Totally normal Bat. Does not have any advantages nor disadvantages to the Scout using it.
  • Holy Mackerel: Same as bat, but the kill feed can tell if the Spy is using Dead Ringer or not.
  • Sandman: Gives the ability to shoot a ball that stuns the enemy on hit. The downside is that you will have lesser health, which is 110. Shoot the ball and hit an enemy from as far as you could to catch the enemy off-guard. Like the Huntsman, it's easier to shoot on crowded places (Point C for example) as you don't really have to aim while doing so.
  • Candy Cane: Enemy drops a small medkit upon death (That means dropping 2 medkits in Medieval Mode). Though the downside is the vulnerability to explosive damage, in Medieval Mode only Ullapool Caber and Kamikaze taunt deals explosive damage, which can kill Scouts in one hit anyway, you can use the weapon with relatively low risk. It's superior to Bat or Holy Mackerel, so use it if you have it.
  • Sun-on-a-Stick: Deals 25% lesser damage, but deals guaranteed critical hits on burning enemies. Use it if your team's Snipers are frequently shooting flaming arrows or you have a Pyro using the Sharpened Volcano Fragment, and work together to create a deadly combination.
  • Boston Basher/Three-Rune Blade: Deals melee damage and bleeding damage on hit, but will bleed yourself if you miss. This weapon will provide you bigger damage, but can bleed if you swing into thin air. This means you have to deal strikes wisely, and try not to miss a swing. If it hits any object, it will not hurt you, so try to swing it on edges.
  • Fan O'War: Deals 90% less damage, but causes all damage taken to be mini-crits if you hit an enemy. It's used mostly on support-oriented Scouts, as it can help teammates do mini-crits to enemy teammates, but leaves you practically defenseless. A hit and run strategy is best used with this technique.
  • Atomizer: Allows you to triple jump by the cost of 10 health. But the downside is that you swing 30% slower and deals 20% lesser damage. This weapon is not recommended, but you can use it on offensive to out fox opponents and claim the capture points.
  • Wrap Assassin: Similar to Sandman, you can shoot an ornament that bleeds upon contact with an enemy. But the downside is that it deals 70% lesser damage than the Bat. Throw it similarly to how you use the Sandman.

Soldier

Available items
Item icon Buff Banner.png Item icon Gunboats.png Item icon Battalion's Backup.png Item icon Concheror.png Item icon Mantreads.png
Item icon Shovel.png Item icon Equalizer.png Item icon Pain Train.png Item icon Frying Pan.png Item icon Half-Zatoichi.png Item icon Disciplinary Action.png Item icon Market Gardener.png
Kamikaze

As you cannot use any Rocket Launchers, and the Shotgun and Reserve Shooter are also not available, the Soldier is far more of a support class in Medieval Mode. Gunboats should not be equipped as the Soldier has no means of rocket jumping, Mantreads also suffer as there are fewer explosive weapons and it is much harder to get above and land on opponents. You should use one of the Soldier's bugles, which can be quite useful to buff teammates in the absence of Übercharges:

  • The Buff Banner is extremely helpful when attacking the final point. Consider buffing friendly Snipers, especially if they can hit enemies with flaming arrows, as the afterburn will mini-crit as long as the Snipers are buffed. Buffing a friendly Pyro wielding the Sharpened Volcano Fragment will do the same. Bleeding is also affected by this, so coordination with your team is key.
  • The Battalion's Backup is, conversely, helpful when defending the final point, or when a crit boosted enemy is about to charge in. If an enemy Soldier is using a Buff Banner, you may want to wait until he sounds his bugle, and then sound your own to cancel it out.
  • The Concheror works well on either Offense or Defense, as teammates will constantly be attacking the enemy.

In terms of melee weapons:

  • The Shovel or Frying Pan are good if you want to do consistent damage at all health levels, but the Pain Train should be used in place of either when attacking, as there are no bullets flying, and thus no added vulnerabilities. However, the Demoman's shield bash currently counts as bullet damage and should be taken into account.
  • The Equalizer can be used if you can maneuver yourself well and avoid attacks. It's important to remember that the Medic's Medicating Melody taunt with the Amputator will not heal you if you have the Equalizer out. Additionally, the Equalizer's Kamikaze taunt is one of the few ways to cause explosive damage in Medieval Mode; try catching enemies coming around corners or charging into the final point off-guard.
  • Using the Battalion's Backup and Equalizer, try to take small amounts of damage to build up your rage meter. Then, switch to your Equalizer to make a quick escape, regroup with your teammates, unleash the rage and help mow down your enemies with the Equalizer.
  • The Half-Zatoichi is a good weapon to use because the Soldier does not use a primary weapon and rarely uses his secondary. Keep in mind, however, that an enemy Soldier or Demoman wielding the Half-Zatoichi can kill you in one hit, and vice versa.
  • The Disciplinary Action is good for speeding up slower teammates like Heavies but is poor for self-defense, making the Soldier even more of a support class. However it does have a long range, even longer than the Eyelander, so you should be able to get a few hits or two on anyone who isn't faster than you. It also works well for Spychecking - disguised Spies will not be sped up.
  • As with the Gunboats, the absence of Rocket Jumping makes the Market Gardener a poor choice as there is no way to activate its ability.

Pyro

Available items
Item icon Fire Axe.png Item icon Axtinguisher.png Item icon Homewrecker.png Item icon Powerjack.png
Item icon Back Scratcher.png Item icon Sharpened Volcano Fragment.png Item icon Maul.png Item icon Postal Pummeler.png Item icon Third Degree.png

The Pyro has no equipable primary or secondary weapons but has an innate resistance to afterburn and a decent selection of melee weapons.

  • While the Fire Axe will provide consistent damage, the Back Scratcher is a generally superior replacement for Medieval Mode, as everyone drops medkits upon death. This will, however, diminish the Medic's healing from the Crusader's Crossbow and the Medicating Melody taunt of the Amputator.
  • The Axtinguisher/Postal Pummeler's use is limited, due to fire only being present in the form of a flaming Huntsman arrow or the Sharpened Volcano Fragment, the only weapon which gives the Pyro his signature ability to set enemies on fire. However, if there is already another Pyro on your team wielding the Fragment, you can follow them with the Axtinguisher to make for a deadly combination.
  • The Powerjack can heal and provides one of the few ways to gain an overheal. However, its increased melee vulnerability gives it a drawback in large melee fights.
  • The Sharpened Volcano Fragment is strongly recommended for its ability to set enemies aflame, thereby causing damage over time and is a useful tool for spychecking.
  • Due to the absence of buildings, the Homewrecker and Maul are a poor choice for Medieval Mode; you should choose one of the above weapons instead.
  • The Third Degree is used best when you see a medic doing a Medicating Melody taunt with the Amputator. If the player being healed by the Medic is hit with a Third Degree, it will also hit the Medic for the duration of the taunt.

Demoman

Available items
Item icon Ali Baba's Wee Booties.png Item icon Bootlegger.png
Item icon Chargin' Targe.png Item icon Splendid Screen.png
Item icon Bottle.png Item icon Eyelander.png Item icon Pain Train.png Item icon Scotsman's Skullcutter.png Item icon Frying Pan.png Item icon Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker.png
Item icon Ullapool Caber.png Item icon Claidheamh Mòr.png Item icon Half-Zatoichi.png Item icon Persian Persuader.png Item icon Nessie's Nine Iron.png Item icon Scottish Handshake.png
Decapitation

Due to the Grenade Launchers and Stickybomb Launchers being unavailable, you should equip Ali Baba's Wee Booties/Bootlegger and one of the Shields.

  • The Chargin' Targe has better passive defensive bonuses against fire and explosions, making it a better choice when facing Volcano Shard Pyros and Ullapool Caber Demomen.
  • The Splendid Screen, on the other hand, has more offensive power with a shield bash that can oneshot weaker enemies with enough heads.
  • With either shield, Demomen can use the rock outside BLU spawn as a ramp and charge onto the RED battlements quickly, allowing him to take out enemy Snipers or rush the final point.

The Demoman has the most melee weapons of any class. Try them out:

  • The Bottle, Frying Pan and Scottish Handshake are reliable weapons with no drawbacks, though the Pain Train is a much better choice for offense as it provides a capture bonus and only the Demoman's charge is affected by its damage vulnerability.
  • The ability of the Eyelander, Horseless Headless Horseman's Headtaker and Nessie's Nine Iron to collect heads, as well as their larger range, is very useful, especially once the Demoman builds his health, speed and shield damage bonuses. It cannot crit and will reduce the Demoman's initial health.
  • The Scotsman's Skullcutter, with its increased damage and ability to crit, can be extremely effective (especially when combined with a charge). Its move speed reduction can be an issue, though. Avoid this weapon if you are focusing on speed.
  • The Claidheamh Mòr has the advantage of an increased charge length. RED Demomen who are quick and lucky can potentially charge into BLU players heading to point A, scoring a surprise kill as the match begins. It cannot crit and will reduce the Demoman's initial health.
  • The Ullapool Caber is the only weapon capable of causing explosive damage (barring the Soldier's Kamikaze taunt), and can easily take out a cluster of enemies with a full shield charge. Once exploded, it is effectively useless thanks to both no random crits and the low damage after explosion.
    • This is extremely useful for clearing control points, especially the final cap of Degroot Keep. Remember that you can hit the floor at the end of the charge if there are no enemies in range; it will still crit enemies in range of the blast.
    • The blast knockback can be used to jump onto the castle's battlement, allowing the same strategies as a Demoman using a shield charge to ramp up there. This will leave you with less health and a less effective melee weapon, though.
  • The Half-Zatoichi is a good weapon to use for the healing capacity, and the Demoman can't switch weapons anyway. Other Soldiers and Demomen with the weapon can oneshot you as easily as you can them, though.
  • The Persian Persuader's charge recharge is extremely useful, and as no available weapon uses ammo anyway, it effectively adds extra health packs to the map. Just remember that the disadvantage of this weapon, is that it can't do any random critical hits.

Heavy

Available items
Item icon Sandvich.png Item icon Dalokohs Bar.png Item icon Buffalo Steak Sandvich.pngItem icon Fishcake.png
Item icon Fists.png Item icon Killing Gloves of Boxing.png Item icon Gloves of Running Urgently.png Item icon Warrior's Spirit.png Item icon Fists of Steel.png Item icon Eviction Notice.png Item icon Holiday Punch.png
Showdown

As the Shotgun is unusable, always make sure to equip a lunchbox item:

  • The Sandvich is a great way to heal yourself or your teammates in the absence of a Medic.
  • The Dalokohs Bar/Fishcake is more useful in Medieval Mode than in conventional gameplay due to Medics being unable to overheal, and the increased amount of health pickups, which grant slightly more health while your maximum health is increased.
  • The Buffalo Steak Sandvich can be used to grant added speed and have you deal Mini-Crits with your melee weapon of choice; use this to your advantage in Medieval Mode, but beware, as all hits taken will also be Mini-Crits. Be especially careful against Snipers using the Bushwacka, as all Mini-Crits will be turned into Critical hits! Use in conjunction with friendly Soldier's Battalion's Backup to negate Mini-Crits against you and rid your enemies of all their blood!

And as for melee:

  • Your Fists are a good choice, especially with the increased chances of enemies grouping together, giving you a chance to land a Showdown. But use it with caution, or you will be an easy target for the enemies.
  • The Holiday Punch functions similarly to the Fists, with the additional backstab-like mechanic of forcing enemies to laugh. However, keep in mind that rolled crits also force the enemy to laugh, which will happen more frequently with Medieval Mode's higher chance of critical hits.
  • The Killing Gloves of Boxing can guarantee crits for 5 seconds after a kill with them. Use this to your advantage in areas with many enemies, such as the final control point. When used with the Buffalo Steak Sandvich, use the initial mini-crit buff to get a kill and lead to the K.G.B.'s crit buff, which in conjunction with the Steak Sandvich's speed boost becomes an extremely deadly and devastating combo. Due to the lower attack speed you have to make every hit count.
  • The Warrior's Spirit is also a good choice due to its higher damage output and ability to crit, compensating for the 20 health reduction.
  • The Eviction Notice allows the Heavy to attack faster than a Scout at the cost of damage. Combine with the Buffalo Steak Sandvich to do 156 base damage in a single second.

These melee weapons should generally be avoided:

  • The Gloves of Running Urgently have a health draining effect which is hard to counteract with the lack of Medi Guns; this combined with its low damage output make it a poor choice for Medieval Mode.
  • The Fists of Steel is detrimental to the Heavy's vulnerability against melee weapons, which are widely used in this mode. However, it does gives resistance to ranged weapons such as the Huntsman used by the Sniper.

Engineer

Available items
Item icon Wrench.png Item icon Gunslinger.png Item icon Southern Hospitality.png Item icon Golden Wrench.png Item icon Jag.png Item icon Eureka Effect.png
Organ Grinder

Without the Shotgun, Pistol, or Buildings, the Engineer's role in Medieval Mode is very limited. Specifically:

  • The stock Wrench and the Golden Wrench are not recommended as you'll have the same speed and do the same damage as a Pyro wielding the Fire Axe, but with significantly less health (125 instead of a Pyro's 175).
  • The Jag is worse, doing 25% less damage than the Wrench with none of its usual benefits.

Instead of using those, use one of the two weapons below, though keep in mind that neither of them deal random critical hits:

  • The Gunslinger gives you a much needed extra 25 health (bringing you up to 150), a guaranteed crit after three successive punches on an enemy, and a Kill taunt: the Organ Grinder.
  • The Southern Hospitality makes enemies bleed, which is especially useful for Spy checking in the absence of Pyros, but the afterburn from flaming arrows or a Pyro's Sharpened Volcano Fragment should be considered. If a friendly Soldier uses a Buff Banner, stay in range to ensure the bleed effect does additional damage.
  • The Eureka Effect is capable of dealing random crits and has the advantage of instant respawning which is very useful for esapes or returning to the keep as RED.
  • With your low health, ensure you know where the health kits are. Keep tabs on where your Medic is, especially if you are using the Southern Hospitality and catch fire. If you are on fire or bleeding and taking mini-crit damage from an enemy Soldier's Buff Banner, see if there is a friendly Soldier using the Battalion's Backup and stay in range.

If neither the Gunslinger nor the Southern Hospitality are available to you, you may want to consider switching to another class.

Medic

Available items
Item icon Crusader's Crossbow.png
Item icon Bonesaw.png Item icon Ubersaw.png Item icon Vita-Saw.png Item icon Amputator.png Item icon Solemn Vow.png
Spinal Tap

As the Syringe Gun and Medi Guns are not available, it's highly recommended you equip the Crusader's Crossbow:

  • The Crusader's Crossbow is the only way to heal teammates at long range, and provides a reliable ranged attack.
  • You can fire bolts through the window slits, the gaps of the spawn gates, and through the gate to the final control point, just like the Sniper's Huntsman.
  • Make sure to memorize the ammo placements, as the Crusader's Crossbow is the only weapon that uses ammo aside from the aforementioned Huntsman and the Spy's watches.
  • If you see a mass of players, firing bolts at them even at random will almost guarantee a useful hit, either damaging an enemy or healing an ally. Pump away!

When it comes to your choice of a melee weapon:

  • The stock Bonesaw will do consistent damage, but the Amputator is superior. Its Medicating Melody taunt can be used to directly heal teammates in the absence of the Medi Gun or Crossbow. This is especially effective when the fight is clustered around control points. Try to find a sheltered place to perform the taunt, as you are a sitting duck while you perform it.
    • Using the Crusader's Crossbow and Amputator together increases your passive health regeneration, making you a true Medieval Medic.
  • Like the Amputator, the Solemn Vow is superior to the Bonesaw, in this case, it will allow you to see the enemies health. Use this to your advantage.

These melee weapons should generally be avoided:

  • The lack of Medi Guns makes the Vita-Saw a poor choice, as it lowers your health by 10 with no benefit.
  • Similarly, the Übersaw is less useful, giving you 20% slower swinging speed, with the only benefit being the ability to use its Spinal Tap Kill taunt.

Sniper

Available items
Item icon Huntsman.png
Item icon Razorback.png Item icon Darwin's Danger Shield.png
Item icon Kukri.png Item icon Tribalman's Shiv.png Item icon Bushwacka.png Item icon Shahanshah.png
Skewer

Primary Weapon

The Huntsman is the only and best weapon choice as a ranged weaponry available to be used in Medieval Mode. If you don't have one, that means you have to depend on your Shield and Kukri.

Huntsman: Allows you to shoot an arrow that travel in arcs. In DeGroot Keep, you can use the torches spread around the map to light up the arrow and turn into flaming arrow that burns the viction on fire. Because it doesn't instantly hit, and travels in arcs, it's harder to pick a headshot. The key to using this weapon is timing and precision, and takes some time to get used to it.

Secondary Weapon

The secondary weapon that can be used in Medieval Mode are shields only. There are 2 shields that can be used by the Sniper,

  • Razorback: Shields against one backstab attempt. Also, this is more useful in Medieval Mode than other modes, because Spies cannot use Revolvers in this mode.
  • Darwin's Danger Shield: It does not shield you against backstabs, but its health bonus can make a big difference as it will allow you to survive longer.

Melee Weapon

The melee weapons are used as you always do in regular modes. The choices are:

  • Kukri: Completely normal, and has no advantages nor drawbacks.
  • Tribalman's Shiv: Causes bleeding damage, making it good for dealing with Spies and making weaker enemies retreat, but its low attack power makes it less effective in group fights.
  • Bushwacka: Useful when teamed up with a Buff Banner Soldier, against a Scout under the effects of Crit-a-Cola, enemies marked for death by the Scout's Fan O'War, or against a Heavy under the effects of the Buffalo Steak Sandvich. The drawback is that you are more vulnerable to fire damage, so watch out for Pyros wielding the Sharpened Volcano Fragment in addition to flaming arrows from other Snipers.
  • Shahanshah: Deals less damage when health is more than 50%, and more damage when health is less than 50%. This makes the weapon useful if you got hit during a melee fight. Use your health to your advantage.

General Strategy

  • When on the BLU team, once the main gate opens (After capturing A and B), position yourself in front of the gate, and fire arrows toward the capture point, ducking to the side out of the gate's line of fire after each shot. People will be clustering around the capture point and it will be easy to hit opponents without much aiming.
  • Conversely, when on the RED team on DeGroot Keep, once the main gate opens, put yourself in a position where you can shoot outwards through the main gate into the battlefield. As most enemies will be rushing in a straight line through the corridor toward you with melee weapons, it will be very easy to hit them as well.
  • Remember that arrows can pass through the holes in the gates and the tower window slits.
  • Snipers can ignite their arrows using the torches spread throughout DeGroot Keep.
  • Focusing your fire with other Snipers can be extremely effective and can allow for quicker kills.
  • Before the gate to the final control point or spawn gate opens, you can still fire your Huntsman through the gaps.

Spy

Available items
Item icon Knife.png Item icon Your Eternal Reward.png Item icon Conniver's Kunai.png Item icon Big Earner.png Item icon Spy-cicle.png
Item icon Disguise Kit.png
Item icon Invis Watch.png Item icon Dead Ringer.png Item icon Cloak and Dagger.png Item icon Enthusiast's Timepiece.png
Fencing

While the Spy's most important weapons are largely unaffected, the behavior of enemies is vastly different to other modes due to the focus on melee – adjust your strategies as needed.

  • Stay out of direct melee fight since your knife does terrible damage. Instead, backstab enemies when they are distracted in battle.
  • Without the presence of the Flamethrower, Spies are harder to find. Even so, watch out for classes with bleeding effect weapons, and other threats such as Scouts with Mad Milk, Snipers with flaming arrows, and Pyros with the Sharpened Volcano Fragment.
  • The best time to backstab the defending team is when the gate is open and they are focusing their attention on it, leaving them exposed.
  • By the same token, while defending the last point, you can easily drop down from the battlements and backstab foes entering or clustering around the gates.
  • With the Cloak and Dagger, use the alcoves at points A and B to hide and wait for an opportune moment to strike.
  • The Dead Ringer can be used well, as spychecking is harder with melee weapons.
  • Pay attention to what weapon your disguise is carrying (especially if you're using Your Eternal Reward). If your disguise is holding a weapon that cannot be used in Medieval Mode, that gives the enemy team an obvious sign that you are a Spy. Press "Use Last Disguise" to change your weapon to a melee one.
  • If not using a disguise, try to stab the enemy as fast as you can; if he is using tf_medieval_thirdperson 1 they might see you approaching from behind.
  • Use the Conniver's Kunai with caution. Unless you have good experience, this weapon is a poor choice due to the huge loss of health when in use. Thanks to the huge loss of health, many of the classes have a chance to kill you in one single hit. Use similar caution with the Big Earner.
  • Use the Spy-cicle when possible. The weapon gives immunity to being ignited by Sharpened Volcanic Fragment and lit arrows as this weapon recharges instantly in Medieval Mode.
  • Degroot Keep is a great place to practice and use trick stabs, since the enemy can only use melee weapons, so they are very predictable and it's very easy to stairstab and side stab. Strafing to the side and stabbing charging Demomen can shut them down.