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Hello, if you could translate this article to Dutch (updated) I think it would be really awesome because it's one that I worked on a lot and I am interested in your language. :)-- Akolyth (talk) 19:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Yeah sure, I'll get to it tomorrow morning, I'm really tired right now because it's 22:14 but I'll get on it tomorrow. GrampaSwood (talk) 20:14, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello GrampaSwood!

Thanks so much for your help. I have realized that now --Doktorjan 09:03, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

CC

Hey, although I'm glad to see people translating wiki pages into Dutch, you really should pay more attention to basic grammar - you're getting basic verbs wrong in some of your translations. Sleepybird (talk) 04:43, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Grammatica

Hey, er zijn een hoop pagina's waarvan de Nederlandse vertaling barst van de spelfouten, niet alleen de pagina's die door jou zijn vertaald. Het meest voorkomende probleem is volgens mij dat veel woorden die aan elkaar zouden moeten staan los worden geschreven: ik heb vandaag de pagina van de Gemuteerde melk verbeterd, waarin herhaaldelijk 'brood monster' stond in plaats van 'broodmonster'. Bijvoeglijk naamwoorden staan los - 'eng monster' zou wel los moeten staan - maar vaak zie ik foute spaties in zelfstandig naamwoorden. Ook had ik in het artikel dat ik van jou had verbeterd, die van de Millenial Mercenary, wat werkwoordspelling verbeterd. Derde persoon enkelvoud in de tegenwoordige tijd heeft natuurlijk geen stam + d. Kijk hier nog even naar: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/index.php?title=Millennial_Mercenary/nl&diff=prev&oldid=2386201 Sleepybird (talk) 15:46, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Iedereen maakt trouwens fouten, dus maak je geen zorgen :) Het is alleen iets om op te letten. Sleepybird (talk) 15:51, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Smissmas 2018 Nav

Sommige Smissmas 2018-voorwerpen hebben Nederlandse namen, ik ben ze aan het updaten. Weet jij toevallig hoe de nav onderaan de pagina's kan worden geüpdatet? Die geeft namelijk nog steeds de Engelse namen aan. Sleepybird (talk) 17:28, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Als het goed is dan word de nav geüpdatet via de dictionary (https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Template:Dictionary/items, deze link gaat naar de pagina met alle voorwerpen), je moet alleen wel met CTRL + F de Engelse naam opzoeken. (De Dictionary word ook gebruikt voor de {{item name/link|voorwerpnaam}}. Dat zorgt ervoor dat de naam automatisch vertaald word). GrampaSwood (talk) 18:05, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you i wasn't know what i needed to do CubeX (talk) 23:53, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Weeee!

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VasyaTheWizard ^{(talk) • (contributions)} 16:39, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

I was going to say that your Userpage was very French, but that's the color of Netherlands. Oops. ▪ - 18:14, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

 :( GrampaSwood (talk) 19:58, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

But your page can be very Netherlands... no? ▪ - 20:11, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes men, is very Dutch :) GrampaSwood (talk) 20:13, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

minor correction

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Prinny

Drvon (talk) 14:50, 5 March 2019 (UTC) I had gotten the Ok for my edit from Rikka, I had to wait a few days to get the key since they were sold out

Request(?)

Please make a satellite out of matchsticks. :3 Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 15:23, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

You had ONE job GrampaSwood (talk) 17:05, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Please make a satellite out of matchsticks so we can nuke spammers and vandals from orbit. VasyaTheWizard ^{(talk) • (contributions)} 12:21, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Not mine, but here's a tug boat made out of matchsticks (source) GrampaSwood (talk) 17:18, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Trivia revert

First of all, if you don't think it's trivia, fine, but that doesn't mean you should just remove my contribution, second, no it's not mentioned already on the page, Will Sagerman's name is nowhere to be found on the page, he is the creator of the viewmodel and should be credited for it — The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheKopakah (talk) • (contribs) 17:26 CEST

It's not that I don't think it's Trivia, it really isn't trivia. His name is mentioned in the infobox in the "contributed by" section. Please do not revert the edit again as it has been reverted before and might lead to punishment by :the staff.

Also please respond on your own user page next time (it's how the discussion can be followed by outsiders) and sign your comments using ~~~~
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi GrampaSwood

First of all thank you. What I meant by the question meant am I doing a good job with the translations. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by DoktorJan (talk) • (contribs) 29th of June 2019 20:35 CEST

I'm not Swedish myself, so I can't tell you. However, Steam has its own translation program called Steam Translation Server. There are 2 moderators for Swedish on there, Orange and Neargineer. You could add one of them and ask if they can review some of your translations.
GrampaSwood (talk) 18:39, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Very Swood Pics

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I hope someone does the same for me with all the icons I've been doing... Maybe when I'm done with all of them. - ▪ - 20:18, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Nice

Hi Grampa,
bla bla bla edit bla bla bla — Tark lm(pt-br) 05:48, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi lol,
bla bla bla edit bla bla bla GrampaSwood (talk) 06:00, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Stuff

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Sorry for that random criticism, there was just a lot of recent damage on a wiki page :P
GrampaSwood (talk) 18:37, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Changes redo

I would like you to redo my changes on Template:Building Specifications, you told to provide a source, the source is myself, I have discovered it. I have a recording of me doing the test. BezaoBuilder (talk) 23:25, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Redo the edit and provide a source other than "I did it". Preferably a recording.
GrampaSwood (talk) 06:57, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Ok, where should I send the recording?BezaoBuilder (talk) 16:35, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh, the recording is here BezaoBuilder (talk) 16:40, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

If you could edit it to include a timer showing how 1 swing decreases it by 1,5 second, 2 swings would decrease it by 2 seconds, and 3 swings would decrease it by 3 seconds. You could also show how the first hit decrease. My adobe premiere shows it off as a having 61 frames per second, but 1,25 seconds being equal to 1 second for some reason. Preferably side by side, starting on the frame you place down the Sentry and ending on the frame the HUD icon changes. If you can't do this, or if someone else can't do it, you will have to wait until next week so I can do it myself.
GrampaSwood (talk) 17:39, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

This video was never intended to be published or easy for people to understand. This was simply made because I did not want to create a labyrinth of custom hammer-made maps, scripts, and screen recorders, I mean, I do not know if there is a "trigger_engineer_building" in hammer BezaoBuilder (talk) 16:17, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

All you just need to do is add some timers to it, it's not that much work. Otherwise, I can't confirm it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 16:24, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

But my Openshot does not have timers BezaoBuilder (talk) 17:45, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Good job!

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Are you ready, kid?

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Meet the Robinsons speculation

Hi, GrampaSwood.

I added a note about speculations about the Shutterbug being a reference to Meet the Robinsons to the Trivia section because three different people have done it four times already. Considering the article is barely over one month old, I thought that was enough times to warrant a note, like how the Hound Dog has a Trivia note saying "Let readers make their own connection between the yellow painted Hound Dog and Johnny Bravo", and decided to add the Observer to the note as well because I saw that as a potential item for people to add multiple times too.

Cheers. =) - BrazilianNut (talk) 23:23, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

I only saw it being added once, and I usually see all/most edits on the English part of the wiki (I check the RC every morning until the last edit I saw in IRC's RC then sort on English only to make sure). I did not see other edits, so I missed them. I undid it now, but put the note at the bottom so people who are tempted to add it read it first as opposed to at the top/next to == Trivia ==
GrampaSwood (talk) 07:29, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Eternal Reward

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Wow! — Tark lm(pt-br) 22:56, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

• Ye i was supposed to give it to you but i see you got one. FiatSeicento 12:13, 11 October 2019 (UTC)Fiat Seicento

You could edit your name in the wikichievement or steal it from Tark :))
GrampaSwood (talk) 13:59, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

CELEBRATION TIME

https://wiki.tf/d/2470713 CMON
FiatSeicento 11:09, 13 October 2019 (UTC)Fiat Seicento

Congratz on the shiny capper, ye chicken-chewing bastard! Context for those who weren't on IRC - he was eating chicken the moment I dropped the last vote on him. VasyaTheWizard ^{(talk) • (contributions)} 11:12, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Winner winner chicken dinner indeed FiatSeicento 11:14, 13 October 2019 (UTC)Fiat Seicento

🐔. Also congrats. Denied (Talk) 11:15, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Nice chicken. Wanna do it? { TidB | t | c } 11:17, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes
GrampaSwood (talk) 11:25, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Nice chicken nub))) Also, gratz on cap, you finally made it! Fuffeh ▪ Talk ▪ Contributions 11:41, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Parabéns! — Tark 13:00, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

"BREAKING NEWS: Celebration begins as local Dutch man gets his very own brand new, very shiny, and unusual hat."
Kaezle (talk) 13:07, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Congrats, well deserved :) Mgpt (talk) 13:10, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Well Grampa you made it, despite my directions. Congratulations :> Faghetti V.2 (talk) 14:40, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

This message brought to you by Wiki Cap. Wiki Cap, the shiniest hat you ever need Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 14:45, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Nice job! — Thedop (talk) 16:06, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘dis be droppu — Wind 19:50, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Pootiscap  Wookipan (talk | contribs) 19:59, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

*notices 1 pixel of the Community Sparkle sprite* *breathes in* IS THAT A SELF-MADE HAT? - ▪ - 20:04, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

SPARKLY HAT TIME! :D - BrazilianNut (talk) 11:08, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations for not shitting your pants before finally getting it. — shots fired by: Nikno {Talk | Contribs} 16:12, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Soul Gargoyle Rank

Hey there GrampaSwood! First of all congratulations for the hat! You deserved it! Second of all I need your help, again. Do you know how to translate the Gargoyle Ranks in this page https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Soul_Gargoyle/it ? It looks like some sort of dictionary template, but before doing something stupid I'd prefer to ask.

Thanks buddeh. D-ray (talk) 09:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Ciao amigo :D

You can add them in Dictionary/items， just search for "===[[Soul Gargoyle]] ranks ===" and add them as other languages did.

10:29, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi there,
as Dereko mentioned, you should edit it in the dictionary itself here.
However, you can find out where to do it yourself in the future too: Edit the Soul Gargoyle page, scroll down the page (not the page's text) and you might see something like this or this. These are the templates used on the page, here you will just have to find the template's name (In this case, Soul Gargoyle Ranks and click on it using your mouse's scrollwheel (This opens it in another tab). Now, click on edit and scroll down again, you should now see there's the whole list of dictionary entries (DO NOT EDIT THESE INDIVIDUAL PAGES). This means it's done via the dictionary, otherwise it's done via the template itself with translation switching. (Alternatively, you can look at the template itself and see it uses {{item name|Sad}})
GrampaSwood (talk) 11:27, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks both of you guys! :)

Edit: it looks like the template is already translated but for some reasons it doesn't appear.

D-ray (talk) 20:41, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

pls in russian i don't speak london

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Sound request

I would like to request the sound effect for the Pomson 6000 drain sound effect. I think it will be useful because it will help readers hear the distinct "drain" sound of the Pomson 6000. Likewise, I would like the Spycicle extinguish sound too for similar reasons. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 04:05, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I will get on it tomorrow (12-12-2019)
GrampaSwood (talk) 21:12, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Pomson drain, Icicle melt
GrampaSwood (talk) 17:55, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Did I apply the Spycicle file to the right position of the respective article? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 02:02, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

No problem, and yes
GrampaSwood (talk) 08:43, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I request uploading of the following files: Spy_tape_01.wav, Spy_tape_02.wav, Spy_tape_03.wav, Spy_tape_04.wav, Spy_tape_05.wav. These are for complimenting the Red-Tape Recorder article. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 01:27, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

I'll get on it soon, please do keep future requests here to not clutter the talk page.
GrampaSwood (talk) 09:23, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Okay then. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 22:36, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Spy tape 1, Spy Tape 2, Spy Tape 3, Spy Tape 4, Spy Tape 5. These should be all, let me know if there's something else you need
GrampaSwood (talk) 12:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! By the way, how would you word the descriptions for each of the five sounds of the Red-Tape Recorder? And also, upload the Dead Ringer sound, if not already available on the wiki; I sense the special decloak sound might be noteworthy to mention in the article, and there even is a placement on the article where the sound file may come in handy. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 09:09, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

I'd suggest that any new requests should be made here, leave the request and your signature there. I've uploaded the dead ringer uncloak as requested
GrampaSwood (talk) 17:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

All right. Also, yes the link works. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 03:45, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Trivia removal

I think your removal of my trivia was unjustified, since it had evidence to corroborate it. There was a a splash of speculation but look at this image, then look at Illustrative Rendering in Team Fortress 2's silhouette section. It's some evidence that the Scout was using the SMG model as a Nailgun placeholder. Mind you both Trailers 1 and 2 were made in SFM (then called IFM by VALVe), but it's something. I hope I can convince you with this evidence.
Please forgive my poor formatting, as I'm new to the TF2 Wiki. All I want to do is help, but sometimes, even I need help. Sandvich Thief (talk) 07:48, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

This doesn't mean that the SMG was the world model for the Nail gun. We don't get to see Scout's first person perspective in the first trailer, so there is no way to know that it's a placeholder (world)model. The most likely thing is that it's most likely just a whole different weapon that was later given to the Sniper. Unless there's some source directly from valve specifically stating that the SMG was a placeholder model (I don't think you'd put it in a trailer if it was a placeholder), it's speculation. Spy lost his tranquilizer gun too, but it isn't necessarily a placeholder for his Revolver. (Nail gun might've been moved to Medic as well, but with a different model).

I fixed your formatting btw, if you want a file to be linked add a ":" in front of the link, like this [[:File:filename]]
GrampaSwood (talk) 12:23, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

First off, thanks for reformatting my poor writing.

Now, I understand what you're saying about the Nailgun, and I get that, but you also forget Medic had the SMG, as in Concept art, the SMG was labelled as his. Not to ::mention, in early builds of TF2, the Syringe Gun's script used the localisation tag "TF_Weapon_SuperSMG". Another thing, the Tranq was never a Revolver replacement. The ::leaked coded corroborates this as it has seperate (albeit useless code) relating to it. Instead of a revolver, Spy was presumably meant to have a silenced pistol. Think ::about it, his ragdollspawn sequence has him almost perfectly hold the Pistol's model. Not only that, Spy also has sequences related to Primary weapons. The Revolver is a ::secondary. Take all this evidence as you will. Sandvich Thief (talk) 11:05, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

The concept art bit doesn't matter, it's unrelated to this. The tranq thing was just an example, just because it got replaced doesn't mean it was a placeholder. I still don't see enough evidence, all I see is that Scout once had an SMG and then it was switched to the Nail gun.
GrampaSwood (talk) 11:54, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

More sound requests

Moved to here.
GrampaSwood (talk) 09:23, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Chemistry Set demonstration

Hello there.
I've seen that you've reserved video demonstration for Chemistry Set. If you're still interested in making it, I can provide Foppish Physician Strangifier Chem Set and all required items including strange for input. For free, just send me completed item back when you've done.
What do you think?
Irvitzer (talk) 00:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

That's very nice of you, but I have already gotten a professor speks one. I plan to do it at the same time as the Upgrade to Premium demonstration. If the speks one won't be accepted I could use a 2nd one though. Thank you for the offer, though.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:41, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Alright, no problem.
Irvitzer (talk) 21:10, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

About Template:List of skyboxes

sky_day01_01 is one of the skyboxes used in Half-Life 2, Team Fortress 2, Counter-Strike: Source, Source SDK and is called from the hl2 folder. --Naomi2319 (talk) 23:46, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

But the Half-Life 2 map it's used in is irrelevant to this wiki.
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:03, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Cap your item limit

"Literally no one says "cap" when talking about the max drop system items."

FWIW, the tfwiki literally says 'weekly item cap'. (Here too, as tagged by the blog.)

Literally, Valve said 'cap' when talking about the max drop system items, although possibly in response to the Community usage.

Websters:

5: to prevent from growing or spreading : set an upper limit on : cap toilet paper prices

google team fortress 2 "item cap".

Admittedly, the usage fell off after 2015; but, maybe not.

Try

• The 'weekly item cap' or other time limit of item obtained from the item drop system.

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 23:46, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

We've already had a talk about this in the IRC channel, my reasoning was that "cap" could mean any max (Maximum amount of medals you can distribute, maximum items you can have in your inventory) and I have personally never seen it used. Lagg was the one who argued for keeping it and because he has been in the community longer he has seen it used longer. So, if you want to undo it, it's fine by me. I just haven't seen it used personally so it didn't make sense to me.
GrampaSwood (talk) 09:28, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Various players/editors are exposed to different subcultures of the game, so personal experience is not the only rubric to apply. Thus, glossaries and disambies can serve both novice and expert players (you proved the latter). "Cap" in this sense seemed to come from the Community and Valve picked it up. If cap was much used in this drop limit sense unadorned with the words "daily", "weekly", and "item", it is impractical to verify. It may not matter any more, but we haven't made a practice of removing obsolete terms from glossaries and disambies as they are found still to be found in searches of discussion archives. It is a (more or less) key game mechanic and is adequately covered in the Idling page. Certainly, much less relevant terms can be found living long, happy lives hidden in disambies. If added back it should be in the form I suggested above. M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 01:59, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Rip and tear, until it is done

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"Linked already"

Hi, Swood.

I saw you reverted some edits on the articles for the Bozo's Brogues, Bountiful Bow‎‎, and Candyman's Cap with the reason "Linked already". However, what about articles of items that are variants of other items, like robotic and zombie versions, which both mention "it is a X version of Y" in the desctipion and have a link to the original item in See also?

Just a little food for thought.

Cheers. - BrazilianNut (talk) 12:11, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

I personally haven't seen those yet, I know there has been a conversation on what should and shouldn't be in the See also section. I personally thought it didn't fit, and if it does fit, someone like you would've probably undone the edit with a proper reasoning. Feel free to undo it if it should be there. I would remove the See also links for those items if it's mentioned in the article already.
GrampaSwood (talk) 12:53, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Creators.tf response

I thank you for the suggestion. However, its appears ANOTHER user named 404NUFF already fixed up the page I created and made it viable so..no point, right? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by GenericTF2er (talk) • (contribs) 06:16 CEST 29/3/2020

I'd say there's still a point. Right now it's just a few sentences which still doesn't qualify as an article, imo at least. I'd still suggest moving the page to your own user domain. Also please sign your comments using ~~~~
GrampaSwood (talk) 07:47, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Fat man's Field Cap identification

I'm failing to understand your logic, why are historical facts not enough? the hat itself is literally introduced in 1988, as you can see in official soviet rulebook for military personnel to properly wear uniforms;

1969 version; http://www.vedomstva-uniforma.ru/forma1969/1969.html

1973 version; http://www.vedomstva-uniforma.ru/forma1973/1973.html

1988 version; http://www.vedomstva-uniforma.ru/forma1988/1988.html

M69 was never referred as 'Afghanka', and there was no field cap for that uniform, only a sidecap. even if Svdl says it's based on obr69 or obr73, it's him who's misinformed. though i doubt it since he named his item set 'Air Defense', referencing it's indeed based on VDV paratroopers from Soviet-Afghan War period. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by SovietTriumph (talk) • (contribs) 05:55 CEST, 2 April 2020

First of all, sign your comments using ~~~~. Second of all, it's still speculation because even if it looks like it's based off of something it might not be. This is simply how it works for everything. A source from the maker is enough to prove it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 08:21, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Speculation means there's other possibilities. that hat ingame IS 100% identical to obr88 hat, every stiches and details match. i know some hats with irl counterparts went some major changes to fit into TF2's artstyle, but this isn't one of it. its design is unique, there is no copy of this hat made by another country. i can't see why you're needing item maker's confirmation when everything is so clear.

SovietTriumph (talk) 18:05, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Because the creator may draw the concept from scratch and somehow it's similar to it. Confirmation from the creator is the thing to prove that he did that based on somethings else or not. Rikka Takanashi (talk) • (contributions) 01:47, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

"If an item can be cited, however, it should be" You will find me more generous on the subject. Yes, it is possible to draw a random hat and have it closely match a historic icon, but not reasonably possible. Also, yes, an email from the modeler would be appropriate if posible, as the guide says. But what if the modeler is mistaken. Suppose, I am speculating here, the modeler is mistaken in good faith claiming that their model is '69 version and Valve accepted it on that basis, when in fact the model is '88 and therefore out of period for the game. (In that situation, there is both factuality and notability in the Trivia.)

If there is something that can bring a modicum of virtue to a game wiki, it is raising attention to histroy represented by the items we play with. Here I have been prompted to know there is such a thing as the VDV, I would much rather have a link in either the Lead or the Trivia to the history of the specific model, because my search only finds today's uniform. It would seem strange that Valve would approve it if it was not a 1970s or earlier historic artifact. Part of the maker's business model of the model is that it is a historical reference. Knowledgable members of the community have recognized it as VDV as a purchase point. Unknowning members are edified by the OP's contribution.

How do we know the fairy wings are in reference to that Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna!?!? There were at least two different Grand Duchesses of that name at that time! How could this happen! Oh, this is bad. We must get a letter from Valve!

M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 03:13, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@GrampaSwood: Soviet Airborne Divisions naturally deployed with antiaircraft units (with the very model that Heavy carries in the Workshop), just as US airborne divisions deployed with anti-aircraft battalions. M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 05:40, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@SovietTriuph: The fundamental issue with the reversion has nothing to do with whether you are correct about the model. There is a standard applied here that we don't see a reference to reasonable evidence that the modeler had any particular hat in mind, whether it is '69 or '88, airborne or coastguard is immaterial to that concern. Personally, rather than reversion, I prefer more thorough citation. M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 05:43, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I think newly added trivia should always be sourced, regardless of how obvious it may seem (One example is the Titanic reference you, Mikado, saw on Cursed Cove which turned out to not be a Titanic reference). This should be the standard, otherwise it is speculation because there is no source on it.
GrampaSwood (talk) 08:50, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ User:GrampaSwood: “(One example is the Titanic reference you, Mikado, saw on Cursed Cove …)”
I recall a conversation, wherein I defended the Trivia, but I did not post the Trivia.

• BrazilianNut added the skeleton Ttrivia here.

• GrampaSwood removed the skeleton Trivia here.

• Above, GrampaSwood provided a clip of a single chat message from the Cursed Cove contributor EmNudge, to wit, “there is a mistake on the cursed cove wiki, the first Trivia fact is incorrect … clever, but incorrect”

I have some recollection of more of a conversation, but I cannot find it. IIRC, my argument was that the positioning of the skeletons was curious at best, but definitely suggestive of something, if not the scene in Titanic (but yes, it could be something else). Attributed to EmNudge was that those skeletons were nothing more than an accidental residue of some mechanic intended for the map, but was completely removed for causing too many game running problems, except for those skeletons just lying there, meaning absolutely nothing.

As for documentation of references and/or bases of items, I have had many thoughts over the days.

I acknowledge that Trivia stating that the creator had a specific model risks some decree of speculation. I get that it is preferred/acceptable to have a statement from the creator, say an email or Workshop statement. However,

• generally, what is said in the Workshop is erzat for the wiki, isn’t it?
• an email? that’s not an official Valve publication.
• and it is potentially possible, if rare, for the creator to be mistaken about the identification of the basis for their model.

I tend to favor placing identification of the basis in the lead, where it is acceptable to place obvious descriptions, like "a hat shaped like a large yellow banana" for the Potassium Bonnett, but the only "proof" we have of that (that it is indeed supposed to be a large yellow banana, since our eyes can be fooled and our memories mistaken) is statements in the Workshop, which, ironically, are generally discounted in other cases. We say, '"Mannanas" is a portmanteau of "Mann" and "bananas"'. Is that not at least a small sliver of speculation? On the brand emblem, the name is in two words "Mann" and "Nanas"; and nanas is a Malay word for pineapple. Surely, Valve meant bananas, not pineapple, right? That can’t possibly be speculation? Then, why is there a pineapple in Poopy Joe’s bugle!?!?

As to the identity of the Fat Man’s Field Cap:

• It has some resemblance to one type of WWII Soviet field cap
• Maybe a USSR Soviet Army Afghan Hat?
• Maybe this Afganka, Soviet Cap, Russian M69?
• The set was excitedly popular with many users that recognized the specific models (or maybe assumed they did)

Maybe real expert is needed to properly identify the cap. All of that said, I really think that the Lead should at the very least say "Soviet-era military field cap". M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 21:52, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm having a swoody-doody good time

I hereby declare GrampaSwood as the greatest swood who has ever lived -RJ 18:16, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, noticed you reverted my edit on Doppler for mentioning the author twice. However, most other maps do this same thing (i.e Oxidize,Derelict,Hideout). Should these be reverted? I am a little confused, thanks! InfernalShroom (Talk) 15:38, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but only the mentions of who made the map. On some of those pages the same people are credited for their mission making as well, leave those links.
GrampaSwood (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Mikado282 kills me on easter weekend and resurrects me, thus making me wiki Jesus

And that makes Mikado282 what?

"The reports of your death are greatly exaggerated."

Still,

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M I K A D O 282 ⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ ⊙⊙ (talk) (Help Wanted!) 14:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks...

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Thank you :D
GrampaSwood (talk) 10:27, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Swood is wiki mod now! Party time!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats, well deserved :) FanCyy (talk) 09:57, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

you're stuff now :o VasyaTheWizard ^{(talk) • (contributions)} 09:59, 8 July 2020 (UTC)